The GRC is a raper of faith. 

Is God in that place?  Who can say?  But I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any posts by God on these boards so far, and I don't expect to see any in the future.  When did you leave the GRC, how did it happen, etc?  Maybe God won't answer your post, but I will.

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Maybe God won't answer your post, but I will.

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Maybe?  Maybe God won't?  I'd say it's a definite. 

Thanks for answering in his stead, but I might do better to email the Vatican.

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The GRC is a raper of faith.Is God in that place? Who can say? But I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any posts by God on these boards so far, and I don't expect to see any in the future. When did you leave the GRC, how did it happen, etc? Maybe God won't answer your post, but I will.

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Yes a Raper of  Faith, and a good way of puting it too!  God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn't He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? The best answer I can come up with is this,  God didn't want a race of robots who did not have a free will.  God had to allow the possibility of evil for us to have a true choice of whether to worship God or not.  If we never had to suffer and experience evil, would we truly know how wonderful Heaven is? God did not create evil, but He allowed it. If He hadn't allowed evil, we would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own free will. The GRC is not going to rob me of the freedom to still make my own choise in things of faith and God.

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we would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own free will.

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Worship Him or be damned in torturous agony for eternity! Sound like we do have to worship out of obligation to some extent (if you believed in the hell concept. Why does God allow suffering... maybe he's just a big meanie.. who loves us.

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God did not create evil

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Huh? Then why does He say he did?

• I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
• Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
• Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)

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Reply to : Anonymouswe would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own free will.WorshipHim or be damned in torturous agony for eternity! Sound like we do have to worship out of obligation to some extent (if you believed in the hell concept. Why does God allow suffering... maybe he's just a big meanie.. who loves us.God did not create evilHuh? Then why does He say he did?I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

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Perhaps a further illustration will help. If I were to ask the average person "does cold exist?" - his/her answer would likely be yes. However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist. Darkness is the absence of light. Similarly, evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.

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Perhaps a further illustration will help. If I were to ask the average person "does cold exist?" - his/her answer would likely be yes. However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist. Darkness is the absence of light. Similarly, evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.

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Hey, not fair... that's a cut and paste from -  http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html - which is fine, but it'd be more interesting to read your thoughts, chew them over, spit em out, let us look at it and ...eww sound a bit wrong. 

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

Evil could be described as an action. In Isaiah it says that God created that action...??? He the Lord DOES all these things. 'Does' is a verb, therefore logically EVIL could be defined as an action. Yep, by default if he creates a universe which puts to use physical and constant laws then it has to balance out with the creation of shadows amongst the light and evil where there is good. By default He creates the valleys between the mountains. Is a valley an absence of a mountain?

Darkness exists... I see it in the petrol prices. Zero is the abscence of a number but is integral to the whole numerical system. He made this system and he's responsible for it. Death has been overcome, yet we're all dropping like flies so it's not gonna work out in this world. We'll have to let Mario go through his lives, get a cheat code and see how it unravels on the next level. I'm sure the graphics will be awesome, unless the plug simply gets unplugged.

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God has a plan for your life Bones, you and all the people that post on this board will also be in my prayers.

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Please excuse me for the following ramble f.w.e, I don't mean to offend you by any of the following thoughts because you probably have the best intentions but have triggered me in a thread which has a provoking topic. Fair game... it is not a personal attack but rather a candid observation in line with the conversation thus far. As I said you're intentions are probably good, albeit naive and incredible pretentious. Let me explain:

That God has a plan... where are you getting that from? Does every person have a plan? What about the millions of people who starve to death before puberty? You presume too much. I remember the 'steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord', but what if one is not good? Ha, "there is none good", sayeth the Lord. The biggest fallacy of all is that we should take our hands off the wheel because 'God has a plan'. Don't fall into the trap of thinking everything will be alright. Life is not some episode of the Brady Bunch where everything gets resolved at the end and while the characters await the next dilemna. Take life into your own hands people and make your own plans before you realise how many years you've wasted waiting for the plan to come to fruition. As you look back on life you can see events that lead to a fate... in hindsight, everything looks like it was planned.

And what of the people who you now put in your prayers? Are their lives in such imminent danger that you must petition them to God because they have strayed from the unquestionable truth you hold the keys to? Where God would have previously not had a plan for, they're now possibly going to get into a favourable future arrangement because you give them a thought or two while you lift your holy hands towards the mysterious father of heaven and earth?

