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Oh dear I just read one of your loooooooooong winded posts and you have the audacity  to say that when you were banned there were NO decent discussions on this site..Who exactly do you think you are? You need to pray for some humility mate you get on here with your boring long winded opinions and guess what you bore you know nothing about any of us that have left the shed you belittle people because you are so damn sure  of your intelligence well I don't  care how high your IQ is you do nothing but antagonize people on here and the only reason people don't post is they are sick to DEATH of your judgement why don't you go and get a job like the rest of us and enjoy life instead of crapping on about the spelling and bad grammar some of us have we are on here for support NOT your judgement now go on qoute and highlight and quote some Latin perhaps you shouldn't be so pompous and self assured in your own intelligence.BTW I beg your forgiveness if my opinion,grammar,spelling,punctuation isn't up to your high standards NOT.Litsr......
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Hello, Lemons.

Oh dear I just read one of your loooooooooong winded posts and you have the audacity  to say that when you were banned there were NO decent discussions on this site. Correct, there weren't. Unfortunately, they still aren't. You lot are far too heavily invested in devouring each other to pause for long enough to stop ... and listen ... to what others have to say to your benefit. Who exactly do you think you are? Someone quite unlike you, obviously. I've been liberated from my Revivalist past and sectarian baggage; hence I'm at peace with God and myself. 

You need to pray for some humility mate you get on here with your boring long winded opinions and guess what you bore you know nothing about any of us that have left the shed you belittle people because you are so damn sure of your intelligence ... I'm confident that I've adequate reserves of humility to keep my obvious brilliance in check :P well I don't  care how high your IQ is you do nothing but antagonize people on here and the only reason people don't post is they are sick to DEATH of your judgement ... That's somewhat rich. You, lecturing me, on the perils of antagonising people and being judgmental ;) why don't you go and get a job like the rest of us and enjoy life instead of crapping on about the spelling and bad grammar some of us have ... Thank you, but I already have a career, so a 'job' isn't necessary. And I'd suggest that it's obvious I enjoy my life far more than you do your own, so you needn't trouble yourself there, either. It's simply that I make time in my day for people like you. This I do in the hope that, one day, the 'penny will drop' (I'm ever the optimist). we are on here for support NOT your judgement ... No you're not. 'Support' is probably the least likely reason that 'you' (plural) visit here. The principle reason seems to be to catch up on gossip, and to run down others of your acquaintance in the hope that doing so will make you feel a little better about yourselves and your lives. now go on qoute and highlight and quote some Latin perhaps you shouldn't be so pompous and self assured in your own intelligence. First, nihil declaro in Latine. Second, my self-assurance is principally based on me having a correct appreciation of my relationship with God; my intelligence I view simply as a given :) BTW I beg your forgiveness if my opinion,grammar,spelling,punctuation isn't up to your high standards NOT. You needn't fret on the "grammar, spelling and punctuation" score, as I generally make allowance for such foibles :) Your opinion, however, is a different matter. It's clearly trite, shallow and rather uninformed, so you might like to put a little more effort into improving in that area :)

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I am with you Lemons and the countless others who have given up on this site because of one who is so egotistical and self righteous who simply doesn't get it he is so blinded by his own monumental ego and magnifiscence. Ian you are a F-wit, get it!!
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I am with you Lemons and the countless others who have given up on this site

What's that phrase I remember so well in Revival? Something about a wedding feast. Oh yes, "Many are called (invited) but few are chosen"smiley18

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Don't know why this suprises any of you. Ian et al are just like every other old boy's club member that runs this stupid world. They buy into the power structures and the "credibility" because it stops them feeling insignificant. Gives them some firm foundation to cling to external to themselves because they don't actually have an internal one. Silly men in suits who get their jollies throwing their weight around. World is full of them, and it is they who do the most damage.
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Good morning, Galien.

Don't know why this suprises any of you. Let me share what doesn't surprise me: you involving yourself in another discussion focussing on me. It isn't surprising given that these are the only discussions that you ever enter into on this forum :P Ian et al are just like every other old boy's club member that runs this stupid world. They buy into the power structures and the "credibility" because it stops them feeling insignificant. Let me suggest two things to you. First, the people who tend towards feeling insignificant in this world are generally those who aren't making significant contributions in it. And second, 'success', 'recognition' and/or 'achievement' in any sphere only occurs to individuals who've dedicated years to developing themselves through hard work and sacrifice. A 'voice' is something that's earned, Tracey ;) Gives them some firm foundation to cling to external to themselves because they don't actually have an internal one. Unless, of course, such 'successful' people are religious (rather than social) Christians. Then the internal foundation couldn't be firmer :) Silly men in suits who get their jollies throwing their weight around. World is full of them, and it is they who do the most damage. Nope. Those who do the most damage are the very same people who believe they're 'entitled' without warrant. By and large they're ones who try to talk the talk, but are completely incapable of walking the walk. 'Solomon' referred to such as being like 'clouds and wind without rain' (see Proverbs 25:14). People very much like you, in fact ;)

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Good morning, Guest.

I am with you Lemons and the countless others who have given up on this site because of one who is so egotistical and self righteous who simply doesn't get it he is so blinded by his own monumental ego and magnifiscence. The 'countless others', huh? Thus far there's been you, Lemons and two others who've commented recently. I can count to four, and I assume that you can too, so why is it that your lot are so into making outlandish, 'global' statements all of the time? 

Next, prove my supposed 'monumental' egoism. Prove my supposed self-righteousness. Making unfounded accusations is easy, folk like you do it all of the time; however, establishing their bases in fact has historically been far more challenging to accomplish :P Ian you are a F-wit, get it!! And? The more important point is that I'm also right :)

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Good morning, all.

