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im not sure which forum i belong to- my parents joind theperth revival center when i was 3, we moved to brisbane for 4-5 years when i was 10 an then came back to perth and when the split came the church here became the revival fellowshipi left when i was 18 and 10 years on i realized how much i was still affected by what has happendas a child i think i was happy going to childrens church and playing with other kids except that every sunday i had to kneel for hours praying to be filled with the spirit- something i managed to do at 5 i think purely through desperation, and was promptly baptized (what the fuck- like a 5 year old can make a covernant with god!!)my dad quickly became close to pr allan and my sister an i grew up with his grand kids we went to the same school for awhile and when my mum got sick would offten go and stay with their family. he also became increasingly violent and we were punnished severly for minor things (like laughing to loudly)i dont want this to become an overly long story so i guess i should just say what i went through....1. my dad was very violent an was encoraged in this by the church wholehartedly2.i was molested my pastor ***** as a young child and my parents wer convinced to say and do nothing for "the good of the church" altho i was never alone with him again3. my parents marrage nearly fell appart i think they remained together purly through stubborness4. when we came back from queensland i didnt ware the same clothes or listen to the same music as the other kids- i was immeadiatly labled as a trouble maker and spied on lied about and ostresized5. i learnt i couldnt trust my fathewr to stick up for me... as i said i was spied on, my dad was constantly being told i was doing the wrong thing (sometimes i was, i was seen smoking a few times altho no where near as often as they told my dad i was) and sometimes i wasnt (like the day membours of the church called to tell my parents they had seen me alone in a park with a group of guys- this was the only time my dad stood up for me an only because that night my friend had stayed over and at the time they sayd they had seen me my mum had jus looked in my room to check on us)6. i was put out of young peoples when i was about 15 because a guy i was friends with was trying to be kicked out of the curch and he told oversite we had kissed an "stuff" i wasnt given a chance to defend myseld and my dad didnt even bother to listen to me7. at 14 (and still very much a vergin) pr kevin called me a slut infront of all the people who were standing around listeningat some point my sister and i started asking my dad if we could leave we were always told that he knew it was hard but no other church taught the truth and we had to stayand as much as i hated the church i was totaly brain washed by them aswell- come on i had grown up in it . then a friend at school became a christian and invited me to her house so i could go with her- i was the busiest christian ever lol i went to youth church with her on saturday nights an church early in the morning then went back to my parents and went to church with them in the afternoon and eveningfinaly i couldnt take it anymore and told my parents i wast going to go to the revival fellowship anymore- this devistated my parents who wer fearful of my soul they took me to see pr kevin after the last meeting i went to but he stupidly enough chose that moment to tell my dad he wouldnt baptise my sisters boyfriend because he didnt realy want to be a christian he jus wanted to make her happy (this was possibly true) this mad my dad furious and after the argument my dad decided to leave, they started coming to church with me and are very happy where they are10 years later my dad and i are still trying to mend our relationship- this is the best its ever beenmy sister is happily married and her husband got baptised at annother church they are both settled in a church (yep he became a christian)and i driftedmostly im happy in my life untill recently when i realized the church i had finaly settled in was annother cult and i lost faith in my own ability to trust my own judgement and then late one night i found myself on here and for the first time since i had left the revival centers i wanted to talk to other people who had been there and lived threw it too- maybe by talking i will be able to move on properly and find peacethere is so much more but after 15 years in the church i couldnt cover even half of it
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dear break free, just wanted to say a quick hello and welcome to the forum - thanks heaps for having the guts to share your story esp with some of the awful things you experienced under the RC/RF banner but you will find great support & encouragement here. I only recently left RF and it's so cool that this forum is here where we can talk to others who've gone through the process of leaving, healing and moving on.when I read your post I felt so terrible for what you went through - I can't relate to everything but I do know what it's like to live with domestic violence in a supposedly spirit-filled christian home. my parents went so over the top when they were "converted" it was like living in a military academy, nothing but harsh discipline for breakfast lunch & dinner. I used to feel sick to my stomach on Sundays when we would put on the big act of the shiny happy people and

