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Date Posted:15/02/2008 8:42 AMCopy HTML

Hi all

What are you all reading at the moment.
Me - I am working through the following: 



Written from the  point of  view of an agnostic.
John Humphreys is a  very well known public broadcaster (Radio/TV). 


Additional information I 've put in the'reccommended reading' forum.

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Date Posted:15/02/2008 11:26 AMCopy HTML

Hi Anon,

I'm reading the book of Isaiah at the moment. During the last weeks a bunch of women met for a "ladies bible study". We studied Isaiah and had a great time.

Espacially the following verses from Isaiah stuck in my memory;
Isaiah 53:5-12:
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was
upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his
own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth:
he is brought as a lamb before the slaughter, and as a sheep before her
shearers  is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judment: who shall declare his
generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the
transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when
though shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in
his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his
knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their
iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide
the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

I was an atheist most of my life. Born in a katholic country, baptised in a katholic church (when I was three month old!), left the katholic church, met CAI, was stupid enough to get stuck for ten years - but you know what? Along the way I became a believer and nobody and nothing was  able to seperate me from the love of God. 
More than three years ago I left CAI and now I sense Gods love and protection stronger than ever. I learned a lot in CAI and it was during that time when I started to read my bible. I believe God does not make any mistakes. I found many things a 'bit strange' in CAI, but the day came when I realised, that I'm responsible for my life, and that I can't blame anyone for putting me under stress or forcing me to do something I don't want to do. It was my free will that I submitted to the rituals in CAI and my free will to leave.
We are free! Jesus Christ died for all of us and we can accept or reject him; it's our freedom to choose.
Angelika

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Re:What are you reading at the moment ?

Date Posted:15/02/2008 12:42 PMCopy HTML

"Die Panne" from Friedrich Dürrenmatt.

After 15 years mind control I really enjoy reading some good literature without having a bad conscience as some bloody CAI booklist isn't yet fulfilled.

And I listen to Radiohead. There you go Lars.

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Date Posted:15/02/2008 4:17 PMCopy HTML

Hi Carsten

Radiohead.....  not  quite my cup of tea, but  interesting  choice!   (Three cheers for  good literature!).

Anyway - bollocks  to the reading-list !
I have a huge pile of  books at my parents of a 'useless' theologically unsound nature!
I was  boing to sell them on ebay, but  rather progagate unsound  wisdom; as per a previous post I recently started, I think I;ll burn the whole lot the next time I am home.

Angelika - you seem to be  strong in your Faith still... 

I no longer have any, but this is no loss to me.  I "believed" before  joining the CAI.   I tried believing/keeping my faith afterwards,  but  main-stream  Christianity had become too foreign for me. I re-assessed.  Though fairly tolerant, I now have a healthy scepticism of  religous ideas and  belief in a diety.  The Bible may contain some 'inspirational' passages, but it is certainly not the only source of inspiration or truth.  The Biblical God for me  is cruel and  jealous.  Take care and all the best on your  path through this life.

Anyhow, all the best to all - have a good weekend.
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Date Posted:16/02/2008 10:26 AMCopy HTML

reading "one minute manager" at the moment due to my job. Quite interesting to read the paralells of a "good manager" and chritian faith. However I still read christian books.

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Date Posted:17/02/2008 11:11 AMCopy HTML

Don't sell the books. Please. I destroyed the books I had which are on the infamous book list. I don't want to encourage anyone to read the poison. Even the "nice" ones I have heard could be fictional re-writes, embellished to encourage the conviction of the reader. Like Scott's "miracles".
 
Who needs pretend and fabricated miracles? If I wanted to, I could get all the fiction I want from comics, with a lot more action and usually a happy ending.

In my quest to learn German, I come across books with titles like "German Made Easy" or "Learn German In 12 Weeks". I can't even trust language books! However, I suppose if someone wrote a truthful book like "I Bet You Can't Learn German in 50 Years" there would be few copies sold.

John

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Date Posted:18/02/2008 2:11 PMCopy HTML

hi Fremde

- message understood.... bonfire planned! 

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In my quest to learn German, I come across books with titles like "German Made Easy" or "Learn German In 12 Weeks". I can't even trust language books! However, I suppose if someone wrote a truthful book like "I Bet You Can't Learn German in 50 Years" there would be few copies sold.


hehehehehe LMAO

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Well, I am reading "Mein Kampf" at the moment,   
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Well, I am reading "Mein Kampf" at the moment.
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Date Posted:18/02/2008 5:18 PMCopy HTML

And can you see the parallels to the assembly? :) Surprised that one never made it onto the list.

