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If anyone has rejected Christianity or has genuine questions about the validity of the entire religion then I would be very happy to discuss that here.

I have come to a place of unbelief myself, after having been very involved in the RCI then AOG and Churches of Christ for years and years.

I have a somewhat condensed version of my story here if you wanna know where I am coming from.

I don't know if any unbelievers are left on this board, seeing as it seems to be dominated by some pretty hardcore believers these days, but I'll give it a go and see what comes of it. 
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Troy,

Count me in.

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Fuck off Ian.
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Troy,

C'mon. Surely your "truth" can stand a little informed scrutiny, can't it?

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More bullying?

You are a little, little man with a little, little life.
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Troy,

Well I thought I was being rather magnanimous, actually, providing you with an "ear" and an opportunity to find the "voice" that you so desperately crave. But if you're not up to it ...

I do miss our previous theological disputations: where I provided the rigor, and you the entertainment.

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You are a bully. Plain and simple.  You belittle others when they reject your so-called authority. You dress in the robes of a Scribe and a Pharisee and bully people around with this false authority you have taken upon yourself. 

And yet, your religion has no more reality to it than that of the Revivalists, crystals or spiritualism. Just because it is old doesn't mean it is true. You talk of objectivity but in the end, you have ONLY faith and that makes your religion no more real than Islam or Hinduism.  All your scholarly Apologetic is simply an attempt to disguise the fact that deep down, you have nothing.

You may have fooled your disciples, but you haven't fooled me. You are a nobody. You know it and I know it. You seek to puff yourself up with your knowledge of a religious text but that's all it is...knowledge of a religious text.

You are a religious bigot, and a very mean and insulting one at that.

Yes, you will come back at me with some diatribe that seeks to denigrate me, and much more importantly, elevate you to the status that you think befits the modern Scribe or Pharisee that you are, but in the end Ian, you are a nobody.

So yes Ian, fuck you. Fuck you, fuck your useless bloody Master's degree, and fuck all you have done to ruin this forum for those who needed help but only found you...a Revivalist in Evangelical clothing.
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 In reality, Troy Waller's problem is NOT Ian Thomason .... no not at all... Troy Waller's problem is Troy Waller himself..

 ... and all the sooking about Ian Thomason will not change Troy Waller's situation one little bit..

blessings

 ... and I am not a disciple or follower of Ian Thomason

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Troy,

Still blaming others for your failings?

The fact is if you wish to engage on this forum, then sooner or later you will cross paths with me. Now you can choose to promote whatever views you like here, many do, but should I disagree with what you promote, then you can rest assured that I will respond.

Isn't "democratic" and competence-based dialogue/debate grand? 
 

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From an outsiders point of view and from the abusive language the bully here doesnt appear to be Ian!
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You may have fooled your disciples, but you haven't fooled me. You are a nobody. You know it and I know it. You seek to puff yourself up with your knowledge of a religious text but that's all it is...knowledge of a religious text.
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You may have fooled your disciples, but you haven't fooled me. You are a nobody. You know it and I know it. You seek to puff yourself up with your knowledge of a religious text but that's all it is...knowledge of a religious text.

Hi there Troy,

Some years ago I heard you interviewed on Triple J radio.  Apart from the interviewer's complete lack of understanding on the subject you soldiered on to present the story of your RCI experience very well, along with the warning of RCI hidden agenda to the unwary.

The RCI similarities in yesterday's compilation on "Mind Control" and "Is your Revival Centre a Cult" were interesting reading, sad and sorry a situation as it is for the many.  With whispers of a big Rev increase in some places I hope people will look at this before they take the plunge and if they have (taken the plunge) get out before they become too enmeshed in it.

You have done well in your endeavours to fight the forces of Revivalism.  But I do, my friend, have this against you; you do yourself a grave dis-service by your bad language on this forum.  It is unacceptable and disappointing and I ask, what are your motivations?  Have you a hidden agenda?

God Bless

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Hi, Rob.

