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I thought I'd stop in and say hello.  I say this knowing full well that this is how many horror movies start, where in the end everyone turns into werewolves and, well, there you go.

Yet in spite of the potential danger, I press on.

I was exploring the vast expanses of Aimoo, land of the somewhat English language challenged moderators,  and came across your site.  On reading through some of the topics, I recognized the terms, the phenomena, and sadly, many of the stories.  What I didn't recognize were names, places and none of the alphabet soup abbreviations.

Then it dawned on me.  These folks are not from the US, God's little joke on gift to the world.  They are, in fact, from some strange far away land.  Grabbing my handy Wal-Mart, $8.95 whirling Globe, I discovered a whole big continent on the bottom of the world. "So that's where they are!" I cried.  And then I wondered why they didn't fall off, but I digress.

Okay, seriously, after reading Drew and Ian's posts, their stories and why they started this forum, I got the same sort of feeling as when I read  Frank Peretti's The Visitation.  Not so much of a "been there done that" as  we all watched the same movie.  

My experience was at once the same and different.  I didn't find the Baptism and the gifts and all the trimmings  through a main line organization.  Before I knew who Kenneth Copeland was or got to know anyone from a Pentecostal or AOG church, I was confronted with pretty much the whole ball of wax starting one afternoon kneeling at a coffee table in the house of a piano teacher in 1971.  

In a few short weeks, having had no contact at all with Charismatic or Pentecostal influences,  I experienced the power of God in undeniably supernatural manifestations, prayed in tongues, participated in the casting out of demons, and received word of knowledge and/or prophesy that proved to be dead on accurate as time went by.  In fact, it continues to be in ways that I could not have dreamed of back then.  

I wasn't looking for it.  It was a couple years after I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord, and I was starting to feel like there had to be more than an intellectual argument for why I believed or even what I'm doing here.   It's funny, I was aware of the "nut jobs" in the United Pentecostal Church (where later I went to be baptized in Jesus' name), but never connected what they were doing, to what happened to me.

And then,  It was pretty much over.  Of course I continued pursuing the experiences, traveling all over the country to various meetings held by all the usual suspects in the US.  I even attended a Katheryn Kuhlman service shortly before she died.  But for me, it all dried up.  Yes, I did it all.  Threw away my glasses and positively confessed my head off.  And no, He didn't.  I tried to get slain in the spirit, but even though I went over a few times, it never happened.  Watched the same people in wheelchairs prayed over with no results, and gave what I could to get the hundred fold return.  

All that was a long time ago. I did my own Bible studies, as you all obviously have, and discovered the errors and out of context quotes that the positive confession doctrine and "God wants us all to be rich" are based on, but I cannot deny my own experiences.  The gifts that I observed in operation and benefited from were real. I still pray in tongues. The way God introduced me to it was personal and obviously intended for me to understand that it was important for my life.

The Lord's hand continues to be on my life, even after I have failed Him time and again.  I don't know why, but I can't wait to find out.

I know God heals, but I think what we missed back then is why He heals.  It is always for a witness and His glory. When you watch the slick spectacles on TV that the current purveyors of the pursuit of experience put on, you have to wonder for who's glory. 

What I know is that God is sovereign.  His thoughts are not man's thoughts. I can no more truly understand His purposes than an ant can understand the sixty story skyscraper next to his hill. 

May God bless. 

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Date Posted:18/08/2009 3:19 AMCopy HTML

Hi, EmRon.

Thanks for sharing, but a minor correction if I may? Drew Dixon and I are not responsible for this web forum. Our progeny can be found at www.pleaseconsider.info. At this forum we are simply guests.

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Hi Emron
"All that was a long time ago. I did my own Bible studies, as you all obviously have, and discovered the errors and out of context quotes that the positive confession doctrine and "God wants us all to be rich" are based on, but I cannot deny my own experiences.  The gifts that I observed in operation and benefited from were real. I still pray in tongues. The way God introduced me to it was personal and obviously intended for me to understand that it was important for my life."

I totally understand and get what you said there :)    Have you run into the likes of Keith Moore &
Monica Dennington, a few of us have down loaded many of there talks and watch it regularly on a big screen, though like you I'm not sure about, as you describe the " positive confession doctrine and "God wants us all to be rich" stuff he seems to speak on, , how did you discern thee differences in this??  

 (although he does use scripture to back this up and seems to put things in a better grounded scriptural way then some of the other extreme teaching out there),  He did some brilliant talks on marriage, like a Dr Phil but with scripture to back up what he says *grin*.  Enjoy looking around, we left our last big church (mentioned on this site ) because of the corruption, & regulation permeating the place, as Andrew Strom on his site he writes about the Monster becoming the church and having a life in itself,  

It's been an interesting walk since then, a lot re-evaluation and reassessing of old thoughts an interesting time.

Take care

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"Out",

If you're seriously a fan/follower of Keith Moore, then you've simply swapped one unbiblical error for another. Both are equally grievous.

