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Date Posted:17/06/2009 4:01 AMCopy HTML

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Dear ACL Supporter

When surveys designed by the people paying for them to be conducted ask questions that work to influence the outcome, “framing bias” is the term used.

The report in today’s Melbourne Herald Sun tells us that a survey conducted for and paid for by a homosexual activist group gave a not unsurprising result.

Can we encourage you to vote NO on this voteline? Click here to vote. These polls generally close at midnight for reporting in the paper the next morning.

Let’s make our voices heard in support of marriage between a man and a woman.

Thanks for taking action.

God bless

Jim Wallace AM
Managing Director

 

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Re:VOTE 'NO' TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Date Posted:26/06/2009 2:14 AMCopy HTML

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I never post on the forum proper, but something about your story has touched my heart.

In a good way I hope ShOes.

I understand completely where you are coming from, in fact just about everyone posting on these forums shares your same story of pain. I can also clearly see your logic. I admit to having a similar rebounding experience, where I replaced all the judgement and condemnation with the notion of free and permissive love. It is very easy to run from the harshness of what we have known and like a pendulum swing to the opposite extreme, but when in doubt, we have to go back to the Bible to find God's will.

I would not say I have swung completely the other way. I am not a homosexual, so that has never been an issue for me. I guess for me it is more of a question of I can tell homosexuals what the bible says until I am blue in the face, but how is that going to change them? People have to WANT to follow what the Bible says, I can't MAKE them, and I cannot justify in my own mind ramming it down anyone's throat. There are many issues in humanity I would like to address. Lying is my particular favourite. In our society we are taught it is okay to lie to ourselves and others from an early age. Goes on all the time, and it is such a part of out society now people just ignore it. How come no one addresses that?

I am no great fan of people just running amok with permissive anything. I am still a pretty boring person myself.

Love in Christianity is pre-eminent, it is written into the two greatest commandments and the new commandment, but love is not an emotion, it is the act of showing kindness and care.

Agreed. It is an act of the will more than an emotion. I am not much of a one for that airy fairy love. I have a drug and alcohol addicted sister whom I have been taking care of most of her life. Loving her through that has been a very interesting experience in what love is not. I am not even a great fan of that "falling in love" business. Seems to be some kind of a short lasting lust based psychosis.

Where this pertains to the current debate, is that true love is not wishing people to continue in their sin, estranged from the plan of God. Kindness and compassion should of course, always be shown, but we need to direct people towards the will of God. Society today has become very permissive, but that doesn't equate to love. Jesus did love the sinners, but he never condoned their sin.

Depends what you think "direct" is. I may tell people, once, what the bible says. After that its up to them. My lack of interest in continually telling people what they should be doing is not necessarily condoning it. I have learned from hard experience that continually annoying people only makes me a pain.

Furthermore Galien, despite the critical importance of "Love", it  is not the centre of Christianity, Jesus Christ is. If we are to be truly Christian then we are called as Ian rightly pointed out, to follow Jesus. This is the literal translation of "Christian", follower of Christ, and it clearly teaches that Christ's instruction MUST be of a higher importance than our own thoughts.

For me, love is the centre of Christianity. For some its faith, for others prayer. I don't believe the Bible makes it clear that there is a "centre". For me, and my heart,  the part that tells me I can do all the other things but if I have not love I am nothing is the thing that resonates in my spirit. The bible also tells me that God is love. Even Jesus himself said to love god with all your heart soul mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself, on this turns all the law and the prophets. So I figured he thought it was pretty important.

It is our calling Galien to preach the truth of the Word of God, that people may repent of their sins whether small or great and see the Righteousness of God. Jesus sacrifice has broken the power of Sin, the real message is that we are not only free from a guilty verdict, but that the power of the tempter has been broken. We can now choose to live exactly the life that God always intended for us.