I agree with Carsten - read some good literature. After years of reading so much crap in the assembly and not being able to speak my own language properly I have devoted the last 6 years to reading as much lit. as possible. Currently reading The Kite Flyer and Love in the Time of Cholera.
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I am just about to start "Animal Farm" by George Orwell. After that I will follow that up with "1984". I think they might give me more insight into what has gone on in the CAI.

Plus, as Justine said, some good literature is just what the doctor ordered!

G.
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AGL you are reading Mein Kampf. Careful, reading it may turn you into Scott Williams. Of course you must have the copy translated from the correct original Gothic Recieved Text (or is that Greek) or you will be misinformed, by not being able to exegete, trasmogrify, or supercalafragilisticexpealodocious it. There are them that read it, there are them that understand it, and there are them that do it. Whatever you read, pray for discernment and above all, care and humility with putting that knowledge into practice in dealing with others.

No doubt. like me, you will have seen the parallels of Scott, do alikes, sound alikes and bully alikes, day to day. I used to be bitter about the years I "wasted". Sharon (my wife) and I these days muse apon the experience we gained to set the rest of our life on a steadier course. Last night a young woman that used to work with my wife came to dinner and asked advice about buying an apartment. She is in danger of plunging into "hot water" so to speak. I offered to help and advise her and attend a few auctions. Lauding superiority, rebuking etc, would have achieved nothing and left her none the wiser. Sharon and I never cease to be amazed at people, who have had a rough ride in life, or a bad experience, seem to think it a rite of passage to inflict the same philosophy and practice on others. The word "pride" is used very liberally these days, as something that is good. I think it is, next to money, a root of evil in very many leaders and teachers purporting to be Christian. Sadly, arrogance is often mistaken for righteousness.

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Date Posted:19/02/2008 3:51 AMCopy HTML

George, After you read "Animal Farm" and "1984", tjhen "Lord of the Flies" would be a good read. It's not a big book and knowing your ability, you'd read it in no time at all. In a perfect world we all should have locked Scott away with those three books and not let him out till he saw the errors of his way, with true tears and repentance. They are more enlightening than most of the books on the "CAI Obligatory List".

My mate Les has just come back from visiting his parents in Canada. He said he's come from minus 35 to plus 35 centigrade. From too darn cold, to too darn hot.

Keep up the good fight,

John
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AGL you are reading Mein Kampf. Careful, reading it may turn you into Scott Williams. Of course you must have the copy translated from the correct original Gothic Recieved Text (or is that Greek) or you will be misinformed, by not being able to exegete, trasmogrify, or supercalafragilisticexpealodocious it. There are them that read it, there are them that understand it, and there are them that do it. Whatever you read, pray for discernment and above all, care and humility with putting that knowledge into practice in dealing with others.

Now, John. You wouldn't be elevating and promoting ignorance as the great "leveller", would you? [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE]

You do cause me to smile.

Blessings,

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Ian,
 
I would rather sup with the ignorant than the arrogant. The former can in their simplicity be warm of heart. The latter often have lost theirs. For them I do not smile, but in my more reflective and pensive moments, I weep.

John
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Ian,

I would rather sup with the ignorant than the arrogant. The former can in their simplicity be warm of heart. The latter often have lost theirs. For them I do not smile, but in my more reflective and pensive moments, I weep.

John

John,

Aha! But I've often discovered it to be the case that many are actually proud of their ignorance: they believe themselves capable of great understanding (and, I suppose, spirituality) without having recourse to people more knowledgeable then they. Pride isn't limited to simply the learned, my friend [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE]

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Ian,

I wrote arrogant, not learned. There you go again. It's always about your knowledge. What a shame you did all that study and it is marred by petulance. Have you never stopped to consider how alike you are to what so many of us on this forum have come out from? Immutable opinions. Pedantry. You may indeed be right. But I can't trust that you are, because you have all the hallmarks of self righteouness that send out danger signals. You can refute me easily with theological arguments. I got all those same diatribes from elders and pastors (so called) in the PRC and CAI who knew Greek (or so they said). You say you know Greek and can exegete and eisegete and that I and others are taking scripturse out of context. You so often do so without explanation of why or how. You just brush us off. What are we grist for the mill to you? Just another silly unlearned ex Revivalists with the wrong bible, the wrong background and un-Greeeked? I stopped being a KJV only person so long ago I forgotten when. Then you come along with the almost identical pedantry to another version! You stop only a centimetre short of saying that the word of God cannot be found in the KJV. No other language has the abundance of versions found in English. I'll bet many are from a sinilar source to the KJV. Are all these other nationalies also doomed?

