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Hello, one and all.

I've just received a PM from the Moderator, who has advised me that s/he was approached by Troy Waller who is seeking to recover ownership and moderation control over the forum. And whilst Troy states that he's anti-censorship, my experience of him in the past causes me to doubt the claim. For those who aren't aware, Troy originally established and ran this forum after the demise of the original, and it seems that he now wants control back. Naturally, when Troy was in charge I was persona non grata, and the site itself had a somewhat different perspective, flavour and aim. "Unkoolman" is a busy person, and naturally carriage of this site takes time that could otherwise be channeled into other life areas. To this end, Troy has been given control over several sub-forae, whilst I was offered control over some others.

The sticking-point for me is that robust, open, merit-based and informed discussion and debate appears to no longer be a priority. The "playing field", as it were, is no longer level. Consequently, I honestly can't see much reason to be committing my time in support of it any longer. It's been a fun few years to be sure, and I have enjoyed the interactions and engagements that have taken place, but clearly the time has come for me to gradually diminish.

I wish you all the best into the future, and God's blessings to whom such are seen as a positive aspiration.

Ian

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i think you may be trying to live on "past glories" troy. i'm more interested in modern history than i am ancient history and you really haven't been "core" for years.

as I think you said before: it's not all about you.
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i think you may be trying to live on "past glories" troy. i'm more interested in modern history than i am ancient history and you really haven't been "core" for years.

as I think you said before: it's not all about you.

Mate, is mine the only name you read in my last post?
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Dear Ghosted,

I'm sorry you are missing Ian and the core ten posters that were here over the last few months. However, I think this is an issue which you need to take up with those people.

You obviously enjoyed the orthodox christianity that was being discussed here, and it certainly had a place.

I suppose it depended on who was benefiting from these discussions. If it was for the enjoyment and learning of those ten, well, they have of their own free will decided to move on and stop the 'conversations', and you have lost out.

However, this forum is for the people who are leaving or have left Revival groups. (Its not all about you, Ghosted) Did those converstions help those people? Were they intended to?  If the answer is yes, well, why have the ten core posters stopped conversing? They could have carried on in the shoutbox, and in their usual forums on the board.

Whos thinking about who here?

Regards, big girl
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no but it's the only one saying look at me, look at me.
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Dear Ghosted,

I'm sorry you are missing Ian and the core ten posters that were here over the last few months. However, I think this is an issue which you need to take up with those people.

You obviously enjoyed the orthodox christianity that was being discussed here, and it certainly had a place.

I suppose it depended on who was benefiting from these discussions. If it was for the enjoyment and learning of those ten, well, they have of their own free will decided to move on and stop the 'conversations', and you have lost out.

However, this forum is for the people who are leaving or have left Revival groups. (Its not all about you, Ghosted) Did those converstions help those people? Were they intended to?  If the answer is yes, well, why have the ten core posters stopped conversing? They could have carried on in the shoutbox, and in their usual forums on the board.

Whos thinking about who here?

Regards, big girl

what i'm missing are decent discussions. and btw the core posters i had in mind weren't here for just a few months as you wrote, they were here for a few years. big difference. did their conversations help people to leave revival? i think they did. what do you think? why have the core group stopped conversing? i think the reason is pretty obvious given that it's been pointed out a few times already, don't you?

in asking for ian to come back here i'm thinking about the people in revival who come here to read stuff that helps them. who are you thinking about?

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"i think the reason is pretty obvious given that it's been pointed out a few times already, don't you?"

I don't want to rehash old ground here. However, there is absolutely no valid, grown up, commonsense reason that these people aren't staying here. They have been told repeatedly  they are welcome to stay. Repeatedly.

 Ghosted,  I am glad that you are thinking about the people who are coming out of revival. We are on the same page there.

I think it is very sad that different types of conversations can't exist on here.. And , like you,  I think that our 'focus group' is missing out, by not having a wide range of points of views on here, and to 'read stuff that helps them'  The forum is set up so that people can choose the topics of conversations and rooms they want to enter.

However, this forum has never existed to only provide for the ex revivalists who still want to be christians. It was meant to provide for ALL those that leave. It could have had a "Wiccan room' ! And an Orthodox Christianity room!
And a 'I don't know, what do you think?'  room'

And then a room where all these different people can interact with each other and debate there chosen field!

