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$%*'`[Archie]%*'`@I am an ex RF member and I know many current and former members. The grapevine in the UK tells me that one long standing assembly has vanished, with others seriously diminished in size.Has anything specific happened or has legalism and control just done its usual job?Can anybody comment on RF UK?ThanksArchie
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Hi, I left the North London Revival Fellowship in 2003. During that year the whole London scene was being reorganised to accomodate both growth and loss in different areas of the capital. I am not sure what it is like now.

Which assembly were you in?

And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price / I have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice
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Hi, I left the North London Revival Fellowship in 2003. During that year the whole London scene was being reorganised to accomodate both growth and loss in different areas of the capital. I am not sure what it is like now.Which assembly were you in?

Hi Terror

Thankyou for your prompt reply.

I am in the land down under and hope you dont mind if I don't disclose my assembly at this time. Friends still there and traces of paranoia etc etc.

Best wishes

Archie

 

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I understand. Feel free to pm me if you want to ask me any questions. Probably things have moved on a lot since I left for better orfor worse.



Hello terror australis
did you find that you were "controlled" in North London?. If you were, is this the way a church should be?
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I am an ex RF member and I know many current and former members. The grapevine in the UK tells me that one long standing assembly has vanished, with others seriously diminished in size.Has anything specific happened or has legalism and control just done its usual job?Can anybody comment on RF UK?ThanksArchie





The Belfast Revival Fellowship is now almost non-existant apart from a handful of about 5 misguided souls who don't realise there is spiritual life outside. This was since the pastor was ignominiously booted out 2 years ago on trumped up chagrges hiding the fact that he was not a "yes man" and also believed that Jesus is God.

Blessings to recovering saints in Jesus.
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I found an article called "FELLOWSHIP" on the Liverpool UK website last year. It includes this section:

"BROKEN FELLOWSHIP
1. There are 3 ways to leave an assembly or break fellowship:
a) To die or fall asleep in Christ or transfer to another assembly.
b) To stop attending at the assembly and separate from its members.
c) To be asked to leave by the oversight.
2. Those who leave of their own choice are in 2 categories:
a) Those troubled or ensnared by personal difficulties or sins. Matt 13: 18-22. Some of these may be helped by wise counsel.
b) Those who hold a grievance or difference with the assembly or some member. In fact this is never a reason to depart (see Fellowship article").
3. Those asked to leave (Matt 18:17-18) will be in the following groups:
a) They are involved in immorality without repentance. I Cor 5:1-5, 11 These 3:6.
b) They promote unsound doctrine or practices. I Tim 6:3-5, Titus 1:9-11.
c) They create divisions and offences with brethren or the oversight often by tale-bearing or unreasonable accusations e.g. "not enough love", "who gets the money", "others should minister", etc. Rom 16:17-18, 1 Tim 5:11-18, Prov 22:10."

Yep, it's never the fault of the RF UK.
Rumour has it that the elders make bad decisions, and assemblies vanish. Luckily they are never wrong though, so if anyone is hurt, there's nothing to apologise for.
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$%*'`[Jesus is God believer]%*'`@Yes Indeed! A Dutch pastor sat in my house when we challenged him that pastors should apologise when they realise they have made a boob. He said that he did not believe a pastor needed to ever admit a mistake.

By-the-way, as an ex pastor I am happy to admit that I was taken in by the system which I now view as wrong and I would and have apologised to family and friends.
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$%*'`[Jesus is God believer]%*'`@The pastor in Belfast was dismissed from fellowship by the UK council of Pastors following conversations about some points of doctrine. As was the manner in RF if there was a difference of opinion about doctrine people got very hot under the collar and as he was not willing to just sit down and say nothing he was dismissed.
Later, an email was sent around the pastors stating 12 reasons why he was dismissed all of which were never discussed with him personally. These included things like being too critical of the oversight, attending a church service at another denomination and being unsupportive of local outreach activities. None of these charges had been previously put to the Belfast pastor and there was no discussion with him either prior to or after the dismissal and neither did anyone speek to his wife to ask her if she wished to remain in fellowship or needed any support. So is the Christian love of the leadership of the Revival Fellowship UK.