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the " positive confession doctrine and "God wants us all to be rich" stuff he seems to speak on, , how did you discern thee differences in this??  


My first thought on hearing this in church was "where do you people get this rubbish?" One of my dearest friends still buys into this and thinks because she sends money to the coat waver, that god will multiply it ten times. At the rate she is sending it, lets hope she's right.

There were so many things in a Pente church I just thought were the newest fad. Generational curses caused by ones family's involvement in masonry, get slain in the spirit or roll around the floor laughing, cant have anything in the house that has even an appearance of evil lest it draw spirits etc, go up on the biggest hill in town where "the witches meet" and pray away their bad influence over the city,  burn your worldly cd's blah blah blah. Apparently all this was supposed to make one holier. Seemed like a "new age" christianity to me, largely based on fear and buying all this rubbish to comform with the group. Being the perennial brat I am, I just couldn't see what any of this had to do with Jesus. At a bible study in my home they were carrying on about the satanic cults in town and I asked "why are you people so afraid of these people when Christ has won the victory?" Not one person could answer me. It was like they fed off each others zeal and fear. I found it rather odd.

I noticed though how most of these holy people still looked at those christians having a smoke outside the church like they were dirt. When the assistant pastor's marriage broke up, how the 25 years of dedication that family had given to the church turned to nothing in the resultant finger pointing and side taking. Humans can be so disappointing.

 

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Your predictable if not consistent in your approach, Ian  LOL,:*grin* 
His word helped open our minds and free us from the RCI
, regulated Gestapo type overtones and authoritarianism that's dished out by the wolves watching the flock. (I keep a fairly open mind about everything now especially after being lied to for so long.) if it works for you then go with it, if it stresses you or your family out and causes grief then cut it off, and keep praying keep looking.
 Monica Dennington also
helped us remove the "Women have no rights and can't preach unscriptural stance that RCI takes," on her Tic Toc
ministries site. That was one of the first things we were confronted with after leaving, "Women preaching and women praying out loud i.e. for communion” Oh the blasphemy in "revivalist eyes", also another turning point was when we heard how the lord used Jackie Pullinger and what she did in Hong Kong
I get where your coming from Galien
, there is so much rubbish out there, if you go to http://groupsects.wordpress.com/2009/04/  it will keep you amused if not saddened for ages while reading about the rip off merchants,  even our own Glenn duker gets a mention,  go to  Archive for April 2009, and scroll down to Dudded church member felt ‘compelled’ to lend to Pastor Duker and Has anyone at all been watching over Pastor Glenn Duker?

its nothing we don’t know already but he's made the list. When reading about how much rot there is it’s a wonder anyone makes it back, Believe it or not Galien I get why you don’t go anywhere we almost came to that conclusion, but for the sake of my kids, I couldn't throw the towel in, I have to keep going for their sake and the lord is showing us so its working out. Its nice finding half decent folk to be around,
We 
experienced the absolute worse in christian behaviour while in RCI so we judge everyone against that measure, so far folk are not even close in reaching that level (touch wood) only time will tell.


 

 

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Hey Ian,

Thanks for the thanks.  May I say you do a lousy impression of a guest, as you seem to be everywhere.  And whoever is in charge here, this is an impressive forum with a lot of information and viewpoints. 

Hello Mr. Out, may I call you Im?  To answer your question about
Keith Moore & Monica Dennington, I don't know who those people are, so I can't comment on what they teach.  You asked about how I discerned the differences in prosperity teaching. For me it wasn't a matter of discernment. It was a matter of conviction.  Understanding what the Lord has done for me, and how important it is to be a witness to this, how could I have ever wasted all that time chasing after wealth and health and experiences?

Hello Galien,

Reading your comments, I suspect we share similar observations but maybe not entirely the same conclusions, if that makes sense. 

You bring
to mind the fact that man (that's the universal Mr. and Ms. man) is a fallen creature.  Our fleshly nature causes us to do and say some of the darnedest things.  It's very easy to get frustrated, angry, bitter, and fill in here anything I left out.  I'm told when Gandhi was asked what was wrong with Christianity he replied "Christians."


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Hi EmRon,

Welcome

Reading your comments, I suspect we share similar observations but maybe not entirely the same conclusions, if that makes sense. 

Fair enough. One size does not fit all, and apparently if two people always agree, one just may be superfluous.
 
You bring
to mind the fact that man (that's the universal Mr. and Ms. man) is a fallen creature.  Our fleshly nature causes us to do and say some of the darnedest things.  It's very easy to get frustrated, angry, bitter, and fill in here anything I left out.  I'm told when Gandhi was asked what was wrong with Christianity he replied "Christians".

He was probably right. I guess I have always felt that we could do so much better, but maybe thats just the idealist in me. I do get angry and frustrated, but mostly disappointed and even heartbroken at how badly people treat each other. That's just me I guess.

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