But mainly it should be a place where ex or current revvers can recount their experiences, and realize we've all had the same thing happen to us, and the problem is not them.

So Ghosted, what  do you think that the current Moderater should do to remedy the situation?

Big girl
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Re:The current status of the forum

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Thought I would have a look to see if anything was posted re: me leaving. Interesting stuff! I think I should explain what turned me off. The fowl language used by Troy toward Ian. F*&k you etc, and then comparing him to a certain part of the female anatomy. Troy was then promoted to moderator! Any other forum I am on which are mostly hotrod and classic bike related, that sort of behaviour will have you removed. Thats what the moderators there do. My children who were hurt by GRC used to read this site, after Troy's hissy fit I dont think it is now suitable to children. Maybe that part of a girl Troy you think Ian is, more describes yourself. And yes feel happy, the door is slamming on my arse.
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OK, I think we're all going around and around in circles now (myself included).  I think it's time to lock this thread Mr Moderator.

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Any last words on the subject before the lock down?

Or has it all been said?

Everyone announced their ship jumping already? Check

Ian had definitely left the buidling? Check

The recent religious core group have fled? Check

No more swearing? Check

Ghosted misses discussion, but won't actually contribute to it? Check

I'm a flip flopper? Check


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Any last words on the subject before the lock down?

Or has it all been said?

Everyone announced their ship jumping already? Check

Ian had definitely left the buidling? Check

The recent religious core group have fled? Check

No more swearing? Check

Ghosted misses discussion, but won't actually contribute to it? Check

I'm a flip flopper? Check



do you actually try to be offensive? nobodys "fled" from here they've just left probably because they can't see the point staying any longer.

my reason for visiting this site has always been to read and learn stuff from people who i reckon are worth listening to not to add my own two cents worth. so i guess i might be one of the silent majority rather than one of the really vocal minority. i really used to enjoy reading your posts but now you come across as someone whos totally "double minded" as the bible puts it. it's boggling how quickly you jumped from one ship to another one headed in a completely different direction!

please try not to forget that most people who leave revival want to remain christians.
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     do you actually try to be offensive?

No, I don't try, it just kinda comes naturally to me I suppose. I have a tendency (in real life) to ramble on until I get into trouble, and the actual thought process kicks in way after I've spilled the beans all over the shop. I've edited and deleted so many of my posts here, after the fact, but sometimes the damage is already done.

     nobodys "fled" from here they've just left probably because they can't see the point staying any longer.

I get it, I get it, Ian the oracle isn't here anymore and not able to correct everyone's theological mistakes and shortcomings and therefore the people that enjoyed reading his brilliant rebuttals are doing... other stuff online. I miss reading his work too, honestly. I really enjoyed it and he made me realise that religion wasn't only for kooks and krazy Kristians alone. I can talk to my staunchly Catholic mother now and respect her beliefs because of Ian's work. If I knew that excluding Ian from Troy's ex-Christian and Freedom rooms would have resulted in him from ever visiting the forum again I probably would have fought against it. But I don't know... I flip-flop... I'm truly agnostic because I honestly don't know.

For all I know Ian's beliefs may be as damaging to a person as any other religious institution. I know my life is much better since leaving Christianity, and I personally recommend getting as far the heck away from it as possible. Having said that, there are people that definitely should stick to the pews and do their Sunday morning thing... some people believe that religion is the reason they stay 'moral' and don't go around sticking knives into people. Other people, like my ma' need the social aspects and a 'meaning' to their lives to stay happy, and I'm happy she has it.

     my reason for visiting this site has always been to read and learn stuff from people who i reckon are worth listening to not to add my own two cents worth.