It is a measure of the control exerted by this organisation that a pastor can serve for 12 years in a tough country like Northern Ireland, completely voluntarily and with no financial remunaration at great expense to his time, family and sanity, after which these people have the power to suddenly cut him off from family, friends, support and, in their view, the blessings of God. However, those such as us who have parted from them know that the true blessings only begin once the evil tie to legalism is broken.
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The pastor in Belfast was dismissed from fellowship by the UK council of Pastors following conversations about some points of doctrine. As was the manner in RF if there was a difference of opinion about doctrine people got very hot under the collar and as he was not willing to just sit down and say nothing he was dismissed.Later, an email was sent around the pastors stating 12 reasons why he was dismissed all of which were never discussed with him personally. These included things like being too critical of the oversight, attending a church service at another denomination and being unsupportive of local outreach activities. None of these charges had been previously put to the Belfast pastor and there was no discussion with him either prior to or after the dismissal and neither did anyone speek to his wife to ask her if she wished to remain in fell

      Very well put, and typical ham handed O.T.T.and graceless action of these so called pastors., who dont care how much misery is caused by their actions , in order to uphold the false doctrines of the organisation. Every voice of dissent  is seen as a threat to their AUTHORITY and CONTROL, and must be eliminated, regardless of  truth or justice. I imagine they regarded your wife as fellow dissident, and a possible scourse of problems, best cut out like a cancer and thrown away. Hitler and Stalin used the same methods.

I know you are both still walking on and I wish you both great happiness, and a speedy recovery from the pain and trauma  the gift of ministry is strong in you both,  and you will continue in that , and what you have learned from these experiences will stand you in good stead.

God Bless all recovering Saints.

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It is a measure of the control exerted by this organisation that a pastor can serve for 12 years in a tough country like Northern Ireland, completely voluntarily and with no financial remunaration at great expense to his time, family and sanity, after which these people have the power to suddenly cut him off from family, friends, support and, in their view, the blessings of God. However, those such as us who have parted from them know that the true blessings only begin once the evil tie to legalism is broken.





The comment you made here " and in their view the blessing of God" really got to me. Yeh, ain't that the truth, nasty, real nasty.
Hey REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP UK, what have you got to say? C'mon, you know you want to tell us. Hey LIVERPOOL RF, great leaflet on your website called FELLOWSHIP, must have attracted a whole range of interested people.
I am very happy to see God (this is what I believe anyway) bringing the hidden nasties of groups like REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP UK (and elsewhere) out into the light. They do many of their naughties in the dark, and modern technology is allowing the sunshine in.
Hey LIVERPOOL RF, did you help to hurt JIGB and his family? Waddaya say?

I know what you"re thinking....did I put 5 people out or 6?... I guess in all the excitement I kinda lost count myself...so the question is, do you feel lucky?...well do you, punk? - Clint Eastwood
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what was the pastor in Belfast's name? and how long ago did this all happen?
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what was the pastor in Belfast's name? and how long ago did this all happen?

The Pastor in Belfast s name is well known in the UK, He was the founder of that fellowship, anyone who visited during his time  came back with praise for the wonderfull welcome, and the excellent fellowship. The camps and workshops he organised were looked forward to and well attended from UK and Europe. The Pastor and his wife would always welcome visitors, and put them up at their house, where they would be entertained like the prodigal son. He and his lovely wife were renowned for their wonderful items, he a ist rate guitarist and both with great singing voices, they composed many choruses adapting old Irish melodies.  What more can I say? His talks were good and uplifting, although like any RF pastor, supportive of RF doctrine, but then so were we who heard them, and accepted them. He was never overbearing, bullying or authoritarian, and was well liked by his flock.   Going to NI at the height of the troubles, living and ministering in some very hairy situations, he managed to build a small but thriving assem RF ley. He has been treated shamefully, and is still I believe traumatised by it.to a certain degree.