I will admit to finding the title of this topic rather entertaining, 'Who the Hell Does Ian the DIK Think he Is'? Clearly Lemons intended for the question to be rhetorical; however, I'd like to share an all-too-brief summary of how I'd respond to the question, but in the third person of course! I offer the following to bolster the entertainment that this thread already provides, and in the hope of provoking further thought and discussion ;)

Here we go, so hold onto your hats!

I think Ian completely understands who he is in Christ. I think he's completely reconciled his Revivalist past; consequently, he's the kind of guy who wastes less time in feeling sorry for himself than he does pitying those who haven't achieved the same sense of inner peace and spiritual conviction.

I think Ian is masterfully capable of articulating his points of view dispassionately, incisivly and with considerable verve and wit. I also think he's done more, to help more, than have any of his most strident critics. And finally, I think Ian isn't the sort of person who worries a great deal about what others might personally think, or say, about him. He seems to be much more focussed on achieving certain longer-term effects, than he is the stroking of others' egos into the short-term for the sake of presenting the chimera of unanimity and consensus.

There! How did I do? :)

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Hi Ian. I know you place great importance on the Bible study you have done to be able to tackle issues of Scripture.

Just wondering what formal recognised qualifications you also hold in Phycology or Social work and particularly in the area of being able to properly and sensitively deal with people who have come out of abusive religious situations so that they are not further antagonised or alienated.

I ask this because anyone who had any sort of skills in this area (even if they did have a formal qualification) would NOT generate the amount of angst and frustration over such an extended period of time as you do. A person with such skills would also not have been banned for a considerable amount of time as you have been from "helping" people on this forum.

A qualified Social worker I know suggested that you may be way out of your depth in many of the discussions with abused people you attempt to involve yourself with on this forum, and in your zeal to impart the 'Truth' are perhaps causing far more harm than good in a field that you obviously lack the skills and personality to effectively perform or help in.

Have a quite think about this for a couple of weeks before you reply. No need for any knee jerk reaction. I am sure patience is one of your many virtues  :o)

 


 

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Hello again, Diogenes.

I know you place great importance on the Bible study you have done to be able to tackle issues of Scripture. Indeed.

Just wondering what formal recognised qualifications you also hold in Phycology or Social work and particularly in the area of being able to properly and sensitively deal with people who have come out of abusive religious situations so that they are not further antagonised or alienated. Strangely enough I'm neither a Social Worker nor a Psychologist! But one doesn't need to be either in order to help former cultists. One does needs to be reasonably well informed about the central issues, practised, and educated, however. So, to answer your question I hold a Graduate Certificate in Counselling, and am also an endorsed Mediator. Both qualifications required training in mental health issues, dispute resolution, and the development of sound clinical skills. Experientially, I've functioned as the uniformed interface between Social Workers/Mental Health Practitioners and their clients. And, (2) as a Notification Officer, that is, the person who breaks the news of a death to a soldier's family. Both roles involve selection and specialised training, given that they have a requirement for emotional maturity and developed empathy. I'm also someone who has personally helped about 500 people to leave Revivalism over the past decade and a bit. In short, I have significant practical experience in this area, which is informed by the theoretical preparation I received :)

I ask this because anyone who had any sort of skills in this area (even if they did have a formal qualification) would NOT generate the amount of angst and frustration over such an extended period of time as you do. And this assessment of yours is based on what professional experience/qualifications that you possess, exactly? ;)  A person with such skills would also not have been banned for a considerable amount of time as you have been from "helping" people on this forum. Do you think? :) The only time that I've been banned from this forum was many years ago, when it was under the control of the previous Moderator. He established the forum specifically to prevent me from having input into the discussions; he did this because he didn't personally like me, and doesn't still. Imagine that? :) 

A qualified Social worker I know suggested that you may be way out of your depth in many of the discussions with abused people you attempt to involve yourself with on this forum, and in your zeal to impart the 'Truth' are perhaps causing far more harm than good in a field that you obviously lack the skills and personality to effectively perform or help in. Again, imagine that? An apparently anonymous, third-hand assessment of my helping skills from a person who doesn't know me, and who has never met me or worked with me. That's credible :P You might be interested to learn that my own wife is also a Social Worker (BHS, MSW, Adv Dip Couns & Fam Thpy), one with extensive professional counselling experience over the better part of a decade. Further, a very good friend of mine is a practising clinical psychologist, another was the NUM of a hospital Psych ward. I reckon their first-hand knowledge of me over a good many years probably counts for more than does the off-hand opinion of your acquaintance based, as it no doubt was, on your representation. As an aside, how many hundreds of current and former Revivalists has your Social Worker friend personally counselled and assisted? ;)

To belabor a point that I think you've probably forgotten, this is a public discussion forum. It isn't structured to be providing the sorts of mental health support/intervention strategies that qualified counsellors and mental health practitioners provide in private. I happily refer those people in need of such services whom I encounter, but on this forum I will just as happily rebut, refute and repechage statements that I find stupid, ridiculous and/or uninformed, and then without fear or favor. Of course, I also put my name to my opinions, don't I? :)  

Have a quite think about this for a couple of weeks before you reply. No need for any knee jerk reaction. I am sure patience is one of your many virtues :o) I'm surprised that you hadn't already realised that I'm not one who is prone to be making knee-jerk reactions. Just considered ones. 

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Good morning, Galien.

Don't know why this suprises any of you. Let me share what doesn't surprise me: you involving yourself in another discussion focussing on me. It isn't surprising given that these are the only discussions that you ever enter into on this forum :P Well we cannot have any of these other figments of my imagination (those not too happy with you) thinking they are the only ones now can we.