Hey, It's not that I'm trying to reason out God with a few hundred keystrokes... we're just exploring the unthinkable possibility that God isn't completely in control of this random mess we call existance. Keep praying for the poor wretches who follow their natural god-given instinct to question reality - it can't hurt... unfortunately I wonder if it will actually help.

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All the things YOU (God) could have done to help ALL those who (supposedly) worshipped YOU and did what YOU asked them to do,YOU do not evenmeasure up to your OWN word.This falacy of GOD..... What a joke YOU are in my eyes, and before anyone jumps to HIS defence, i am speaking to HIM (as i did for 18yrs in the GRC and what did i get....nothing) If he wants to post something in here thats fine, i would prefer a face to face visit though.Come and explain YOURSELF,YOU know where i live. But i do not expect a visit unfortunately, maybe he is on a journey somewhere else, just like the Baal whorshippers GOD was for them when they really needed him.Bones

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There is a lot of hurt in the world; there is no denying that al all.  However I believe in the power of prayer, I have seen it work first hand, I have seen people cured of cancer before my eyes, I believe strongly in prayer and I will pray for all those people who are hurting and that includes people that write on this message board.

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There is a lot of hurt in the world; there is no denying that al all.However I believe in the power of prayer, I have seen it work first hand, I have seen people cured of cancer before my eyes, I believe strongly in prayer and I will pray for all those people who are hurting and that includes people that write on this message board.

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I've always heard of other people and the answers to prayer they've seen in their lives... but my wife and I, after 17 years on Revival, and in other churches never saw anything ourselves that made us stand up and say "the power of prayer works!".

I think I should clarify that I am not a member and have never been a member of GRC, But I am a member of a large Baptist church in ffice:smarttags" />Geelong.

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I think I should clarify that I am not a member and have never been a member of GRC, But I am a member of a large Baptist church in Geelong.

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Thanks for clarifying that fwe. Welcome to the board... You'll probably notice that there are people of many beliefs here, christians, non-christians, Ex-revivalists, me... It's good you're in a place of belief that you're happy to be in, and it's great that you've seen cancer healed in front of your eyes. That'd be an interesting sight I'm sure. I was in a large Baptist church last year after leaving Revival. Man, I got sick of the happy happy joy joy stuff every Sunday morning, but that's just me.

If Noel Hollins could be made accountable by law for the claims he makes to solicit new members into the GRC Pty Ltd, then he would be jailed for life without parole.  The Bible does speak of signs following believers, which include "they shall laying hands on the sick".  Noel believes he is the only Apostle of God on earth with a pure ministry, and yet several times laying hands on Eunice achieved nothing.  If he had taken her to hospital when he should have, then by the hands of the medical profession she may have been delivered.  Noel was stuck between a rock and a hard place.  He would find it difficult to preach against the Medical Profession who saved his wife if she had gone to hospital.  To accept her early death was an easier way out for him, and go for the (as Lemons said) "well they've made it to a better place" option.  You would think Noel would do anything to save her???  Peter Millane told me that he and his wife went to visit Eunice a couple of weeks before she died.  Upon arrival they were met in the driveway with the hysterical Tony Addison, shouting "SHE IS HEALED, SHE IS HEALED!!!!!"  The Millane's were stunned by Tony Addison's reception and asked if they could see Eunice.  Tony Addison wouldn't allow them entry into the house; so obviously there was NO SIGNS of any healing.  As Peter Millane disappointedly said; "she died two weeks later".  Tony Addison's claim of a miraculous healing was all lies.  Noel Hollins stated at the following meeting; "She was healed, even though the healing was not manifest in her body". 

I was in the GRC back then and swallowed the lies, hook, line, and sinker.  No one could tell me that I was 'brainwashed' or involved in a cult either, at the time. 

The GRC'ers claim such behaviour (denial) is having faith in God to heal, and by going to medical practitioners' indicates a persons faith in God is weakening.  With all the GRC's fictitious claims and broken promises, the most important thing in the group is to pretend God hears their prayers and healing their body's.  That is why Noel Hollins and Tony Addison do extraordinary things to hide what goes on in their own family.  Noel Hollins has spoken these words from the platform - "There is no such thing as depression".  Noel Hollins claims that various forms of depression are not linked to illness, but rather a "SPIRITUAL PROBLEM".  By making such statements and affecting such doctrines upon individuals, Noel Hollins claims to know more about how to cure people who suffer from illnesses, such as Bipolar. 