thank you for your responce

i was told that in bible times a man could stone his child for disobedience an that god said spare the rod spoil the child and if i didnt want to be punnished so much i should be better behaved and honor my father and mother more- i notice they never said the next part of the scripture, fathers bring not your children to wroth... but then they left an awful lot out didnt they

im so glad my children wont have to grow up like i did- its funny, i dont need to beat them into submision to get them to do what they are told an when i look in their eyes i dont see fear, but overwhelming love. they are the greatest blessing in my life an only made it harder to understand how my parents could have gone on the way we did

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Hi Break free,

also a big welcome to the forum from me to.

This is a great and safe place to vent and ask questions, many have been hurt by the rcf/rci and we are all at different stages of recovery and healing.

Great to hear that your realtionship with your dad is mending, hang in there God is faithful its unfortunate that people stuff things up

Be blessed

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Hi Break Free,

I'm SO so sorry for what you had to go through. I've never met ***** , but have heard alot of good about him - it's absolutely terrible to hear the real truth. I'm really sorry.

It's terrible to hear about scriptures being twisted to allow abusive behaviour. It's wonderful to hear that you and your dad have worked through the situation.

I'm a bit too shocked by your post to write much for now, but it's really brave of you to share your experiences. I really do hope that dealing with the past now can help heal you. It's got to help.

Ok, well I have to go now, but I'll be praying for you.

God Bless

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thank you both for your support

set free i want to say i didnt mean to shock anyone, but i knew it was shocking i jus realy needed to say the truth for my whole life there have been these secrets i couldnt or wouldnt talk about only the people closest to me know what happend and even with them i found it hard to open up an tell them i guess thats why i blurted it out befor i could change my mind

i find it so hard to reconcile pr alan- the man i grew up with like he was annother grandfather, and pr alan the man that molested a small girl it doesnt supprise me that other people would too. i have carried so much guilt that other than telling my parents i never said anything, the thought that other girls might have been molested after me has eaten at me for years but when i came here i noticed no-one else had a story like mine, im not sure if thats cause i was the only one or if they are to scared or ashamed to say it

either way.... i know the burden i have carried is less for having let it out

i know this may sound crazy but right now the thing that upsets me the most is realizing that 10 years on i cant trust my own judgment, that i cant judge if a church is healthy and following god, i guess i learnt so early that the only person i could rely on was me to not be able to do that is scary lol

im so glad my dad and i are able to have a relationship, he isnt as hard now  that he doesnt go to the revival centers but the real change came when a friend told me to stop waiting for him to change and change my attitude (at first i said there was nothing wrong with my attitude) but i realized i was realy defencive an could be aggressive as a way to cover all the pain an anger i had an when i stopped we could start mending and healing

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thank you both for your supportset free i want to say i didnt mean to shock anyone, but i knew it was shocking i jus realy needed to say the truth for my whole life there have been these secrets i couldnt or wouldnt talk about only the people closest to me know what happend and even with them i found it hard to open up an tell them i guess thats why i blurted it out befor i could change my mindi find it so hard to reconcile pr alan- the man i grew up with like he was annother grandfather, and pr alan the man that molested a small girl it doesnt supprise me that other people would too. i have carried so much guilt that other than telling my parents i never said anything, the thought that other girls might have been molested after me has eaten at me for years but when i came here i noticed no-one else had a story like mine, im not sure if thats cause i w

 

Hi break free,  thank you for sharing your story with us on this site.  I have not been long out of RF myself but have found there to be many loving, caring people both in other churches and out of them.  I don't think it's a matter of where you fellowship but how you relate to God and where your heart is that matters.  Many people have been through abusive situations and have had to deal with things that no person should have to.  But remember that God always loves you and is there for you, and although we can't always put our trust in man, we can put our total trust in God!   Hang in there, break free!