Kinnane had a hard faced attitude. He'd often say "I am not here to be your friend". Did he have to be our enemy? It's deja vu with you Ian.

I hope you will change one day. Otherwise, what a waste. I have wondered whether or not you did all that study of theology and Greek just to prove you are better than Lloyd or Noel or whomever. Sometimes I wonder if you are only one step above "Father McKenzie" in the Beatles song "Eleanor Rigby".

You call me "my friend" and add "blessings". Do you understand friendship or blessing? Will platitudes cover malice?

John
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hey Ian & John,

come on, guys, why don't you read a book for a change? Will take your mind of it...

blessings,

a friend
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Carsten,

Read a book! Read a book! I am reading sheets and sheets and sheets about German Reflexive Verbs. Just when I though it was safe to go back in the water after being attacked by the Separable Verb Shark, along came the huge white pointer Refexive Verb Shark.

The first time we did Separable Verbs in class we were given a sentence (don't ask me to find it) with "ein" as the last word. Much muttering amongst the class. Why is there "one" at the end of the sentence. Yep. The first half of an "ein" separable verb. Jesus said "the first shall be last". See Jesus didn't go to England as Scott used to waffle on about......it was Germany!

Tomorrow it is "Fun with Hun" night, back to my Reflexive Verbs.

May our Father bless you too friend, I ask in Jesus' name.

John
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"...Surely there is not another language that is so slipshod and systemless, and so slippery and elusive to the grasp. One is washed about in it, hither and thither, in the most helpless way; and when at last he thinks he has captured a rule which offers firm ground to take a rest on amid the general rage and turmoil of the ten parts of speech, he turns over the page and reads, "Let the pupil make careful note of the following exceptions." He runs his eye down and finds that there are more exceptions to the rule than instances of it. So overboard he goes again, to hunt for another Ararat and find another quicksand. Such has been, and continues to be, my experience. Every time I think I have got one of these four confusing "cases" where I am master of it, a seemingly insignificant preposition intrudes itself into my sentence, clothed with an awful and unsuspected power, and crumbles the ground from under me. For instance, my book inquires after a certain bird -- (it is always inquiring after things which are of no sort of consequence to anybody): "Where is the bird?" Now the answer to this question -- according to the book -- is that the bird is waiting in the blacksmith shop on account of the rain. Of course no bird would do that, but then you must stick to the book. Very well, I begin to cipher out the German for that answer. I begin at the wrong end, necessarily, for that is the German idea. I say to myself, "Regen (rain) is masculine -- or maybe it is feminine -- or possibly neuter -- it is too much trouble to look now. Therefore, it is either der (the) Regen, or die (the) Regen, or das (the) Regen, according to which gender it may turn out to be when I look. In the interest of science, I will cipher it out on the hypothesis that it is masculine. Very well -- then the rain is der Regen, if it is simply in the quiescent state of being mentioned, without enlargement or discussion -- Nominative case; but if this rain is lying around, in a kind of a general way on the ground, it is then definitely located, it is doing something -- that is, resting (which is one of the German grammar's ideas of doing something), and this throws the rain into the Dative case, and makes it dem Regen. However, this rain is not resting, but is doing something actively, -- it is falling -- to interfere with the bird, likely -- and this indicates movement, which has the effect of sliding it into the Accusative case and changing dem Regen into den Regen." Having completed the grammatical horoscope of this matter, I answer up confidently and state in German that the bird is staying in the blacksmith shop "wegen (on account of) den Regen." Then the teacher lets me softly down with the remark that whenever the word "wegen" drops into a sentence, it always throws that subject into the Genitive case, regardless of consequences -- and that therefore this bird stayed in the blacksmith shop "wegen des Regens."

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have fun!

and, btw - thanks a lot for your mail lately. Think we are basically pulling on the same string there.

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Reply to Carsten R (15/02/2008 02:42:35).

and, btw - thanks a lot for your mail lately. Think we are basically pulling on the same string there.


Yep, nice to have friends who agree with you - Ubrg. do all guys named Carsten have a brown nose ?


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Hi John,

Canada is a big place you know. Right now, in my corner of the country, the flowers are out, the trees are in full bud, the sun is shining and it is about +9 or 10 degrees. Our lambs are running in the field, I have bought my seed for the veggie garden and will start planting in about 3-4 weeks time. You should come out and visit sometime!