Ian et al are just like every other old boy's club member that runs this stupid world. They buy into the power structures and the "credibility" because it stops them feeling insignificant.
Let me suggest two things to you. First, the people who tend towards feeling insignificant in this world are generally those who aren't making significant contributions in it. And second, 'success', 'recognition' and/or 'achievement' in any sphere only occurs to individuals who've dedicated years to developing themselves through hard work and sacrifice. A 'voice' is something that's earned, Tracey ;) Depends what one believes success to be I would imagine. Your inability to think outside the square renders you incapable of thinking it is anything other than what social mores and the usual pyramidal structure of sucking up have taught you. A voice is pointless when one is only preaching to the converted Ian. You should know that. If you knew anything about me, which you DON'T you would realise my entire life has been dedicating to dragging myself out of the mire I was born into and making sure my kids don't have to live with the same. But no you would rather define me but the one thing you think you know.

Gives them some firm foundation to cling to external to themselves because they don't actually have an internal one.
Unless, of course, such 'successful' people are religious (rather than social) Christians. Then the internal foundation couldn't be firmer :) I don't see success the way most people do. What it is for you is not what it is for me. Your internal foundaition is built on a certainty you have chosen to believe that has no basis in reality.

 Silly men in suits who get their jollies throwing their weight around. World is full of them, and it is they who do the most damage. Nope. Those who do the most damage are the very same people who believe they're 'entitled' without warrant. By and large they're ones who try to talk the talk, but are completely incapable of walking the walk. 'Solomon' referred to such as being like 'clouds and wind without rain' (see Proverbs 25:14). People very much like you, in fact ;) I have never felt entitled to anything in my life. You know nothing about me Ian. You are just another silly sheep who most likely has never had an original thought in his life. No evidence of it thus far.



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Galien,

Let me share what doesn't surprise me: you involving yourself in another discussion focussing on me. It isn't surprising given that these are the only discussions that you ever enter into on this forum :P Well we cannot have any of these other figments of my imagination (those not too happy with you) thinking they are the only ones now can we. Certainly not, just as we can't be expected to believe you to have an opinion on anything that doesn't involve me ;)

Let me suggest two things to you. First, the people who tend towards feeling insignificant in this world are generally those who aren't making significant contributions in it. And second, 'success', 'recognition' and/or 'achievement' in any sphere only occurs to individuals who've dedicated years to developing themselves through hard work and sacrifice. A 'voice' is something that's earned, Tracey ;) Depends what one believes success to be I would imagine. Your inability to think outside the square renders you incapable of thinking it is anything other than what social mores and the usual pyramidal structure of sucking up have taught you. I see. So apparently I'm higher up to totem pole because I 'sucked-up' to get there; and you're at the bottom of said pole because you wouldn't? And here's me thinking that it must've had something to do with our respective levels of personal application, initiative and drive; never mind our respective capacities for increased levels of responsibility.

A voice is pointless when one is only preaching to the converted Ian. You should know that. If you knew anything about me, which you DON'T you would realise my entire life has been dedicating to dragging myself out of the mire I was born into and making sure my kids don't have to live with the same. And how has that worked for you, Tracey? But no you would rather define me but the one thing you think you know. And you have been defining me, by what, exactly? H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e :P

Gives them some firm foundation to cling to external to themselves because they don't actually have an internal one. Unless, of course, such 'successful' people are religious (rather than social) Christians. Then the internal foundation couldn't be firmer :) I don't see success the way most people do. Clearly. What it is for you is not what it is for me. Clearly. Your internal foundaition is built on a certainty you have chosen to believe that has no basis in reality. Really? According to whom? You? ;)

Silly men in suits who get their jollies throwing their weight around. World is full of them, and it is they who do the most damage. Nope. Those who do the most damage are the very same people who believe they're 'entitled' without warrant. By and large they're ones who try to talk the talk, but are completely incapable of walking the walk. 'Solomon' referred to such as being like 'clouds and wind without rain' (see Proverbs 25:14). People very much like you, in fact ;) I have never felt entitled to anything in my life. Rubbish. You've felt yourself entitled to be broadcasting opinions here on issues about which you know nothing. And you've expressed your feelings of entitlement to be demanding others to be accepting of said opinions as if they had merit. You know nothing about me Ian. You are just another silly sheep who most likely has never had an original thought in his life. No evidence of it thus far. Ha! I know that you're (1) a serial pest, (2) prone to telling 'porkies', and (3) a practised hypocrite. What more is there to learn?

Try harder, Tracey.

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Have a quite think about this for a couple of weeks before you reply. No need for any knee jerk reaction. I am sure patience is one of your many virtues :o)
Wow, that was all of what... about 2 minutes before you started drafting your reply. I guess we can also cross off patience as one of your virtues. Oh dear, as much as I try I can't think of any others that you would have left

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Just wondering what formal recognised qualifications you also hold in Psychology or Social work and particularly in the area of being able to properly and sensitively deal with people who have come out of abusive religious situations so that they are not further antagonised or alienated. Strangely enough I'm neither a Social Worker nor a Psychologist.
No surprises there of course. Anyway, keep up your training, hopefully one day you'll actually know how to implement what you've learnt.

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Seriously, I think Ian is the one that needs help. Just look at his post 1/11/11 7.24pm.
Speaking in the third person about himself! The only thing he is reallly good at is putting people down, alienating them and his special talent is of course telling us all how great he is! An old saying and very true, don't bother trying to look it up because I don't think it 's in the bible. "self praise is no praise"
I don't think I have ever come across anyone like him. Begs the question is he deluded? Granduer? Seems he has all the answers and can solve everyones issues! The guy is seriously on the edge and needs help, ah but will he accept it or even acknowledge it!
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Hello, Guest.