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Upset? Damn right I'm upset!
I am new here and not happy with what you claim about your molestation.
I am so sorry if this offends you but pastor ***** was NOT that kind of man.

It really disturbs me that you've put this sort of thing about because I knew the man very well -- better than you yourself. He was NOT a molester. How dare you? I am disgusted and very upset.

You have no idea how hurtful your words are. Or how sickening.
I don't care if people get on here and question how I KNOW this is a false accusation, but maybe they should be questioning you and your unbelievable motives. I will not sleep tonight now knowing such lies are being told!
Oh, I feel sorry for your bad experiences within the church and at home, but this goes too far.
People who knew him KNOW this is not true. May God forgive you for saying such a thing.
I'm incredibly upset.
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Upset? Damn right I'm upset!I am new here and not happy with what you claim about your molestation.I am so sorry if this offends you but pastor ***** was NOT that kind of man.It really disturbs me that you've put this sort of thing about because I knew the man very well -- better than you yourself. He was NOT a molester. How dare you? I am disgusted and very upset.You have no idea how hurtful your words are. Or how sickening.I don't care if people get on here and question how I KNOW this is a false accusation, but maybe they should be questioning you and your unbelievable motives. I will not sleep tonight now knowing such lies are being told!Oh, I feel sorry for your bad experiences within the church and at home, but this goes too far.People who knew him KNOW this is not true. May God forgive you for saying such a thing.I'm incredibly u

i dont know who you are so i dont know how well you knew pr ***** , but i knew him very well he was like another grandfather to me- more so than my own because we spent alot more time with him.

wether you belive its true or not- i know it is and i have had to live with it for a long time. i wont get into a slinging match with you im sure you remember him with alot of love and im sorry this confronts how you saw him. but i wont appologise for saying the truth.

you will never know how hard it was for me to open up and say anything at all.

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I'm sorry. I will never believe that part of your story.

I beg people before they post such things about people who cannot defend themselves, please PLEASE think of the damage you are doing to the surviving families of those you slur.
It causes so much pain and ill-health to those left behind. And you divide families, marriages and friendships.

This is not the place to air such wicked accusations.

I pray his family never read this evil accusation. You could inadvertantly cause serious health problems for his wife and family.

In fact I'm getting fed up with all the accusing that goes on here. After nearly 10 years of following the info on this site I see more and more hurt people who cannot/will not give up their pain to Jesus.
He offers release and you all turn your backs. It twists a knife in the heart. And I've read a lot of rumours and second/third-hand tales of woe. Some of it shocking and a lot I know to be untruthful (as I personally knew parties involved). Do people here actually enjoy reading about vicious innuendo? Don't we want reconcilliation -- to make peace within ourselves? I really would like people to think about how what you write and say causes hurt.

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Upset? Damn right I'm upset!I am new here and not happy with what you claim about your molestation.I am so sorry if this offends you but pastor Alan was NOT that kind of man.It really disturbs me that you've put this sort of thing about because I knew the man very well -- better than you yourself. He was NOT a molester. How dare you? I am disgusted and very upset.You have no idea how hurtful your words are. Or how sickening.I don't care if people get on here and question how I KNOW this is a false accusation, but maybe they should be questioning you and your unbelievable motives. I will not sleep tonight now knowing such lies are being told!Oh, I feel sorry for your bad experiences within the church and at home, but this goes too far.People who knew him KNOW this is not true. May God forgive you for saying such a thing.I'm incredibly u

I doubt Break Free would have brazenly made his name public if it didn't happen.

