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Date Posted:16/09/2012 2:29 AMCopy HTML

i know the title of this post is somewhat general but let me explain.

lets say Joe for example is either

(A) born into the Revival church(lets hope not)
(B)or converted from the world

now both these "joes" have been taught the typical revival doctrines and beliefs and that if one leaves they have forsaken god and the church ect. And their whole lives have now formed around the churches and its beliefs and to anyone who preaches less that they are blasphemers of the holy spirit and the rest of that garbage.

now lets say joe with all his ideas ,conceptions,theology, doctrine and his whole life is based on the Rf with the only understanding that is "RF has the truth like no one else" is either kicked out or leaves the church and has his whole life taken from him.

now this mindset is very dangerous and close minded, because if we think that and believe that to be true we automatically hindering our selves and more importantly hindering our relationship with god.

now my question is and to those who know what i mean. And im sure you will, What happens to the people who leave the revival and because of their mindsets of who and what they think god is. And what the salvation message is never return to a church or stop having a relationship with god because they feel that the only way that they knew before is gone!!

do these people still meet god?




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Re:What happens to people who have left the revival

Date Posted:16/09/2012 5:45 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Kurt.

To be honest, there are an awful lot of "what if's" in your questions, which makes responding somewhat difficult. But noting this, here's my take:

1. It's highly doubtful that the two 'Joes' you prefaced your questions on ever entered into a saving relationship with God in Christ. I state this noting the thrust of Romans 1:16a, For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes ... Consequently, if one has been fed, and believed, a false gospel such as the Revivalist 'salvation message'; then how can such a one have any assurance of personal salvation? Sadly, they can't.

2. Next, Jesus was pretty specific when he said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Never means precisely that: n-e-v-e-r.

In closing, Revivalists believe that they're saved by virtue of being able to say, 'yabba, dabba, dooo' quickly. However, according to Scripture salvation is based on a relationship with a Saviour, and not on a relationship with a sign. The Bible clearly teaches that one enters into this saving relationship by believing the [biblical] Gospel, and not by believing any [or another] gospel. Ergo, the content of what one believes is crucial to the outcome of one's believing!

Revivalists will, inevitably, meet God. But when they do it's probable that they will hear the words: 'I never knew you; depart from me ...'

Blessings,

Ian
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Re:What happens to people who have left the revival

Date Posted:16/09/2012 7:32 AMCopy HTML

One doesn’t have to be ‘born’ into Revival to develop that ‘mindset’.

I was converted to Revival at the age of twenty eight with thirty five years of indoctrination. My life became full of uncertainty, insecurity and bad behaviour. After seventeen years in Noel Hollin’s GRC group and my marriage “shipwrecked,” I left fellowship, and eventually remarried outside of his church.

In time, I felt I needed to return to fellowship and on approaching Hollins, he blatantly told me that I was ‘Damned’ and he could not see any hope nor would I ever be able to come back.

If ever there was a feeling of utter helplessness with no hope in my life, then that was the time. It was like a feeling of being drowned and nothing to hang on to; I couldn’t go back and be saved nor could I go back to the world.

I believe at this point, unfortunately, most people that experience the abuse of Revival doctrine and behaviour  (“Bad Doctrine, Bad Ethics = Bad Behaviour”), reject God completely or just don’t bother any longer.

I went on to attend other Revival groups here in Geelong but nothing seemed to be any different so I walked away six years ago.

I thank God I sorted out the truth of God’s Word and have moved on. I now feel assured of my future and completely at peace in him and a better person for it.

There is a time when ALL will meet their creator.

Ralph

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