Think Luke/GWM/Tony (etc), but delete "Revivalism", insert "atheism" and you're left with "Hojusaram". The chap has more issues than "Time" magazine

Blessings,

Ian


Hi Ian,

Some wise reformer once said that sanctification is an event and a process.. (Think it might have been Augustine - and he was a Father not a reformer - but anyway)

In Troy's case there was no event in the first place. It is our prayers (among other issues) that Troy is in desperate need of.

Blessings mighty warrior of Jesus

Eric



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You may have fooled your disciples, but you haven't fooled me. You are a nobody. You know it and I know it. You seek to puff yourself up with your knowledge of a religious text but that's all it is...knowledge of a religious text.

Nonsense Troy !! I lose count of the many many times that Ian has made me to stand on my own two research feet and guess what Troy ?? such intent on Ian's part has been the best thing ever and so far it is resulting in my journeying into post - grad towards my own M.Theol ....

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Some years ago I heard you interviewed on Triple J radio.  Apart from the interviewer's complete lack of understanding on the subject you soldiered on to present the story of your RCI experience very well, along with the warning of RCI hidden agenda to the unwary.  The RCI similarities in yesterday's compilation on "Mind Control" and "Is your Revival Centre a Cult" were interesting reading, sad and sorry a situation as it is for the many.  With whispers of a big Rev increase in some places I hope people will look at this before they take the plunge and if they have (taken the plunge) get out before they become too enmeshed in it.  You have done well in your endeavours to fight the forces of Revivalism. 

Thanks for your kind words.

But I do, my friend, have this against you; you do yourself a grave dis-service by your bad language on this forum.  It is unacceptable and disappointing and I ask, what are your motivations?  Have you a hidden agenda?

But see, my swearing really only upsets the Xians on here and that's exactly why I do it on here.  You'll find *most* non-Xians really don't give a shit if I use 'fuck' from time to time or even drop the occasional 'cunt'.  And it's all about intended audience. 

But I appreciate your intent. Truly.  :)





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Blessings mighty warrior of Jesus

Eric




"Mighty warrior of Jesus"?

LMAO!!!

Do you have any idea how mental you sound?  



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Case in point.

I started a discussion for non-Christians here...then Ian and his band of merry Bible-bashing fuck-knuckles barge in and take over making it another shit fight.

You guys have ruined this forum and turned it into an Evangelical back-slapping bitch club...for Evangelical back-slapping bitches. 

Truly, fuck off back to the rooms on this forum that are for Evangelical bitches and leave those of us who live in the real world to talk about what we want to.

This is not your room...SO GET THE FUCK OUT!!!



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Troy,

If you're actively aiming at *shock value*, then you could begin by crafting a structured, well informed, potent and defensible argument. Doing so would *shock* me to the very core!

An over use of offensive language generally indicates one of three things: (1) a limited/deficient vocabulary, (2) a diminished capacity to express oneself adequately, and (3) sub-standard social skills. You "blowing in" and "blowing off" isn't likely to endear you to many who may visit this site, given that you run the very real risk of demonstrating yourself to be altogether irrelevant. Again.

Ian 
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You still don't fool me little, little man.
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Troy,

"Case in point"? Well, you weren't exactly being inundated with requests for conversations, were you?

This forum took off and moved ahead in leaps and bounds after you handed it over to one suffering far fewer personality foibles, and blessed with many more personal graces, several years ago. And as you well know, the current owner not only invited me to engage herein, but continues to actively support me doing so. Consequently my response to you is this: learn to live with me, or leave, as I'm here to stay.

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Twit.



Dick.
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Troy,

I guess it really was a case of "one", "two" and "three". When you're through demonstrating just how much you've "grown up" over the past few years, you might try offering some of your opinions for critical assessment. After all, that's why you're here, isn't it?

Goose.

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Goose.



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Case in point.

I started a discussion for non-Christians here...then Ian and his band of merry Bible-bashing fuck-knuckles barge in and take over making it another shit fight.

You guys have ruined this forum and turned it into an Evangelical back-slapping bitch club...for Evangelical back-slapping bitches. 