The Revival churches sometimes know the history of people and their sex crimes. They turn a blind eye because such sins are apparently forgiven at baptism or confession or six bloody month 'out of fellowships'. I'm sorry, but the law (OUR  real world LAW) does not recognise 'spiritfilledness'  or Hail Mary's or 'out of fellowhips', as a recompense for past crimes. Molesters shoud be named and shamed and hung out to dry. People MUST know that heaven and hell consequences are here and now, and not in the fairytale future 'world'. This freaking free ticket away from child molesting because of a frakking baptism certificate holds no water.

Oh yeah, and people who do these things are always a huge shock and surprise. Wake up.

Seen it over and over and over again.

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Reply to : The Buckaroo     You are correct when you say there are a lot of rumours and nasty things written on this Forum, but I think that to dismiss out of hand accusations that a person has made, perhaps after carrying a great burden for many years can be harmful and demoralising for the injured party who has finally gathered up enough courage to reveal what has happened to them. 

After spending 16 years as part of The Minister for Misinformation's NHH's blinkered society, I refuse to blindly choose not to believe something just because it is about a person that I feel couldn't be responsible for committing such an act.

An open mind allows us the evaluate and consider various angles to the same situation.

A closed mind puts us back in the same disenfranchised state that we were in when we belonged to our various Cults. How well do we know anyone, even ourselves? Isn't our Journey all about growth and discovery as a person and if after 10 years of being totally unimpressed with the content of this Forum then perhaps it is time to move on.

Amongst the rumour, gossip and sometimes total crap there can be a gem or a story that inspires and enlightens.

This Forum is to some a real lifesaver and a place to communicate with others who have been almost mortally wounded by their various experiences and I for one hope that it continues for many years to come for the sole reason that IT IS NECESSARY.

I also agree with Moth when he says that molesters must be named, shamed and hung out to dry and it IS always the ones that you would never think it to be.

Doesn't one of the more inspired sriptures say, "Come ye who are heavy laden and I shall give you rest". Well,. break free.. has decided to share the burden or the heavy load that they have carried with them for years. To share such a dark secret can only lighten the soul and give rise to a new beginning.

Good luck ..break free.. and be strong. To fall by the wayside no matter how we do it, only means that "THEY" have won.

Cheers,

Glad


I'm sorry. I will never believe that part of your story.I beg people before they post such things about people who cannot defend themselves, please PLEASE think of the damage you are doing to the surviving families of those you slur.It causes so much pain and ill-health to those left behind. And you divide families, marriages and friendships.This is not the place to air such wicked accusations.I pray his family never read this evil accusation. You could inadvertantly cause serious health problems for his wife and family.In fact I'm getting fed up with all the accusing that goes on here. After nearly 10 years of following the info on this site I see more and more hurt people who cannot/will not give up their pain to Jesus.He offers release and you all turn your backs. It twists a knife in the heart. And I've read a lot of rumours and se


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Child molestation is not something to speak lightly of. Unfortunately it happens far more often than is reported, and many, many evil deads go unreported and unpunished. It must have been very difficult for breakfree to share this story and for you to discredit it and abuse this person is cruel and damaging. Most molestors are kind, gentle people that you would never susspect, that is why they get the trust of the child and the parent and in most cases get away with it.

For you to cast judgement on breakfree, with no real knowledge of what really happend either way is damaging, malace and uncalled for. I understand that you knew the man mentioned, so did I. I also hope his family does not hear / read this, not because I believe it to be untrue, but because now that he is dead, his family should be left in peace. Jesus told us not to judge and to forgive. I hope you can learn something from his teachings before you lash out at someone in pain next time.

Breakfree, the true pain comes from secrets and from silence, that is where the power over your life is. Now that you have let the secret out, healing can begin.





