http://revival.aimoo.comAimoo CityAimooen-USAimoo http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6711598/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html brolga 2009-11-22 18:04:01.263 Recommended Reading Thanks guys,Wow, how cool is that? Must have a good angel watching over me, hey? http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6711351/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-22 17:14:53.717 Recommended Reading Hi, Ralph.Well, if you went and ordered Bob Mounce's NICNT volume on Revelation then you've done well! It's the volume that I recommend to non-Greek capable Christians, as being  the "best" general purpose commentary on the Apocalypse currently in print.Blessings,Ian http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6711082/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html brolga 2009-11-22 15:41:59.597 Recommended Reading Eric, Tell you what Ralph !! It is frustrating submitting to a lecturer who hasn't got a handle at all on some Greek... in such events, I simply bite my tongue. My last lecturer didn't have the Greek fonting to be able to read my exegesis. And if Ian were to say that 98% of Pente leaders don't http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6710928/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html Metanoian 2009-11-22 14:56:48.863 Recommended Reading Reply to brolga Eric, Ha, you had me going there for minute until I saw your PS. I previously did have a look at a preview of it, didn't purchase it as yet.Ian, thanks, yes might be able to get handle on it someday, 'round about 100 years from now.lol.I have received  the books Walton http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6710830/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html brolga 2009-11-22 14:34:45.613 Recommended Reading Eric, Ha, you had me going there for minute until I saw your PS. I previously did have a look at a preview of it, didn't purchase it as yet.Ian, thanks, yes might be able to get handle on it someday, 'round about 100 years from now.lol.I have received  the books Walton's, "Lost world http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6710331/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-22 12:58:30.02 Recommended Reading Hi, Ralph.Beale's commentary is very good, but it's well beyond the scope of most untrained Christians. It requires a fairly comprehensive skill set to understand (not the least of which is a developed capacity in Greek).Blessings,Ian http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6709038/TopicID-1658704/GoToTopic.html Metanoian 2009-11-22 10:43:59.583 Recommended Reading Reply to brolga Ian,Amazon online is my only convenience to aquire books at the moment, as this book cost is very small amount for cost of shipping, I would like to order perhaps something on Revelation. Can you recommend something on Revelation to build the order? thanks.Ralph Fww, I have alwa http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6691210/TopicID-1025033/GoToTopic.html cultevasion 2009-11-20 18:28:05.69 Revival Centres International (RCI)  Matthew Ch 525Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee (Dukers, A. Walker, S. Longfield & V. Samoilenko) to the judge (Supreme Court), and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. & http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6690972/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-20 17:11:48.567 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Metanoin,They will supply a yarmulke for you at the Synagogue. On the other subject, I have never heard of a "bris" being performed before entry is permitted.John http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6690126/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Talmid 2009-11-20 14:14:09.19 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Eric,Ian said you were located in/near Brisabane. A quick google search found the following synagogues in your vicinity. When I was a kid I was told that I would be welcome visiting sevices ar the local progressive synagogue  if I simply wore any hat.http://www.mavensearch.com/synagogues/C3354Y http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6690095/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Metanoian 2009-11-20 14:09:42.973 Revival Fellowships (RF) Reply to Galien Does anyone know why some of yesterdays posts are missing? I suspect the clever moddy deleted all the rubbish ones. And a good job too Galien blessingsM http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6690048/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Metanoian 2009-11-20 14:00:00.067 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Reply to Fremde Thanks for your reply Eric,Your profile shows you as being in Alabama. The only thing I know about Alabama is that it's easy to take the ivory from Alabama Elephants because their "Tuskareloosa". In my youth I used to work for International Harvester in Melbourne and one of my bosses http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6688892/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html Galien 2009-11-20 11:11:01.207 Revival Fellowships (RF) Fremde,I was amused at your apt "push God around" metaphor. It was common in the sub Revival groups I had fellowshipped with, to extend that further (especially for healing) to teaching that there was a formula laid down and God must obey it, because he cannot lie and is always true to His Word.Yes, http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6688594/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-20 10:25:05.44 Revival Fellowships (RF) Galien,I was amused at your apt "push God around" metaphor. It was common in the sub Revival groups I had fellowshipped with, to extend that further (especially for healing) to teaching that there was a formula laid down and God must obey it, because he cannot lie and is always true to His Word. Emo http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6687197/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html Galien 2009-11-20 07:22:49.52 Revival Fellowships (RF) RDP Very interesting, this reminds me of something HG said in the chatbox a while back about being concerned that she didn't feel like she automatically had enough love for others and was wondering whether this made her unchristian. So again, faith is like love then - an  attribute to be&n http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6686775/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-20 06:32:34.94 Revival Fellowships (RF) Good morning, RDP.Scripture has quite a bit to say on the subject of faith (and faithfulness), so I'm somewhat loathe to be providing a list of "proof-texts". I'm all too conscious of the fact that there are a range of Hebrew and Greek words that intersects with the theme, but which aren't necessari