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Date Posted:10/09/2008 10:08 PMCopy HTML

hi i was in the london RF for 15 years and i was told to go 4 years going i would not go in to it as im still very upset about it

ive just found out prw and prm are not the good brothers we loved and thought
as pm son had sex before marriage with now wife was let back in to fellowship before there were married as it  not in the rules we fellowed of the fellowship and by the lord but because he was pm son there let it go and let him and his wife back in 4 months before they were married

now that is not fair as another brother in the lord had sex before marriage was kicked out and his brother has married this woman are still not allowed in fellowship now how does that work can you tell me that

i have always loved the lord and gone by his word
but it hurts me hear this happend

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Re:london revival fellowship how does this work its not on

Date Posted:15/09/2008 10:51 PMCopy HTML

Good morning, Jeremiah.

Some of us do intend to preach the full Gospel, without the obnoxious and unscriptural behaviour of certain oversight.

Sure. But would the inference to the supposed "full gospel" be the Revivalist nonsense of: salvation = dunking + 'tongues'? Or the biblical message of: salvation = God's grace alone through faith in Christ alone?

Intrigued,

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Date Posted:16/09/2008 1:07 AMCopy HTML

None of this surprises me.

It is easy to spot hypocrisy when you have been a hypocrite yourself. Truly, I am not hung up on the past, but I do remain ashamed of my many “revival” moments of bad behaviour. Only last month I felt I had to apologise to a brother for my ignorant crassness whilst he was experiencing marriage difficulties some years back.

I have two old school friends who attend RF, one being in Gillingham UK, the other in Hungary. I remain unhappy at the memory of my influence upon both, and I still cannot believe the stupidity of the things I said to them.

Nevertheless, and before God, I remain in awe of HIM, and recognise the wonder of my life as I perceive it to be. I am grateful for the road I have walked and the things I have seen and been allowed to become involved in.

There will be another day.

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Re:london revival fellowship how does this work its not on

Date Posted:21/09/2008 11:24 PMCopy HTML

hi totohead 

Now ive heard lot of things about PW and PM now pm a great man and he loves his children and like every father would do for his children but and yes theres a but he should stood up and said no this how going to happend and taken son away from this all and told to get married down the road but what ive heard PW not best in the world he nothing but a bully and he will do anything in his power to have the revival fellowship as a church of england...

now ive heard some stuff as well about the a""ens sticking up for what right in the lord and i think they did there best to help to and going by the bible as you may not know the a""nes were kicked out of the lord for sure and told to never come back because they were going by what it says in the bible
but of couse what ive heard PW has in for the a""nes when he came prastor and i know we talking about pm son and should been told you can not come back till are you are married but instead the A""nes were kicked out for good now and what i know of the A""nes they love the lord and have BEEN in lord for along time and they are good people and people love them very much and i know the A""nes since tony and sandra walk though that door with they three children and its upset me to hear this about the a""nes now i agree with you as you say it ITs NOT ON...


now i dont think i ever meet you and i dont really want know happend to you as it still upset you but im so glad you have bring this up because i was thinking im going stay out of this but im not going hide any more 
 
 now come on people its is not long before lord comes back and what we doing playing in the fire

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 now come on people its is not long before lord comes back and what we doing playing in the fire

Ohhh, pressure's on now is it? How long ya reckon? Year or two? Decade? Another century?
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Date Posted:23/09/2008 4:28 PMCopy HTML

dear loving

this is a sister in the lord who loves her brothers and sisters no matter how much I've suffered by hand of a few if we truly love lord we must not become bitter how ever we must stand up for what we know is right the A""nes
just did this GA was told many years ago that he could never be used as oversight as he had been put out for fornication all though happy in lord and his marriage he continued  to  be a good testimony but because he knew his scriptures and was a natural leader he was conceder d a threat  he knew to much he knew a previous PM used  the north london revival fellowship  money to open his own business when he was stepped down from north london they paid him thousands to get rid of him north london people paid over and above thy es to help buy a new hall but to this day they know nothing about it  when GA and TA stood up to the pastors PW felt that GA was responsible for putting lords anointed. PW. PY PM liken themselves to the kings of the old testament and cannot be challenged in the anyway and told TA and GA that it was not there buisness PW said GA had to be brocken and put him down at every opportunity.

When the situation came up that fornicators no longer had to marry but could return if they seemed repentant GA prayed and fasted and looked into the scriptures and went to the oversight
but they would not hear him.

So he went to the dutch pastors who still wouldn't listen and told him to obey his pastor even if he was wrong.