I'm sorry. I will never believe that part of your story.I beg people before they post such things about people who cannot defend themselves, please PLEASE think of the damage you are doing to the surviving families of those you slur.It causes so much pain and ill-health to those left behind. And you divide families, marriages and friendships.This is not the place to air such wicked accusations.I pray his family never read this evil accusation. You could inadvertantly cause serious health problems for his wife and family.In fact I'm getting fed up with all the accusing that goes on here. After nearly 10 years of following the info on this site I see more and more hurt people who cannot/will not give up their pain to Jesus.He offers release and you all turn your backs. It twists a knife in the heart. And I've read a lot of rumours and se




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Breakfree, the true pain comes from secrets and from silence, that is where the power over your life is. Now that you have let the secret out, healing can begin.

thank you for understanding why i needed to break my silence- i do not want to hurt his family, who i still care deeply about but i could no longer carry the secret

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Hi,

We have a terrible habit of interfering with God's plan (mankind generally that is) - The Lord knows your predicament: - talk to him in the spirit and He alone will give you peace - if you are genuine you will get that peace of mind that we all look for - my thoughts are with you - God Bless


im not sure which forum i belong to- my parents joind theperth revival center when i was 3, we moved to brisbane for 4-5 years when i was 10 an then came back to perth and when the split came the church here became the revival fellowshipi left when i was 18 and 10 years on i realized how much i was still affected by what has happendas a child i think i was happy going to childrens church and playing with other kids except that every sunday i had to kneel for hours praying to be filled with the spirit- something i managed to do at 5 i think purely through desperation, and was promptly baptized (what the fuck- like a 5 year old can make a covernant with god!!)my dad quickly became close to pr allan and my sister an i grew up with his grand kids we went to the same school for awhile and when my mum got sick would offten go and stay with the


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oh break free, my heart goes out to you.  

If only they knew how much strength it took to actually speak out about such things, and how easily shattered a person can be when they're told "it's not true, your making it up" or "you asked for it" or any of the other hurtful things that incredibly ignorant people say.

I've counselled so many girls (and even a guy) who have been through similar situations and I've seen time and time again the damage that is done to their confidence and trust in people, including themselves when people say such hurtful things.

the reason i'm Anonymuos is because I wanted to tell you something. I too was mollested by someone in the RF (you may now know me from my PM) and i've faced lots of people with a similar reaction to what you have just experienced. People say that because they don't like having their beliefs hurt, and because they don't want to believe the horrible truth about people.

I didn't know pastor **** but I know his wife well, and I know that no-one would want to hurt her. She was one of the only people to be kind to me when i was out of fellowship once.  I know your motives were pure,.

 

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Reply to : acts2 [Anonymous]    What on earth do you mean????????? Do you mean that to speak up about what has happened she is interfering with God's plan for her?????? Do you mean if she genuinly seeks the Lord she will get peace of mind????

Sounds all very CULTISH and MANIPULATIVE to me !!!!

break free, you DESERVE peace of mind!!!!!!!

In this life "SHIT HAPPENS" and it happened to you.

You are BRAVE and you deserve our support!!!!  I don't care how you go about finding peace of mind, I just hope that you do find it. Talking to God is one way, but there are lots of alternatives for you to kick start your recovery.

I am sure that by breaking your silence after so long the healing process has begun.  Don't have a blinkered outlook towards life, God is GREAT, but so are counsellors, self- help groups, literature on sexual abuse, information from the internet, talking to friends and relatives, confronting the shit head who abused you. Shout from the rooftops what happened to you.

YOU are the VICTIM and silence empowers these creeps.

Good luck.

Glad


Reply to : break freeHi,We have a terrible habit of interfering with God's plan (mankind generally that is) - The Lord knows your predicament: - talk to him in the spirit and He alone will give you peace - if you are genuine you will get that peace of mind that we all look for - my thoughts are with you - God


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 I also agree with Moth when he says that molesters must be named, shamed and hung out to dry and it IS always the ones that you would never think it to be.

Now lets see how the NT dealt with cover ups...

2 Tim 4:13 Alexander the Coppersmith did me much evil...etc

1 Tit 1:7 For a Bishop (Pastor in RCI/RF) must be blameless...

1 Tim 5:20 Them that sin (an elder or Pastor in RCI/RF or any other church!) rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

The RCs policy of cover ups is unscriptural but it suits them as they have plenty to cover up!