The reall reason for his dis-fellowship was the discovery of, and his refusal to accept , the recent ( to us in UK)RF denial of Jesus ,s deity.

I cant help wondering who you are, and why you ask .

 

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Reply to : old holbornIcant help wondering who you are, and why you ask .Well keep wondering buddy !

No, it will just join all the other wonderings, like I wonder why I was taken in for so long, I wonder why I alowed myself to be controlled, I wonder why I did',nt smell a rat, and I smell one now, an anonymous poster who's postings are so brief as to give nothing away, contributing nothing to the thread, exept demands for information. But I shant lose any sleep over it

God bless all recovering saints.

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The reall reason for his dis-fellowship was the discovery of, and his refusal to accept , the recent ( to us in UK)RF denial of Jesus ,s deity.





What do REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP UK believe then regarding this subject? Do they believe in the personality of the Holy Spirit and the concept of the Trinity as traditionally understood?

Terror Australis - you mentioned NORTH LONDON oversight trying to match-make for you somewhere on another thread. I think this is dangerous and arrogant, and a sign that this is a controlling group, who can see no good anywhere outside of their own 4 walls. Just wanted to say that, hope you are ok.

I know what you"re thinking....did I put 5 people out or 6?... I guess in all the excitement I kinda lost count myself...so the question is, do you feel lucky?...well do you, punk? - Clint Eastwood
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What do REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP UK believe then regarding this subject? Do they believe in the personality of the Holy Spirit and the concept of the Trinity as traditionally understood?Terror Australis - you mentioned NORTH LONDON oversight trying to match-make for you somewhere on another thread. I think this is dangerous and arrogant, and a sign that this is a controlling group, who can see no good anywhere outside of their own 4 walls. Just wanted to say that, hope you are ok.
There is no teaching on the deity of Jesus in the Revival Centre or Fellowship.  No one knows what the common stand is.  All you can be sure of is that if you say the Godhead is a Trinity of three persons you will be told that is a false doctrine started by the Catholics.  If you say the Godhead is One God as three manifestations you will be told that is a false doctrine started by the Catholics.   No one can have any belief about the Godhead without being chastised.  I was told I was not allowed to make the statement that Jesus is God.  I cant help it that each time I opened the Bible I saw verses that seem to say that.  I felt we should be able to search for the truth but I was told I was not allowed to.  In RF you can't say that God created the Universe in 6 days either.  You must believe He did it in millions of years.  If you say or speek about a 6 day creation you will not be a pastor for long.  Now we see they are dropping B.I.  Yet in the past if you dared to criticise it you could not be a pastor.  John Khulman once said that people had left the RF "thinking they know more than us".  Sorry to tell you Johnny boy, but they probably do!
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The trinity is an ackward subject for RF oversight - I got the impression that there was some confusion and so they tried to stay away from that area (as with many other problematic areas like BI, numerics, end times). The pastor of North London I remember did use the word god head and referred to the tri-une nature of god, so he obviously went with the trinity but there were others who did not like that terminology. Some folks went on about how jesus was a sort of reincarnation of melchizedek and the angel of the lord and a few other old testament characters.

 

The point is that if the RF cannot agree on so fundamental points as the nature of god and who this guy jesus is, then why do they act so confident about what LL said about tongues. When it comes to church discipline they are right down the line and can quote you chapter and verse but ask them to explain what longfield said about BI or what jesus meant about this or that and they will go all flakey. I don't know much about Australian politics, but the oversight remind me of UK government ministers who all have to be on message and sing off the same hymn sheet but ask them certain questions and they cannot give a frank response for fear that another minister might have a different answer.

And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price / I have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice
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Thankyou JIGB and TA.

Very, very interesting. REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP do not know about the GODHEAD/TRINITY etc etc,they can't really tell you who Jesus is, they have been wrong on BI and other "slideshow" topics, but you are not allowed to have your own views on the GODHEAD and state them without being intimidated.