http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6686531/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-20 06:03:03.94 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Good morning Ian,Many thanks. That's good news. How odd. The Aimoo profile shows Alabama.John http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6686312/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-20 05:39:19.38 Revival Fellowships (RF) Good morning, STE.Indeed. The published literature on this subject is extensive enough, and is more than adequate for those who aren't so lazy as to eschew a little reading in order to become acquainted with the broad contours of the debate. I've not read the book you referred us to, but I would lik http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6686066/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-20 04:59:57.41 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Good morning, John.Well, the last time that I checked, Brisbane was in the Australian state of Queensland, not the American state of Alabama Blessings,Ian http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6681705/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-19 21:17:43.363 Revival Fellowships (RF) I knew I shouldn't have left that umlaut off. Now the German language police have me under surveillance! http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6681683/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-19 21:14:56.94 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Thanks for your reply Eric,Your profile shows you as being in Alabama. The only thing I know about Alabama is that it's easy to take the ivory from Alabama Elephants because their "Tuskareloosa". In my youth I used to work for International Harvester in Melbourne and one of my bosses was from Alabam http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6679845/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Galien 2009-11-19 16:03:44.613 Revival Fellowships (RF) Does anyone know why some of yesterdays posts are missing? I suspect the clever moddy deleted all the rubbish ones. And a good job too http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6679565/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html SintaxError 2009-11-19 15:03:49.223 Revival Fellowships (RF)  Hi All,A very good book which addresses the topics of God and evolution (amongst others) is John Lennox's "God's Undertaker: Has Science Buried God?" available from Koorong for $9 and is an excellent investment to all who are interested in the science/religion debates. You can easily read it i http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6679461/TopicID-1660241/GoToTopic.html Metanoian 2009-11-19 14:44:34.097 STUFF & NONSENSE - Joke, Games, Links, Interests and off topic Reply to Fremde Metanoian,I was born and raised in Caulfield, Victoria, which, post war was a strong Roman Catholic suburb, But by the time I finished High School (dropped out really) about a third of Caulfield High School was Jewish. Caulfield these days is very Jewish. In my last year my best frie http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6678801/TopicID-1668018/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-19 13:06:49.05 Freedom Forum Tim,First, I'm glad that you found "PleaseConsider" someways useful. Drew and I created the site with that very hope in mind. Second, feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss any of the issues or concerns that you raised, above. My email address appears in the footer to each of my posts.Bles http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6678739/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html MothandRust 2009-11-19 12:59:01.537 Revival Fellowships (RF) Hey Riddler, I can relate... omg, I just spent too much time that I don't have writing a spiel about evolution and crap, and then lost it all. sigh at that. So now to bullet points instead.- I spent a couple of years venting into a blog about why relgion sucks and god doesn't exist and yadda yadda, http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6678701/TopicID-1668018/GoToTopic.html spitchips 2009-11-19 12:52:27.607 Freedom Forum Hello GabbyioI relate a lot to your post. I, too, just stayed in RF knowing I was unhappy and not wanting to be there. It became more and more of a chore to turn up at anything.Good on you for jumping ship .... it feels weird, ah? Working without a net, what if I run into someone, etc. It is a year http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-0/TopicID-1668018/GoToTopic.html gabbyio 2009-11-19 12:08:40.687 Freedom Forum The painful process of leaving the RF was a long and drawn out one. This was partly due to the fact that I never actually thought I would. There were problems I could see all around me, there were things that didn't sit right, but the thought of breaking peoples hearts was not an option. I can admit http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6677461/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html Guest 2009-11-19 10:11:38.793 Revival Fellowships (RF) Hey Ian and anyone else reading,RE:Revivalists (and Pentes) often proclaim that healing results from an act of faith: no healing = inadequate/insufficient faith. Such a position is simplistic at the very least, and completely naive, insofar that (a) the responsibility f http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6677436/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Talmid 2009-11-19 10:08:47.61 Revival Fellowships (RF) Hi RiddlerI actually have a bachelor's degree in a field of applied biology, so guess what I've had to come to grips with from a scientific perspective! And might I suggest that unless you've asked the other correspondents here you have no idea how much time *they've* spent looking into evoluti http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6677219/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-19 09:37:30.797 Revival Fellowships (RF) Good afternoon, all.There are several issues relating to the current discussion that I find amusing and ironic. To begin with, we have a couple of former Revivalists who, one imagines, were once equally as passionate for the Revivalist cause as they now appear to be for the evolutionist cause! They http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6677061/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Riddler2 2009-11-19 09:14:28.543 Revival Fellowships (RF) I am forming a response actually. I find it funny that, despite the overwhelming evidence for evolution, you guys still pick one or two anomalies, ignore everything else, and act like that is sufficient enough. Might I suggest that you spend at least half the time you spend studying your 2000 year o http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6676735/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Talmid 2009-11-19 08:38:09.763 Revival Fellowships (RF) Yo Riddler,Given that