I know they try to find "dirt" on (innocent ) people that question a dispute (and who stand up and tell the truth!) How do I know? PS admitted it!

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Re:a lifetime of fear- my story (warning may upset some)

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 Our God sees everything  Break free- If this is the truth- God is your witness-! He's the only witness that matters. He will heal you- He still loves you.. My heart goes out to u.

I think that Buckaroo should get off their high horse. It's because of people like you- that poor victims of these hideous crimes are too scared to speak out- How would u know either way---- only her and him and God know the truth.

If peoples accusations against others are false. I have no doubt that God will NOT let them get away with false this.

But we mustn't rebuke people for stating something that we can't prove either way. Let them be. If they accused you- and you knew you didn't do it- that's a different story!! you can rebuke them all u want.

Just remember GOD KNOWS THE TRUTH! Sometimes it just takes a while for the truth to get out in the light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re:a lifetime of fear- my story (warning may upset some)

Date Posted:18/04/2007 11:13 PMCopy HTML

Ive been feeling a bit bad since my previous post here...That's why I got rid of it!!!!   maybe I was wrong to name X on here...

I think I should make it clear that I believe that sex offenders etc can and should and must be forgiven by us all.  I don't want people to think- that I think it's like an unforgivable sin. We must love others. What if that was us that did such a wicked thing? We'd want to be forgiven too.

Jesus died for everyone-    and he that is forgiven much...loves much!!!             Blessed are them that show mercy!!!!

Blessed are the peacemakers!!!    Let's all help each other make peace!!!!    Peace man!             Let's encourage each other to forgive, and look forward,  and to trust in God!!!!                         Love covers over a multitude of sins!!!    Love is the answer...........

If anyone out there is reading this and they've done a bad thing like that above-  Please know that repentance and confession of your sin is the only answer.!!  God will forgive you-   and u must forgive yourself...  and don't ever do it again.!!

Go and sin no more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But also- having kids of my own- I would like to know if any people in my close network had been convicted for any of this stuff. I think we do need to protect our kids.

mmmmmmmmmm it's a hard one- What's the line between confidentiality for an offender------ and the right for others  to be aware of a potential danger???????????

Anybody got an amazing answer??????????

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Re:a lifetime of fear- my story (warning may upset some)

Date Posted:19/04/2007 12:08 AMCopy HTML

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Ive been feeling a bit bad since my previous post here... I may not be speaking according to God's will, maybe I am wrong to name Bart on here... I'm not sure. I guess that's my personality that got revved up for a minute there.I think I should make it clear that I believe that sex offenders etccanandshouldandmustbe forgiven by us all. I don't want people to think- that I think it's like an unforgivable sin. We must love others. What if that was us that did such a wicked thing? We'd want to be forgiven too.Jesus died for everyone- and he that is forgiven much...loves much!!! Blessed are them that show mer

Ok, I'm a non-believer and this forum isn't a Christian club so I'm gonna start standing up for the rational humanists and stirr the pot with reason and a dash of logic. Ok? I'm also gonna rant and go off-track a bit because I've been thinking a lot about all sorts of stuff I've read on blogs and forums tonight, and I have to get it out of my head so I can go to bed.

Firstly, The forgiveness thing... No, we don't always have to forgive. That's just some jive from a guy who was writing something wacky just so his book would shock and get some coverage out of his readers. Sometimes, if deserved and earned, and it's safe to do so, forgiveness can be warranted, but rapists and murderers such as the fucked up asian guy who ripped 32 bodies apart in another house of education should not be forgiven. He blew his head off before we could tell him that sadly.. Jesus doesn't love you... you hell bait, and we are going to make our own hell here on earth for him as much as we could before we decided how to let him die. He destroyed countless dozens of family members lives. A complete devestation and travesty.

