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"When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything—you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
—Robert A. Heinlein, If This Goes On, 1940
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Canuck,

When I read the what I have posted about Christian I at first thought that he must be wrong. 'When I read the what I have posted about Christian I ...' What the?! Was that ramble an example of you typing in 'tongues'? The the more you look around and see what Christians are doing in the world you have to agree. Unless your stupid! Ummm ... the elided form of "you are" is "you're". The homophone that you used instead is the second person possessive pronoun. So I guess this demonstrates that I'm literate but stupid, whilst you're illiterate but intelligent. Go figure :)

When I read the following I was going to say that Christians and religious people in general are not open to some thing different and novel like Evolution and science in it's more complex states. Next points: (1) "something" is a single word; (2) despite the impression given by certain professional scientists, the theory of "evolution" isn't a deity (i.e. it shouldn't be spelled with a capital 'E'); and (3) there's no apostrophe in "its", unless it's the elided form of "it is" being used. But have to change that and say that what religious people believe in in very creative and novel to thinking people. Okay, I'll bite: by what authority do you presume to be speaking for "thinking people"? Did you happen to bump into one and request his/her opinion? Or are you simply being presumptuous? A guy in the sky who does as you tell him?? First, heaven isn't the sky. Second, God isn't a genie who grants wishes. No sorry he does as he wants?? No, God does as he determines. No you ask him to do things but he does as he will anyway. Rewind to my previous comment about God not being a genie. Even if you want not to drown or freeze to death. Physical death is a part of life, best that you learn to 'live' with it. But when he does stop that from happening it's a miracle but when he does not save your loved one IT'S GOD'S WILL. "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I shall return. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord" (Job 1:21). God's will is his own; he keeps his own counsel. Logically, he wouldn't be much of a god otherwise.

Now that is creative. Not really. But your misinformed ramble was rather entertaining, and it reminded me why so many intelligent people tilt towards Christianity.

In closing, my experience of Nietzsche is that he's not an easy read. I'm impressed, by dint of a single quote, that you've apparently mastered him!

Goose.

Ian

P.S. Please, keep pointing us to your preferred conspiracy sites (I like to end the day with a hearty chuckle) ;)
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I don't have to be nice I'm not going to heaven so XXX you ian
Here is a song that I think we will all like.
You want to world to end for jesus to come back bull shit
I just figure that the world will come to an end at some point in time because to many religions and their sheeple just want to kill some other fucking god fearing morons.
The end of the world will come in a a nuclear war at some time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo
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I heard a joke the other day
The devil tells Ian the dickhead that "you Christians are so fuuccckkking annoying and think your superiour. When in fact that it's just that you out number every other group down here." HAHAAHA fuuuccckk you ass hole
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Guest,

You are so screwed up. I'm thinking you are one of Nat's boys. I hope not.
I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Canuck,

Ha, ha. It seems that I attract all of the loonies here! It also seems that you spend a great deal of your time thinking about me; understand, however, that I don't bother myself thinking about you ;)

Try to keep up. People who lack the sophistication and vocabulary necessary for intelligently representing and defending their personal ideologies, invariably find the 'gutter' a convenient place for discourse. You probably hoped that your ribald turn-of-phrase would shock :) It hasn't. To the contrary, I find it quite humorous. You persist in leading with the chin each and every time that you respond, demonstrating conclusively that you are as I've maintained: simply another misinformed, misguided and boorish oaf ;)

More power to you.

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Galien,

Really?? You must be getting old Ian, or do you keep a file of this stuff? Almost word for word the shame shit you have thrown at me. Helloooooo. I did say "all the loonies" after all (ergo there's nothing at all unique or special about you, m'dear). Must be boring as hell in that one size fits all world of yours. Should laminate it and use it as a placemat, if you don't aready. Interesting, but it's people like you who make the mistake of viewing Christianity in one dimensional terms. Anyway. Whilst I acknowledge you believe yourself above learning from people who actually know what they're talking about, if you were to sit up, shut up, and try listening for a change, who knows? You might shock everyone by broadening your rather limited mind ;)

Goose.

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Galien,

Really?? You must be getting old Ian, or do you keep a file of this stuff? Almost word for word the shame shit you have thrown at me. Helloooooo. I did say "all the loonies" after all (ergo there's nothing at all unique or special about you, m'dear). Must be boring as hell in that one size fits all world of yours. Should laminate it and use it as a placemat, if you don't aready. Interesting, but it's people like you who make the mistake of viewing Christianity in one dimensional terms. Anyway. Whilst I acknowledge you believe yourself above learning from people who actually know what they're talking about, if you were to sit up, shut up, and try listening for a change, who knows? You might shock everyone by broadening your rather limited mind ;)

Goose.

Ian

I couldn't care less if god himself descended from heaven and ordered me to go back to church. i would refuse point blank if it meant spending one more second with cold hearted fuckwits like you and your ilk. Only thing you know all about is the inside of your own ego.