GA tryed but they wouldn't  leave him alone they wanted him say they were right  he did not want to leave but wanted to stay  true to the scriptures so he was put out for heresy the rest is history  but he is still rejoicing in the lord and now looking after about 10 people who just simply love the the lord people who leave do so because they find the constant posturing and politics from pastors who have lost the plot stop them rejoicing in the lord the lord says no man can take your joy but pastors who feel threated can be very carnal in there nature the lord is not pleased stand up and be counted people 
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Date Posted:24/09/2008 11:56 PMCopy HTML

well well i heard GA left but i never knew what for
its a shame because he was a loved person and he has been in the lord for very along time

its funny how things come out about north london as i remmber the day GA sister LA who no long in the lord as well was telling off PW in the streets on an outreach about SA the time that she was kicked out for calling TE a turkey what i found very funny when i found out from a brother in the lord but what i hear LA put him back his place and week later SA was back in lord but its a funny thing LA who came out of fellowship to be in the world had to teach PW a thing or two.

but hearing all this stuff that was going on under our roofs is bad how dare they we put all that money in for a new hall and they took it.  


thanks loving and merty you made my day

i maybe hurting but i still love the lord  

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Date Posted:25/09/2008 6:38 AMCopy HTML

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and he has been in the lord for very along time

 sister LA who no long in the lord as well
 that she was kicked out for calling TE a turkey
 from a brother in the lord
 week later SA was back in lord b


Hey Hey just a little encouragement here... Being a part of the Revival Fellowship or choosing to leave the Revival Fellowship doesn't Biblically equate to being " in " the Lord or "out " of the Lord...

Just to encourage you a little from John's Gospel

" I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand. What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and no one can snatch it out of the Father's hand. The Father and I are one.. " John 10:29

So just take heart Brother that in the great scheme of things, The Father thought you were so special and important to Him that He gave you to the Son, His Son as a special Gift from Him, your Heavenly Daddy...


If I were Didaktikon, I would equate returning to Revival Churches as 'backsliding' so press and move on Brother. In fact if I look back over my many years, I would hardly believe I was ever a part of it once. Didi still likes to drop in from time to time to say his hellos but I shook the Revival dust from my feet many years ago and I would be very unlikely ever to front their doorsteps ever again..

If there is anything that is "out of the Lord" , it is more likely the Revival Fellowship corporately as a unit..

Brother you're not "out of the Lord" unless you personally choose to do so. The Revival Fellowship have no say in the matter with regards to your position in Christ...

blessings

Disciple  

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Date Posted:16/10/2008 6:30 AMCopy HTML

Hey Guys this situation with GA and all the stuff that went on is a very interesting topic.
If from what I read here that we should forgive peoples sins then the oversight were right to embrace the "sinners" (personally all have sinned) and restore them to fellowship.
GA and the rest of the A''ens are strong on the scritures but may not be on the adminstration of the scriptures.
What I mean is that sometimes (and is the case for us all) we talk the scriptures but do not live them.
I think it may have been easier to hold your opinion and wait on the Lord for an answer.
we seem to spend more time complaining than leaning and trusting that the Lord will sort it out.
We are his people we need to learn to trust.
I sit here at work thinking my work place is similar to the church personalities get in the way of the work.
I remeber peter odowling once gave a talk how absolom was the only person to really hurt King David his Father.
I think personalties get in the way of our walk in the Lord.
The Lord is coming back for the overcomer.
We need to be content in our life before we can start topoint the finger at anyone.
I have had to Find this out for myself and now things may still frutrate me but it dies not effect me because I am content with my walk in the Lord.

If you can say the same then good luck to you. 


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Date Posted:23/10/2008 2:48 PMCopy HTML

Hi totohead.  So everything's great in London huh?

I can't claim to have been in London Rev for as long as you.  I only did like three years but in that time I was pretty acquainted with the various people and power groups and interests going on.

In my experience PM was an ok guy - he was very pleasant to me personally and the same goes to the whole Plhll family.  Having said that it was interesting to see the kinds of effects being pastor had on pm - the effects of eg. working so closely with pw on his projects for London.  All I can really say is that ultimately you should not really be a pastor of a church like rev fellship if you want to be a decent guy unless you are strong enough to change parts of the church for the better -but really rev fellship can only really operate as a disfunctional cult imo.  Take away SEPARATION, take away TONGUES DOCTRINE, take away SUBMIT TO THE OVERSIGHT, SHUNNING and all sorts of other rules and it would stop being a cult but this is what Revfell is.  Seeing as it is a disfunctional cult then regular and frequent abuses of power will always be par for the course.  The oversight is not accountable and operates like big brother without the cute female voice.