I know Tony Addison feels he has to hide stuff which he should not feel embarrassed about.  If he chose to act upon the TRUTH instead of acting out Noel's charade, then other members of his own family would not have to suffer like they do.  Sadly, some of these other family members support this supposed "ministry from God". 

Heyas Rev Rel - Peter Millane and his wife visited the Vancouver Assembly in 1999-2000 (can't remember), and I really enjoyed meeting them; do you know if they are/are not still with the GRC?

I Remain Standing.

Reply To Lemonsinthe store room,

                                                                    This is so sad to read all the experiences we've had in the G.R.C.under N.H.'s teachings and his profound disillusion, under his mask charade as  " Lemons" has pointed out.  Unfortunately we seem to realise a lot of avents that happen in this life destroying  place called G.R.C. in hindsight. Which makes it very hard to except after it all has happened....." DAM YOU NOEL HOLLINS AND YOUR CORRUPT SO CALLED TEACHERS FOR WHAT YOU DO TO INNOCENT SOULS, MAY YOU PAY THE PRICE WHEN THE TIME COMES. How unfeeling can you get. I hope all of you misguiding preachers one day feel THE PAIN YOU ALL HAVE BESTOYED UPON OTHERS IN MANY MANY SITUATIONS.    M.S.

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If Noel Hollinscould bemade accountable by law for the claims he makes to solicit new members into the GRC Pty Ltd, then he would be jailed for life without parole. The Bible does speak of signs following believers, which include "they shall laying hands on the sick". Noel believes he is the only Apostle of God on earth with a pure ministry, and yet several times laying hands on Eunice achieved nothing. If he had taken her to hospital when he should have, then by the hands of the medical profession she may have been delivered. Noelwas stuck between a rock and a hard place. He would find it difficultto preach against the Medical Profession who saved his wife if shehad goneto hospital. To accept her early death was an easier way outfor him, and go for the (as Lemons said)"wel

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Reply To Revival Relief,

                 Well what a great positive message you have put here R.R.   

   If only  the assembly folk new what went on behind closed doors with these so called oversight of this distorted sect. I think they are in total bewilderment when grief happens in their own families. Sad to say they (N.H and Daddy Addy) will continue to be in denial as they see adversity happening right in front of their own noses with disbelief as their own  immediate families suffer. ADVERSITY DOES HAPPEN IN THIS LIFE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT." SAVED OR NOT."

Noel Hollins and Tony Addison read these words. You are human like the rest of us. THINGS do happen in life that cannot be explained. real heart renching stuff  that  one would say " WHY ME" . But will you ever learn you two .You shovernistic PAIR. GET OFF YOUR PERCHES AND PUT YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND WHERE THE REST OF US ARE.Believe me you two your overcomings are yet to come....... WHAT COMES ROUND GOES ROUND....TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED.... But no you pair you wouldn't understand any of real caring would you.

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Reply to : Sad to say they (N.H and Daddy Addy) will continue to be in denial as they see adversity happening right in front of their own noses with disbelief as their own  immediate families suffer.  ADVERSITY DOES HAPPEN IN THIS LIFE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT." SAVED OR NOT."

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Good morning Sunshine.

Yes.....   It appears you know about the 'Renshaw Curse' and the effect it's having on Daddy Addy.

As you said.....  "WHAT GOES ROUND COMES ROUND"  and to the so called  " SAVED OR NOT."

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Reply to : MORNING SUNSHINEReply to :Sad to say they (N.H and Daddy Addy) will continue to be in denial as they see adversity happening right in front of their own noses with disbelief as their own immediate families suffer. ADVERSITY DOES HAPPEN IN THIS LIFE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT." SAVED OR NOT."Good morning Sunshine.Yes.....It appears you knowaboutthe'Renshaw Curse' and the effect it's having on Daddy Addy.As you said....."WHATGOES ROUNDCOMES ROUND"and to the so called " SAVED OR NOT."

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Hi R.R.