G.
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Ian,

I wrote arrogant, not learned. There you go again. It's always about your knowledge. What a shame you did all that study and it is marred by petulance. Have you never stopped to consider how alike you are to what so many of us on this forum have come out from? Immutable opinions. Pedantry. You may indeed be right. But I can't trust that you are, because you have all the hallmarks of self righteouness that send out danger signals. You can refute me easily with theological arguments. I got all those same diatribes from elders and pastors (so called) in the PRC and CAI who knew Greek (or so they said). You say you know Greek and can exegete and eisegete and that I and others are taking scripturse out of context. You so often do so without explanation of why or how. You just brush us off. What are we grist for the mill to you? Just another silly unlearned ex Revivalists with the wrong bible, the wrong background and un-Greeeked? I stopped being a KJV only person so long ago I forgotten when. Then you come along with the almost identical pedantry to another version! You stop only a centimetre short of saying that the word of God cannot be found in the KJV. No other language has the abundance of versions found in English. I'll bet many are from a sinilar source to the KJV. Are all these other nationalies also doomed?

Kinnane had a hard faced attitude. He'd often say "I am not here to be your friend". Did he have to be our enemy? It's deja vu with you Ian.

I hope you will change one day. Otherwise, what a waste. I have wondered whether or not you did all that study of theology and Greek just to prove you are better than Lloyd or Noel or whomever. Sometimes I wonder if you are only one step above "Father McKenzie" in the Beatles song "Eleanor Rigby".

You call me "my friend" and add "blessings". Do you understand friendship or blessing? Will platitudes cover malice?

John

John

Assumptions, assumptions [EMOTE]smiley-laughing.gif[/EMOTE] But here's where I suppose I must lay my cards on the table, so to speak, and for your own good: John, seriously, you have got to be one of the most self-righteous, arrogant and hyper-critical men that I've ever come across! Anywhere. But, meh? I still like you, and I still have time for you [EMOTE]smiley-kiss.gif[/EMOTE] But for goodness sakes, you've got to stop trying to point out all the little splinters that you believe you see in the eyes of others, when you've got whopping great big railway sleepers poking out of your own! [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE]

Feel free to refute, rebut or otherwise; but you can't change the facts, and this isn't a competition: when I comment on matters biblical/doctrinal, I'm doing so from a position of informed understanding. Such isn't arrogance, brother, simply an honset appreciation of one's gifting and calling [EMOTE]smiley-smile.gif[/EMOTE]

Blessings,

Ian
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"Ubrg. do all guys named Carsten have a brown nose ?"

Don't know. 

One thing's sure though: all AGLs are dickheads.

quod erat demonstrandum, as the French say...

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Reply to Carsten R (15/02/2008 02:42:35).
hey Ian & John,

come on, guys, why don't you read a book for a change? Will take your mind of it...

blessings,

a friend

Carsten,

Ha, ha, perhaps we should! [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE] But then again, I reflect that it was ignorance of the facts that caught all of you guys up into the clutches of the CAI to begin with, and it was ignorance of the facts that kept you enslaved there for so long [EMOTE]smiley-cry.gif[/EMOTE] So, 'no', ignorance must be addressed head-on, especially when it forms the basis of a wholly misplaced arrogance.

Blessings,

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Just finished reading Foucalt's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, and published by Harcourt. A very good read, and far, far better than the Davici Code! If your bent is towards fiction that requires a little concentration, then you really can't go past Eco. I also enjoyed reading Thomason and Caldwell's, The Rule of Four.

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Reply to Carsten R (15/02/2008 02:42:3

One thing's sure though: all AGLs are dickheads.


Amen, thats why the name !

I just like to see who really does turn the other cheek - it's easy to say it !

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Hey - just read that one, too. The part I actually loved best is when the narrators girlfriend basically wipes out all those fine spun theories with her simple, down to earth explanations - laughed my head off reading... great book.leaves you greatly confused... :)

right now I am reading the name of the rose (again) but am stuck a little as Mr Dürrenmatt requires full attention... So good and great fun to read some of that stuff again... good ol' books.

regards,

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Ian,

John, seriously, you have got to be one of the most self-righteous, arrogant and hyper-critical men that I've ever come across! Anywhere.

You must live a sheltered existence. But no you don't! Has army gotten woosy?

You have commented many times that you are puzzled about ex CAI people. Do ex CAI people seem to be like GRC or Revival Centre people x 10? Or x 100? If you think that way, you get the prize offf the top shelf. You even went to the trouble of mentioning in a recent post that you would send you latest exposition to GRC and Revival pastors but not to CAI pastors. You said it would be a waste of time, and if you and I were gambling men I'd put my money with yours. Is it that the CAI did such battles with you some years back and rattled your cage? You have alluded to such. I wasn't around here or then. There may be stuff in the annals of this forum I haven't searched it out and have no real desire to do so.