Seriously, I think Ian is the one that needs help. Just look at his post 1/11/11 7.24pm. Speaking in the third person about himself! Scandalous, isn't it? :) The only thing he is reallly good at is putting people down, alienating them and his special talent is of course telling us all how great he is! 'Pot, this is kettle. Black ... over'. An old saying and very true, don't bother trying to look it up because I don't think it 's in the bible. "self praise is no praise". Agreed. But as another old saying goes, "halitosis is better than no breath at all." :P I don't think I have ever come across anyone like him. That's certainly unfortunate, but almost certain ;) Begs the question is he deluded? Granduer? Seems he has all the answers and can solve everyones issues! Nope. But apparently I do have more of the answers than some others; I'm certainly much more proficient at identifying what the questions really are; and I'm no 'shrinking violet' when it comes to voicing my opinions :) The guy is seriously on the edge and needs help, ah but will he accept it or even acknowledge it! If you can demonstrate that I need help, then I will both acknowledge and accept the same, willingly ;)

Now, "why so sad?" :(

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Diogenes, again.

Wow, that was all of what... about 2 minutes before you started drafting your reply. Nuh, uh. It wouldn't take me 90 minutes to frame a reply to you :P I guess we can also cross off patience as one of your virtues. Patience really didn't enter into the equation, as responding to your statements didn't require much in the way of detailed pondering and reflection. Do you honestly think your arguments are like wine, that they improve with the passing of time? ;) I Oh dear, as much as I try I can't think of any others that you would have left. Would you like me to provide a few to start the 'juices' flowing?

Strangely enough I'm neither a Social Worker nor a Psychologist. No surprises there of course. Anyway, keep up your training, hopefully one day you'll actually know how to implement what you've learnt. We'll see. But what of your qualifications to be offering an opinion on the matter? They would be?

You might be interested to learn that my own wife is also a Social Worker ... Bloody astounded in fact... that anyone of their own free will would actually marry you. I've been told I was 'quite the catch', and she is a very intelligent woman :P No wonder she became a social worker, it would be a 24 hour job just counselling herself on how to live with you. That's certainly possible, as she does take the DSM IV(TR) down from the bookshelf, flip through the pages, look at me and then mutter, "hmmmm ..." from time-to-time ;)

Anyway, I've noted that you have something of a penchant for skirting the 'harder' questions. Why is that?

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Galien,

Let me share what doesn't surprise me: you involving yourself in another discussion focussing on me. It isn't surprising given that these are the only discussions that you ever enter into on this forum :P Well we cannot have any of these other figments of my imagination (those not too happy with you) thinking they are the only ones now can we. Certainly not, just as we can't be expected to believe you to have an opinion on anything that doesn't involve me ;) Ah yes princess, always all about you.

Let me suggest two things to you. First, the people who tend towards feeling insignificant in this world are generally those who aren't making significant contributions in it. And second, 'success', 'recognition' and/or 'achievement' in any sphere only occurs to individuals who've dedicated years to developing themselves through hard work and sacrifice. A 'voice' is something that's earned, Tracey ;) Depends what one believes success to be I would imagine. Your inability to think outside the square renders you incapable of thinking it is anything other than what social mores and the usual pyramidal structure of sucking up have taught you. I see. So apparently I'm higher up to totem pole because I 'sucked-up' to get there; and you're at the bottom of said pole because you wouldn't? And here's me thinking that it must've had something to do with our respective levels of personal application, initiative and drive; never mind our respective capacities for increased levels of responsibility. I couldn't give a shit about the stupid totem pole Ian,  I have never had any respect for it and for many years stupidly expected that christians wouldn't either. The lack of integrity, humility and honesty in positions of power is nauseating. Why would I want anything to do with it? You on the other hand embrace it and love it.

A voice is pointless when one is only preaching to the converted Ian. You should know that. If you knew anything about me, which you DON'T you would realise my entire life has been dedicating to dragging myself out of the mire I was born into and making sure my kids don't have to live with the same. And how has that worked for you, Tracey? Extremely  well actually. But having no idea where I have come from I wouldnt expect you to understand. But no you would rather define me but the one thing you think you know. And you have been defining me, by what, exactly? H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e :P I define you by the shitty way you treat myself and others on this forum A-S-S-H-O-L-E

Gives them some firm foundation to cling to external to themselves because they don't actually have an internal one. Unless, of course, such 'successful' people are religious (rather than social) Christians. Then the internal foundation couldn't be firmer :) I don't see success the way most people do. Clearly. What it is for you is not what it is for me. Clearly. Your internal foundaition is built on a certainty you have chosen to believe that has no basis in reality. Really? According to whom? You? ;) Many, many people. Apparently you are the only one that never got the memo on not being able to prove the existence of god, on whos existence your whole so called authority on this forum turns.

 I have never felt entitled to anything in my life. Rubbish. You've felt yourself entitled to be broadcasting opinions here on issues about which you know nothing. And you've expressed your feelings of entitlement to be demanding others to be accepting of said opinions as if they had merit.  Unlike yourself? At one time I hoped you capable of that. You aren'tYou know nothing about me Ian. You are just another silly sheep who most likely has never had an original thought in his life. No evidence of it thus far. Ha! I know that you're (1) a serial pest, (2) prone to telling 'porkies', and (3) a practised hypocrite. What more is there to learn? Well there is some grade A bullshit right there. 1 is a subjective opinion, 2 and 3 outright lies.