Truly, fuck off back to the rooms on this forum that are for Evangelical bitches and leave those of us who live in the real world to talk about what we want to.

This is not your room...SO GET THE FUCK OUT!!!



Why because we dont share your disbelief? Are all Christians fuck knuckles in your considered opinion? What will ruin the forum is different opinions not allowed. Let people make their own minds up. Dont think your helping your cause much though, only a moron would want to follow you from what I have seen.

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Hi all

The forum is not a Christian club and I really don't want to isolate people of any belief, or of people who have chosen not to believe in the validity of a non-inspired bible at all.

Should Troy invite you into the conversation then I reckon your input would be welcome. Being a founder of this forum and an enormous help over the years, he'll get plenty of room to be a part of this forum should he so desire. So, with that, I'm asking you to let him field his invitation to ex-Christians and let those with similar beliefs have a conversation without fear of having a religious debate, because that may be what they would like to do.

Troy, stop swearing in my forum. I feel your passion and the message is loud and clear.
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Unkooldude,

Are you suggesting that Troy is able to have private conversations on this, open forum? Is that what you're saying?

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 Hi

If public demand from the GRCers enabled a room where they have their own conversations without your well-informed yet ill-received interjections, at various times, then it's fair for others to also. And from my end, public demand for more moderation has been vocal for a long while. Don't take it personally. You must admit that you can have a huge presence here at the forum, and that it stays away conversation that might happen. Is this unreasonable?
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 Unkooldude,

The difference, however, is that there was public demand among the ex-GRC types for a forum all of their own (even though it was "deader than a dodo from the git go"). But there's been no such public demand for Troy Waller's commentary. Ever. All there's been was Troy turning up, mouthing off, and doing his best to offend all and sundry.

If Troy wishes to engage with other atheists, then just as currently applies to Christians, arguments should stand or fall on merit. Just as with mine, Troy's arguments should be open to scrutiny. After all, anyone can challenge Christianity here, if they so wish, as they always have been able to. So why on earth would atheists be off-limits? I would think that such people would need to marshal a far better con argument than I could a pro one in order to be convincing WRT their views, and how could such be determined except by testing and debate? Finally, whilst Troy certainly has history here, the one thing lacking in that history has been the intestinal fortitude and constancy necessary to be extended such privileges as you would apparently extend. He's blown in, blown up, and blown out from time-to-time to be sure, but he's not put in the day-in-day-out effort, IMHO.

My thoughts for your review.

Blessings,

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Years ago when there were a lot more non-Christians on the board it became rather hostile and an agreement not to interfere with the conversations in either threads.

Should we have Buddhists gather together and with to argue their beliefs in a 'safe' room where the uninvited demands on their beliefs were kept out, I would happily oblige. Should we have gay and lesbians wanting to discuss their beliefs post-Revival in a room where various individuals were not invited I'd be happy to host one for them. It doesn't stop you from commenting from your own threads, of course. Sometimes people should be allowed to voice their beliefs and not be challenged.

Thoughts Troy?
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Unkooldude,

"Groups"? What "groups"? All we have is one, lone individual. One single person who you're suggesting is deserving of some sort of "special" treatment.

Interesting.

Ian

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 Special?

Yes, he is quite special, and in a good way... not the 'Special School' way.

Call it an experiment, call me insane and nonobjective, but if Troy wants a private forum room for Ex-Christians, let's see if they come out of the woodwork.

The Ex-Christian room is off bounds if the particular thread instigator (in this case, Troy) requests it.

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Unkooldude,

Fair enough. Then in the interests of openness, inclusiveness and acceptance, it might be best that you establish another private space on this forum, one for current Revivalists (or the "Luke's" of this world) to discuss and promote their beliefs free from dissenting views.

Up to it?

Blessings,

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Revival is all about preaching false doctrine and the abuse a result of it. If Gospel truth is left out in discussions all we would get is many feeling full of self pity and no real solutions to the problem. After all, isn't the very title of this forum for Revival discussion?

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 Revival discussion?

This is an ex-Revival discussion board, and as such, Revivalists (Luke) won't get a free channel here. I do get your point. Nevertheless...