In one of your recent replies you went to the trouble of stating your height 6'3" (which incidentally is a quarter of an inch taller than I when the army measured me a few decades back) and that you weren't bald like Scott. Childish. Let me add that you have (rightly) chided me for calling Kinnane's daughter a bitch. After your exhortation I have toned down my language heaps on this forum. All I need to do is the same in general life (especially in Melbourne traffic) and that's another fault/sin I can get off my list. How about you? (rhetorical question)

Why did any of us get into and stay so long in the PRC and its hell-child the CAI? Because we did. Is there always a logical explanation to anything people do? I don't understand why my niece wants to live in Darwin, but she does. We aren't sub human. There are no degrees to sin as far as I can read in the Bible. Just sin and repentance.

I'll pass off much of what you say as a product of where and what you are and do in life. The hyper-critical label you place on me is very accurate, you could add cynical and opinionated, and that too would be accurate. Odd really, because I give, share and forgive in the extreme too. But that is the enigma that is me.

You still "have time for me" you say, and call me "brother", which is perhaps an advancement on you formerly saying that you didn't think I had the Holy Spirit. You make mention of your "calling", but make no confession to being hyper-critical, cynical and opinionated. That's the enigma that is you.

As Brutus said to Cassius "Do you see yourself other than by reflection?" (Shakespeare's Julius Caesar)

I am no respecter of persons. I am neither superior nor inferor to you. I will do no obeisance to you. As I previously stated your stance on many things smacks of Revivalist upper echelon omnipotence. You strain at gnats and swallow camels, as do many of us who post here. It would be "nice" if you could admit to prigishness (priggery?) once in a while.

I will pray about mellowing (yet again!). I hope you will too. Both of us......reciprocally.

John
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Ian,

John, seriously, you have got to be one of the most self-righteous, arrogant and hyper-critical men that I've ever come across! Anywhere.

You must live a sheltered existence. But no you don't! Has army gotten woosy?

You have commented many times that you are puzzled about ex CAI people. Do ex CAI people seem to be like GRC or Revival Centre people x 10? Or x 100? If you think that way, you get the prize offf the top shelf. You even went to the trouble of mentioning in a recent post that you would send you latest exposition to GRC and Revival pastors but not to CAI pastors. You said it would be a waste of time, and if you and I were gambling men I'd put my money with yours. Is it that the CAI did such battles with you some years back and rattled your cage? You have alluded to such. I wasn't around here or then. There may be stuff in the annals of this forum I haven't searched it out and have no real desire to do so.

In one of your recent replies you went to the trouble of stating your height 6'3" (which incidentally is a quarter of an inch taller than I when the army measured me a few decades back) and that you weren't bald like Scott. Childish. Let me add that you have (rightly) chided me for calling Kinnane's daughter a bitch. After your exhortation I have toned down my language heaps on this forum. All I need to do is the same in general life (especially in Melbourne traffic) and that's another fault/sin I can get off my list. How about you? (rhetorical question)

Why did any of us get into and stay so long in the PRC and its hell-child the CAI? Because we did. Is there always a logical explanation to anything people do? I don't understand why my niece wants to live in Darwin, but she does. We aren't sub human. There are no degrees to sin as far as I can read in the Bible. Just sin and repentance.

I'll pass off much of what you say as a product of where and what you are and do in life. The hyper-critical label you place on me is very accurate, you could add cynical and opinionated, and that too would be accurate. Odd really, because I give, share and forgive in the extreme too. But that is the enigma that is me.

You still "have time for me" you say, and call me "brother", which is perhaps an advancement on you formerly saying that you didn't think I had the Holy Spirit. You make mention of your "calling", but make no confession to being hyper-critical, cynical and opinionated. That's the enigma that is you.

As Brutus said to Cassius "Do you see yourself other than by reflection?" (Shakespeare's Julius Caesar)

I am no respecter of persons. I am neither superior nor inferor to you. I will do no obeisance to you. As I previously stated your stance on many things smacks of Revivalist upper echelon omnipotence. You strain at gnats and swallow camels, as do many of us who post here. It would be "nice" if you could admit to prigishness (priggery?) once in a while.

I will pray about mellowing (yet again!). I hope you will too. Both of us......reciprocally.