Oh and the photo in the paper was interesting. Not quite as young and thin as you would have us all believe :)
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Galien,

I couldn't care less if god himself descended from heaven and ordered me to go back to church. And that's been my main point with you all these years. You've vocally claimed on this forum to being a Christian, and yet you've point-blank refused to submit to your Creator. You've point-blank refused to obey Jesus (Christianity is always on his terms, not yours given that the word 'Christian' means follower-of-Christ in Greek). Sadly you've consistently made it clear that there's no room in your 'belief' system to follow any god other than yourself. i would refuse point blank if it meant spending one more second with cold hearted f***wits like you and your ilk. Remember that statement when you find yourself alone throughout eternity. Only thing you know all about is the inside of your own ego. Oh, I know much more than that. Among a good many other things I know you ;)

Oh and the photo in the paper was interesting. Not quite as young and thin as you would have us all believe :) Interesting. I've been interviewed on local television four times over the past three weeks, and in our newspaper twice. Yet on only one occasion, a rather chilly day at that, was I wearing the Army 'bear jacket'. Perhaps that's why you've assumed that I'm 'full-figured' :)

Accusing me of being deceptive now? I've mentioned a number of times that I'm 43 years old (I was born in the first half of 1968); that I'm 192cm (or 6'3 tall); and that I weigh 95kg, so I'd be very interested in you demonstrating where you believe I've claimed otherwise :)

Tracey, why don't you climb off the couch and come along to the Kapooka Open Day this Saturday? I've been appointed the Master of Ceremonies, and a paltry $5.00 entry fee will enable you to catch up with me 'in-the-flesh', so to speak. We could then compare our respective body shapes (remember, I know what you look like), perhaps even take a photo or two for here ;)

Goose.

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Ralph,

You can always come to the Tyndale Conference next June :)

Blessings,

Ian
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The good old Catholic Church cult lies again

Over 300,000 babies stolen by Catholic Church in collusion with Spanish Government

I know this happened many years ago but who doesn't think it's still going on?

And people are still fighting over things that happened thousands of years ago so why not question the Catholic Cult for things that happened not that long ago? But go ahead and change cults. The GRC religion or the Catholic cult it's all the same. You are just fuuuuckkking sheep for the leaders.

SUCKERS!!!



http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/300000-babies-stolen-by-catholic-church-in-collusion-with-spanish-government/


EVERYBODY SING!

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Canuck,

Geez but you're an idiot :)

So it's 'Aftermath News' now, huh? There's what's clearly a reputable source for factual information and unbiased reporting :) Still, I'm surprised in your haste to try and vilify the Roman Catholic Church again, that you completely missed the main point of the entire article: the removal of the children was organised and conducted by Franco and the Spanish government for political ends!

Spain didn't have a functioning bureaucratic social services system until the early 1990s, which is why it was largely left to the Roman Catholic Church to 'do'. The article clearly indicated that a significant degree of the blame for what apparently took place in Spain rests on the shoulders of the medical fraternity. Ironic as it is, but you didn't defame the doctors and nurses who were actively complicit in the practice: two professions that are esteemed with the same degree of trust as are clergy (perhaps even greater trust is accorded them), in the eyes of 'sheeple' everywhere.

Why didn't you focus on the 'medical cult' as well, Canuck? Would it be because doing so wouldn't suit your purpose and agenda? ;)

Twit.

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Crawling? nah mate, you don't know what your missing out on.smiley9


GRC doctrine and teaching is the canker of spiritual growth. Getting to know scriptural truth, truly leads one out of a
source of corruption or debasement.


Fellowship with true & wise Christians keeps one informed or knowledgeable in God’s good, pleasing and perfect will, so it is able for us to obtain peace, health and happiness, which obviously is not a part of your life.

I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Galien,

I couldn't care less if god himself descended from heaven and ordered me to go back to church. And that's been my main point with you all these years. You've vocally claimed on this forum to being a Christian, and yet you've point-blank refused to submit to your Creator. You've point-blank refused to obey Jesus (Christianity is always on his terms, not yours given that the word 'Christian' means follower-of-Christ in Greek). Sadly you've consistently made it clear that there's no room in your 'belief' system to follow any god other than yourself.

The mistake you lot always make is that you stand in the place of any creator as his representative. You don't. Anyone has a problem with believing they are a little god mate it is you, not me. I no longer claim to be anything other than a person who used to love a construct in my mind. People like you have shown me that although I once believed in a christ that died for my sin, it is all most likely rubbish. 

i would refuse point blank if it meant spending one more second with cold hearted f***wits like you and your ilk. Remember that statement when you find yourself alone throughout eternity.

Considering the hell christians have already put me through, I don't see that as a bad thing. I don't believe in eternity. Unlike you, I have no problem dealing with the thought of my own non existence. I don't need some kind of afterlife to cling to. 

