Forum for ex-members of Revival Churches
Revival_Centres_Discussion_Forums > Reviving from Revival > The Ex-Christian Chatroom Go to subcategory:
Author Content
Ex_Member
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Date Posted:02/12/2010 8:51 AMCopy HTML

While people about which particular interpretation of their god-myth is correct, NASA has found another (non-related) life-form.Some background:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article7040864.eceAll life on Earth contains phosphorus as an essential building block in every cell - it is the backbone of DNA and is the 'P' in the ATP molecule used by cells in energy transfer required for cell division and other cell functions.Now they've found a form of life that uses arsenic rather than phosphorus.This means that abiogenesis happened at least twice on this planet. And yes, in terms of the abiogenesis discussion, this is as big as finding life on another planet.So was this god's practice shot? Did he make 99.9999% of life to use phosphorus and .0001% something completely different? Or perhaps the 'god of the gaps' just lost another gap?
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 8:53 AMCopy HTML

oops, please excuse the formatting in the above post...
prezy Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • Rank:Poster Venti II
  • Score:7160
  • Posts:343
  • From:Scotland
  • Register:06/02/2007 11:02 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 9:53 AMCopy HTML

You have me convinced, I wont be going to Church again thats for sure.
I found a small piece of molten aluminium out the bush the other day. Aluminium is the building block
of aircraft. I have no doubt there was an aircraft factory there at some point in time, which also proves
God is a myth.
¡uıɐƃɐ ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ƃuıʎnq ɹǝʌǝu
Talmid Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • Rank:Regular Rookier
  • Score:5980
  • Posts:293
  • From:Australia
  • Register:21/04/2008 10:04 PM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 10:00 AMCopy HTML

Is there something more than this article that you're aware of? To quote the article:

"In Mono Lake there are micro-organisms that live with arsenic. But they don’t incorporate it into their biology"

or to quote from http://www.geekosystem.com/nasa-press-conference-arsenic/

"Such organisms may even persist on Earth today, undetected, in unusual niches."
The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 11:40 AMCopy HTML

Talmid, these guys seem to have broken the media embargo:


The point is that we have two distinctly different types of life-form on Earth. This leaves creationists with the following possibilities:

1. God created phosphorus-based life (99.9999% of life) and also separately created an incompatible (ie. chemically inconsistent) arsenic-based life (0.0001% of life), or
2. Life was not created by God.

There is no middle ground here - either God had a couple of goes at it, or the scientists have it right. If it is the former, then this requires some ideological vigour from the theologians.

IMO this is a Galileo-esque moment in the history of interaction between religion and science.
MothandRust Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:41380
  • Posts:1877
  • From:Australia
  • Register:27/02/2004 11:21 PM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 12:26 PMCopy HTML

 IMO... I'm not sure why people type that. Of course it's your opinion. You typed it!

Anyway, kinda interesting, but you'd always have to assume that God did a whole of experimenting when it came to life. There's something weird crawling under every rock in every environment, and has been for a long time. I mean, I've still got to ask wtf  was up with the dinosaurs etc.

37 thousand different species of spider and that's just one class of arachnid, and there's five million different species... which is only one percent of all species that ever existed. 99% of all the species that ever existed are now extinct... well, so says Ricky Gervais in this 'timely' piece of stand-up comedy just released this week.

BEWARE... A lot of swearing and laughing at people who believe in the literal version of Noah's Ark... and bible believers in general.
[LINK SiteName=Mothrust: Movies and Modern Myth Target=_blank]http://aintchristian.blogspot.com.au/[/LINK] Be nice, for everyone that you meet is fighting a harder battle - Anita Roddick
Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 1:19 PMCopy HTML

Guest,

An observation: your capacity for theological reasoning is clearly worse than your capacity for logical reasoning, which is clearly worse than your capacity for scientific reasoning. I really don't know what you think your argument proves, other than to demonstrate: (1) the fact that God apparently loves diversity (which is a 'no brainer' in my book); and (2) that he created life suitable for each respective environment in which it is found (again, a 'no brainer' in my book). Perhaps you'd be so kind as to spell out for me why you believe this apparently latest of NASA discoveries disproves God. After all, when you get right down to it (so far as I'm aware) 100% life on earth is carbon based. 100%? Using what passes for logic in your argument, I guess this 'proves' that God did create life after all.

Goose.

Ian
email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 6:41 PMCopy HTML



Hi Ian, Could you put your theological cap for a moment please... Did Aaron actually do the sacrificial slaughter on the day of Atonement in the Holy Place ??  Just been reading Spurgeon's website ...

Blessings

Eric

Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 7:16 PMCopy HTML

Reply to Guest



Hi Ian, Could you put your theological cap for a moment please... Did Aaron actually do the sacrificial slaughter on the day of Atonement in the Holy Place ??  Just been reading Spurgeon's website ...

Blessings

Eric


Ahh there you go ... Spurgeon is quoting from the King James in Lev 16:3 and subsequently has misread the text like all of us.. Should have checked the Hebrew verse first... The KJ states "the holy place" with "place" in typical KJ italics but in comparing with the NIV - "the sanctuary area" which the Hebrew BHS affirms.

sorry to bother you Ian.. I'm the goose

blessings

Eric
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 8:52 PMCopy HTML

"Goose". Thanks Ian. Yet again proving the reason for this forum's limited capacity for un-blinkered conversation. Arrogant prick. See, I can name-call too.

