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 Congratulations Galien,
I want to be down at the bottom to.
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 I want to thank you Galien, (and Ian) reading the above conversation is beautiful!! "ian you clearly subscribe to a top down heirarchy system with the clever boots at the top graduating down tot he scum at the bottom. in my mind and heart everyone is equal, level playing field" It says it all, really. I think Jesus is going to be sitting with the 'scum' at the bottom. :glad:
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Didaktikon: BG. Well, if you've reached that conclusion then I can but note that your comprehension of the written word hasn't improved much. Ian

Absolutely priceless !!!!!!
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CD,

You do realise that Ian constanly affirmed the concept of *mutual* accountability and BG was either being ironic or showing she missed the gist of Ian's side of the conversation?

Heck, I've been attending a local branch of the same denomination Ian's been attending (a Baptist union church) and there's more *institutionalised* accountability than the local scout group I was part of as a kid, and that reflects a general attitude of the *whole* congregation.

For crying out loud, recognising someone's "gifting" and expertise as a teacher, evangelist or whatever doesn't mean giving them positional authority (to use management-science-speak). From a biblical perspective it means they have a  responsibility to serve *me* (and others) with that gift/expertise - if necessary as "iron sharpening iron". This is *precisely* what Ian has modelled for at least the time I've been on this forum. He has *always* said "Show me where I'm wrong".

The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
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Talmid,

You do realise that Ian constanly affirmed the concept of *mutual* accountability and BG was either being ironic or showing she missed the gist of Ian's side of the conversation?

I can say that Ian has spent considerable time and effort honing his skills with the Greek language and what that reveals to us in the English language, is of some benefit to me  referring to the Bible Texts of course.
He also has me at times "diving for the dictionary" although he may not take too much delight in that alone.
I do feel as though he "oversteps his area" at times.
Any attempt, by Ian to try to teach Galien anything, will be rejected by her, now, and about 50 light years from now. It would be wise if he could recognize it.
As for yourself, and eric and a few others, well thats different.
Escaping "Revivalism" as its called here, means  to me, seeking out and  listening to a teacher, who is "Kind", "talks and teaches in a manner that is appealing",  "knows how to get along with most everyone"
"will admit at times when he is wrong" " being highly approachable" "one who seeks out the spirit, regarding what to speak on, at the meetings"

Ian mostly, might be something like I just printed above, for you, but "not for me".
However, conversely,  I have available, many dvd's of the "worlds preachers" and only listen to about 2 preachers,  due to time constraints, and limited interest.
 
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Brian,

I can say that Ian has spent considerable time and effort honing his skills with the Greek language and what that reveals to us in the English language, is of some benefit to me  referring to the Bible Texts of course.

Of course. But only when such doesn't disprove your pet theology, I'd wager.

He also has me at times "diving for the dictionary" although he may not take too much delight in that alone.

Well I would've thought that you should be happy rather than bemoaning the fact, as I suppose you'd be "smarter" as a consequence of being put through the exercise!

Any attempt, by Ian to try to teach Galien anything, will be rejected by her, now, and about 50 light years from now. It would be wise if he could recognize it.

And now to be serious. I'm perfectly aware that Galien is neither wired nor willing to accept anything that conflicts with the way she processes information or views the world. One doesn't need to be an Einstein to note this, as her approach and reactions are so "text-book" typically Revivalist in this respect. But, just as I do with you, I present Galien with material that provides her with opportunity for making informed choices. Whether she or you actually goes to the trouble of engaging with the material is largely irrelevant to me (to be honest, I have no expectations concerning either of you). But the way that the two of you respond provides enlightening and informative examples to others who are a little more open to questioning what they believe to be true, and (more importantly) why.

Escaping "Revivalism" as its called here, means  to me, seeking out and  listening to a teacher, who is "Kind", "talks and teaches in a manner that is appealing",  "knows how to get along with most everyone" "will admit at times when he is wrong" " being highly approachable" "one who seeks out the spirit, regarding what to speak on, at the meetings".

Effectively, you equate "Revivalism" with simply the social dysfunction. Again this is typical of the Revivalist mentality, one which altogether fails to appreciate that theology informs beliefs, beliefs inform ethics and ethics inform practices. In other words, the social dysfunction is, itself, nothing more than the "caboose" at the end of the train. It's the doctrinal dysfunction which is the "engine", and which drags the whole sordid system along.