Only thing you know all about is the inside of your own ego. Oh, I know much more than that. Among a good many other things I know you ;)

You know nothing about me Ian. You  don't get to decide who I am, I do. You christians are so good at that,  running about judging everyone and assuming you know what goes on inside everyone. You know nothing about the inner lives of others. Nothing a clue by four wouldn't fix. You decided at some point that eveyrone was shit and you judge everyone by the same sad criteria.

Oh and the photo in the paper was interesting. Not quite as young and thin as you would have us all believe :) Interesting. I've been interviewed on local television four times over the past three weeks, and in our newspaper twice. Yet on only one occasion, a rather chilly day at that, was I wearing the Army 'bear jacket'. Perhaps that's why you've assumed that I'm 'full-figured' :)

Accusing me of being deceptive now? I've mentioned a number of times that I'm 43 years old (I was born in the first half of 1968); that I'm 192cm (or 6'3 tall); and that I weigh 95kg, so I'd be very interested in you demonstrating where you believe I've claimed otherwise :)

Tracey, why don't you climb off the couch and come along to the Kapooka Open Day this Saturday? I've been appointed the Master of Ceremonies, and a paltry $5.00 entry fee will enable you to catch up with me 'in-the-flesh', so to speak. We could then compare our respective body shapes (remember, I know what you look like), perhaps even take a photo or two 

Well of course you are the master of cereonies, nothing more you love than for everyone to look at Ian and everyone to listen to Ian becase he is SO important and SO knowledgable and just an all around amazing chap.

Ian I could care less how "figured" you are. It is irrelevant. The only reason I haven't had a few of my friends come around and give you the tune up they would like to is that I like the idea of violence rather than the violence itself.  You are a bloody disgrace to the god you say you serve and the country you say you serve. Nothing this town needs more than to see your sorry ass disappearing down the Hume Highway. 


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If brown nosing to ian makes you happy good luck to you,obviously he enjoys it.Sadly for you anr ian you prefer the preaises of men to whats really important,
God hates pride,boasting,the self righteous,NO EXCEPTIONS.
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Good morning, Galien.

The mistake you lot always make is that you stand in the place of any creator as his representative. You don't. Anyone has a problem with believing they are a little god mate it is you, not me. I no longer claim to be anything other than a person who used to love a construct in my mind. People like you have shown me that although I once believed in a christ that died for my sin, it is all most likely rubbish. What's 'rubbish' is the construct that you've created because your pride consistently prevents you from accepting correction. That's arrogance of the highest order, Tracey, and eclipses any hubris that you could ever accuse me of.

Considering the hell christians have already put me through, I don't see that as a bad thing. So your choices, and the ramifications that they've brought you, remain the fault of others? In all the years that we've to-ed and fro-ed, you've not once shown the smallest modicum of personal responsibility for anything. It's always been 'this person's fault', or 'that person's fault', but not once have you ever accepted responsibility and said, 'it's my fault'. Not once. I don't believe in eternity. And you are free to ponder the irony of your disbelief, when the time comes. Unlike you, I have no problem dealing with the thought of my own non existence. I don't need some kind of afterlife to cling to. Sorry, but it's Christ alone whom I cling to and not the afterlife that he affords me (to use your turn of phrase for a moment, I have no problem dealing with the thought of my complete dependence upon, and complete need for, him).

You know nothing about me Ian. You  don't get to decide who I am, I do. You christians are so good at that, running about judging everyone and assuming you know what goes on inside everyone. You know nothing about the inner lives of others. Nothing a clue by four wouldn't fix. You decided at some point that eveyrone was shit and you judge everyone by the same sad criteria. Understand that you're not some vague, mysterious and unknown entity, Tracey. You're very well known, both on this forum, and in this town. And as such I don't need to 'decide who you are'. You're the one, the only one, who made the decisions and choices that have led to 'us Christians' being able to existentially recognise you for who you are. And, as for the supposed penchant that we believers have for being quick to judge, I shouldn't need to remind you of your own personal mastery in this area. Your misguided, ill-informed and spitefully-motivated judgments against others litter virtually every thread of this forum. Any time that anyone has ever deigned to disagree with you here, you've immediately flown into a virtual rage and questioned everything from their intelligence to their penis size! :) By contrast the only measure that I've ever judged you by has been the Word of God, which has been completely reasonable a thing to do given your many years of claiming Christian identity. So, the time will come, I hope, when you'll cease playing the role that you play so well: that of h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.

Tracey, why don't you climb off the couch and come along to the Kapooka Open Day this Saturday? I've been appointed the Master of Ceremonies, and a paltry $5.00 entry fee will enable you to catch up with me 'in-the-flesh', so to speak. We could then compare our respective body shapes (remember, I know what you look like), perhaps even take a photo or two ...