How many people will have to tell you that you are an asshole before you believe it. 10, 20, 50? Or as many as tried to tell that to Revival pastors for years? I suspect we all know the answer Ian.



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she does take the DSM IV(TR) down from the bookshelf, flip through the pages, look at me and then mutter, "hmmmm ..." from time-to-time

I take it she is now up to Volume 4 of Disturbed Sociopathic Mutants (Terrorising [forum] Readers)

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Anyway, I've noted that you have something of a penchant for skirting the 'harder' questions. Why is that?

I have actually thought that about you from time to time. When the questions get harder your words become more archaic, arguments more complicated and theories more anal as if you're hoping to lose us. 

Anyway, most of the time I thought you were just being rhetorical or argumentative... or perhaps I was just exercising some restraint and going easy on you. We all know how dangerous it can be to push an ex Revivalist in the Military over the edge. I don't want to be responsible for that.


I see this time I have finally won the coveted 'Goose' award. You seem to be giving these away a little too freely these days. If you give them to everyone they kinda lose their value. Is the heat getting to you just a bit? I know patience is not your strong point but I had hoped that you may have retained 'Long Suffering' in your dwindling list of virtues


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Galien, spoling for more?

Ah yes princess, always all about you. When you're involved, it always is (you haven't exactly made your fixation with me a secret) :P

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Oh and Ian, no amount of degrees under one's belt teaches compassion. In fact it usually the more degrees the more of a self involved academic wanker too busy basking in the delight of his or her own intelligence to be of any use at all. Is there anyone who can come to this forum and criticise you who will be listened to? I think not. For a long time this place has been all about you, and it does not matter how many people tell yo uhow offensive that is, you simply don't care.

What your kind of "expertise" produces are soulless dictators for whom individuals are only of value if they conform. Notches added to ones belt as it were.
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Diogenes, once more.

Anyway, I've noted that you have something of a penchant for skirting the 'harder' questions. Why is that? I have actually thought that about you from time to time. When the questions get harder your words become more archaic, arguments more complicated and theories more anal as if you're hoping to lose us. Interesting. However, the questions that I've posed to you have been quite straightforward and framed in simple English, I would've thought ;)

Anyway, most of the time I thought you were just being rhetorical or argumentative... or perhaps I was just exercising some restraint and going easy on you. Ha, ha. That being the case, please, I invite you to take the 'gloves off' :) We all know how dangerous it can be to push an ex Revivalist in the Military over the edge. I don't want to be responsible for that.You needn't worry yourself too much about it. I'm quite possibly the sanest ex Revivalist that you'll ever encounter :)

I see this time I have finally won the coveted 'Goose' award. You seem to be giving these away a little too freely these days. Actually, it's an epithet that still takes quite a bit to earn (albeit people of your former denomination seem to rise to the occasion more frequently than most). Consequently, you ought to feel reasonably 'special' given the accolade :) If you give them to everyone they kinda lose their value. Is the heat getting to you just a bit? I know patience is not your strong point but I had hoped that you may have retained 'Long Suffering' in your dwindling list of virtues. I'm still here humoring you, am I not :P

Now, back to those questions ... 

Goose.

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Oh and Ian, no amount of degrees under one's belt teaches compassion. In fact it usually the more degrees the more of a self involved academic wanker too busy basking in the delight of his or her own intelligence to be of any use at all. And you are speaking from personal experience when making this assessment? Not everyone who undertakes tertiary studies aspires to be some sort of 'Ivory Tower Academic'; for example, every qualification that I've studied for, I've done so having strictly practical ends in mind. Is there anyone who can come to this forum and criticise you who will be listened to? I think not. I've made a habit of inviting criticism of my views here, since the very beginning, so I certainly can't be accused of running from critique! Questioning is healthy in that it should provoke greater thinking and reflection, which is why some of us embrace the practice. Sadly, many of you clearly find it far too challenging having your opinions tested. What I ask is that people demonstrate how, where and why they believe my opinions are wrong. To answer your direct question, directly, there have been people who've put forwards points of view different to my own, and which they've been able to justify. I do listen to such people, and I will even reconsider my own position when another has proven merit. But the tripe that has been dished up for me to review of late, simply doesn't pass muster.

For a long time this place has been all about you, and it does not matter how many people tell yo uhow offensive that is, you simply don't care. Ownership of the forum was offered to me not that long ago. I declined, as I'm content to be simply a person who is free tp express his views for consideration. Consequently, anyone can post to their heart's content, so long as they abide by the established regulations. What could be fairer than that, eh? Unfortunately, a large percentage of what does get posted would struggle rising to the standard of 'land fill'. Unfortunately too many people are too fixated on individual identities; consequently they lose sight of the more substantive issues that need addressing.  Whilst I'm happy enough to be scorning such nonsense, I'd much rather be engaging in more productive discussions :P

What your kind of "expertise" produces are soulless dictators for whom individuals are only of value if they conform. Notches added to ones belt as it were. Perhaps instead of assuming that you're qualified to be speaking for such people, you should ask them what they think of my involvement in their lives? ;)

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Seriously, I think Ian is the one that needs help. Just look at his post 1/11/11 7.24pm.
Speaking in the third person about himself! The only thing he is reallly good at is putting people down, alienating them and his special talent is of course telling us all how great he is! An old saying and very true, don't bother trying to look it up because I don't think it 's in the bible. "self praise is no praise"
I don't think I have ever come across anyone like him. Begs the question is he deluded? Granduer? Seems he has all the answers and can solve everyones issues! The guy is seriously on the edge and needs help, ah but will he accept it or even acknowledge it!
Yeah the cracks are starting to appear,he is a loon,the scary thing about this is that soldier boy is an officer, pity his subordinates. The real tagedy for soldier boy is that all he is,is the australian governments cannon fodder, nothing  more, nothing less.
soldier boy seeing as you walk your spiritual walk according to rock lyrics,take a listen to emerson lake and palmers Lucky Man.
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SA[d]Boy,