All this from a group who state that all others are wrong and don't allow you to mix with anybody else. This is almost as laughable as the LIVERPOOL RF's leaflet on FELLOWSHIP which is on their website. Hey LIVERPOOL, I really like the bit where you discuss defaulters being in category 2b or 3, and how a 2a can become a 2b. Magic.
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Thankyou JIGB and TA.Very, very interesting. REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP do not know about the GODHEAD/TRINITY etc etc,they can't really tell you who Jesus is, they have been wrong on BI and other "slideshow" topics, but you are not allowed to have your own views on the GODHEAD and state them without being intimidated.All this from a group who state that all others are wrong and don't allow you to mix with anybody else. This is almost as laughable as the LIVERPOOL RF's leaflet on FELLOWSHIP which is on their website. Hey LIVERPOOL, I really like the bit where you discuss defaulters being in category 2b or 3, and how a 2a can become a 2b. Magic.

    Not long after I joined RCI in 1986, I remember distincly being taught by the then Pastor, on the subject of the Trinity. He told us that it was the same person in different forms, just as water can have different forms as vapour, snow, or ice, but it was still water. That made sense to me then, and still does, and all through the years of my time  in  RCI/RF I used that explanation ,in talks, or in witnessing., without ever once being corrected by the oversiight. I always accepted that was the official line on the subject.

It was a complete shock to hear, about 2 yrs ago, that a Pastor had been kicked out for preaching this, and that Pastor was at the same meeting where we were taught the water etc simmilitude. I immediately contacted my Pastor to find out what was going on, and was told that RF did not preach that Jesus is God, it was not in the articles of belief, that the Trinity doctrine was something that had been argued over since the middle ages when it was introduced by the Catholic Church. He later sent me a 3 page justification of RFs stand on it. He said it was ok to either believe , or disbelieve in the Trinity, some do , some dont, but we dont preach it. I guess that was the beginning of the end for me , I realised then that this was'nt the same outfit I joined, it had changed without me noticing, and without any discussion, and without my consent.

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Reply to :Now we see they are dropping B.I. Yet in the past if you dared to criticise it you could not be a pastor. John Khulman once said that people had left the RF "thinking they know more than us". Sorry to tell you Johnny boy, but they probably do!





Yes, it sure seems that way. REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP UK and elsewhere is now starting to look shonky. Isn't it a scientific law that every action has an equal and opposite reaction? For all the hurt caused in the dark, stories are now popping up everywhere, and for all to see. Man, the arrogance, the superiority, and all this in the light of such blazing inconsistencies as a group that these threads reveal.

Seriously John, just how many people has the RF hurt? And what for? Are all the people who post here just bitter and twisted, and unable to reach an acceptable spiritual standard? Do you really believe that?
The truth is that RF has become cultic, and only the GRC is getting more publicity now for hurt caused to individuals. This follows the principle that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You are now ranked 2nd.
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I am an ex RF member and I know many current and former members. The grapevine in the UK tells me that one long standing assembly has vanished, with others seriously diminished in size.Has anything specific happened or has legalism and control just done its usual job?Can anybody comment on RF UK?ThanksArchie
I heard through my sources that Pastor Steve Gillespie is in hospital having suffered a heart attack
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Reply to : Archie [Anonymous]I am an ex RF member and I know many current and former members. The grapevine in the UK tells me that one long standing assembly has vanished, with others seriously diminished in size.Has anything specific happened or has legalism and control just done its usual job?Can anybody comment on RF UK?ThanksArchieI heard through my sources that Pastor Steve Gillespie is in hospital having suffered a heart attack
   Sorry to hear that, would'nt  wish it on anyone. Be good tho if he came  out with a "new heart", his heart of stone melted by the Lord.
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Reply to : Jesus Is God Believer [Anonymous]Reply to : Archie [Anonymous]I am an ex RF member and I know many current and former members. The grapevine in the UK tells me that one long standing assembly has vanished, with others seriously diminished in size.Has anything specific happened or has legalism and control just done its usual job?Can anybody comment on RF UK?ThanksArchieI heard through my sources that Pastor Steve Gillespie is in hospital having suffered a heart attack Sorry to hear that, would'nt wish it on anyone. Be good tho if he came out with a "new heart", his heart of stone melted by the Lord.