John

John,

Still more snide comments on my chosen occupation, eh? [EMOTE]smiley-undecided.gif[/EMOTE]  Anyway, I've had the opportunity to sit back and watch how you personally interract with others for quite some time now (and I've thoroughly enjoyed your many and varied personas: for e.g. the old "Mailboy" one really was quite a hoot!). To be honest though, there is one thing about you which I really haven't been able to figure out. And that's the fact that you managed to stay in any sort of 'church' for any extended period of time: you present as having a very real problem with authority. It seems to me, that you honestly believe yourself above learning from, or being corrected by, others. It's almost as if you're completely unable (perhaps unwilling?) to accept that other people might have considerably more intrinsic authority, knowledge and understanding than have you [EMOTE]smiley-sealed.gif[/EMOTE] I'm left wondering whether this is an ingrained habit from your time in the PRC/CAI, or whether it's a personality flaw? Either way, you really will need to deal with it, eventually.

But you're perfectly correct about the amazing and wholy unique mind-set which is the CAI! You fellows really are a breed apart from everyone else, especially when it comes to the remarkable degree of paranoia that you guys somehow manage to sustain, year after year. Of course, I realised much of this from the very first moment that certain CAI "officers" sought to interract with myself and a handful of others on the previous 'Revivalist' forum a number of years ago. That particular forum (www.cultweb.net) was shut down very quickly, via legal threats, as ASW realised that he had made a considerable tactical blunder in attempting to debate theology with myself, with Nick Greer and with Troy Waller. And as I recall, we were the only three individual posters who threatened your former fellowship enough to warrant solicitor's letters from the CAI Inc. To be frank, the "battles" (as you have called them) of that time were so completely one-sided as to be farcical [EMOTE]smiley-laughing.gif[/EMOTE]  Anyway, I suppose ASW's misplaced superiority complex backfired terribly, given that it precipitated matters to the point where we currently find the CAI, today.

Now, concerning my choosing not to forward my Acts essay to CAI "officers", well, what would have been the point?! There are few who are so ignorant, and yet so dogmatic, then those remaining within the CAI. But would you like to know what I find a little ironic, given your comments on this subject? It's this: I've received scores of emails from  former and current RCI, RF and GRC people asking for copies of the essay. Would you care to hazard a guess how many former CAI 'folk' have approached me requesting a copy? One! [EMOTE]smiley-tongue-out.gif[/EMOTE] One ... single ... individual. What does this suggest to you? I'd be happy to share with you what it suggests to me [EMOTE]smiley-tongue-out.gif[/EMOTE]

In a nutshell, I fear that you and I are nothing alike, John. I'll quite happily confess that I'm an 'acquired' taste. In fact, I liken myself to a full-bodied Merlot [EMOTE]smiley-laughing.gif[/EMOTE] But you, however, seem to be a little closer to common vinegar for my taste! [EMOTE]smiley-cry.gif[/EMOTE]

Now you are perfectly welcome to sit back and think more highly of yourself, and less highly of others, than (perhaps) you ought. But I'd suggest that the issue has never been about me demanding any sort of respect (or 'obeisance') from you. I'm simply focussed on a ministry that I've exercised for almost a decade: a ministry which has proven itself, a ministry which works, and one that spans the gammut of Revivalist groups. Having reflected at length, I'm not too sure what you're trying to achieve, though.

Blessings,

Ian

Blessings,

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Hey - just read that one, too. The part I actually loved best is when the narrators girlfriend basically wipes out all those fine spun theories with her simple, down to earth explanations - laughed my head off reading... great book.leaves you greatly confused... :)

right now I am reading the name of the rose (again) but am stuck a little as Mr Dürrenmatt requires full attention... So good and great fun to read some of that stuff again... good ol' books.

regards,

Carsten




Carsten,

'Yep', Lia bursts Casaubon's bubble rather nicely! [EMOTE]smiley-laughing.gif[/EMOTE] I'm a big fan of Eco's writing, literary and philosophical (although I will admit to baulking at certain of his theories--most notably Reader-Response criticism, on which I've written at length, elsewhere). The Name of the Rose is another classic read; I haven't revisited it in about 3 years, but I still feel the same fondness for William of Baskerville as I did when, as a young fellow, I first discovered the book!

I'd warmly recommend the to you The Rule of Four. It's a book that shares a similar feel to Foucault's Pendulum, coupled with the mystery of The Name of the Rose [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE]

Blessings,

Ian
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Just finished reading Foucalt's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, and published by Harcourt. A very good read, and far, far better than the Davici Code! If your bent is towards fiction that requires a little concentration, then you really can't go past Eco. I also enjoyed reading Thomason and Caldwell's, The Rule of Four.
Ian

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thanks for letting me know.... Eco - will take note. I read Davci Code ages ago...  a load of rubbish (as is the film).  ...my opinion.
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anon1,

Foucault's pendulum is also a load of rubbish. but it's set up quite intelligently. :) 
And I guess Eco knows more about "the topic" as anybody. Apart from Wilson & Shea...