Well of course you are the master of cereonies, nothing more you love than for everyone to look at Ian and everyone to listen to Ian becase he is SO important and SO knowledgable and just an all around amazing chap. I was chosen to be the Master of Ceremonies by the Commandant; what would you like me to say? :P

The only reason I haven't had a few of my friends come around and give you the tune up they would like to is that I like the idea of violence rather than the violence itself. Well, here's the thing. I guess I'm obliged to caution you to be very careful about who, among your eager friends, you would so readily sacrifice into my hands. You clearly have no idea of my experience and capabilities when it comes to the efficient use of extreme violence. But, given that you've claimed in the past to knowing certain of my peers, please feel free to ask around if you're interested.

I've got to say though, I'm just loving the peurile threats that you let fly every time you feel slighted :) First it was an army of friends lining up to flood this site with porn. Now it's an army of friends lining up to give me the old 'one-two'. What can I expect next? An army of friendly witches lining up to curse me? ;) You are a bloody disgrace to the god you say you serve and the country you say you serve. Nothing this town needs more than to see your sorry ass disappearing down the Hume Highway. Your opinion is naught but your own. I know of no other person in Wagga, outside of those in the RF, who seems to share it :)

In conclusion, you really are a silly goose, aren't you?

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Good morning, Guest.

Sadly for you anr ian you prefer the preaises of men to whats really important, God hates pride,boasting,the self righteous,NO EXCEPTIONS. Sure. So as to aid me in avoiding such sin, would you please point out for me concrete examples of the pride, boasting and self-righteousness that you now accuse me of? :)

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If brown nosing to ian makes you happy good luck to you,obviously he enjoys it. for you anr ian you prefer the preaises of men to whats really important,
Wrong again ‘Buster’. You’d do much better posting something more constructive than using Bible texts as unrighteous judgments toward others.

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Actually I'm quite boring and not nearly as infamous as you would have people believe. Shame you never learned to listen as well as you waffle on.

Whomever that other person who commented was right. You re a momumental fuckwit. Perhaps you could ask your commandant to put up a little statue out there at Kapooka to remember you by.

You still basicaly know, well, XXX all really about me or anything else.
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Good morning, Galien.

The mistake you lot always make is that you stand in the place of any creator as his representative. You don't. Anyone has a problem with believing they are a little god mate it is you, not me. I no longer claim to be anything other than a person who used to love a construct in my mind. People like you have shown me that although I once believed in a christ that died for my sin, it is all most likely rubbish. What's 'rubbish' is the construct that you've created because your pride consistently prevents you from accepting correction. That's arrogance of the highest order, Tracey, and eclipses any hubris that you could ever accuse me of.

Do you ever wonder why it is Ian that you so delight in correcting others? No I bet you don't. You just know how much you enjoy it. And it is never arrogant to believe you are just the one to do the correcting is it?


Personal responsibility for what exactly, being terrorised by a pentecostal church when I was teenager into believing there was a demon under every coffee mug and believing it to the point where I could not stay inside a house alone until my mid twenties? Being told by stupid revival not to go see a counsellor to deal with my childhood trauma then the pastor continuing to traumatise me even further? Being told further by christians my depression was my fault and AGAIN being told to pray about it. What I did wrong was trust these idiots in the first place and be stupid enough to believe they were honest. 

I expected christians to live what they say they believe. They don't. They are full of piss and wind when the rubber hits the road, none more so than you Ian.


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Galien,

Actually I'm quite boring and not nearly as infamous as you would have people believe. Shame you never learned to listen as well as you waffle on. Well, I neither stated nor implied that you were (in)famous, simply well known in certain quarters, and 'yes', you are rather boring ;) Whomever that other person who commented was right. You re a momumental f****wit. So some say. But you're hardly a credible or impartial judge of the matter, eh? Perhaps you could ask your commandant to put up a little statue out there at Kapooka to remember you by. No need for a statue, a plaque is planned ;)

You still basicaly know, well, XXX all really about me or anything else. Tracey, I know as much about you as I need to or care to. That's sufficient :)

Goose.

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Hello again, Galien.

Do you ever wonder why it is Ian that you so delight in correcting others? No I bet you don't. It's probably a gift, I suppose :) You just know how much you enjoy it. And it is never arrogant to believe you are just the one to do the correcting is it? No, it isn't. Not when: (a) the correction is warranted, (b) when it's Scriptural, and (c) when the person receiving the correction is desperately in need of the same. I willingly accept the correction of others when (a), (b) or (c) applies to me, but not you? 'No', of course not. Never you ;)
 