Ecc 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
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Ecc 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
Hmmmm, not sure how that is intended, but I admitt to being a fool , and fooled for 18 yrs, by this pastor and others. But I do wish him well and a speedy recovery. May the truth set him free.
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I immediately contacted my Pastor to find out what was going on, and was told that RF did not preach that Jesus is God, it was not in the articles of belief, that the Trinity doctrine was something that had been argued over since the middle ages when it was introduced by the Catholic Church.


Sooo !! that explains everything !! The Revival Fellowship are really "The Pentecostal Jehovah's Witnesses Fellowship !!!  ( Yep Jay Dubs in Pentecostal drag ) 

ohh yeah..

macho man

ps Old Holborn, do you still have this :He later sent me a 3 page justification of RFs stand on it. I would be interested to have a read of it.. ta

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Reply to : old holbornI immediately contacted my Pastor to find out what was going on, and was told that RF did not preach that Jesus is God, it was not in the articles of belief, that the Trinity doctrine was something that had been argued over since the middle ages when it was introduced by the Catholic Church.Sooo !! that explains everything !! The Revival Fellowship are really "The Pentecostal Jehovah's Witnesses Fellowship !!! ( Yep Jay Dubs in Pentecostal drag )ohh yeah..macho manps Old Holborn, do you still have this :He later sent me a 3 page justification of RFs stand on it.I would be interested to have a read of it.. ta

      Sorry, I recently had a big clear out, got rid of everything connected with RF/RCI,  if only we could do the same with with our minds. It was on the lines of  for every scripture supporting the Trinity there was one to support the 3 seperate persons, including Jesus own claim to be the Son of God. There was a long list of these scriptures I remember. Therefore , they said, the Trinity doctrine was "unsafe " , still a doctrine being argued about, and RF policy was to not preach it.

Meanwhile they continue to sing a chorus, No282 in the chorus book  Lets talk about Jesus, among the names there , in the second verse , it says " the mighty God is he.    It's ok to sing it apparently, but if you preach it  your out.   How mixed up can you get ?  

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Reply to : Macho ManReply to : old holbornI immediately contacted my Pastor to find out what was going on, and was told that RF did not preach that Jesus is God, it was not in the articles of belief, that the Trinity doctrine was something that had been argued over since the middle ages when it was introduced by the Catholic Church.Sooo !! that explains everything !! The Revival Fellowship are really "The Pentecostal Jehovah's Witnesses Fellowship !!! ( Yep Jay Dubs in Pentecostal drag )ohh yeah..macho manps Old Holborn, do you still have this :He later sent me a 3 page justification of RFs stand on it.I would be interested to have a read of it.. ta Sorry, I recently had a b
Yes, there used to be a great hymn in the RC hymn book too "And can it Be"  one verse ran "Amazing grace, how can it be, that thou, my God, shouldst die for me"  Yet if you ever slipped up, as happened in North London once, and say in a prayer "thank you God for diying for my sins"  you would be halled over the coals.  "GOD CAN'T DIE!"
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Yet if you ever slipped up, as happened in North London once, and say in a prayer "thank you God for diying for my sins" you would be halled over the coals. "GOD CAN'T DIE!"





That is very inconsistent isn't it. The NORTH LONDON oversight must stand there fraught with tension listening for every little mistake anyone makes (in their opinion that is) and then rush to correct it and chastise before corruption and infection spreads around the assembly.

I suppose the offender was tapped on the shoulder, taken outside, and promptly liquidated.
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hey ex uk,

I believe events in the UK just before the split certainly contributed to it.

Wasn't the entire reason though.