I have available, many dvd's of the "worlds preachers" and only listen to about 2 preachers,  due to time constraints, and limited interest.

I'm guessing what these DVD "preachers" have to say doesn't "tickle your fancy", huh?

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CD

OK. I truly appreciate your "measured" response.

Just for the record, while I do go to Ian for "teaching" and advice from time to time, it's far less often than when I was first coming to grips wtih RF's false doctrine. I find that advice sage, but he ain't my pastor. I *am* taking up a suggestion of his to do some "basic training" through Tyndale College, but even there he hasn't been appointed my tutor. For the record, my *pastoral* support and general teaching comes from my local church. (And of course, none of this is to ignore that which God shows in "my prayer closet"!)
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Any attempt, by Ian to try to teach Galien anything, will be rejected by her, now, and about 50 light years from now. It would be wise if he could recognize it.

And now to be serious. I'm perfectly aware that Galien is neither wired nor willing to accept anything that conflicts with the way she processes information or views the world. One doesn't need to be an Einstein to note this, as her approach and reactions are so "text-book" typically Revivalist in this respect.

Ian, you really can be such a nob. My position has nothing to do with revival. My approach has to do with not wanting to be involved with insitutionalised anything. It may float your boat buddy, but with your text book military/heirarchy bent, why the hell wouldn't it. You get to be the top cocky with obsequious minions gazing on in raptured amazement. Of course you love it, you embrace it, you bask in it. Whatever.

Dont lump me in with anyone thanks.

But, just as I do with you, I present Galien with material that provides her with opportunity for making informed choices. Whether she or you actually goes to the trouble of engaging with the material is largely irrelevant to me (to be honest, I have no expectations concerning either of you). But the way that the two of you respond provides enlightening and informative examples to others who are a little more open to questioning what they believe to be true, and (more importantly) why.

You present me with the same tired bullshit I have heard 50 times before. I already KNOW Ian. Which part of that do you not understand? You have no expectations Ian because you simply don't give a **** at all about either of us. I know what I believe and why it is true, but you would be the last person I would bother explaining it to.

Effectively, you equate "Revivalism" with simply the social dysfunction. Again this is typical of the Revivalist mentality, one which altogether fails to appreciate that theology informs beliefs, beliefs inform ethics and ethics inform practices. In other words, the social dysfunction is, itself, nothing more than the "caboose" at the end of the train. It's the doctrinal dysfunction which is the "engine", and which drags the whole sordid system along.

We know this too Ian, its more like we dont care. Its your hobby horse buddy, not ours, we have lives.

I'm guessing what these DVD "preachers" have to say doesn't "tickle your fancy", huh?

Most of what they all say is crap. Since when could human beings not work out for themselves what the bible says. You "teachers, preachers, apostles or whatever you think you are" really are a pack of snake oil salesmen.
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Galien,

Whether you care to accept it or not, your approach and your reactions to being presented with biblical teaching and theological material are typically Revivalist (hence my comparing of you to Brian). 

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Whether you care to accept it or not, your approach and your reactions to being presented with biblical teaching and theological material are typically Revivalist (hence my comparing of you to Brian). 

Ian, it works both ways. Your approach is typically academic and authoritarian. And like most academics, you look down on the rest of us who simply cannot be bothered. The "orthodox church" does not own the word of god. It belongs to all of us equally.
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Hi, Galien.

I'd agree with you to a point: the Word of God belongs to God, and consequently, is not a matter of private and individualistic interpretation.

Blessings,

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Hi, Galien.

I'd agree with you to a point: the Word of God belongs to God, and consequently, is not a matter of private and individualistic interpretation.

Thats right Ian, not you, not me and NOT the orthodox church. But since you believe the "orthodox church" a man made organisation, to be the body of christ, then there is nothing left for us to discuss.
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Galien,

Still not open to being corrected, are you? God "inscripturated" his Word and entrusted it to his Church. Consequently, it's within the Church's corporate teaching that one finds the correct meaning of the Word of God both explicated and applied. However, it's been my experience that those who stand outside of the Church, and who refuse point-blank to accept such teaching, are generally those who make the most noise about the superiority of their "private" understanding and interpretations of Scripture.

I choose to subordinate and align my opinions to the wisdom that's found within the Body of Christ, the Church. And you?

Ian   

P.S. What's this "orthodox church" you speak of? as if it's some sort of monolithic, single denomination?