So I really understand your anger at certain parties in the church --- when I left I had similar issues.... and I understand that you still have a love for your Christ and God but consider alternative ways of serving him rather than going to a small bunch of people who have (what everyone knows) is a completely shitty distorted warped view of how to practice this faith.  Other normal churches may not be right but at least they allow you to get a second opinion.  Which doctor would you trust more? --The one who has the proper qualifications and tells you that you have a certain illness and explains why and gives you a range of options and says you can seek a second opinion if you wish or.... a self-proclaimed doctor who never passed any medical exams, is considered a quack by other professionals and says hey buddy don't listen to them lot I'll tell you what's wrong with you... take my special medicine every day and nothing else ever and dont dont dont listen to what them silly 'doctors' with their so called 'qualifications' tell you!... they're just a bunch of phonies.  Which one is the more trustworthy??

I been following the recent Anonymous campaigns against scientologists in London.  RF is not in the same league as Scientology but it is on the same lines. 

And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price / I have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice
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Good morning, Jeremiah.

For interest's sake, this new group that has recently been formed, is it now Christian? That is, has the Christian gospel replaced the tired, unbiblical and heretical Revivalist "salvation message"?

Blessings,

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Jeremiah,

The Revivalist "1-2-3" doctrine is wrong, make no mistake about it, and any group that preaches it can't be called Christian. It seems, then, that your "new" group is simply another form of the 50 years old Longfeldian heresy

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Jeremiah,

Given that the "edit" function seems to be on the "blink", this addendum should be read in parallel with my previous post.

Okay. If you think the issue with your beliefs is a simple "conflating" of the "administration" with the "doctrine", then might I suggest that you take the time to read those posts that deal directly, and only, with the Revivalist doctrine itself? Mine would be a good place to start

Put simply, your beliefs aren't biblical, bud.

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Balaam99,

I checked out the doctrine comprehensively a long time ago, and it is correct.

Is that so? Might I be so bold as to ask, did you happen to have a Bible open beside you as you undertook this task?

I spent many years in churches which did not preach salvation according to the Bible pattern.

I know. How long were you in the Revival Centres International and the Revival Fellowship for, again?

There was no power, no ability to overcome problems, and no spiritual gifts, and lots more lacking too.

Again, I know. But if you'd left Revivalism sooner, and tried a Christian church instead, you would have found all that you were seeking and more, and then in spades! Now I appreciate that it would have been very difficult for you to put aside your unbiblical biases and ingrained heresies, but it's amazing what can be achieved when one leans upon the Holy Spirit as a guide in one's quest for truth

But then, on 30th May 1976, I was baptised by full immersion and received the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Wow! Silly me! And here it is that I thought what you were describing above WAS your experience in Revivalism (nah ... only kidding) smiley9

I had only been at an RCI, as it them was, meeting for a few hours, and had no time to be indoctrinated. What happened was from the Lord, I knew it then, and still know it now.

Indeed it was. He goes by the title, the "Lord of the Flies". Do you know what is truly scary about all of this? You haven't a clue that you haven't a clue! You're so blissfully wrapped up in your un-biblical (and thoroughly un-miraculous) nonsense, that you wouldn't be able to recognise scriptural truth were I to slam you between the eyes with an open Bible. Scary and terribly sad.

Please do yourself and me a big favour and don't try to portray truth as lies again. It does not work. I have heard it all before, and none of the proponents of so-called Christianity without the Holy Spirit have anything tangible to offer.

Well, well. And you're different from that which you just left again, how exactly? Let's see. Deluded? 'Check'. Conceited and boastful? 'Check'. Biblically and theologically ignorant? 'Check'. Spiritually immature? 'Check'. Hopelessly naive? 'Check'. Walks like a duck? 'Check'. Quacks like a duck? 'Check'. But you claim that you're not a duck, eh?

Bloke, please, please, please do try to defend your whacky beliefs here. I double dare you smiley9

Goose.

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Given your views, I reckon I should probably start calling you "Balaam666" rather than "Jeremiah99"

Anyway ...

You might not have noticed as much (given the Revivalist penchant for selective reading and all), but I've already thoroughly refuted your novel (read, "heretical") beliefs, and then from Scripture. You know? The B-I-B-L-E? So might I suggest that you take a little time to read, consider and digest what I've written, then crack open that dusty old tome labeled "KJV" to compare? Once you've done so, why don't do you get back to me, so as to "astound" me with your hermeneutical abilities?smiley12

Goose (who thinks he's a swan).