     Your  last comment  is becoming a real worry. Hope someone in that  family will wake up quickly and see how disillusioned they all are with " Daddy Addy 's " SO CALLED LEADERSHIP.The doctrines of  that dreadfull man called Noel Hollins.is the hinderance there with  "Daddy Addy"  He just  worships the ground that  N.H. walks on, to the "DETRIMENT"  of his own family. Unfortunately all  his sibblings right down to his grandchildren (these poor  grand children particulary the very young DON'T know any better.) are in a position of total loyalty.THEY don't want to break the bond of the family. I know that the loyalty from Noel Nollins to the ADDISON family is definately not .... RECIPROCATED ....Wake up you younger ones in this family,and be  grown up about what you really want in life, You all are old enough now and have been for a long time to have weaned yourselves from a father who Is a dictator, and really only follows N.H.  AND N.H.  REALLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF YOU. ANYWAY. Look how that man is treating some of you . That's not caring. Look how Noel Hollins treated his own wife. Don't let him DO that to you through your father and (grandfather)  Time on this earth is short enough. WHY WASTE IT. This message to you all, comes from a very caring person who is seeing what is happening.If your father could be just a dad and not a dictator all this need not be said. But he can't be just a dad He doesn't feel secure in himself unless he is CONTROLLING.I hope one day heT.A. WILL WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT HE HAS DONE AND LET GO OF THAT DEPRESSIVE OLD" NODDY NECK " NOEL HOLLINS.

   MIRACLES DO HAPPEN. THIS SCENE WILL NEED A MIRACLE.   I HOPE IT WILL HAPPEN SOON. M.S.

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Reply to : MORNING SUNSHINEReply to :Sad to say they (N.H and Daddy Addy) will continue to be in denial as they see adversity happening right in front of their own noses with disbelief as their own immediate families suffer. ADVERSITY DOES HAPPEN IN THIS LIFE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT." SAVED OR NOT."Good morning Sunshine.Yes.....It appears you knowaboutthe'Renshaw Curse' and the effect it's having on Daddy Addy.As you said....."WHATGOES ROUNDCOMES ROUND"and to the so called " SAVED OR NOT."

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Man! i am so %$#$@%$ angry! at reading  about these poor poeple who have suffered, and hearing about the $#%@  up doctrins of the GRC.

Noal you should be Locked up you arshole!  And YOU PEOPLE WHO SURPORT HIM 100%, ARE NO BETTER!

 Hi Again R.R

             I just had to get back on again,  to say to you Your new loggo "LIFE AFTER THE ZOO" is so appropriate to many of in forum conversations that can fit this resemblance. For a start  " NODDY NECK "or "NODDY NUFFER" as Glad tobeout would say. Maybe we might put him right at the entrance at the Zoo .Melbourne Zoo is the go. Maybe we could put him on show and raise some money. That way you all might get your money back.HAHAHA. The mind boggles. It would be great to see him teathered up nodding away with his long lanky neck.realing to get loose.He would be more useful  doing that  job than what he is doing now.At least we would get a laugh. I can seeH@S, R,B.  scurring to find some appropriate picture to fit this post. GO FOR IT YOU TWO.    M.S.

You speak of ....

" Noddy  Neck "   and  " Noddy  Nuffer "  , but please don't forget      " Noddie Noel's Nodding  Knee "  !   and the more he became stirred up,  the more that leg would swing !  You could always gauge your  "punishment " by how high the leg would go into the air.

Are we being too critical of this  " Long Necked Nodding Giraffe " ? .....   no, I don't think so because it's peoples souls that are at risk under his ministry to which  we are talking of about here . 

Reply to : motmot    OK everyone, lets get the term right as it did take me a split second to think of it, Noel Hollins is the

                                                                                   "  Nodding Nuffer !! "

Cheers,

Glad

You speak of ...." Noddy Neck " and " Noddy Nuffer " , but please don't forget " Noddie Noel's Nodding Knee " ! and the more he became stirred up, the more that leg would swing ! You could always gauge your "punishment " by how high the leg would go into the air.Are we being too critical of this "Long Necked Nodding Giraffe " ? ..... no, I don't think so because it's peoples souls that are at risk under his ministryto which we are talking ofabout here .

       Reply to you Glad,

                               I think... " Noddy Nuffer".... is a great and a very appropriate description of this dangerous man.

                               But I think this corrupt , destructive, and uncaring human being deserves the book thrown at him plus all the deserving names we all can think of. I hope to find more deserving descriptions, at least it makes me feel better for the affects he has done on me over the years. He (N.H.) HAS NO MERCY ON ANY ONE. And I will show the same to him M.S.

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There is a lot of hurt in the world; there is no denying that al all.However I believe in the power of prayer, I have seen it work first hand, I have seen people cured of cancer before my eyes, I believe strongly in prayer and I will pray for all those people who are hurting and that includes people that write on this message board.

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