I think it was around the time my buddy CK was there?
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would anybody know how the shrinking English groups are going? i know some of the people there. thankyou

I understand that the original Belfast  NI  Ass. is no more. The last small family Group who were holding a house meeting there, have now left after criticism from the Dublin O Site for not attending enough activities. This was the last of the original founder members. I understand they were driving to Dublin, a 3 hr journey, with 3 young children, once a month .This of course was not enough commitment, and they were "spoken to ". On arrival at the Dublin meeting, now being held in someones flat through lack of numbers, they had to try to keep 3 lively youngsters quiet after being cooped up all that time. Arriving home after the return journey  everyone traumatised.  I heard they wrote to the oversite setting out their reasons, but two weeks later still had'nt a reply. Other members of that housegroup, now with nowhere to meet seem to have been abandonned, as they have had no communication from Dublin. I believe there was also criticism of a family Blog Site, which recorded family activities, kids photos, recipes etc. It was considered to be too worldly by someone in London, who reported it to his/her pastor, who reported it to the Dublin O/Site.

Typical un charitable, graceless, heavey handed approach, to people who had done their best to keep things going after the Pastor was " vanished " for preaching Jesus is God. The sooner this disgraceful organisation is finished the better, but the writing is on the wall  praise God..

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its common knowledge among even the most devoted Aussie RF'ers that if visiting the UK, the Richmond assembly should be avoided as the pastor there is unbearable!


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its common knowledge among even the most devoted Aussie RF'ers that if visiting the UK, the Richmond assembly should be avoided as the pastor there is unbearable!





Hey, misswooty, would that be YO, or WS? Unbearable, as in boring, or arrogant, or both? (not one to gossip, but.....) lol
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Hey, misswooty, would that be YO, or WS? Unbearable, as in boring, or arrogant, or both? (not one to gossip, but.....) lol



That would be YO - reports of being overbearing, arrogant and generally unpleasant control freak. Told a girl visiting from Aus she was no longer welcome in the fellowship because she was unable to get to an outreach - never mind that she lived several hours away and was working. That's just one example but you get the drift. Oversight are aware of the problems but it's another one for the too hard basket.

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Gossip, moi?!that would be YO - overbearing, arrogant and generally unpleasant control freak. told a girl visiting from Aus she was no longer welcome in the fellowship because she was unable to get to an outreach - never mind that she lived several hours away and was working. that's just one example but you get the drift. oversight are aware of the problems but it's another one for the too hard basket.when Revvies say he's too full-on you know it's gotta be REALLY bad!




Incredible. I knew him way back when, and he was lovely, sweet and funny. I think it the nicest ones turn into the worst. Same as RW down in Exeter. He was great, many years ago. But, same thing happened, turned into a tyrant!!!!!!!!
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Hi Old Holborn - great to hear from you again.

I have heard that England is the land of the vanishing assemblies - Ireland, York, South London, Maidstone(?), Worthing, and maybe even more. Probably the others are drying up. A former RF guy named Ray Ledger left here for London in the 1980's and kickstarted one of the London groups, but apparently it is a shadow of what it was. Reading these posts, it is not surprising.

What did Jesus say about hurting one of his own? Let's leave Australia out of the equation. Reading back on the posts on this thread, how many people have the UK legalists wounded, and once wounded, how long was it before they were shot?

Can you shed any further light Old Holborn?

I know there is a good man in Liverpool, a UK foundational member. He has a heart for Jesus and was a pastor but I think he may have had to stand down. I wonder why? One person I am aware of believes that this man is better than all the other leaders combined.

What was it Jesus said about hurting one of his own?

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I know that a David Ansic left Perth RF some 12> years ago to pastor a work over in UK. I think he had a disagreement and left the RF and ran his own work.

David was a great leader (and respected) and I think he possibly has a strong following. Don't know much though.


