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Greetings all, below is a conversation that SU and I started on the shout box thought it may be better served here.Is praise and worship to build up ourselves? or is it to glorify and give glory to God in thanks ?earth5: may need to take this one to the main forum29 May 07, 16:23earth5: praying in the spirit is what builds us up29 May 07, 16:23earth5: not sure I agree with you on that one urch, I believe that we sing and worship to God in thanks and praise i mean what are the angels around the throne doing?29 May 07, 15:34urch: When we sing praise & worship songs, it is not to please God but to build ourselves up29 May 07, 15:33urch: hi earthy, yeah it's a great song & all about freedom to worship and to show our love for Jesus in our worship
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Re:praise and worship? for us or God

Date Posted:28/05/2007 5:50 PMCopy HTML

even if it is just to appease a god, then that is still satisfying to the singer
29 May 07, 17:51
Mothman: singing makes us feel good and it lets us express ourselves
29 May 07, 17:50
Mothman: yah, it'd be sad if people didn't think they couldn't show me up for the ignoramus i am... as long as they don't expect to get the last word
29 May 07, 17:49
urch: I see the act of worshipping (singing, praising) as something that also can help us feel closer to God
29 May 07, 17:47
urch: Or that the sole purpose of worship is to 'build ourselves up'
29 May 07, 17:44
urch: I may have 'shot my mouth off' earlier - I didn't mean to infer that God is not pleased by us worshipping Him
29 May 07, 17:20
set free: as long as you can take it Moth, i find it very amusing
29 May 07, 17:20
set free: they sure made me craxk up in the middle of an office!
29 May 07, 17:16
Mothman: Someone trying to pwn me... fun. I like it when we let the anonymous in to play
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SOTT: Singing praises is supposed to be a form of worshipping God (and not simply for the entertaining/edification of us).

not saying its not satisfying to the singer nor that we are not edified by it, however I believe that the prime purpose of praise and worship is to glorify God to give him the praise, adoration etc that he deserves, I think that you would find this to be the biblcal principle

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Re:praise and worship? for us or God

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Moth said: even if it is just to appease a god, then that is still satisfying to the singer

Hi earthy and moth,

Couldn't talk earlier cos have to do some work sometimes LOL.

I said something earlier on the shout box that was a bit of a ' type (shoot) first and ask questions later' sort of statement and I was quite incorrect in what I said. I said that " when we praise and sing worship songs to God it is not to please God but to build ourselves up"  What I meant (but didn't say very well) is that I feel that WE get blessed when WE bless God, if that makes sense. And of course it pleases God to have His children calling out to Him and praising Him.

I did some reading after work and thought this was a good explanation of Christian worship;

Worship is more than an act of reverence, it is an attitude of the heart.  We can worship God or money or power or a rock star or a lifestyle - as humans we seem to have an inner need to worship, so God asks us to worship Him. We should let the lives we live BE an act of worship to Him. Whatever we do with our lives, whether we are doctors, lawyers, truck drivers, preachers, we can do everything for the glory of God. When we do, we are engaging in Christian worship. True worship is not confined to singing in a church or praying to God, it is the heartfelt adknowledgement of God and all His power and glory in the things we do. It is to glorify and exalt God and to show our loyalty and admiration to our Father.

I reckon that sums it up pretty well from a Christian viewpoint

Love to all, Urch

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its cool SEA URCH, thanks for your clarfication

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Greetings all, below is a conversation that SU and I started on the shout box thought it may be better served here.Is praise and worship to build up ourselves? or is it to glorify and give glory to God in thanks ?earth5: may need to take this one to the main forum29 May 07, 16:23earth5: praying in the spirit is what builds us up29 May 07, 16:23earth5: not sure I agree with you on that one urch, I be
Worship serves Both, I think!
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Reply to : earth5Greetings all, below is a conversation that SU and I started on the shout box thought it may be better served here.Is praise and worship to build up ourselves? or is it to glorify and give glory to God in thanks ?earth5: may need to take this one to the main forum29 May 07, 16:23earth5: praying in the spirit is what builds us up29 May 07, 16:23earth5: not sure I agree with you on that one urch, I beWorship serves Both, I think!

In a sense yes, but it is predominatly there to worship God, this is its bilical purpose, not denying the side effect is great though

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Reply to : Proverbs25v2Reply to : earth5Greetings all, below is a conversation that SU and I started on the shout box thought it may be better served here.Is praise and worship to build up ourselves? or is it to glorify and give glory to God in thanks ?earth5: may need to take this one to the main forum29 May 07, 16:23earth5: praying in the spirit is what builds us up29 May 07, 16:23earth5: not sure I agree with you on that one urch, I beWorship serves Both, I think!In a sense yes, but it is predominatly there to worship God, this is its bilical purpose, not denying the side effect is great thoughearth5welcom to the forum

In statistics there is an equation called "a correlation coefficient" this is used to statistically predict the likelihood of an event happening.