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hello all this is very funny reading all of this 

north london are filled with children in a play ground doing as they are told by the big bad wolf and by his little fellows saying yes sir three begs full sir 

what happend to the people who love the lord and going by his name singing and peaching  his word but WHERE HAS IT GONE 

a place where the brothers who really are men in the world  

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i hear things everyday about this web page by a brother and a sister in the lord and we sit down and talk about why brothers and sisters talk on here and we have come up with the fact that we love the lord and we want do by his name and understand it

NL
 
PW:  IS A WOLF
PM : A BROTHER WHO DO ANYTHING FOR THE LORD AND
PY: WELL WHERE TO START WELL APART FROM BEING PRETTY
TE: WHO LIKES TO KEEP THE PEACE
MG: WHO HAS NO IDEAR AND IS A LET DOWN TO OTHERS WHEN NEEDED

I KNOW THOSE MAN AND ALL THERE CARE ABOUT IS BEING IN POWER
 

AND WE DIDNT START THIS REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP AS WAR WE STARTED IT TO LOVE THE LORD

LETS PRAY LETS TALK ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS THAT LORD DONE FOR US LET SHOW THAT WE ARE THE TURE REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP  FJ

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Talking of which, I see that DF has finally renewed the domain registration on the UK web site. It had been shut down. But I don't know why he bothers, as it has been in redevelopment for several years now and is just an embarrassment. Another who vainly thinks he can do something, and fails miserably.


Zut alors the famous non-website has miraculously been jump started.   Praise the lord.   I think when I first started in London it was still all under rev.org or something like that ooh that's another story and a half.

Looks like all direct reference to bi is removed instead a "we believe the bible identifies modern nations" is stated.  Overall it seems to be the same old stuff except that there's an under construction blog page.

Through the links to trf newsletters I found a rather interesting article

http://www.revivalfellowship.nl/reports/2008/eu_jul_aug_2008.pdf

It's standard revivalist preaching about how members must blacklist people who ask too many questions.  Someone obviously had their Strong's to hand for they printed the hebrew smiley7and also the ancient greek word 'goggusmos' ...

Every assembly, which has been around for a while, has in it’s vicinity a “Goggusmosses-club”. While most people who leave go back to their old life and create only problems for themselves these Goggusmosses clubs seem to have made it their main goal to create problems for our faithful brothers and sisters. This is a problem, mostly caused by the need to justify themselves for leaving us. These people are not hard to recognize, they mostly say things like: “We are not leaving the Lord, we just don’t want to stay with you” Amazingly these people become sometimes very active enemies.
Some of them are very good at keeping
tabs on what is going on in the RF and
are amazingly well informed(!)

....
It is obvious that Paul recognized how murmuring could and would have a negative effect on the development of the churches. The “normal” 25% who would be continuing with their walk in the Lord, would be drastically lowered by this phenomena.smiley2
.......
So, we won’t want to listen to the “Goggusmossen”, in fact we should avoid them. All they do is provide us  with “filters” in our ears and “dark glasses” for our eyes. All the positives get filtered out and the negatives get highlighted.smiley26
And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price / I have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice
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This is a problem, mostly caused by the need to justify themselves for leaving us. These people are not hard to recognize, they mostly say things like: “We are not leaving the Lord, we just don’t want to stay with you” Amazingly these people become sometimes very active enemies.

Ha, I remember getting this newsletter and at the time seeing the hypocrisy therein. When someone leaves TRF, a big stink is created to jusify why he/she is no longer in TRF. 'They hung their hat on music', 'They no longer wanted to follow the LORD'. 'They had issues', 'They lost their love for the LORD' etc.

Active enemies? I am an active enemy to anyone not upholding the authority of the scriptures from the very first verse. In other words, anyone calling God a liar.

For anyone interested, or recognising me, I'm the colourful guy in the yellow t-shirt on the right hand side sat on the wall (TRF German Group photo). Well, my user name gave that away ages ago anyway ;) I had nothing to hide, not shame and that's why Pr.P, who watches this forum, was able to know me instantly. I think all the talks are generated from here in fact, ha, then the others in Europe just re-hash what Pr.P says without thinking about it until confronted about the unscriptural nature (RE: My final meeting/the unrest in the meeting when a talk was interrupted)

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