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Hi Old Holborn - great to hear from you again.I have heard that England is the land of the vanishing assemblies - Ireland, Yorkshire, South London, Maidstone(?), Worthing, and maybe even more. Probably the others are drying up. A former RF guy named Ray Ledger left here for London in the 1980's and kickstarted one of the London groups, but apparently it is a shadow of what it was. Reading these posts, it is not surprising.What did Jesus say about hurting one of his own? Let's leave Australia out of the equation. Reading back on the posts on this thread, how many people have the UK legalists wounded, and once wounded, how long was it before they were shot?Can you shed any further light Old Holborn?I know there is a good man in Liverpool, a UK foundational member. He has a heart for Jesus and was a pastor but I think he may have had to stand down. I

     Hi , yes it's a long time since I last posted, I look in from time to time, I was surprised that  this thread had revived, but I guess it will run on until all those controlled and abused have broken free. I have been getting on with my walk, learning about and enjoying grace, love, and true christian fellowship, things that my 18 yrs in RCI and RF had left me saddly ignorant of.. Completely recovered now from the shock of discovering that I knew only what my controllers had planted in my mind all those years.

I'm afraid I've not much to add to what you already know, being still shunned by all those self righteous  pharisees we left behind. Now I can praise the Lord for answering our prayers for the deliverence of our last family members, and all connection is broken. The last of thirteen of our family, involved since the early  80s, and every one of us as you say, wounded, hurt, and abandonned, as we fell victims to the rabid legalism, judgementalism, and hypocrysy that has increased over the years.

I knew the people referred to here , YO,WS, and RW, as good brothers, caring , considerate, and humble. Just shows how power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.As someone said somewhere.

 Pr. BJ of Liverpool, was the first RCI leader in the UK, building a thriving assembly there from scratch. No one hearing him preach could be in any doubt that he was full of the Hol y Ghost and fire. A lovely, larger than life character, with a wonderful sense of humour that would have you in stiches. I once spent a joyfull week in his company as part of a group taking a tent outreach around the UK,  and on another occasion my wife and I shared a caravan with him and his wife at annual camp. Both times were a delight and I shall always remember BJ, with great fondness.   He was an un-educated man, probably thrust into pastorship, un-interested in internal politics, and the power seeking, empire building types we were to encounter later. I'm only surprised that he has lasted so long, but he had a great following in those days. He was loved by all who knew him.

Sounds like an obituary, but it could be a new birth, if he has got out from under the yoke of control. I would be interestd to hear what the cicumstances  were of his being stood down, I shall be watching the posts more often from now on., seems the times they are a changing world wide.

 

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As I understand it, YO is pastor in Richmond, SP is pastor in Stanmore and WS is supreme pastor of london (which covers both these assemblies). 

I knew YO quite well when we both worked hard to keep the smallest house group in London going.  Being as small as we were, we had to fight tooth and nail all the way.  If someone missed a house meeting or outreach, it would really be noticed.  In the spiritual gifts each person would have to give about two gifts each.  Obviously this made it tough, but it also seemed to be good spiritually as it forced you to perform at your best all the time.  To be fair YO who had a stressful job to hold, probably felt the heat the most as house leader. 

Other parts of the fellowship seemed like a different world - people could miss meetings, never give spiritual gifts, never have to account for their faith very much etc. etc. For my part I can say I felt a lot of resentment - I guess I was like the labourer in the parable who complained when he got the same wages as the other worker.  So I can understand why YO might seem overbearing and full on to visiting Aussies who are used to bigger assemblies.

As has been mentioned, I knew him as warm, funny and charming man.  He was also ready to be self-depreciatory which is more than can be said for some other members.  He was also passionate about the word and building the fellowship and the flipside of this was a nervous exasperation at the problems that came up.  It is also worth knowing that he began his 'career in the spirit' in non RF/RCI that nevertheless believed in the tongues doctrine.  Maybe this meant that he was more cautious about just supporting RF and more ready to accuse organisational complacency.

Ironically when I left the fellowship I was a bit of a b-stard and grassed the young people a bit on some of the things they were doing. YO then wrote to me saying how shocked he was by my allegations and vowed to get the bottom of it!

 

And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price / I have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice
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If someone missed a house meeting or outreach, it would really be noticed. In the spiritual gifts each person would have to give about two gifts each. Obviously this made it tough, but it also seemed to be good spiritually as it forced you to perform at your best all the time.
Other parts of the fellowship seemed like a different world - people could miss meetings, never give spiritual gifts, never have to account for their faith very much etc. etc.



Some interesting choices of words there...