Well, it'd be great if Ian had his own blog or something for such a one as you to get their 'hit', but that core group seems to have left soon after Ian did, and I understand his and their reasons. Maybe Troy should have just let Ian have his 'wicked' way with him in his Atheist/Theist war room until an agreement to disagree was made... but I bet that's ALL we would have got... for months... Galien had to be shown the door because that's what happens when two seriously stubborn personalities meet. Troy just wanted a chance for non-Christians to chat without the Ian-Interjections. I doubt we'll get any conversations going in there. Perhaps Ian should have just waited for that to happen and then said the "I told you so's" after the embarrassing silence. However, I've got a few things I want to air in the non-Christian room, and I wouldn't be doing so if Ian was still here... I still don't think he 'needed' to pack up all his toys and go, but he certainly did.

     so i guess i might be one of the silent majority rather than one of the really vocal minority. i really used to enjoy reading your posts but now you come across as someone whos totally "double minded" as the bible puts it. it's boggling how quickly you jumped from one ship to another one headed in a completely different direction!

It's fairly normal for me to be double-minded. I'm not convinced by everything Ian said, but I'm following some leads that he gave me.

     please try not to forget that most people who leave revival want to remain christians.

Okay... don't forget that some people don't want to remain Christians...
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"Okay...don't forget that some people don't want to remain Christians"

Moth and all,

Okay, some don't.  Sorry to disappoint you Moth but most do want to remain Christians and I've asked quite a few ex Revs lately. I also think the lack of response to the atheistic material presented here over the past while should prove it has been given thumbs down.    Many ex Revs have come from atheistic backgrounds and have even expressed gratitude to Revival for their first steps into Christianity, though they have moved on into other churches.  One said having put a hand to the plough he wont be looking back. 

I doubt that current Revivalists would be enticed to consider atheism an immediate option if they were considering leaving a Revival group.  These are people who shudder at the "other gospel" preached by those "other churches" who don't have the truth like the elect saints of Revival do.  In fact those of other churches are considered to be false prophets and ravening wolves.  Atheism is hardly going to be a drawcard. For myself I would never consider it.  You Moth, BG and TLY are welcome to it, but if your prime objective is to encourage people out of Revivalist groups I doubt that pushing atheism  will work.

It is hard work trying to convince Revivalists to look into scriptures which might repudiate their Revivalist instilled
beliefs.  Ian successfully challenged people to look into their scriptures and to think outside the confines of Revivalist doctrine.  He had the knowledge to keep taking those with questions a step further each time and it did work.

God Bless to all.

Epi

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     Okay, some don't.  Sorry to disappoint you Moth but most do want to remain Christians and I've asked quite a few ex Revs lately. I also think the lack of response to the atheistic material presented here over the past while should prove it has been given thumbs down.

I'm not disappointed Epi. I already said that some DO want to be non-Christians, and it's more than a little obvious that most don't (yes we are talking in circles). I don't care what they want to believe or not believe after leaving Revival. I don't expect many responses to atheistic material. There are some that might and some that do.

Which is why we have HUNDREDS of Christian threads on the forum, and only 32 threads in the one ex-Christian room amongst the many many others that aren't ex-christian. I've checked the hit rate for alll the rooms and only a few have clicked on the non-Christian room, and dozens have clicked others in the last few days. Therefore the Christians are steering clear of the material, and good on 'em. They have a choice, and are making it. The ex-Christians few as there are have somewhere they can have their say.

Easy... no problem really. When users click onto the forum they will be faced with 20 odd forum threads, only one of which will be set aside for non-believers, or questioners of the Christian faith.


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Good post Epis, and true.

However, I still don't see why the christian threads aren't thriving.  Can't all you christians carry on the convos without Ian?

Are you so reliant on someone having to explain the Bible to you, that you are  worried you will say something incorrect?  Can't you all exchange testimonies, encourage each other, talk about the churches you are going to?

I can understand you missing the discussions, however, if you feel that there is nothing of value to discuss between yourselves, your complaints should be directed to Ian, not Troy or Moth. 

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"if your prime objective is to encourage people out of Revivalist groups I doubt that pushing atheism  will work."

Well, that's certainly not my prime objective, and I don't think it's Troy's either. In fact, the aim of the forum has always been a support and resource for people who have left Revival, who are considering leaving Revival, and for the families of those stuck in Revival.