Atheists, agnostics and Flying Spaghetti followers who were once Revivalists and would like to casually share their views, without having to fluently quote Darwin and Dawkins, or dance with the Didaktikon Devil to continue their chats - should there be any - are welcome in the Ex-Christian room of the forum.

It is now written, let it be done :P
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Your forum, your choice.

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I am nobody on here really, so my opinion is just that, my opinion, but as a user of this forum I like that all points of view with the exception of the longfeild/hollins type poison are allowed on here. Moth and Rust I think is an agnostic or perhaps athiest and there have been others with perhaps similar view points who I think are valuable here for the sake of us and those preparing to leave revival. I do however find Troy's abusive comments offensive and unneccessary. They are also probably not very helpful in removing people from revival. He deserves to express his opinion but not to abuse those who share an opinion that he oposes.
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Your Royal Uncoolness

Please feel free to correct my ignorance regarding the running of the forum...

1. From what I see, Ian has a strong presence (or even moderation control) over four (4) boards, two (2) of which bear his name or the name of his website.  I want to make it clear that I have no desire to challenge this arrangement or to interfere with what's going on in those rooms.  I also want to make it clear that I am not seeking to have him removed from the forums.

2. I would suggest that the "Revival doctrines we used to believe", "Ex-Christian Chatroom", "Revival Churches History", "Introductions and Stories" and "Freedom Forum" rooms all become  become Ian free zones.  Including the GRC room that would make only 6 rooms (out of 19) he is excluded from.  I believe that keeping him from these rooms is the only way we will ever see them have a chance of being used for their intended purpose.  Ian's mere presence turns (some) people off.  Even me, and I was one of the people who helped start the whole god-damn thing!!!

3. Speaking of a Master's Degree...I have one too...in Journalism...from the University of Qld. I spent most of my degree researching the free flow of information, censorship and media control in China, so I know a thing or two about media ethics, censorship and freedom of speech.  What I am suggesting here is responsible moderation.  He would be given the majority of the space on here, but he should no longer being given 'freedom' to act irresponsibly and drive people away and keep the board from (some of) it's intended purposes.  What Ian does well, he does very well.  But people need to be free to change the channel. And right now, on this forum, that's just not possible. The guy chimes in on every channel. So I again propose we give him his rooms but also make it clear there are some 'channels' where people can know he won't turn up.  Ian would still have his own rooms, open to all, free to be read, so a charge of censorship here would be empty.

4. By Ian free zones, I would also mean that no one would be allowed to post on his behalf or act as his advocate.

TROY



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 In reality, Troy Waller's problem is NOT Ian Thomason .... no not at all... Troy Waller's problem is Troy Waller himself..

 ... and all the sooking about Ian Thomason will not change Troy Waller's situation one little bit..

blessings

 ... and I am not a disciple or follower of Ian Thomason

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Yeah you are.
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Why because we dont share your disbelief?

Yes, at least in this thread.

Are all Christians fuck knuckles in your considered opinion?

Nope.

Look, I find all this swearing a little unnecessary. After all, WWJD?



What will ruin the forum is different opinions not allowed.

Spot on baby. So let's have a few places where people with opinions other than Evangelicalism can express them.

Let people make their own minds up. Dont think your helping your cause much though, only a moron would want to follow you from what I have seen.

Follow?  Who said anything about following?  See, that's where you and I differ. It's not about leading and following at all in my world.  *SIGH*  You people can't even see it can you?

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Revival is all about preaching false doctrine and the abuse a result of it. If Gospel truth is left out in discussions all we would get is many feeling full of self pity and no real solutions to the problem. After all, isn't the very title of this forum for Revival discussion?




*SIGH* 

No one is suggesting we stop people from expressing Christian opinion on the forum, just not in some rooms.

And look, despite the propaganda in the Bible and in your church, for some, Jesus isn't a very good answer at all.

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I was talking to an ex-Revivalist friend now, who seems to be an even weirder person in some pentecostal church. I told her about the father of one of my students who took his family hostage recently and then shot himself in the head after a few hours of taking pot-shots at the police gathering outside his house.