Yeah the cracks are starting to appear,he is a loon,the scary thing about this is that soldier boy is an officer, pity his subordinates. Oh, I don't know. I'm confident they'd tell you that your pity is better served elsewhere. The real tagedy for soldier boy is that all he is,is the australian governments cannon fodder, nothing  more, nothing less. Interesting, and I don't just mean your compositional skills. Your comments leave me convinced that you don't personally know any Australian soldiers, never mind officers. The government has invested a princely sum in my training and professional development, and only rank fools would try to use a scalpel to hammer a nail :P soldier boy seeing as you walk your spiritual walk according to rock lyrics,take a listen to emerson lake and palmers Lucky Man. I much prefer, 'Ballad of the Green Berets' by SSGT Barry Sadler, or even 'Two Little Boys' by Morse and Madden ;)

By the bye, how's the job hunting going? You could always try enlisting, and whilst the Army probably wouldn't take you, the RAAF might ;)

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I am with you Lemons and the countless others who have given up on this site

What's that phrase I remember so well in Revival? Something about a wedding feast. Oh yes, "Many are called (invited) but few are chosen"smiley18

Twitts.
bibliaputz I am only guessing but before you joined the grc you were a good kind hearted soul,probably while you were in the grc you were the same,now you are just an evil old man.
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Ha ha. Yeah right! “Get off my lawn Idiot or I’ll suck the soul out of your planet”.

 

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 .. It is considered to be quite an honour and a noble pursuit to serve as a 'Digger'. I am appalled that the ilk of Galien and her kind could hold such a poor disregard and contempt to the history of the Australian armed forces. When one goes back through the historical account in the local public library and view the in depth narrative accounts of tens of thousands of Australian teenage boys going on a one way ticket never to return to Galipoli and France. Or the story of the young Australian nurses who were machine gunned in the shallow surf of an Indonesian beach. Or the story of the trapped Aussie soldiers at Long Tan with no choice but to fight it out. Hey Galien I have visited to war graves of very young Australian men buried in the middle east. Boys who have barely made it out of their teen years.. So come on, lets cut the 'bagging' of our diggers.

As far as Ian goes, I am sure that a good deal of Ian's time is spent ministering to those very diggers serving under him..

So Galien it's time you realized that the more you carry on about Ian, the more silly you appear..


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 .. It is considered to be quite an honour and a noble pursuit to serve as a 'Digger'. I am appalled that the ilk of Galien and her kind could hold such a poor disregard and contempt to the history of the Australian armed forces. When one goes back through the historical account in the local public library and view the in depth narrative accounts of tens of thousands of Australian teenage boys going on a one way ticket never to return to Galipoli and France. Or the story of the young Australian nurses who were machine gunned in the shallow surf of an Indonesian beach. Or the story of the trapped Aussie soldiers at Long Tan with no choice but to fight it out. Hey Galien I have visited to war graves of very young Australian men buried in the middle east. Boys who have barely made it out of their teen years.. So come on, lets cut the 'bagging' of our diggers.

As far as Ian goes, I am sure that a good deal of Ian's time is spent ministering to those very diggers serving under him..

So Galien it's time you realized that the more you carry on about Ian, the more silly you appear..


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At no point did I express any disregard or contempt for the armed forces. Whilst I am no particular fan of the militarisation of Australian history, I did not at any point bag out diggers or nurses. Members of my own family have fought for Australia.

I do wonder though if you know that diggers are taught they are some kind of an elite compared to the rest of us because they are there to protect us? Having some friends in the army it is interesting to hear the mythology  they build up around their own culture. It is the same though for any group, they all feed each other's beliefs.

I wonder how you would feel to come the main street of this town on a Saturday night and see how many of the diggers in training are drunk in the main street, or how many of the young girls in this town they get pregnant here every year due to their kind ministations?

Just because anything is an institution does not make it perfect nor beyond reproach or questioning.
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Galien,

I do wonder though if you know that diggers are taught they are some kind of an elite compared to the rest of us because they are there to protect us? Are they, Tracey? Really? I've been in the Army for 22 years and have never heard anything of the sort. Having some friends in the army it is interesting to hear the mythology they build up around their own culture. You, have friends in the Army? Okay :P

I wonder how you would feel to come the main street of this town on a Saturday night and see how many of the diggers in training are drunk in the main street, or how many of the young girls in this town they get pregnant here every year due to their kind ministations? How unfortunate it is for you, that my appointment at Kapooka enables me to respond to your baseless allegations with facts :)

First point, Recruits aren't allowed into town on Saturday nights. Period. Thery are given local leave of three hour's duration on two Saturday afternoons, and they're specifically prohibited from consuming any alcohol in public. Second point, Recruits are civilians who are training to become soldiers. They aren't 'Diggers' until they march out of Recruit Training, and commence their Initial Employment Training, or 'IETs'. Consequently, they're more like you than they are like me :) Third point, I can count the number of soldiers who've been arrested in 'this town' for drunken behaviour this year, on just the one hand with a couple of fingers left over. How many civilians do you think have been similarly arrested over the same period? Fourth point, I'm the Staff Officer who is responsible for 'answering the mail' when locals bring charges, or raise concerns, against either Army staff or trainees. In the two years that I've been posted to Wagga, I haven't heard of a single case of any 'young girls of this town' becoming pregnant due to the 'kind ministrations' of Recruits. No complaints whatsoever. No requests for information on soldiers' whereabouts, whatsoever. No approaches from the CSA seeking child support payments, whatsoever.