you've not responded to the comments of Fremde or myself and continue to address Ian, I must say that the evidence that you're wanting to "bail up" Ian rather than discuss issues is becoming quite compelling if not yet overwhelming. If that *is* the case mig http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6676339/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Riddler2 2009-11-19 07:43:34.577 Revival Fellowships (RF) Ian,Once again you have given a series of non-answers that, whilst on the surface appear to be compelling, are actually just banal christian rhetoric. You claim that fossil records of transitional species do not provide enough evidence to suggest that we evolved over time, what exactly do these foss http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6676225/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-19 07:24:43.717 Revival Fellowships (RF) Glossy,I notice you conveniently side stepped an supposition or a theory, either will do, as to the evolutionary steps that might have eventuated in the hummingbird or the woodpecker. On the other hand perhaps your "Ken-Ham-isms" was your reply.No I do not hold to Ken's theories, but he does pose a http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6675546/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-19 06:28:52.873 Revival Fellowships (RF) Good morning, "Gloss".Appearance of design is not proof of design. Does the sun orbit the Earth? Who is responsible for the "bad design"?I could just as easily suggest to you that the appearance of "transitional forms" is not proof of "transitional forms". But what, precisely, constitutes "bad desig http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6670982/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html glossolalia 2009-11-18 22:14:39.89 Revival Fellowships (RF) Fremde, Appearance of design is not proof of design. Does the sun orbit the Earth? Who is responsible for the "bad design"?By plucking out a few paleontological Ken-Ham-isms you are overlooking comparative anatomy, DNA sequencing, embryonic development, island and continental biogeography, geographi http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6670115/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Fremde 2009-11-18 20:21:59.513 Revival Fellowships (RF) Riddler,Now let me get this right, you say you are too lazy to read and delve into theology, but you say that "the evidence for evolution is overwhelming". I take it you have therefore studied paleontology and can tell me the direct link from bird-hip dinosaurs to birds?Perhaps you might like to exp http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6669020/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-18 17:24:12.53 Revival Fellowships (RF) Riddler,Sorry, but I'm not beholden to answering the questions of all and sundry; certainly not those from people who are self-professedly too lazy to do any research for themselves And given that you've stated that you believe me to be more self-righteous and arrogant than the Revivalists, I do wo http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6668910/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html brolga 2009-11-18 17:09:14.7 Revival Fellowships (RF) Now, you've taken my honesty and used it as an excuse to not answer my seemingly simple question. How do you explain the atrocities that occurred in the OT? Your natural evil and created evil theories are pleasant enough, but the issue still remains, your loving God slaughtered millions of innocent http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6667962/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Riddler2 2009-11-18 14:16:45.17 Revival Fellowships (RF) Ian, Now, you've taken my honesty and used it as an excuse to not answer my seemingly simple question. How do you explain the atrocities that occurred in the OT? Your natural evil and created evil theories are pleasant enough, but the issue still remains, your loving God slaughtered millions of inno http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6667288/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-18 12:09:30.857 Revival Fellowships (RF) Hi, RDP.Revivalists (and Pentes) often proclaim that healing results from an act of faith: no healing = inadequate/insufficient faith. Such a position is simplistic at the very least, and completely naive, insofar that (a) the responsibility for the miraculous is transfered from God to human beings; http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-0/TopicID-1667290/GoToTopic.html RevivalDemeritPoints 2009-11-18 11:26:53.967 Revival Fellowships (RF) Hi All,I think the topic of healing is one that needs to be addressed in particular for (but not limited to) all Revivalists, post-Revivalists and Pentecostals. This comes from many years of being told that "healing is the children's bread" in Revival (RCI and RF), then discovering a few months ago, http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6665880/TopicID-1666423/GoToTopic.html D-T-M 2009-11-18 08:26:01.827 Revival Centres International (RCI) I thought that might be the case Ian.Mole http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6665777/TopicID-1666423/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-18 08:11:51.75 Revival Centres International (RCI) Hi, Mole.'Nope', I was discussing Christian baptism, not the un-Christian Revivalist equivalent Blessings,Ian http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6663703/TopicID-1666423/GoToTopic.html D-T-M 2009-11-18 04:19:02.733 Revival Centres International (RCI) Are you talking Revival Centres, Ian?Mole http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6654413/TopicID-1662934/GoToTopic.html Talmid 2009-11-17 07:04:58.903 Revival Fellowships (RF) Ian,Gullible? That's me ... and somewhat naive, but I'm getting wiser. I figured my brief reply might at least benefit observers. http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6654407/TopicID-1532076/GoToTopic.html drmont 2009-11-17 07:04:05.827 Revival Centres International (RCI)  Good riddance, Hume is nothing but an oxygen thief and time burglar!I remember one talk he gave about unicorns........yes that right 'unicorns'. He was suggesting that unicorns didn't really exist and that a bullock side on was often mistaken for a unicorn.........What the!Maybe he will go bac http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-6654241/TopicID-1666423/GoToTopic.html Didaktikon 2009-11-17 06:40:21.14 Revival Centres International (RCI) Hi, Mole.The youngest ever baptism? Naaah. The youngest person that I personally know who was bapstised was but a scant week old Blessings,Ian http://revival.aimoo.com/ReplyID-0/TopicID-1666423/GoToTopic.html D-T-M 2009-11-17 06:29:55.64 Revival Centres International (RCI) The Mole understands that a five and a half year old boy "received" and was baptised at a house meeting recently.Mole