The children are back at school after a very traumatic time. She seemed very upset about the children not having a Christian fellowship to support them and care for them. "Who will look after them? WHO?"
Well... there's a slap in the face for the well trained carers that we have plenty of. There's a slap in the face for the family, relatives and friends who did look after them.

They didn't need to be hustled off to the local COC and prayed over. Church isn't always the solution.
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Reply to brolga

Revival is all about preaching false doctrine and the abuse a result of it. If Gospel truth is left out in discussions all we would get is many feeling full of self pity and no real solutions to the problem. After all, isn't the very title of this forum for Revival discussion?




*SIGH* 

No one is suggesting we stop people from expressing Christian opinion on the forum, just not in some rooms.

And look, despite the propaganda in the Bible and in your church, for some, Jesus isn't a very good answer at all.


OK. What is a good answer for better things to come?

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 "OK. What is a good answer for better things to come?"

I dunno dude... take responsibility for your life? Build positive habits? Be humane? Be empathetic and give a damn about other people and your community because what goes around comes around, and because you care... not just because a book tells you to.

Golden rule and all that. There are plenty of good things you can take from all religions.

But this isn't a place for you to preach about how much better life is with Jesus, now is it :)

I certainly don't miss the Christian lifestyle, or the faux-Christian lifestyle I had. Life is better, for me anyways... complicated, but better.
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OK, point taken.

I guess if any wish to remain ignorant to the things of God and are happy, so be it.

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OK, point taken.

I guess if any wish to remain ignorant to the things of God and are happy, so be it.



Quite the opposite. Some of us are not ignorant at all but quite familiar with 'the things of god'.  Did you read my 'testimony' of how I lost my faith?  It's here if you want to have a look.  You'll see I was once very much 'on fire'. There is no doubt I once believed...with all my heart.  And now I don't.  You're welcome to comment, but please be kind.

Brolga, I am happy to discuss my points of view with you, as long as we all play nice.  I promise not to swear if you promise not to insult me. 

Shall we try to start again?

Hi brolga, my name is Troy. I am a dirty, dirty heathen backslider.  Very nice to meet you.

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Pete,

Were you being serious, or was that response some sort of ironic, tongue-in-cheek piece? Since when does one ever judge the overall validity of a position by appealing to the claims of those least capable of articulating a representative point of view?

Yours was almost a text-book example of the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad verecundiam.

Disappointing.

Ian

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OK thanks Troy, I will read your side of the story, but will take a little time.

I've have never intentionally insulted any one and as for your swearing, I don't have to answer for any one elses shortcomings, I have enough of my own.

Will get back soon. (PM)

Ralph.
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Pete,Were you being serious, or was that response some sort of ironic, tongue-in-cheek piece? Since when does one ever judge the overall validity of a position by appealing to the claims of those least capable of articulating a representative point of view?Yours was almost a text-book example of the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad verecundiam.Disappointing.Ian

Sorry to disappoint? I don't have to live up to anything with the quality of my posts. I thought you agreed not to swoop into this thread and critique our ramblings here. Disappointing? I really am starting to think that maybe people should be allowed to spill their mind without having a rubric to follow.

It was a brief observation of a reaction that was kind of annoying. If you think I believe ALL Christians are knuckleheads because of this gal's reaction to my suicide story then you read too much into it. Brolga just reminded me that there are puh-lenty of Christians who think there is no hope or help outside of their church beliefs.

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Pete,

Hmmm. I hope you don't mind me pointing it out to you, but it hasn't taken you very long to "shift" in your attitudes since your friend's reappearance. My last word on the matter.

Blessings,

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 M&R

(Brolga just reminded me that there are puh-lenty of Christians who think there is no hope or help outside of their church beliefs)

No, not my Church beliefs, it has more to do with what the bible says about our eternal state.
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Brolga:

Replace Church beliefs with Bible beliefs. Ok?

Ian:

Sigh, I dunno. I'm a funny guy... and not necessarily in the ha-ha way.


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