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Galien,

Still not open to being corrected, are you?

Not by you.

God "inscripturated" his Word and entrusted it to his Church. Consequently, it's within the Church's corporate teaching that one finds the correct meaning of the Word of God both explicated and applied.

Corporate teaching gleaned from where? History? So that makes it all nice and correct does it? Or are you so doughy in your own mind you are no longer able to think for yourself. Do you need to attach yourself to something that has "respect" and "history" to make sure it is correct?

However, it's been my experience that those who stand outside of the Church, and who refuse point-blank to accept such teaching,

I don't refuse teaching Ian. I know you think everyone who doesn't agree with you does exactly that, but that is simply not the case. I have my own mind, I can work things out for myself thanks.

I choose to subordinate and align my opinions to the wisdom that's found within the Body of Christ, the Church.

Your own conclusions not good enough Ian? You have to run to the church fathers to have them verified? Knock yourself out. Clearly you would never have the balls to stand alone.

And you?

Me? Im an adult Ian, I don't need to be parented by human beings thanks. Not in my private life, not in my spiritual life. God is my father, I look to him.

You can go on telling everyone you like their relationship with god is a fantasy. Revivals trained you well. Some of us are grown ups Ian who can work life out for ourselves with no need to be propped up by an organisation of any kind. Clearly you need the respect and approval of these groups for some reason. I don't. They are NOT GOD. That is what got me into trouble in revival the whole time. The organisation was not god, but they thought they were. Now you have hooked yourself up to another bunch, but one that has more cred this time in wider society and the academic world.

You want to continue deciding for other people whjo is part of the body of christ and who isnt based on who will conform to an organisation who thinks they own the word of god, fine. You are on a slippery slope my friend. Just like the revivals.

Some of us are no longer arrogant enough to believe we have all the answers. We believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven. God has touched out hearts with the faith to believe. You argue the point like his existence is a proven fact, when it simply isn't, but at no point do you ever actually address that issue.
 
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Galien,

So tell me again why I was wrong associating your thought processes with Revivalism, exactly?

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So tell me again why I was wrong associating your thought processes with Revivalism, exactly?

Ian this is EXACTLY the same argument I used to have with them, the reason being that like you, they thought they had all the answers. You say EXACTLY the same things they used to, for EXACTLY the same reasons. YOU believe yourself to be THE authority. So did they. They weren't, and neither are you. But you are more clever than that aren't you. If you have history, tradition and academia on your side, then you must be right.

I am a gifted person, something I have discovered only recently. One of the things that means is that we don't take too kindly to authority, usually because the "authority" is not as smart as we are, and we know it. I always knew there was something not right, but I could never quite put a finger on it. Who I am has nothing to do with revival Ian. Nothing. It has to do with me knowing myself well enough, and respecting myself well enough to have confidence in my own experiences, and the conclusions I have drawn from them. If you are so unsure of yourself that you need external reassurance, thats okay. I don't.

Ian, there is a place far beyond conventional wisdom of ALL kinds, you may wish to explore it one day. But to do it, you may have to let go of everything that gives you security.

Oh and Ian, I notice you didn't address my question AGAIN.
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Galien,

Actually this isn't about me and never has been. It is, however, about the teaching of the Christian Church and the place that the Christian's individual opinions are to be found therein. But it's been interesting/entertaining watching you attempt to present all of this as if it were simply a case of me interjecting with my own personal ideas and opinions (as if native intelligence wassomehow the key).

Finally, you've mentioned your supposed "giftedness" quite a bit on here of late. I hope you'll excuse me, but I certainly haven't seen any evidence to support the claim. Quite to the contrary in fact.

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Actually this isn't about me and never has been. It is, however, about the teaching of the Christian Church and the place that the Christian's individual opinions are to be found therein. But it's been interesting/entertaining watching you attempt to present all of this as if it were simply a case of me interjecting with my own personal ideas and opinions (as if native intelligence wassomehow the key).

Ian I can assure you I am not the only person who thinks it is all about your personal ideas and opinions. I know you think you are the holder of some great and wonderful thing passed down through the ages, the holder to the keys of the kingdom. So do the catholics, the jw's, the revivals. I don't know why you cannot see it is no different. Because you studied it at uni, and because you beleive it down to the souls of your feet to be true? You still can't prove it is true.