Personal responsibility for what exactly, being terrorised by a pentecostal church when I was teenager into believing there was a demon under every coffee mug and believing it to the point where I could not stay inside a house alone until my mid twenties? And you think you're the only person who was ever in such a situation? Here, at a forum populated by former members of the various Revivalist sects?! That's über arrogant, m'dear. But how about your being personally responsible for those 'life' choices that were within your purview? Or were you simply the victim in every act of your life's play? What of those decisions wherein you betrayed the trust and confidence placed in you by others, for example? Not you fault? Ever? Were you simply the puppet of the fates and circumstance? Being told by stupid revival not to go see a counsellor to deal with my childhood trauma then the pastor continuing to traumatise me even further? I see. Were you or were you not an adult at the time? If so, then why didn't you act like one? Being told further by christians my depression was my fault and AGAIN being told to pray about it. 'Christians'? Or Revivalists/Pentes? Consider, you chose the company that you kept back then. 'Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas', as the popular saying has it. What I did wrong was trust these idiots in the first place and be stupid enough to believe they were honest. 'Yes'. Clearly you were stupid, then. Clearly you were an idiot equal to those idiots with whom you moved, then. However, how is it that you're so much smarter, now? Why shouldn't I view you as still being an idiot now, but one who is simply at the opposite arc of the pendulum's swing?

I expected christians to live what they say they believe. They don't. Well that has to be one of the most self-serving and sweeping class/condition fallacies that I've read in quite a while! Newsflash! Revivalism isn't Christian, and Pentecostalism is largely the loopy end of the existential (i.e. 'Me! Me!') spectrum of pseudo-spirituality. But what of you, eh? As I recall a certain school Principal expected you (a self-professed 'Christian') to live what you claimed that you believed, and what you promised to abide by in writing, no less. We know how that worked out though, don't we? Fact: you didn't live what you claimed to believe, so fact: this latest accusation is simply another, in a long list of examples, of your penchant for blame-shifting hypocrisy. It's so hypocritical it's rank. They are full of piss and wind when the rubber hits the road, none more so than you Ian. Me? Or you? After all I do live according to what I claim to believe. Consequently, the 'rubber hitting the road' has never been an issue for me. Who has ever laid the charge of hypocrisy at my feet, Tracey? But living up to the claim, where the 'rubber hits the road' as you put it, has been a significant issue for you, hasn't it? You who had to recant of being a Christian when it became too ridiculous a claim to continue to be making. Who is it between you and me that is really full of p**s and wind, then? ;)

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You clearly have little idea what goes on in the real world Ian. I never said I was the only person that had ever been hurt, a charge you ALWAYS lay at the feet of anyone who dares say they have been hurt at all. Your compassion fatigue is tiresome but standard fare for you and your type. Typical blaming the victim bullshit, because acknowledging the church had any problems at all (which you NEVER do) may necessitate actually addressing and fixing them.

Lots of people who come here accuse you of hypocrisy but oh no none of us are right, its always Ian the perfect, Ian the perpetually correct. Everyone else is a goose or a twit or just plain, what was it, mad, sad or bad. Except of course those who agree with you.

According to you the entire orthodox church is perfect and never guilty of any wrongdoing. What an absolute crock of shit.

And all this based on scriptures that may or may not be true based on a god whose existence no one can prove.

Oh and I always love the nice touch of bringing up whatever it is you can find to toss at me. You honestly think I give a shit?

But no, Ian is a perfect little christian, humble and kind and full of love for everyone. Yeah right.


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And while I think of it Ian, why does a person who purports to know so much about so much and has a wife who is a counsellor ask such dumb questions? If you had the slightest idea about what shame, guilt  and trauma do to a person, you wouldn't. You constantly dismiss the suffering of those who come to this site as something they should get over in five minutes and you laugh at people who don't.

I doubt that any of the time you spent in revival had anything to do with being traumatised, or controlled by guilt and shame. You spent three years there as a young person and Im guessing you never had to deal with the way they play spouses and friends and offspring and their friends against each other in your personal family life. You constantly dismiss the fact that these people have damaged some people beyond repair. Some people recruited into revival were already damaged beyond repair but revival just added insult to the injury and your resonse to that is to laugh at people.

You seem to think that throwing a few scriptures at people will fix everything. If there seems to be a simple answer to a complex problem it is usually wrong. You think you know what everyone's problem is so you don't listen to what they say, because you actually don't care about them. If you can pat them on the head and point them in the direction of the nearest orthodox church you then pat yuourself on the back and tell yourself what a great guy you are. That is really just the orthodox christian equaivalent of pray about which really means don't bother me with your real problems, I don't have a clue.

The problem with orthodox christians is nearly always the same. You have a 1950's view of the world where everyone is a middle class sane human being with no baggage and no difficulty fitting cultural and social norms. Anything outside that sends you into a flat spin of blame and pointing the finger and self congratulations about how you would never do such a thing. I remmeber it well :) Oh we (the christians) have the right way to view everything, our worldview is correct in every way and everyone else is wrong. Tell me Ian, who would want to have anything to do with such arrogant judgemental and close minded people exept their own kind?

