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Date Posted:24/06/2008 2:29 AMCopy HTML

I have just read this really informative book about spiritual warfare for those baptised with the holy ghost written in 1912, from the Welsh revivals of the time I think.  it is :
War On The Saints
by Jessie Penn-Lewis with Evan Roberts
World Wide Web Edition the Unabridged 1912 Edition)

It is a bit long and goes over the same ground a bit, and probably takes the issue too far, but after reading it, perhaps we don't take the issue far enough?

You can access it for free on the net here:

http://www.acts1711.com/wots.htm


Has anyone else read this?  Does anyone else have an opinion about such matters, or should I start a new discussion on this?

Regards Paul.
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Re:War on the Saints

Date Posted:26/06/2008 6:39 AMCopy HTML

Hi Paul,

I haven't read that particular book, but another couple I have read are, "The Welsh Revival" It's origin and development. By Thomas Phillips and "Revival Year Surmons" by C.H.Spurgeon- Preached In The Surrey Music Hall 1859

They were certainly amazing times and I don't doubt for a moment that it all happened. (my opinion only)

Very exciting to read about.

Such a shame Revivalism in its many forms today isn't as pure of heart and experience as the Welsh Revival.

A new discussion would be good if people are interested. I find the Welsh Revival inspirational and humbling.

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Date Posted:09/07/2008 3:31 AMCopy HTML

Reply to misterkilometres (23/06/2008 20:29:50)

I have just read this really informative book about spiritual warfare for those baptised with the holy ghost written in 1912, from the Welsh revivals of the time I think.  it is :
War On The Saints
by Jessie Penn-Lewis with Evan Roberts
World Wide Web Edition the Unabridged 1912 Edition)

It is a bit long and goes over the same ground a bit, and probably takes the issue too far, but after reading it, perhaps we don't take the issue far enough?

You can access it for free on the net here:

http://www.acts1711.com/wots.htm


Has anyone else read this?  Does anyone else have an opinion about such matters, or should I start a new discussion on this?

Regards Paul.


I have a hard bound copy in my library.. It would be more beneficial to read the FULL historical account of the Welsh Revival starting with the conversion and public confession of the teenage girl Florrie Evans and this was sparked by the ministries of Seth Joshua and Joseph Jenkins... These two men were the "firestarters" of the Welsh Revival and the Holy Spirit began moving in Wales well before Evan Roberts came into the story.

But the irony of the whole story is that when Evan fatigued and burnt out and withdrew from the revival that the Welsh Revival collapsed and grounded to a halt. It was at this point of the revival account that Jessie Penn - Lewis enters the story.

I would challenge you to read the account of the Hebrides Revival of 1949.. Pay particular attention to the role of the Presbyterian Minister, the Reverend Duncan Campbell and the role of the church elders in starting this glorious move of God that shook the whole Hebrides!!!

By the way the correct understanding of the terminology of the word "Revival" does not under any circumstance and scrutiny match the RCI and RF concept of what a real revival is.. These two errant groups have merely stolen the name " revival " believing the word applies to them.. How sadly deceived the RCI and RF are..

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Ps This is the church where the Hebrides Revival started




and here is a link to an account of the Story

http://www.omegafaith.org/hebridesrevivalintro.htm

blessings..
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Date Posted:09/07/2008 7:24 AMCopy HTML

This page is the source of the picture:

www.churchmodel.org.uk/Revival.html


What Is Revival?

Revival is a term commonly used within the Christian Church to describe an infusion of spiritual life into those who believe. They are brought closer to God in their experience and their lifestyle, and they witness the faith to the world more powerfully. Revival also includes the awakening to spiritual things of those who don't believe. The contact between enlivened believers and awakened unbelievers leads to many conversions and substantial growth within the church.

Although the word revival does not appear in the New Testament, the phenomena is present in the Acts of the Apostles and called an "outpouring of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:17-18). It is believed that Jonathan Edwards was the first person to popularise the word "revival" when he described an outpouring of the Spirit in Northampton Massachusetts as a "revival of religion" (Edwards, 1965 [1736], p.17). The word is used slightly differently by some other authors.

Barvas Parish church on the Isle of Lewis, Outer Hebrides, Scotland. It was here that Duncan Campbell started his mission in 1949, at the beginning of the Hebridean revival. Duncan Campbell described revival as "a community saturated with God"

It is believed by many Christians that the growth of the church occurs primarily through such outpourings of the Spirit which happen with different intensities. Thus, although the Christian church grows using human means, preaching, witnessing, word of mouth contact, etc. the conversion only occurs as a result of Holy Spirit's work. The sets apart the growth of the Christian church as a different phenomena from that of any other organisation. Church growth when it involves true believers, is a supernatural phenomena.


http://www.omegafaith.org/hebridesrevivalintro.htm

blessings

Disciple

ps another good link

members.aol.com/thewaycm/revival/hebredies.html

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Reply to brolga (09/07/2008 02:04:16)

I feel that this type of "following" the Lord is very 'pluralistic' (if that is the term to use?). There seems to be many different forms that the Holy Spirit takes in His administering the Gospel.
 
What I am finding different in Orthodox religion, is a singleness of purpose that the Holy Spirit teaches from the Word and one is as close to God as one can get in this present age who follow, by faith in Christ.

The Holy Spirit influence in the written word is complete, and for any to claim one has to have certain experiences outside of that which is written, to bring them closer to God, or be "spiritual" is, I feel, a premonition, as we can see from the likes of people such as Benny Hinn and various Revival groups, RCI, GRC, etc., have evolved out of such practises.


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Not so.. I have myself been caught up into Heaven in the spirit and I have been taken totally out of my body... And Jesus spoked to me person to person and his voice was like a very loud shout and Jesus said to me " I am coming back !! " and this story is as true as the sky is blue. .... And this sort of experience is well spoken of in the New Testament. Whether you believe it or not, is of no importance to me.. All I know is that I am not going to deny it happened and call God a liar..

blessings

Disciple

PS The Catholic Church has a huge wealth of documentation of such mystical experience... eg St John of the Cross, The Ecstacy of Saint Theresa to name a couple..  But then did not Jesus clearly state "Seek first the Realm of God and His righteousness" ???? The Bible is totally supernatural and the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob is still God All Mighty..

Also I have to do a paper on St. John of the Cross this semester !! for Spiritual Formation and I am eager to go up to Banyo to visit the library of the Australian Catholic University to start my research. Would also like to do a private research on Saint Anthony too !! sometime.

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Date Posted:10/07/2008 1:04 AMCopy HTML

 Hi Disciple,

Both Theresa (of Avila) and John of the Cross were deep, pondering personalities.  It was a long time ago, when I read plenty of the literature on the saints, not having thought much on it since.  After that when there was RCI/RF these things were put aside, as of course,  the concentration became only on modern day "saints" of RCI and RF.

John of the cross had his deep, dark, brooding,  side especially apparent in the book "Dark Night of the Soul" and as I said, a long time ago, but I found it extremely interesting.

Looking forward to hearing more on your research.

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