I never stated it disproves God. Where's your comprehension skills let alone your supernatural command of logic? My implication is that it makes the creation hypothesis rather more awkward to maintain and lends significant weight to the hypothesis of abiogenesis. Abiogenesis suggests that if there is more than one chemical pathway to life, then we should find it. We have.

Your mention of carbon is irrelevant to the discussion.
Talmid Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • Rank:Regular Rookier
  • Score:5980
  • Posts:293
  • From:Australia
  • Register:21/04/2008 10:04 PM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 9:16 PMCopy HTML

"The point is that we have two distinctly different types of life-form on Earth."

Or perhaps not. From a quick Google search ...

Now I haven't read the journal article itself, but the following articles indicate that the GFAJ-1 is from the same evolutionary path as you and me:

"This organism has dual capability," said researcher Paul Davies, a cosmologist, astrobiologist and theoretical physicist at Arizona State University. "It can grow with either phosphorous or arsenic. That makes it very peculiar, though it falls short of being some form of truly 'alien' life belonging to a different tree of life with a separate origin. However, GFAJ-1 may be a pointer to even weirder organisms. The holy grail would be a microbe that contained no phosphorus at all."

from
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/bacteria-eats-arsenic-alien-life-101202.html

and

"1) this is not a new life form. this microbe is able to incorporate arsenic into it’s DNA -but it evolved from an organism with phosphate-backbone DNA. WE ARE RELATED TO THIS GUY

2) it’s not clear whether it even uses arsenic in its DNA/proteins in its natural habitat. More like we trained it to use arsenic. It was grown in liquid including arsenic in the lab, which would normally kill any other cell. But this guy was able to survive, and then when the scientists gradually diluted out the phosphate (normal DNA backbone), it incorporated arsenic. So – we know that it CAN use arsenic, whether it does naturally is unclear"

from
http://www.geekosystem.com/nasa-press-conference-arsenic/

Having said that, given that you've verballed Ian re what your announcement shows, and that you've failed to see the logical errors he pointed out, I don't think there's much point me contributing much further.

Having said that I must pick up on your assertion: "Abiogenesis suggests that if there is more than one chemical pathway to life, then we should find it." Actually: (1) supernatural intervention doesn't preclude there being more than one chemical pathway to life (As Ian pointed out); and (2) abiogenesis refers to life spontaneously arising from non-life, and we haven't yet found that happening in front of our eyes. 
The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
prezy Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • Rank:Poster Venti II
  • Score:7160
  • Posts:343
  • From:Scotland
  • Register:06/02/2007 11:02 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 9:40 PMCopy HTML

Thanks Talmid for your clear summary, you saved me a lot of Googling.
¡uıɐƃɐ ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ƃuıʎnq ɹǝʌǝu
Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:02/12/2010 10:28 PMCopy HTML

Good morning, Guest

"Goose". Thanks Ian. Yet again proving the reason for this forum's limited capacity for un-blinkered conversation. Arrogant prick. See, I can name-call too. Of course you can. But let's see if you can marshall a robust and defensible argument to support your contentions; there's the 'real' test of one's capacities for intelligent conversation (I'll be honest, to date I'm thoroughly underwhelmed).

I never stated it disproves God. Where's your comprehension skills let alone your supernatural command of logic? Would you like for me to 'spell out' the train of logic from statement, through inference, to conclusion? Or would you rather have a 'crack' at it, yourself, first? My implication is that it makes the creation hypothesis rather more awkward to maintain and lends significant weight to the hypothesis of abiogenesis. Abiogenesis suggests that if there is more than one chemical pathway to life, then we should find it. We have. And how does the latest discovery make the biblical creation hypothesis 'more awkward?' For example, can you show me where in Scripture God 'spelled out' the mechanics of 'how' he created life? Can you demonstrate for me where the Bible states that all creatures on earth must make use of one compound or another as a precondition for sustaining life?

Your mention of carbon is irrelevant to the discussion. Is it? You've harped on about 99.99% of life being phosphorous-based, and 0.01% being arsenic-based. They are neither, 100.00% of life on earth is carbon-based. The chemical 'soup' required to sustain life is different to the chemical constitution of the life itself.

Ian
email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:04/12/2010 5:56 AMCopy HTML

 As Shakespeare wrote, "Hell is empty.  All the Devils are here."  He was right.  All the Devils are here


http://dailybail.com/home/et-tu-motorhead-motorhead-beats-up-banksters-in-christmas-si.html

It's not the gods of the devils that we should fear. It's the men that control the world that are you masters
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:05/12/2010 4:02 AMCopy HTML

I have to agree with Ian
There are far to many people alive today and we should help make the earth our first priority.

Here is a tube that I think will back up your case Ian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9IUcps8MfE

To many people and not enough time to save the planet is a thing of the past for those that want to believe in Ian.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:31/12/2010 5:17 AMCopy HTML

 http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24053
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:31/12/2010 5:39 AMCopy HTML

Is this why we can not attack the GRC? Because if we do they will just believe in the lie more?
Is this why we will not want to stand out from the believers? We do not want to be the ONE?
The nail that sticks up?
If we are animals that need to be part of the herd than we will try to be eating the same grass at the same time as the rest or we will be the next to be eaten by the lions? 

Most people are simple followers and will not stand up for the truth.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18704_5-mind-blowing-ways-your-memory-plays-tricks-you.html
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:21/09/2018 12:36 AM

Re:Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...

Date Posted:31/12/2010 6:00 AMCopy HTML

 Guest Number 16....pardon?

Could you make your statement in a form of English that we might understand.
RCI prophesies
Copyright © 2000-2019 Aimoo Free Forum All rights reserved.