C.

 

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Just finished reading Foucalt's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, and published by Harcourt. A very good read, and far, far better than the Davici Code! If your bent is towards fiction that requires a little concentration, then you really can't go past Eco. I also enjoyed reading Thomason and Caldwell's, The Rule of Four.
Ian

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thanks for letting me know.... Eco - will take note. I read Davci Code ages ago... a load of rubbish (as is the film). ...my opinion.
Ta
anon1

Anon,

Understand that Eco's book is a work of fiction [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE] Actually, part and parcel of his aim was to take a myriad of religious consipracy theories, and weave them into his novel so as to demonstrate just how gullible some people are [EMOTE]smiley-laughing.gif[/EMOTE] That was the reason for Carsten's previous comment about  the narrator's girlfriend debunking the rubbish.

Blessings,

Ian
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Hi Ian Didaktikon

thanks -  hey I read fiction (The Bible) long enough and now know not to take it fiction too seriously, boom-boom...!  ....queue the humour:   boom-boom - a famous saying by stuffed animal (basil brush) on UK TV... used to end a joke/wise-crack.  Fiction - is for me is getting lost in an interesting/imaginative/thought provoking plot.   i.e. Eco could do the trick - but won#t  know till I findout  

I won't be looking  to divine too deeply for spiritual meaning and answers to life

Personal favourites for this sort of thing are the Douglas Adams 'Hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy" books or possibly a little bit of Terry Pratchet, though he gets a bit irratating after a while.   Great antidote to repressed cult  reading lists!




 

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To Anon1,

42!

From a froody dude who knows where his towel is at.

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Would you care to hazard a guess how many former CAI 'folk' have approached me requesting a copy? One One ... single ... individual.


I would love to read it actually -

Let me have a copy please ?
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Reply to is_aimoo_guest (15/02/2008 02:42:35).



Would you care to hazard a guess how many former CAI 'folk' have approached me requesting a copy? One One ... single ... individual.


I would love to read it actually -

Let me have a copy please ?

Well, I have no idea of who you are, or where to email it! So I'd suggest that if you'd like a copy, that you drop me a line at the email address, below.

Ian

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I can count on one hand those who I have met that exercise authority with any measure of righteousness. A favourite scripture of mine is "I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking like servants in the earth" (Ecclesiastes 10:7). Funny how you say I have a problem, when bosses I have worked for have said the opposite and have promoted and rewarded me, beyond any expectation of mine, for loyalty and leadership. I would not be where I am now if it wasn't for five great men in particular, one being the greatest man I have ever known, my dad. I did and still do stand in awe of their leadership. At a guess I'd say more than half of my staff have been with me for over 6 or 7 years, with four being with me for over fifteen. They are either masochists or perhaps they like and trust me. However I don't suffer fools gladly and indeed do have a real problem with intractability. By the way I chose "mailboy" because of my business (data and mail processing et al), "mailman" had already been taken.

Yesterday my new estimator came to apologise for making a mistake that could have cost thousands of dollars. I started our discussion by describing some of my costly errors, to ease his distress. I said that errors are errors, it's what we do about endeavouring not to repeat them and caring that we have made them. I finished the discussion by telling him that our Sales Manager, his colleagues and I were very happy with his diligence to date, and that his error also highlighted OUR errors in the checking process. he gave me an undertaking to learn from the error.

You seem to see things as black or white, you certainly have no idea about me. But then again you haven't tried.

I think I have said this to you before, but nevertheless I will reiterate, you can crack a wallnut with a sledge hammer, but a nutcracker does a neater job.

I don't want to be like you Ian. Where did you get that idea? I wouldn't like you to be like me. One of me is enough for this world!

As to high thoughts of myself, my friends and colleagues tell me I'm too self-effacing. I guess that's why I am not interested in the "empires" some of my contemporaries in my line of business have built. My business is now in its 20th year. Again, I often quote Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood) "a mans got to know his limitations". Nevertheless by the grace of God, my cup runs over.

I am not trying to achieve anything Ian. As Gag Halfrunt said about Zaphod Beeblebrox in "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy".... "He's just zis guy, you know?" I am the quintessential "accidental tourist".

Maybe only one ex CAI person has asked for your treatise, because you openly, and sometimes with vitriol, show contempt for us. Jesus had compassion for lepers. You don't have to tell us we are offscouring, we already know that. Yes, I was tempted to ask you for a copy, but didn't want to feed your ego that is so prominent. You are very clever Ian. I struggle with German, but stubbornly persist. A mature teacher would not score points but try nurture. I did that with Roger my estimator yesterday.