Finally, you've mentioned your supposed "giftedness" quite a bit on here of late. I hope you'll excuse me, but I certainly haven't seen any evidence to support the claim. Quite to the contrary in fact.

Giftedness is not about what you think it is Ian, but then most things aren't. It is about being different, not better, not superior. I suspect you wouldn't understand that, with your paradigms they way they are, particularly with your hierarchy problem. Its just a different way of perceiving the world.

Whatever, you will go on believing what you believe. You will continue to tell others it is the correct thing, and some will buy it. Some won't. At no point have I claimed that what I believe is superior in some way, or asked anyone else to believe it. Strangely I believe pretty much the same things you do, but unlike you, I can separate the man made organisation of the orthodox church from the entity I AM. I do not worship the church Ian, and I never will.
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Galien,

Do you actually read the stuff you type before you press "enter"?

I particularly liked this comment of yours: "Giftedness is not about what you think it is Ian, but then most things aren't. It is about being different, not better, not superior." I found it a little difficult reconciling that with this: "I am a gifted person, something I have discovered only recently. One of the things that means is that we don't take too kindly to authority, usually because the "authority" is not as smart as we are, and we know it." Hence my previous comment.

Sorry, but I don't see any evidence of you being half as smart/clever/"gifted" as you believe yourself to be. You seem to struggle reading simple prose and comprehending the gist therein, and you don't seem to believe yourself needing to learn anything from anyone. So if you're "gifted", it's with respect to the ego.

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Do you actually read the stuff you type before you press "enter"?

Sure do.

I particularly liked this comment of yours: "Giftedness is not about what you think it is Ian, but then most things aren't. It is about being different, not better, not superior." I found it a little difficult reconciling that with this: "I am a gifted person, something I have discovered only recently. One of the things that means is that we don't take too kindly to authority, usually because the "authority" is not as smart as we are, and we know it." Hence my previous comment.

Perhaps I should have said "doesn't know what we know." There now, that better?

Sorry, but I don't see any evidence of you being half as smart/clever/"gifted" as you believe yourself to be. You seem to struggle reading simple prose and comprehending the gist therein, and you don't seem to believe yourself needing to learn anything from anyone. So if you're "gifted", it's with respect to the ego.

Okay. I know you don't get it. It's not about being clever Ian. It's about not just being outside the square, but outside the game. It is seeing the game for what it is, and refusing to play.

I don't struggle reading anything, except maybe boring as batshit exegesis, and the struggle there is to actually stay awake. I suppose your assessment of my "ego" comes from the long years you have known me does it? You know nothing about me Ian. Nothing.
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I think to learn to understand the Bible and follow it is the most important authority to be under. its when we put too much faith in our own judgements we get into trouble. if Adam and Eve were around today I am sure they would give the same advise. I only trust my own judgement when its in harmony with the Word of God. There is a huge difference between Ian and revival believers. Ian is only relaying what he has found in the Bible through carefull, educated and no doubt prayerful study. This sets him, and many like him apart from revivalists in that they dont come under authority. Same in a way as the typical world view today of self importance.
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I think to learn to understand the Bible and follow it is the most important authority to be under.

I agree there prezy.

its when we put too much faith in our own judgements we get into trouble. if Adam and Eve were around today I am sure they would give the same advise. I only trust my own judgement when its in harmony with the Word of God.

Again I agree. I trust my judgement also when it is in harmony with the world of god. I am also aware of when it isn't.

There is a huge difference between Ian and revival believers. Ian is only relaying what he has found in the Bible through carefull, educated and no doubt prayerful study. This sets him, and many like him apart from revivalists in that they dont come under authority. Same in a way as the typical world view today of self importance.


Again this thing with authority. It isnt about self importance. My experience has been that if one loves god and loves his word, one cannot fail to come under its authority. I have lived under its authority most of my life. What I object to is anyone getting in between me and my god. My love for him and relationship with him is personal. The word of god is part of my personality, it is who I am. After almost having that taken from me by lying revivalists, would it be smart of me to ever let anyone in there again?

I have seen a massive amount of devastation in the lives of people by churches, as many of us have. Not just in revival, but in my study of spiritual abuse and cults since I got booted out of revival I have been horrified by the things I have read and the personal experiences I have had related to me. It is across denominations, both protestant and catholic, not just pentecostal churches or strange sects.