The sin and forgive is a weak way to run a planet. So desperate for us to love him he'll sacrifice his only son (should have has some more kids then eh.. but didn't matter, he didn't really die for long anwyway). Then he wanted to go soft and encourage us to forgive all the sinners while afterwards he happily throws them over his shoulder into the Eternal Punishment Pit. If god wanted us to 'choose' his son and not punish us for for eternity for making a free choice freely given to us, then he shouldn't have made himself so damned invisible, unbelievable, angry looking and illogical.

Anyone who was not raised a Christian has directly or indirectly denied the Holy Spirit huh? I deny the Christian mythology and if that denial means eternal damnation in the eyes of some then what do I  care about their supernatural horror stories. really! and oh God, should he exist, should really pick a different medium of advertisement than the sick rednecked ignorant zealots who are prepared to maim, corrupt cultures, and happily wave off their refuters to an imaginary hell  (Click here to see the modern Christian on Youtube)

I hear a lot of talk recently about how happy Christians are that murderers and rapists will be judged by god so they can be punished forever in the next life. Sure, it's a fun thought... I'd sit by a tv and watch the gunmen and bad guys get tortured forever... it's probably get boring after a few years, and we'd learn to drown out the sound, but even if the stupid fantasy world of hell were true, it's not gonna bring back the victims he killed and tortured. It's not going to help the countless families in mourning for the loss of their loved ones. It's not gonna help us now... it's not going to wash away the pain and suffering he's allowed to permeate through the planet and the children he's supposed to love since the beginning of his mythical relations with us.

Reality. We've got to do the best we can do keep our kids safe. Forget forgiving the frakker! Child molestors love to be forgiven... sounds like a ticket out and to do more of what they love doing. Sick bastards.. but they're everywhere. Let people know who they are and throw a few rocks if you can get close by enough. And if anyone says we should look at our own sin before we do, well... i'd gladly stone myself if I was a frakked up as these mongrels we allow to live after they've happiliy ripped the heart and soul our of a children, smiling all the way.

Mercy is for suckers... or for the people that deserve it. Unfortunately some monsters cross the line.

I'm also overwhelmed with sadness after just watching the story of another school shooting massacre on the news. Just when you forget the insanity some of us are capable of, it happens again. The wanton disregard for human life... it's hard to comprehend. It's devastating, it's unacceptable, and it's far far too sad for words.

When I heard the news, I buried my head in my hands and habitually said, 'oh my god', but the thing is... my god wouldn't let this happen... my god would swoop in and stop it... my god would would make it right. Unfortunately though, my god doesn't exist, and the christian god who sat through the whole thing waiting for more people to praise him, doesn't exist either... which is sort of comforting in a strange way. The idea of such a god is unbearable. I have to say, the idiots who think Hell is to come in the future, are complete moronic twats. It's right here, right now.

Hell... yeah, all the people that don't believe in unicorns and magic invisible men are going to hell. I'm afraid that some very nasty people are going to die unpunished. Murderers, rapists, telemarketing phone salepeople... many will die unpunished and some even happy and content with a frakked up life behind them. That's life in the big pond baby... toads, frogs and crocodiles. We'll all croak and that'll be it.

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Re:a lifetime of fear- my story (warning may upset some)

Date Posted:19/04/2007 12:26 AMCopy HTML

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Reply to : Shining for JesusIve been feeling a bit bad since my previous post here... I may not be speaking according to God's will, maybe I am wrong to name Bart on here... I'm not sure. I guess that's my personality that got revved up for a minute there.I think I should make it clear that I believe that sex offenders etccanandshouldandmustbe forgiven by us all. I don't want people to think- that I think it's like an unforgivable sin. We must love others. What if that was us that did such a wicked thing? We'd want to be forgiven too.Jesus died for everyone- and he that is forgiven much...loves much!!! Blessed are them that show merOk, I'm a non-believer and this forum isn't a Christian club so I'm gonna start standing up for the rational humanists and stirr the pot wi