 

For example: Car Accidents and Personal Injuries have an almost perfect positive correlation coefficient.

 

In the scriptures the same "perfect positive correlation coefficient" is found in relation to Trials/Tribulation Temptation and Praise/Joy/Rejoicing.

 

Eg:

James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations.

1st Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations.

1st Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

1st Peter 4:13  But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man:

 

Conclusion: The purpose of praise and worship is twofold.

 

 1) It shows the unbeliever that even though Christians suffer the same trials as the unbelievers we are able to rejoice in the midst of those trials. (no matter how great they are)

 

 2) After passing through the trials we are purified like gold and the dross or sinful nature is expelled through the trial. This brings us closer to God and with intimacy comes confidence and increased faith. (Humility is the key to intimacy. Intimacy is the key to moving the hand of God. So Intimacy is the key to power)

 

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Put Simply: When we are able to go through massive trials and maintain our joy, we show faith in God and he is glorified. We learn patience and are spiritually built up.

1John 3:20  For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.1John 3:21  Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 1John 3:22  And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

 

I am a metallurgist and the thing with Gold is the hotter it gets the purer and stronger it becomes!!

 

Just a thought!

 

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After passing through the trials we are purified like gold and the dross or sinful nature is expelled through the trial. This brings us closer to God and with intimacy comes confidence and increased faith. (Humility is the key to intimacy. Intimacy is the key to moving the hand of God. So Intimacy is the key to power)I am a metallurgist and the thing with Gold is the hotter it gets the purer and stronger it becomes!!

Hello Proverbs25v2 (although it feels a little funny talking to a scripture ha ha)

' The hotter it gets the purer and stronger it becomes'  is exactly the same as us. 

As I woke up recently from many years of an RF-induced ' lukewarm state' and have prayed and looked to God for revelation, He has given me a desire and a hunger for the things that are of Him.  Have you heard the song  ' Don't wanna be a flame, wanna be a raging fire"  - that's how I'm feeling these days. I feel so humbled and yet honoured that He has given me an opportunity to grow spiritually stronger now and to have fresh revelation each day. 

God has completely broken down my lukewarm heart and given me a heart that is on fire because of His great love and I am only now beginning to understand the real power of the Holy Spirit.  I can honestly say that in all my years in RF, I never truly understood any of this  - I can't solely blame the teaching,  I just never had the hunger for the things of God that I do now.

Love to all, Urchin

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Hi All I have a feeling that proverbs 25.2 is someone who has been on this forum previously under a great many names, Im sure we will remember them ie Godswordmatters is one '

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Reply to : earth5Reply to : Proverbs25v2Reply to : earth5Greetings all, below is a conversation that SU and I started on the shout box thought it may be better served here.Is praise and worship to build up ourselves? or is it to glorify and give glory to God in thanks ?earth5: may need to take this one to the main forum29 May 07, 16:23earth5: praying in the spirit is what builds us up29 May 07, 16:23earth5: not sure I agree with you on that one urch, I beWorship serves Both, I think!In a sense yes, but it is predominatly there to worship God, this is its bilical purpose, not denying the side effect is great thoughearth5welcom to the forumIn statistics there is an equation called "a

Hi there, what you say is very true, and very well put. Speaking as someone who has come through trial and tribulation, and has come out the otherside with a closer relationship with God, I can honestly say my faith was built up by it., and my Joy in the Lord which I never lost is .increased.The saying  "these things are sent to try us" is one you often hear from unbelievers, but we know that it is from scripture, as you have quoted. I do believe that the way I was able to cope with my trial, and still give glory to God in spite of it ,was not only a good testimony to others I came in contact with, but has made me  a  much stronger, and better balanced , and more compassionate Christian.

That dross is awful weighty stuff to carry arround, and sometimes we do need to go through the furnace of much affliction in order to get rid of it .I'm sure that in my case it was Gods purpose for me, for it ulimately led to my leaving RF, and re-discovering  grace, and peace and loving fellowship, with shepherds who  gently lead and guide.

Have'nt  attained 22 carat yet, but then who has in this life ?.Maybe theres more refining to come. I hope not though.

God bless all.

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In statistics there is an equation called "a correlation coefficient" this is used to statistically predict the likelihood of an event happening.
Aaah the joys of stats and well formed formulae!! How I remember the simple pleasures of ANOVA's, ANCOVA's (are they still called that?) and experimental design!

But seriously  ... Certainly some great thoughts about how God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. Sometimes it's so hard to truly believe that as we follow God, eveything works out to our ultimate good.


Conclusion: The purpose of praise and worship is twofold.


FWIW I think a headline which better summarises the argument you present would be "Conclusion: The purpose of trials/tribulations/temptations is twofold".

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