The problem seems to be human nature. Christians just don't seem to want to let it go. You put people in a group and they almost always act the same way. There are millions of disenfranchised christians in the world now who won't touch a church because they are so tired of being hurt by those who should be loving them the most. It breaks my heart every day. Imagine how god feels when his people are often a joke. I don't like it much when the word christian in a room of people brings an automatic eyeroll. Surely we can do better than that.

My understanding and experience of being a christian is that god changes us from the inside, line upon line, precept upon precept until we see the world for what it really is. As we become more of him and less of us, how can we fail to want to change it, to show others the love of jesus, to fully value all other human beings the way god does? We are urged in the bible to not conform to the ways of this world. Sadly,  we throw worldly rubbish into the church, including this pathetic chain of command rubbish. Just because god has given us different gifts, it does not give any of us the right to be lording it over others and demanding they come under authority.

Coming under the authority of god is a choice made through love. You can't force people into it, because then it isn't real. Surely we all learnt that from revival, didn't we?
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Galien,

Let me suggest two things. First, you're thoroughly inconsistent. You will say one thing then go on to contradict yourself a short time later. Second, you aren't prepared to have your "understanding" of the Word or God scrutinised and corrected by those who know it far better than you. That's simple arrogance.

To summarise, what I've seen of your handling of Scripture to date infers a remarkably shallow, thoroughly individualistic, haphazard and idiosyncratic approach to matters; one neither informed by context or history. Seriously, you need to be taken by the hand and shown "what's-what" as your perspective simply ain't reality.

But will your ego allow correction?

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Let me suggest two things. First, you're thoroughly inconsistent. You will say one thing then go on to contradict yourself a short time later. Second, you aren't prepared to have your "understanding" of the Word or God scrutinised and corrected by those who know it far better than you. That's simple arrogance.

To summarise, what I've seen of your handling of Scripture to date infers a remarkably shallow, thoroughly individualistic, haphazard and idiosyncratic approach to matters; one neither informed by context or history. Seriously, you need to be taken by the hand and shown "what's-what" as your perspective simply ain't reality.

But will your ego allow correction?

What is this obsession you have with correcting people Ian? And I'm an individual, how DARE I.
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Re:bible and beliefs

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Galien,

Simply bringing some rather notable inconsistencies to your attention, so as to help you to avoid looking foolish. Anyway, I liked the way you summed matters up though: you are an individual, aren't you?

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Re:bible and beliefs

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(My understanding and experience of being a christian is that God changes us from the inside, 'line upon line, precept upon precept'......................)

Hey Gallian,

I get your meaning here, however just thought it worth pointing out that Revivalists use these particular words *line upon line, precept upon precept* in the same way, misquoting from Isaiah 28 : 12-13 and using them completely out of context. Worth reading that chapter of Isaiah.

Also, quoting from your earlier post on being gifted "One thing that means is that we don't take too kindly to authority usually because the "authority" is not as smart as we are and we know it"

Sorry to read this Gallien.  To me that's not smart at all.  I have a cousin in the gifted group who has always had the highest respect and regard for authority, especially for those who imparted knowledge in their own field of expertise both here and overseas.  (No hecs/help, widowed mother, all on scholarship)

I can't see why being gifted would necessarily have to place one at odds with authority.  Some might look on it more as oppositional rather than gifted.

God Bless you

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Re:bible and beliefs

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Galien,

Simply bringing some rather notable inconsistencies to your attention, so as to help you to avoid looking foolish. Anyway, I liked the way you summed matters up though: you are an individual, aren't you?


Yes I am an individual Ian. Do you really think after the life I've had that I care one bit about looking foolish?
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I can't see why being gifted would necessarily have to place one at odds with authority.  Some might look on it more as oppositional rather than gifted.

 

I would call it rebellion.:aggrieved:

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Galien,

Clearly not. Just as clearly you're not interested in learning how to read and understand Scripture properly either.

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I can't see why being gifted would necessarily have to place one at odds with authority.  Some might look on it more as oppositional rather than gifted.

 

I would call it rebellion.:aggrieved:

Why is that, because I spend so much time flouting the law, driving up the footpaths, robbing banks and wreaking general havoc on society?

I have no real problem with authority that is there for a valid reason. Authority that takes on the mantle of god for the purpose of controlling me, I have no need for. Further, I wonder why they have the need to do it in the first place. I am fascinated by their need for it actually.

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