Sorry TA please don't take this as a personal attack, but whether there are 4, 40 or 400 people in an assembly still doesn't give oversight the right to demand anyone else's attendance or involvement. The attitude of "you owe us" is one of the main reasons so many people leave. People have lives to lead - they get sick, they have jobs, they have families, they need rest - none of these things make them any less of a Christian. And nobody, no matter how hard they work or how much effort they put into keeping a group going, should presure everyone else to have the same intensity. Putting guilt trips on people robs them of their joy and turns fellowship into an obligation - worshipping the organisation more than God. If there was less focus on "where were you?" and more focus on "how are you?" the RF might not be seeing so many people walk out the door.


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Some interesting choices of words there...sorry TA please don't take this as a personal attack, but whether there are 4, 40 or 400 people in an assembly still doesn't give oversight the right to demand anyone else's attendance or involvement. the attitude of "you owe us" is one





So true, misswooty. We probably have here a good example of how these men go wrong. YO was a really nice guy, and like Terror said, really humble. So this belief that you have to harangue and hassle people to support every gathering is just WRONG, and it corrupts the church and the whole spirit of the thing. People like YO have overstepped a boundary, and are not trusting God to guide 'the sheep'.

They are supporting the LIE that you are in danger spiritually if you don't attend everything. If anyones reading this thread, who is on the treadmill in there, and feels no way out, we just want to let you know that your leaders are genuinely trying to do their best, and may still be lovely men, but they are leading you up the garden path.

Nothing will separate you from God. (Revival centres is not God). If you want to be a christian, you will stay one. If you don't want to be one, at least be honest, and do what you know you've got to. Sometimes you've got to get out of a controlling place like that, empty your brain, and see if you really want to be there. Dont' worry, you can always go back, if thats where you really want to be. I think theres a bit of penance you have to do first, but that shouldn't last beond a year or two!

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Has anyone heard about the A***n family being put out of fellowship in North London? Does anyone know why or what its about?

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Has anyone heard about the A***n family being put out of fellowship in North London? Does anyone know why or what its about if  true.

Well over the years they have been in and out at various times, as I recall.

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Reply to : AnonymousHas anyone heard about the A***n family being put out of fellowship in North London? Does anyone know why or what its about if true.Well over the years they have been in and out at various times, as I recall.





Reading these threads, I'm surprised there is anybody in North London at all. What goes on there?
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Thanks Old Holbourn assume your Mr F , hows things? Just wondered what was going on the whole family Snr and Jnr have gone?

 

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Thanks Old Holbourn assume your Mr F , hows things? Just wondered what was going on the whole family Snr and Jnr have gone?
Thats correct, and things are good. Completely out of touch now, this is the only place I get any news.. It would cerainly be a sign of the times if they've all left.  Part of the original Nth London Group when it was RCs. Have we met ?
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You probably do know me , although if you look like the characterture that you have on your sign in then you have definately let yourself go!!. All I know is that there where lots of meetings here with Pastors and the A***ns even had Pastor P**T from Holland over . Then they were no more. They are really strong people in the Lord and as you say have been there from the begiinning of North London so must be something big?
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You probably do know me , although if you look like the characterture that you have on your sign in then you have definately let yourself go!!. All I know is that there where lots of meetings here with Pastors and the A***ns even had Pastor P**T from Holland over . Then they were no more. They are really strong people in the Lord and as you say have been there from the begiinning of North London so must be something big?




Pastors stick together, and no matter how hard any "little people" try to get their point of view to be seen in a realistic light, they are always liquidated. Probably North London pastors just kow-tow to Dutch and Australian legalists - frightened people who will compromise themselves rather than do the decent thing.

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They are really strong people in the Lord and as you say have been there from the begiinning of North London




I am sure I know this family. They left here for the UK to help establish a London group back in the 1980's. If you read this T--- and S----- please feel free to e-mail me at piemarmalade@yahoo.com.au. Let's catch up!
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That is the couple and there kids , who are u ?

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That is the couple and there kids , who are u ?




I am as anonymous as you.
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