Choice being the operative word. Most people do not give a flying fig about god, his word, or what they should be doing. After the horrible, horrible things I have seen christians do and say, it is a much harder job to present the gospel to others than it used to be. Most people I know would not spit on christians if they were on fire. There is a reason for that, and a lot of the time it has to do with the judgemental superior way we do it.
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Re:VOTE 'NO' TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Date Posted:26/06/2009 3:12 AMCopy HTML

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Where do Christians stand on the subject of the Government recognising de-facto relationships (between Men and Women) as having the same legal rights as a traditional Marriage?

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 Hello Tommo,

Speaking for myself and my own opinion, I think the fact that the government has taken over the administration of marriages and divorces etc, and de-facto and same sex unions, from the Church, means that apart from having a priest - or in the case of rc's - a pastor - perform the ceremony, there is not much difference.  It seems the Roman Empire had better standards as far as administration of these than our State does today. 

As a Christian, and a divorced one at that, I will not marry again.  I will take the Apostle Paul's advise and seek not to be married.  Considering the state of our society, also the lopsided divorce laws and amount of immorality out there, perpetrated by both sexes alike, why on earth would one seek to be married.

When i look at the "rights" issues of de-facto versus marrieds - is it not more about divorce than marriage?  You only need to assert the "rights" during a divorce.  No-one is stopping anyone from getting together.  There are no legal disadvantages now between de-facto or marrieds.  No-one is stopping pre-nuptual or other agreements to be brought into the situation either. 

Live and let live I say.   If people who do not beleive the bible want de-facto - that is their right.  They "should" be well aware of the "rights" but also the "responsabilities" and perhaps future " liabilities" that may be incurred should they divorce.  If you sign a contract  - any contract - including a marriage certificate - you need to know what you are up for.  And if you do not agree to what the "state" legislate about the matter, we are all free to pre-nup or sign a legal agreement before hand that may ensure a more biblical and fair outcome in case of divorce.

Mr Klms 


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Re:VOTE 'NO' TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Date Posted:28/06/2009 9:55 AMCopy HTML

Why are people so hypocritical?  From what I heard, MrK took his wife for everything he could – and more!  However – if anyone is going to comment on the legalities of divorce – and how to take your partner to the cleaners – MrK would know best.

 

I find it particularly funny how Mr K is worried about morality.  His comments  Considering the state of our society, also the lopsided divorce laws and amount of immorality out there, perpetrated by both sexes alike, why on earth would one seek to be married.” are a joke.  It is like a thief complaining that the stuff he has stolen is at risk of being taken by someone else.

 

Maybe Mr K should take more of the Apostle Pauls Advice (love, compassion, etc) – and not try to justify his future actions by quoting this Apostle.

 

Oh – and wasn’t Mr K engaged after cheating on his first wife.  Maybe the problem isn’t with others . . . .  .

 

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Re:VOTE 'NO' TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Date Posted:28/06/2009 11:31 AMCopy HTML

Reality Bites,

As far as my divorce goes - I don't recall seeing you involved with the lawyers - your comments are rude and pure conjecture. 

For my morality comment - I don't think I am wrong. 

As for my actions - I already have a judge, His position has not been advertised in the positions vacant collumns as far as I see - so stop trying to do His job.

As for me being "engaged" - more conjecture.  I am cellibant.

Fact is - you just don't know my business as well as you think.  Or perhaps your source of information may not be reliable, informed, or just plain biased.  Either way, you merely attempting to assinate my character, doesn't make anything you say true or informed. 

I have been upfront about my sin when I joined this forum.  It took me a while to sort myself out, but I did, with God's help, and the support of the Anglican Church.  I have reformed my behaviour, and am content to live a single cellibant God honouring life.  That is the reality.  That is the power of Christ, and His power of restoration and reconcilliation.

Now I say to you - pax et bonum.
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Re:VOTE 'NO' TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Date Posted:28/06/2009 1:44 PMCopy HTML

I met your Ex once at convention Mr K,  and once was enough, I can see why you'd go without, and give up on marrage altogether. Hopfully you will finaly have some peace in your life now. :)
Unless a person has walked in that persons shoes and experianced what they have seen, heard, felt and been through,  nobody has the right to judge another.  As Jesus said, "He who is without sin let him cast the first stone".



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