like i told SfJ in a pm i havent forgiven, maybe one day i will, but the hate that i felt died when i stoped keeping it a secret, no there is nothing that can be done now, no i didnt have the courage to confront him when i grew up- maybe i should have, no-one wanted to talk about it and i had kept it secret for to long, and i was to confused about everything, inc how i felt towards my parents, i was young, confused and hurting, and the people who should have been there to protect and suport me- chose to protect the church instead

these are things i still struggle with esp after i had my own children

my heart goes out to all the familys of the people who dies at verginia tech as well as their friends and the whole comunity there, things like this take a long time to get over- if you ever do

there are so many hurt troubled and broken people out there... it breaks my heart

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Re:a lifetime of fear- my story (warning may upset some)

Date Posted:09/04/2008 2:20 AMCopy HTML

Hello Everyone...
I am new to this forum.  I spent three hours last night gripped to the screen reading many disturbing stories.  It was such an emotional yet exciting experience to read other stories because for so long it's felt like I was only one of a few ppl who've been so badly hurt by the Revival Centres (I was there from 6mths old to 20 yrs old) and now I've discovered that so many others would relate to my story and vice versa. 

To 'Break Free'... I know you posted your story a long time ago but it was the first one I read last night and I just have to reply...
It took you so much guts to open up about your molestation.  I can understand completely the torment that comes with hiding such a secret for so many years.  I too was molested many times by someone who's identity would shock many ppl.  I am totally appalled and discusted by 'The Buckaroo's' accusation that you have made it up.  It is ppl like that who make it harder for the victims to open up about the truth and why so many of the molesterors get away with what they did.  How dare 'The Buckaroo' say they know it can't be true.  They weren't there with you every minute of your day.  The Buckaroo is so ignorant and obviously has no concept whatsover of what it is like to be abused.  It hurts me to the point of my stomach knotting up to think about that nasty, self righteous person sitting there all 'holier than thou' and feeling like they have the right to reprimand you.  For goodness sake, if there is such a high percentage of ppl these days being molested, then there sure as heck is the same percentage of molesterors out there, many of whom are ppl we know at work, in our family, in our church, parents at school, shop keepers, the local real estate or car sales man etc etc and we wouldn't have a clue what they've done.  Every molesteror is someone's father, or brother, or son, or boyfriend, or teacher, or leader etc and they are no doubt loved and adored by at least a handful of ppl in their lives who would never in their wildest dreams suspect them of such a hideous crime.  My love and support goes out to you.  It takes years to heal and the repricussions of being molested linger far longer.  It effects all aspects of our lives in so many ways.  We can heal, learn and grow but we will never know what it's like to have had the innocence every child rightfully deserves.  What we had taken away from us can never be replaced!  Once again I hope you are going well in life now and good on you for having the courage to speak up...

To 'The Buckaroo'- I feel sorry for you.  You are obviously hurt that someone you love could be accused of something so bad.  Accept it and deal with it!  Grow up!  You're not the victim here! Think of all the years 'Break Free' had to deal with the pain of being molested and how it must have damaged her life.  Instead of slandering an innocent woman of a false accusation (who would have had nothing at all to gain from such a supposed lie), please take a look at yourself first and watch how damaging your own tongue can be.  Not only did you probably hurt 'Break Free' with your rampage but you also hurt other ppl who are in a similar situation.   Unfortunately the Revival Centres is filled with Self Righteous and Prideful ppl like yourself, so all the reality of the ugliness and sin just gets covered up and pushed aside. It's like a sickness just spreads so much and is never dealt with that in the end the members are standing in vomit and surrounded by disease but they don't even see it!  The Pride and Self Righteousness has blinded them.  It's very, very sad and it's not at all what real Christianity is about!
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