M'dear, given you have a decided penchant for writing fiction, I'm very surprised that you're not yet a published author :)

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Galien,

I do wonder though if you know that diggers are taught they are some kind of an elite compared to the rest of us because they are there to protect us? Are they, Tracey? Really? I've been in the Army for 22 years and have never heard anything of the sort. Having some friends in the army it is interesting to hear the mythology they build up around their own culture. You, have friends in the Army? Okay :P

I wonder how you would feel to come the main street of this town on a Saturday night and see how many of the diggers in training are drunk in the main street, or how many of the young girls in this town they get pregnant here every year due to their kind ministations? How fortunate it is that position at Kapooka actually enables me to provide the correct answers to your allegations :)

First point, Recruits aren't allowed into town on Saturday nights. Second point, Recruits are civilians training to become soldiers; they aren't 'Diggers' until they march out of the place. So they're more like you than they are me :) Third point, I can count the number of soldiers who've been arrested in 'this town' for drunken behaviour, this year, on one hand. How many civilians do you think have been similarly arrested over the same period? Fourth point, I'm the one who is responsible for 'answering the mail' when locals bring charges, or raise concerns, against either staff or trainees. In the two years that I've been posted to Wagga I haven't heard of a single case of any 'young girls of this town' becoming pregnant due to the 'kind ministrations' of Recruits. No complaints. No requests for information on soldiers' locations. No approaches from the CSA seeking child support payments.

You have a penchant for writing fiction, m'dear, so I'm surprised you're not published yet :)

Goose.

Ian

I live in a town with an Army base, why is it inconceivable that I would know people in the army?

Actually you are quite right in what you say regarding the recruits. When I think about it, the ones I know and know of that cause the trouble are not recruits but those who train them.  Like the charming young man now posted to another place, who finds it necessary to send images of child pornography to others on their mobile phone. Such a fine upstanding example inthe community. If I were to give you his name, would you be likely to follow that up Mr Army Man? Also Ian because you don't hear of every single thing that goes on in this town, doesn't mean it doesn't go on. You are not god mate, no matter how powerful you think you are.

One night my daughter and her friend found a recruit in town so drunk he could not give them any ID or explain who he was. Being the middle of winter they didn't want to leave him there to freeze so they threw him in a taxi and brought him home to my house. Don't tell me what does and doesn't happen in this town Ian, I have lived here since 1984. I'm not deaf or blind.
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Galien,

I live in a town with an Army base, why is it inconceivable that I would know people in the army? For the simple reason that you don't strike me as being the kind of person who would court friendships among soldiers, or they you :)

Actually you are quite right in what you say regarding the recruits. When I think about it, the ones I know and know of that cause the trouble are not recruits but those who train them. And as I said, three arrests this year for drunken and disorderly behaviour by soldiers. A simple fact accepted by the Riverina Police Area Command is this: local servicemen are much better behaved than are local civilians :)  Like the charming young man now posted to another place, who finds it necessary to send images of child pornography to others on their mobile phone. Such a fine upstanding example inthe community. If I were to give you his name, would you be likely to follow that up Mr Army Man? In less time than it takes a heart to beat, as we have 'zero' tolerance for such individuals. That you hadn't passed on such information previously indicates to me you're much more tolerant of such criminals. So why the indignant pouting, all of a sudden? Also Ian because you don't hear of every single thing that goes on in this town, doesn't mean it doesn't go on. Tracey, I'm briefed by the local constabulary on a regular basis. I think it much more likely, then, that I'm better informed about "what goes on in this town" than you are ;) You are not god mate, no matter how powerful you think you are. All of the key players: political, educational, business, social and service, I engage with regularly. Consequently, I'm very well informed about what happens in this community; you shouldn't try pretending otherwise ;)

One night my daughter and her friend found a recruit in town so drunk he could not give them any ID or explain who he was. Rubbish. I came through Kapooka as a Recruit myself 22 years ago, and we weren't allowed into town at night. I now work here as one of the senior officers, and I can assure you that nothing's changed. If what you claim has even a even shred of truth to it, which given your track-record I seriously doubt, the only possibility was that the person concerned was a RAAF trainee. Not an Army Recruit :) Being the middle of winter they didn't want to leave him there to freeze so they threw him in a taxi and brought him home to my house. Don't tell me what does and doesn't happen in this town Ian, I have lived here since 1984. I'm not deaf or blind. Then try getting your facts straight :P

You really are a stupid woman (an assessment of you just now 'PM-ed' to me, by a woman).

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Galien,

I live in a town with an Army base, why is it inconceivable that I would know people in the army? For the simple reason that you don't strike me as being the kind of person who would court friendships among soldiers, or they you :) For starters I don't court friendships, not being the type that uses other people to further my own social, um what it is it again?? yes thats it, credibility. The people I have met that are in the army I have met just through normal social circumstances. I was involved a relationship with one for a time :) I'm not a big fan of those who need some kind of institutional parent to run their lives, but I have met the odd decent one. Still all a bit too enamoured of themselves for the most part. Never could work out why though. Guess humility is a forgotten art.