And while you are busy being such a clever boy you may want to ask the person you mentioned yesterday why he didn't follow policy and ask me to leave my employment when he had full knowledge of the facts but instead asked me to stay. Try and realise that even christians lie and misrepresent things to take the heat off themselves. You should know :)



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I believe the ‘Christian Worldview’ does have the answer and solution to the world’s and each individual’s problems. Trouble is some that claim to be Christians and non Christians alike, don’t want to accept that which is right nor walk accordingly.

 

It is how one reacts to a situation that determines the outcome. If the outcome is problematic, the blame starts with ‘you’.

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I believe the ‘Christian Worldview’ does have the answer and solution to the world’s and each individual’s problems. Trouble is some that claim to be Christians and non Christians alike, don’t want to accept that which is right nor walk accordingly.

 

It is how one reacts to a situation that determines the outcome. If the outcome is problematic, the blame starts with ‘you’.

Gee that sounds SO revival I almost gagged. Sorry to hear you are always in the wrong mate.

The problem with that whole approach is that if the people you are dealing with do not also have it, you will always end up taking the blame for everything. Have you forgotten revival so soon?

Anyone who thinks they have the solutions for each and every problem is talking through their hat, whatever bandwagon they have hitched their cart to. If the world'd problems were that easily fixed then they would be fixed.

One of the biggest problems with the christian worldview is that those who claim to own it try and push everyone else around. People won't stand for that crap anymore.

You don't have to be a christian or embrace any religion at all to know what is right and do it. I know many christians who refuse to belong to a church anymore because they are tired of being bullied by those who claim to have the right to do so.

It is not a matter of not wanting to do what is right or walk accorcingly, it is a matter of knowng these people are no different from us, they can't even run their own lives with honesty or humility, so why on earth would we listen to people who can't even get their own shit together? If I want to be a humble and kind christian I am hardly going to listen to some twit who has let his knowledge and spiritual power go to his head. I would much rather listen to a humble and kind person who can be an example for me, not some douche who tries to push me around, and is every example to me of what a christian shouldn't be.

Years ago people were not educated and just assumed the spiritual authority the church takes and uses to justify their poor behaviour as a given. Years of having our hearts and our children raped by the assumption these are all good men are OVER.

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There you go Tracy, the very point I was trying to make; Trouble is some that claim to be Christians and non Christians alike, don’t want to accept that which is right nor walk accordingly. You are still doing just that and reacting that way blaming all others.
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Good afternoon, Tracey.

You clearly have little idea what goes on in the real world Ian. That's rather unlikely given that I've seen much more of the real-and raw-world than you have. I never said I was the only person that had ever been hurt, a charge you ALWAYS lay at the feet of anyone who dares say they have been hurt at all. Go back and re-read what I actually wrote. Your compassion fatigue is tiresome but standard fare for you and your type. As I've mentioned to you several times over the years, I gave up worrying myself about you years ago, as compassion needs to be warranted. It seldom is with your 'type' ;) Typical blaming the victim bullshit, because acknowledging the church had any problems at all (which you NEVER do) may necessitate actually addressing and fixing them. Your claim, never mine :)

Lots of people who come here accuse you of hypocrisy but oh no none of us are right, its always Ian the perfect, Ian the perpetually correct. First, who has accused me of hypocrisy here, Tracey? I'd like for you to point out the respective threads and posts so that I might go and have a look, as to be perfectly frank I can't recall any such incident ever having taken place. Second, being 'right' or 'correct' in what one asserts requires the marshaling of compelling evidence. Apparently you believe all that's needed  to earn such adjectives for one's views is the presenting of the odd opinion or two :)  Everyone else is a goose or a twit or just plain, what was it, mad, sad or bad. Except of course those who agree with you. Not at all. Lots of people disagree with me on a range of things, and yet I've never called them 'goose', 'twit' or similar. People are 'geese', 'twits' and even occasionally 'idiots', only when they epically fail to present anything approaching a sound, cogent and logically defensible argument or point of view. Like you, for instance :)

According to you the entire orthodox church is perfect and never guilty of any wrongdoing. What an absolute crock of shit. Really? According to me? When have I ever stated that the Christian Church is without fault, and has never been guilty of any wrongdoing? Please, point me to a single occurrence on this forum where I've done so: 'Physical challenge'.

And all this based on scriptures that may or may not be true based on a god whose existence no one can prove. As I've maintained from day-dot, Scripture is the one o-b-j-e-c-t-i-v-e measure that can be used to assess the various claims of those who would call themselves 'Christian'. If you wish to discuss the truth-claim of Christianity, then there is a range of avenues worth exploring, including: history, philosophy and logic, for example. Oh and I always love the nice touch of bringing up whatever it is you can find to toss at me. You honestly think I give a shit? Actually, I think you do, as you inevitably rant in response with a minimum of two follow-on posts! I pointed you to simply the one concrete example demonstrating rank hypocrisy on your part. And because I'm such a nice guy, I spared you the indignity of going into any detail about the matter. But no, Ian is a perfect little christian, humble and kind and full of love for everyone. Yeah right. Okay. Prove otherwise from Scripture :)