I don't drink wine due to the effects of ulcerative colitis (and accursed cortizone overdoses) on my liver, so I don't know what a merlot tastes like. I will endeavour to sweeten my vinegar. Don't brush my exhortations aside. Examine yourself. I do. Satan would be delighted if we became reprobates.

John

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John,

You need to take a few of those 'tickets' off yourself big-fella, as the very last thing that you present as being here is self-effacing. Quite the contrary, in fact [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE]

Blessings,

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Hey peeps

I would like to point on some good books in my book shelf:

a. Conversation with God, from Neale Donald Walsch.

It did help me to find a new relationship with God, it is lovely, touching, humorous and full of wisdom.
There have been so many misunderstandings about God, what He thinks, what He wants us to do, where we come and where we go.

Beautiful!

And the next is perhaps of interest for you George:

b. Abermals krähte der Hahn, from Karlheinz Deschner.

A well researched examination about Christian-history, starting with the known Church-Fathers, he shows very clearly, that the people who believed in Jesus did break apart into many fractions soon after his death and that what we know today as Christianity is mainly based on the ideas of Paul which are a mirror of the mediterranean beliefs of that time. And retroactive Pauls doctrines even did change the scriptures known as the Gospels.

c. Denn sie wissen nicht, was sie glauben, from Franz Buggle

He is throwing some light on the subject, that the church might be imperfect, but that we need the bible as a ethnic foundation.

As many other inside this forum, I did read the bible from start to end many many times. What struck me hard is, that I did never read it from an objective point of view.

For example the story about the Israelites leaving Egypt. That is not a nice open fire story about a God who cares. I did never realize, how much grief this would have done to the Egypts - if it ever happened-. What a barbaric way shown in the entire old testament! And remember this - no longer so nice - God did harden
the heart of the Pharao for to show his mighty! Can you think about the terror that it would have been done to an entire nation to slaughter all first born in 1 night? People who have children might think about this.

And Jesus? Love? The god of the old testament killed all around him - only -.
Jesus will throw you into hell for ETERNITY for minor mistakes, like calling your brother a fool. Eternity! You know how long that is? Bathing in burning oil, how sadistic, theres no love in that!

Reading the book mentioned above, makes it clear, that the believe in the old or new testament leads to big lack in humanity. If the source is weird, the result is weird too.

The world would be a much better place without this religious crap! As a result I have left the church.

c. God is not great, from Christopher Hitchens

a more popular book, but well researched and good written.

***

I think there is spirituality in every person and religion is a way to express it (like looking ernest while speaking about your faith, putting red leather shoes and old fashioned clothes on while celebrating a mess, believing you are not worthy, dancing naked around a tree, or just lighting a candle,  ...), but every religion is only A way. And as long everyone holds his believe system to himself and tolerates the other ones expression of faith, everything is fine.

>>We might have been the victims of a twothousand year old joke<<

So Christians dont be so tense :) Relax!


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"Notes From A Small Island" by Bill Bryson. It's one of the funniest books I have ever read. 


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"Notes From A Small Island" by Bill Bryson. It's one of the funniest books I have ever read.

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 How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth
Book by Gordon Fee

Well written, but it seems a lot of work to just understand the Bible, Surely or Flying High movie Shirly, it must be easier to read the good book than taking 500 hours to work out the meaning of a scripture, then not every one will come to the same conclusion.

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Hey Neddles, you just need to be appreciative of those that have come before you, have done most of the hard work.
With out the help and blessing of the Spirit in their lives, many of us would still be in as much ignorance today as there was/is in Revival.

Nothing comes easy, much work and sacrifice is still 
required and God will make things new.

God bless

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 Thanks Ralph,

Very good!! Those who took the battles before us paved the way for us leaving... and it was by realising many others had gone before, pointing out the same things that we finally saw, that gave us the evidence of the lies, cover-ups, character assasinations and all that the CAI self appointed leaders had been conducting ever since the very beginning...

... which takes me to the next point: for some years now, I have been waiting to see whether Franz would put some action to his words. "The Bible, of course" in response to my direct question to some people's faces: "should there be evidence to contradiction between the assembly teaching and the Bible - the New Testsament - what should one obey?". Since that is not happening, the time has come for the next step: To ensure that the properties are used for true charity, money paid to the victims who suffered the most during their time in the cult prison, and then a due commitance to serving those who suffered and devoting the remainder of their lives to charity....

... soon the call is going out to them... or they will see the consequences of their unwillingness to respond to the truth and love so badly needed. Another call is about to go out to those of you out there willing to join the next wave....


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