Re：VOTE 'NO' TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE
Date Posted：26/06/2009 2:14 AMCopy HTML
REPLY TO SHOES
I never post on the forum proper, but something about your story has touched my heart.
In a good way I hope ShOes.
I understand completely where you are coming from, in fact just about everyone posting on these forums shares your same story of pain. I can also clearly see your logic. I admit to having a similar rebounding experience, where I replaced all the judgement and condemnation with the notion of free and permissive love. It is very easy to run from the harshness of what we have known and like a pendulum swing to the opposite extreme, but when in doubt, we have to go back to the Bible to find God's will.
I would not say I have swung completely the other way. I am not a homosexual, so that has never been an issue for me. I guess for me it is more of a question of I can tell homosexuals what the bible says until I am blue in the face, but how is that going to change them? People have to WANT to follow what the Bible says, I can't MAKE them, and I cannot justify in my own mind ramming it down anyone's throat. There are many issues in humanity I would like to address. Lying is my particular favourite. In our society we are taught it is okay to lie to ourselves and others from an early age. Goes on all the time, and it is such a part of out society now people just ignore it. How come no one addresses that?
I am no great fan of people just running amok with permissive anything. I am still a pretty boring person myself.
Love in Christianity is pre-eminent, it is written into the two greatest commandments and the new commandment, but love is not an emotion, it is the act of showing kindness and care.
Agreed. It is an act of the will more than an emotion. I am not much of a one for that airy fairy love. I have a drug and alcohol addicted sister whom I have been taking care of most of her life. Loving her through that has been a very interesting experience in what love is not. I am not even a great fan of that "falling in love" business. Seems to be some kind of a short lasting lust based psychosis.
Where this pertains to the current debate, is that true love is not wishing people to continue in their sin, estranged from the plan of God. Kindness and compassion should of course, always be shown, but we need to direct people towards the will of God. Society today has become very permissive, but that doesn't equate to love. Jesus did love the sinners, but he never condoned their sin.
Depends what you think "direct" is. I may tell people, once, what the bible says. After that its up to them. My lack of interest in continually telling people what they should be doing is not necessarily condoning it. I have learned from hard experience that continually annoying people only makes me a pain.
Furthermore Galien, despite the critical importance of "Love", it is not the centre of Christianity, Jesus Christ is. If we are to be truly Christian then we are called as Ian rightly pointed out, to follow Jesus. This is the literal translation of "Christian", follower of Christ, and it clearly teaches that Christ's instruction MUST be of a higher importance than our own thoughts.
For me, love is the centre of Christianity. For some its faith, for others prayer. I don't believe the Bible makes it clear that there is a "centre". For me, and my heart, the part that tells me I can do all the other things but if I have not love I am nothing is the thing that resonates in my spirit. The bible also tells me that God is love. Even Jesus himself said to love god with all your heart soul mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself, on this turns all the law and the prophets. So I figured he thought it was pretty important.
It is our calling Galien to preach the truth of the Word of God, that people may repent of their sins whether small or great and see the Righteousness of God. Jesus sacrifice has broken the power of Sin, the real message is that we are not only free from a guilty verdict, but that the power of the tempter has been broken. We can now choose to live exactly the life that God always intended for us.
Choice being the operative word. Most people do not give a flying fig about god, his word, or what they should be doing. After the horrible, horrible things I have seen christians do and say, it is a much harder job to present the gospel to others than it used to be. Most people I know would not spit on christians if they were on fire. There is a reason for that, and a lot of the time it has to do with the judgemental superior way we do it.