And while I think of it Ian, why does a person who purports to know so much about so much and has a wife who is a counsellor ask such dumb questions? If you had the slightest idea about what shame, guilt  and trauma do to a person, you wouldn't. I'm aware of the effects that a range of socio-psychological traumas can cause an individual, just as I'm also aware of the strategies that mental health professionals recommend to mitigate their effects. But let's be blunt for a moment, your complete rejection of any responsibility for your behaviour - whether past or present - ain't numbered among them. You constantly dismiss the suffering of those who come to this site as something they should get over in five minutes and you laugh at people who don't. Do I now? Well, please go ahead and prove the claim. Establish a single example on this forum of me ever stating that traumatised people should simply 'get-over' past hurts. Just the one will suffice. Back to reality, there are people who use this site whom I've gently assisted to a place of 'wellness' over many years, but who have you so helped, Tracey? Ever?

I doubt that any of the time you spent in revival had anything to do with being traumatised, or controlled by guilt and shame. You spent three years there as a young person and Im guessing you never had to deal with the way they play spouses and friends and offspring and their friends against each other in your personal family life. I married into a long-term, entrenched Revivalist family. I also had a former close friend in the assembly accuse me to the pastors of being unfaithful to my wife only weeks after we had married. Naturally this led to the inevitable witch-hunt, then to me being interrogated in my own home by a delegation of men who accused me of all sorts of infelicities in front of my bride. These same men later approached my circle of friends in two separate assemblies, and told them what I'd been accused of as if accusation = fact. These 'Oversight' went publicly fishing for facts when all that existed were fictions, but were they in any way discrete in their inquiries? Do you think they cared about the ramifications to my reputation and standing among my peers for even one moment? And when my wife and I eventually decided to leave, do you reckon noone laid scurrilous charges about me behind my back? Clearly you think my time in the RCI was all sunshine and rainbows ;) You constantly dismiss the fact that these people have damaged some people beyond repair. Some people recruited into revival were already damaged beyond repair but revival just added insult to the injury and your resonse to that is to laugh at people. I do nothing of the sort. Furthermore, noone is ever 'beyond repair', Tracey. But some people are beyond accepting help. Some people are beyond taking advice. There is even a minority whose pride is so great that they are more content with slapping extended hands away, than they are grasping them. I believe the term used to describe such people is 'gifted' ;)

You seem to think that throwing a few scriptures at people will fix everything. Actually, I believe that finding God and a good church is the best remedy for what ails. Good churches are welcoming. They have trained counselors and people who will support the hurting without judgment, people who are prepared to be available to them for the long haul. If there seems to be a simple answer to a complex problem it is usually wrong. You think you know what everyone's problem is so you don't listen to what they say, because you actually don't care about them. How many people have ever approached you seeking your advice, help and support because they've found you on this forum, Tracey? When was the last time that you drove 400km in the middle of the night to be with someone at their wits end because they'd been threatened with hell by pastor so-and-so? When was the last time that you were anybody's advocate? If you can pat them on the head and point them in the direction of the nearest orthodox church you then pat yuourself on the back and tell yourself what a great guy you are. If I'm able to help anyone find a place of shelter, comfort and support, then I will feel happy in myself :) That is really just the orthodox christian equaivalent of pray about which really means don't bother me with your real problems, I don't have a clue. The last part is certainly true: you clearly don't have a clue. I've not been part of any church that has followed the "don't bother me with your problems; just pray about it" approach since leaving Pentecostal circles in 1998. Why is it that you think I've studied theology? Why is it that you think my wife studied to be a Social Worker and Counselor? Clearly we have no interest in being useful to others in need :P

The problem with orthodox christians is nearly always the same. You have a 1950's view of the world where everyone is a middle class sane human being with no baggage and no difficulty fitting cultural and social norms. I fellowship with a group where I reckon about 60% of the congregation could be accurately described as being 'lower class'. A significant minority is of 'marginal' ethnicity and social standing; and there are many who experience a range of health, psycho-social and economic problems. Clearly you know next-to-nothing about me or how I live out my beliefs in the wider community :) Anything outside that sends you into a flat spin of blame and pointing the finger and self congratulations about how you would never do such a thing. I remmeber it well :) Apparently ... not. Oh we (the christians) have the right way to view everything, our worldview is correct in every way and everyone else is wrong. Tell me Ian, who would want to have anything to do with such arrogant judgemental and close minded people exept their own kind? Well, you're arrogant. You're judgmental. You're closed-minded. So I can't help thinking that you'd fit in with the parody of Christianity that you've just presented like a 'pea' in a 'pod'! Why did you become a Revivalist again? ;)

And while you are busy being such a clever boy you may want to ask the person you mentioned yesterday why he didn't follow policy and ask me to leave my employment when he had full knowledge of the facts but instead asked me to stay. I think you've misunderstood. Completely. The point that I sought to make wasn't that the Principal of the school lacked compassion or understanding. Not at all. My point was that you were playing the hypocrite yet again, by globally accusing Christians of 'not living what they say they believe(d)', when there was you doing precisely the same thing. Well, you sure showed them, huh? :P Try and realise that even christians lie and misrepresent things to take the heat off themselves. Of course some do, Christians are human beings after all :) You should know :) Another unfounded and 'throw-away' accusation, m'dear?