Actually you are quite right in what you say regarding the recruits. When I think about it, the ones I know and know of that cause the trouble are not recruits but those who train them. And as I said, three arrests this year for drunken and disorderly behaviour. Here is a simple fact accepted by the Riverina Police Area Command: local servicemen are much better behaved than are local civilians :)  And? You would think with the zero tolerance for drugs that alcohol would be among those drugs. Shame so many defence people drink like fish. Like the charming young man now posted to another place, who finds it necessary to send images of child pornography to others on their mobile phone. Such a fine upstanding example inthe community. If I were to give you his name, would you be likely to follow that up Mr Army Man? In less time than it takes a heart to beat, as we have 'zero' tolerance for such individuals. Excellent you will be hearing from me privately on that matter. Also Ian because you don't hear of every single thing that goes on in this town, doesn't mean it doesn't go on. Tracey, I'm briefed by the local constabulary on a regular basis. I think it much more likely, then, that I'm better informed about "what goes on in this town" than you are ;) Get a police scanner if you don't already have one. VERY informative. You are not god mate, no matter how powerful you think you are. I know and associate with all of the key players in this town, do you? Oh hell no, if there are any ilk of character I cannot abide, it is those who consider themselves "key" players. They are even worse than their polar opposites. I prefer tomato sauce with my weekend barbecue, not a large dose of arrogance.

One night my daughter and her friend found a recruit in town so drunk he could not give them any ID or explain who he was. Rubbish. I came through Kapooka as a Recruit myself 22 years ago, and we weren't allowed into town at night. I now work here as one of the senior officers, and I can assure you that nothing's changed. If what you claim has even a shred of truth to it, which given your track-record I seriously doubt, then the only possibility was that the person concerned was a RAAF trainee. Not an Army Recruit :) Indeed you are correct, he was a raaf recruit. One who nearly fainted when my fella walked out of the bedroom in full dress uniform from his function the night before :) Being the middle of winter they didn't want to leave him there to freeze so they threw him in a taxi and brought him home to my house. Don't tell me what does and doesn't happen in this town Ian, I have lived here since 1984. I'm not deaf or blind. Then try getting your facts straight :P They always are

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Amazing ... seriously ... amazing! :/

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Re:who the hell does Ian the DIK think he is???

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bibliaputz I am only guessing but before you joined the grc you were a good kind hearted soul,probably while you were in the grc you were the same,now you are just an evil old man.

Last week I became the victim in a motor vehicle accident as a result of a female driver sitting in her parallel-parked car suddenly and without warning pushed her door open to exit her vehicle as I was passing.

I didn’t even have time to react and as a result extensive damage was done to both vehicles.

Fortunately, nobody was injured.

Details and steps were taken to recover costs to my vehicle ($800+) and because there was no Insurance for her vehicle and I felt sorry for her, I decided to waive the costs.

I was trying to decide at the time I might be up grading my vehicle anyhow.

I then called at her place of residence and told her the ‘good news’ that I was no longer going to pursue the matter and left it at that.

The next thing I got a phone call from the Police.

The woman had called the Police in, saying she wasn’t comfortable about me calling to her house in regard to the matter.

After explaining to the officer why I had and after knowing facts, he was most apologetic and wondered what the woman was complaining about.

 

What an evil old man I am, hey?

 

Makes one completely lose faith in humanity, for sure.


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Re:who the hell does Ian the DIK think he is???

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Ralph,

Your sole 'error', as I see it, was to disagree with the radical ex-GRC fringe ;)

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Hi Ian,
 
Yes,  I was a little disappointed that's all I got from them. Evil OLD man that I am


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Hi Ian,
 
Yes,  I was a little disappointed that's all I got from them. Evil OLD man that I am


Ralph.



You may not be evil Ralph and I don't want to be mean but I remember you did have a reputation for creeping women out back in Revival.

 

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That's strange, I don't recall that, Angela. But if that's what you believe I'm sorry you weren't included. Better luck next time, hey?

Geez, I am an evil old man.
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Good morning, all.

I will admit to finding the title of this topic rather entertaining, 'Who the Hell Does Ian the DIK Think he Is'? Clearly Lemons intended for the question to be rhetorical; however, I'd like to share an all-too-brief summary of how I'd respond to the question, but in the third person of course! I offer the following to bolster the entertainment that this thread already provides, and in the hope of provoking further thought and discussion ;)

Here we go, so hold onto your hats!

I think Ian completely understands who he is in Christ. I think he's completely reconciled his Revivalist past; consequently, he's the kind of guy who wastes less time in feeling sorry for himself than he does pitying those who haven't achieved the same sense of inner peace and spiritual conviction.

I think Ian is masterfully capable of articulating his points of view dispassionately, incisivly and with considerable verve and wit. I also think he's done more, to help more, than have any of his most strident critics. And finally, I think Ian isn't the sort of person who worries a great deal about what others might personally think, or say, about him. He seems to be much more focussed on achieving certain longer-term effects, than he is the stroking of others' egos into the short-term for the sake of presenting the chimera of unanimity and consensus.

There! How did I do? :)

Ian

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 "He seems to be much more focussed on achieving certain longer-term effects, than he is the stroking of others' egos into the short-term for the sake of presenting the chimera of unanimity and consensus."

Even though he is quite prepared to stroke egos for the sake of presenting the chimera of unanimity and consensus in the orthdox church. Interesting.
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Good morning, Galien.

He seems to be much more focussed on achieving certain longer-term effects, than he is the stroking of others' egos into the short-term for the sake of presenting the chimera of unanimity and consensus. Even though he is quite prepared to stroke egos for the sake of presenting the chimera of unanimity and consensus in the orthdox church. Interesting. Is it? Perhaps it would be excepting for the fact that I've not once suggested that there is complete unanimity and consensus in orthodox Christianity. When it comes to the core beliefs, which are summed up quite succinctly in the Symbolum Nicaenum, there exists catholic Christianity. All else is adiaphora, hence my oft quoted statement that the fact of the Church proves that God loves diversity :P

Goose.

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