Hey Luderitz guy...I do remember you and Dogmafreee well!

Its great to hear you are both going well too.

Don't get me wrong, there were elements to Darryl and Pastor Alan that I liked, however the fact they now as a group seem to have mellowed out is even more of an inditement on how the fellowship handled matters in the past.

Who is going to go around and apologise all those shattered people that have left the group over the years due to their past actions?

Those actions are irreversible. Pure and simple.

There are so many areas where this group fall down (twisting and contorting chapter and verse in a way that houdini would be proud of) and maybe its the way that this group was and maybe still IS that has me now personally as an agnostic at best.

Religion and the fervour of a belief system in something supposedly exclusively better than any other is undoubtedly one of the main causes of hate, war and strife in this world we live in.

I am not a wrap on muslims either due to their frothing racist and exclusive attitudes (particularly after living in Sydney for five years) and I put the Revival Fellowship/Centres in precisely the same bucket.

I often think John Lennon nailed it best in his song 'Imagine' far better than any preacher from a platform could ever annunciate.

Treat people nice, live a full and rewarding life - right here and right now. My heads spins in how much my family and I have enjoyed and achieved since leaving the Revival Fellowship. Its been the making of me.

...and I havent fellowshipped anywhere since departing this cult in 1997. No house leader sermons anywhere! :-P

This church needs to take the scriptures about whited sepulchres on board for themselves. It appears they may have toned down their act, however I am sure the old habits of exclusivity and physical appearance issues (the short hair cuts, no ear rings on guys etc etc) make them as dodgy as the Mormons in my book.

All show, show, show.

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pastor K, if that is KQ - in my opinion is a good guy. i grew up with him. spent my first two church years at fiona street morley. and last i heard, he was having trouble with his son leaving... one of those things which force some pastors to either mess-up their families or become really open minded and reasonable. so i'm not surprised to hear about him being cool and encouraging.

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My now-husband and I went to pastor Kevin when we made a mistake and YELLED at us that fornicators go to hell, and that if we did it again we would go to hell.

He also said the same thing to a couple that had just started going out and hadn't done anything wrong! He told them that if they did they would burn in hell.

He doesn't strike me as being cool and encouraging. He didn't even pray for us, he told us we couldn't get married on church property and that we couldn't have more than 30 people there because we'd shamed the church, our families, ourselves and god. He then didn't ring us for 2 months and then called up one day and demanded to know why we hadn't called him.

good guy???

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Reply to : Pastor Vengerpastor K, if that is KQ - in my opinion is a good guy. i grew up with him. spent my first two church years at fiona street morley. and last i heard, he was having trouble with his son leaving... one of those things which force some pastors to either mess-up their families or become really open minded and reasonable. so i'm not surprised to hear about him being cool and encouraging.My now-husband and I went to pastor Kevin when we made a mistake and YELLED at us that fornicators go to hell, and that if we did it again we would go to hell.He also said the same thing to a couple that had just started going out and hadn't done anything wrong! He told them that if they did they would burn in hell.He doesn't strike me as being c

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sounds like this guys understanding of scripture is about zero. hang in there SET FREE

Understanding scripture is one thing, remember Satan understands scripture better than most. What we need to see is Leaders & Pastors with SHEPHERDS hearts (few and far between). King David got into so much strife, but in the end the Lord knew he had a SHEPHERDS HEART. Anyone can LOrd it over the sheep. Just look at the tragedies spread across every level of this forum. Good people suffering crap from LEADERS!!!!! what a joke. How about a servant or 2. These guys are proving to wreck more works than they'll ever build. You know when someone starts to get it right you'll see some fruit, and the LORD will add daily. We haven't   seen that for years

Hi I just wanted to say that "partially free" who started this thread is my brother.  He did leave Revival for a short while back when he was writing those posts.  I was upset to see those brothers that he lived with- kick him out and act so extreme- he came and lived with me for a few months.  He moved to Bunbury for work. He came across some literature about the Holy Spirit etc- from a pentecostal source(not Revival)-  and along with me encouraging him to go back to Revival- he did.

I hunted on the internet with my limited connection- to find any churches that believed in tongues for salvation- because PK basically said that there is none. ( I later found out there is actually a few- and that he did know about them- but just didn't tell us..)

I then  found some information about the United Pentecostal Church-(UPC)-(By the way they also believe that tongues is for salvation.) and saw from the Scriptures that when people did get baptised it was in the name of Jesus- (Not Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Later I found out that they think that if you haven't been baptised in the name of Jesus- your baptism is invalid.   ??

 So I went along there- they have a church in Malaga- and another one in Yangebup-Beeliar (Within a few kilometres of Revival's Yangebup meeting!) You can see there sign every sunday on Beeliar Rd.