Goose.

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There you go Tracy, the very point I was trying to make; Trouble is some that claim to be Christians and non Christians alike, don’t want to accept that which is right nor walk accordingly. You are still doing just that and reacting that way blaming all others.


Actually Ralph you have no idea what I do or don't do. You don't even bother to ask me because you don't give a shit. As long as you can point the finger at me you are happy. LIke your stupid mate you never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Ian, this site is littered with posts where you call people names, hurt them, insult them and belittle them. Your experiences in revival only taught you how to be an asshole just like them. This whole site is full of compelling evidence of you treating people like shit. Oh except for the really nasty ones which I notice your little mate deletes quick smart.

The day you asked me if I knew how easy it would be for you to psychologically, spiritually and emotionally destroy me told me every single thing I ever needed to know about what lurks beneath where you are concerned.

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You clearly have no idea of my experience and capabilities when it comes to the efficient use of extreme violence. But
Ian you are such a good wholesome christian.
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Good morning from Budapest Ian,

Tracey as usual is so wrong about you, what you say, and what you do. But when have facts every swayed her self absorbed diatribe? Such was I in many ways, as you know, and I am glad to say, by the grace of God, I digested much of what you said and had a change of heart and mind.

But I digress from a far more important purpose. My wife Sharon lays gravely ill from a stroke in hospital, The tests have revealed that she has the main artery to the left side of her brain three quarters blocked. Dangerous and could be fatal if they operate. Dangerous and could be fatal if they don't. I have beseeched our God and Father (in Jesus name) to restore her to health. Many friends are praying. Others we barely know are praying.

Now I beseech you Ian. Why? Because it is written "the effectual fervent prayers of a righteous man availeth much". I see you as very righteous in Christ and so seek your particular help. Please.

Hospitals in Budapest alas are very rundown. I sit vigil with her as long as I can.

To any others reading this who have compassion. I beg you to pray for her.

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No your wrong Tracy, I do care and have empathy for you and others.

My days of pointing the finger and judging others for their shortcomings ended at the time I left Revival and became a 'practicing' Christian.

I'm blessed with good health (for the age of 70) and happiness and have a peace within I never had whilst a Revivalist. I write what I write because by believing and following the bible, this has worked for me. Of course we all have our moments we dwell in a corruptible body, but our faith remains in God despite of.

 

It might appear at times my posts fall short of the mark in expressing my true thoughts, but it is always in the interest of others, this life and/or the life to come and not of myself.

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Hello, Guest.

You clearly have no idea of my experience and capabilities when it comes to the efficient use of extreme violence. But Ian you are such a good wholesome christian. 'Yes', I am indeed :) But I'm also (1) an Army officer who has served on a number of military operations overseas (i.e. wars). And, (2) a longstanding unarmed combat instructor to boot (I hope you'll pardon the rather unsophisticated pun). As I recall, Jesus himself once fashioned a whip and beat a bunch of guys ;)

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Galien,

Ian, this site is littered with posts where you call people names, hurt them, insult them and belittle them. The harshest term that I have ever called anyone on this forum is 'idiot', and that was but once. The most common terms I use are 'goose', and 'twit'. But what of little ol' enlightened you, eh? How does my 'name-calling' compare to yours, Madam Lash? Who between us has the harshest and sharpest tongue :P Your experiences in revival only taught you how to be an asshole just like them. Nope. Unlike you, my experiences in Revival prepared me to help others. Something I've done for years :) This whole site is full of compelling evidence of you treating people like shit. This site is certainly replete with evidence of you doing so; my own approach, however, has been to be dismissive only of the 'dismissable' ;) Oh except for the really nasty ones which I notice your little mate deletes quick smart. Again, 'nope'. My 'little mate' as you've labeled the Mod, deletes those posts which fail to conform to the regulations laid down for the site. This practice explains why so many of your posts have been relegated to the rubbish heap, and why so very, very few of mine have :)

The day you asked me if I knew how easy it would be for you to psychologically, spiritually and emotionally destroy me told me every single thing I ever needed to know about what lurks beneath where you are concerned. I believe I said, 'gut you', actually. And as I clearly pointed out to you at the time, whilst I'm certainly capable of doing so, I won't do so :) Incidentally, that particular conversation from the CBox still appears in its entirety on the forum proper, including your admission that I hadn't done what I candidly admitted I was capable of doing to you.

So is this simply another example of your hypocrisy and selective memory again, m'dear?

Goose.

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