I was also interested in their Jesus only pov-the modalistic view on the Godhead. Later I find out that they rekon people that believe in the trinity idea are worshipping multiple god's.        ??

Similar to Revival- they sit you down and "prove" there views of Scripture are 'right'.   So I started agreeing with the idea. It only lasted a few weeks though!

I got baptised again and then encouraged my brother too aswell!!!  When Pator Kevin heard from someone that I got baptised again- he apparently said "that's not on" and told my husband I was 'out of fellowship'...and if I wanted to return there I'd have to call PK first. Anyway... So my brother came along there too- and was getting into it... Though it wasn't long before we realised they had  many things happening that we didn't agree with.

We studied more- and talked for hours about the Godhead....and baptism. (at this stage we didn't question at all about the tongues-for-salvation doctrine- because we still believed it. I couldn't think outside the box then.

When I first  discovered that they had rules about women not cutting there hair, and not wearing trousers/jeans, and not wearing make-up...etc I thought that was cool... but when I saw it in action... I realised that it wasn't.

It seemed that you could 'measure' a womans godliness by the length of her hair...as if!!!  I also saw women with expensive hair clips in...and I started thinking ...so whats the diffence between a fancy hairclip and some jewellery?

As for wearing pants- Pants are made for women these days- they look more feminine normally... it's not like women really wear men's jeans!!! 

I just thought all this stuff was so outward and  external- and it doesnt show what is in your heart necessarily -at all! -it just seems to lead to being judgemental about stuff that is not really important.

I watched a video of a woman preaching who freaked me right out with her loudness- and fierceness- she was scary.

In the end I just didn't agree that the words said at someone's baptism had the power to make it valid or invalid.

 I think that when a believer in Jesus is getting baptised- what matters is their heart- if they are getting baptised because they want to follow and obey Jesus.... ( obviously they are getting baptised in His name-(whether it is said out loud or not)- and when people are baptised in the name of the "Father, Son and Holy spirit"- Jesus is the Son! - so they are obviously mentioning the Lord Jesus- the only Son of God.

We also realised that we didn't fully believe in their modalistic view- a lot of things just did not add up. We know that Jesus is the Son of God- and Scripture also says that He is also the image of the invisible God. It starts getting really messy when you start trying to understand exactly who or what God is. I just don't think that our limited brains can understand Him properly.

So we left there- within a month or so- I returned to Revival.  Later on my brother returned their too.

Life went on for another8-9 months... until...

About 3 months ago- (when I got broadband!)  We started searching for more information on the internet about our beliefs. He is in Japan teaching English. I talk to him regularly on messenger. We have great chats about the Lord, and the Bible and churches!  He also left Revival again... (well he was only getting 'talks' emailed to him!- there's no Revival Fellowship in Japan. 

We left because we started really seeing that there is a lot of Scripture that doesn't add up with the tongues fro salvation message. 1 Corinthians 12 came alive to me again...and I saw other peoples opinions on  the Scriptures that Revival use  to back up their salvation message-  we had never  hardly any access to these different points of view- and we were definitely discouraged from seeking any. I was told by a lot of people that I was a "silly girl" for reading information about the Bible- from other sources.... -other than information written by Revival Fellowsip people of course.

When I used to search for information- it was with my preconceived idea that tongues is for today. So I was pro pentecostal/charismatic in my belief. I actually thought outside the box for a moment -and considered the idea that the gifts had actually ceased...  I still don't know what to make of tongues...but I'm pretty sure you dont actually have to speak in tongues to be saved.  I haven't spoken in tongues now for about 3 months ( except for a couple of times- for a split second- when I got freaked out about some incidents- but as soon as i did it -I caught myself and stopped.) My brother has stopped too.  We don't know if our tongues- or any of the "tongues" around today- is really the same as the "tongues" talked about in the Bible. Is it psychological? can it be from satan? ???

 ( If you've got some ideas  have a look at the "Is tongues for salvation...etc" thread and comment...)

I'm glad that God gave me an enquiring mind. I think it's wrong for churches to discourage people from seeking alternative ideas. It's like mind control. I'm happy to have an internet connection that allows me to find information on any topic- from sources in the whole world. The internet is great if used in the right way- eg; for good things...not for evil.

I know that my brother loves the Lord. 

 I know that we haven't fallen away.

We want to serve God and obey Him as much as we ever did.

We are still seeking to meet with other believers with similar faith to us. So you'll all be happy to note that "partially free"/ my brother is safe -and well -and happy- out of Revival fellowship.  Amen.

Glad to hear that you and you bro are all good

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