Nothing anyone could say, including Ian, could persuade the likes of Lukie to get out of their institution. There should be information here for people who have left Revival and are finally considering a world of options as they come out blinking into the sun. And sorry to disappoint you, but there have been many who want to turn their backs on church altogether, and I don't blame them. Many of those people have not wanted Ian to barrage them with a repeated "Aww... go to church, you'll die and go to hell if you don't". There have been a lot of people that simply want to be assured that lightning won't hit them on the way of of Revival.
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I am 100% convinced that most people who leave Revival Churches are far more open to other flavours of Christianity than Agnosticism and/or Atheism.  My own story mirrors that exactly, as does M&R's and most others in fact. So you are correct in your assumption that mainstream Christians are better at 'reaching' Revivalists.  So get back to it!

There is also no doubt that a non-Christian only board would fail dismally.  But it is not the non-Christians' responsibility to bolster up the Christian discussions on here. Stop blaming us for your own inability to write and carry a discussion.  So, keep up the Christian discussion. Go for it!  You have my COMPLETE support!!!  I mean that with no sarcasm.

But remember, the fool says in his heart, "There are no Atheists."  They do exist and some visit this board at times.  There are a few non-Christians who are here now and there will be more later too.  So just let us post (for our and their benefit) in our own little room and you guys get back to business of saving souls and doing a better job of reaching the Revivalists.

You don't have to agree or accept us, just tolerate us.  Stop bemoaning our presence and posts and just let us be.  Can you try that? Let's see if you can.  Ready, set go... 

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Hi Moth and BG,

Thanks for your replies.  Apologies, Moth, it was an oversight on my part not including post Revival support and support for families of those stuck in Revival.  Many are in the thick of and, in need of both.

As you said in your previous post, Moth, the Christian room clickers outnumber those in the non-Christian room.  Although greater in number clicking is all they seem to do these days.  Not many are "speaking up" and participating in discussion. 

If you'll excuse my bluntness, I think since the events of mid March the forum has undergone some "shock treatment" with the departure of the high profile Christian Ian to the raising up of the high profile atheist/agnostic Troy.  A shock to any system especially for those from  Revivalist churches, as most are, where guarding your salvation with fear and trembling is uppermost and leaving Revival does not as a rule constitute any change in that attitude.  Perhaps the Christian majority who once frequented this website are now asking their questions and receiving the scriptural answers they are wanting elsewhere.

God Bless.

Epi

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Good Afternoon TLY, 

Look, call it ODD or whatever you like, but I think your last paragraph in bold blue should just about turn anyone off participating.  Ready, set, go.........indeed!

God Bless

Ep
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Round and round we go...

Lock the damned thread! Lock it now!  Please! For the love of god, please!  ;)

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Public apology!

Recently I made flippant remarks that incorrectly summarised Ian's beliefs.

Many of those people have not wanted Ian to barrage them with a repeated "Aww... go to church, you'll die and go to hell if you don't".

This was not a direct quote and Ian has never said such a thing. He has never said that if you don't go to church you will go to hell. He has definitely said that Christians 'should' go to church and that it's a bible directive to do so. He 'has' said that hell is a place that, according to the bible, should be avoided, but hasn't made any absolutes as to what hell actually is. He's a stand-up guy who has never said "Aww... go to church, you'll die and go to hell if you don't". It was unfair of me to generalise the misconceptions I've had of his writing and write such things.

I'm sorry to have misrepresented Ian and apologise for being a schmuck and talking about him in a public arena where he can't defend himself due to his withdrawal from the forum.
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I'm sorry to have misrepresented Ian and apologise for being a schmuck and talking about him in a public arena where he can't defend himself due to his withdrawal from the forum.

While I agree, it is unkind to speak ill of the dead, can we all just take a moment to be reminded that Ian CAN DEFEND HIMSELF on here.

He is not banned or unable to post, but simply chooses not to.  That's his prerogative of course, but please, he is not UNABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF on here and he's obviously still reading anyway.

I am also quite inclined to believe he has an unusually large buttocks and sits dow to pee.

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OK, before you crucify me and call for Barabas, I just want to make sure we all know I was joking about Ian's buttocks and manner of urinating.
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Te Luo Yi,

Now the crudities; joke or no joke.

I think you should delete these threads.  Surely you don't want this to stay on record.

God Bless

Ep
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Should read:-  I think you should delete these posts.   They are crude and in poor taste. 

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Ok

Locking the thread and sealing the tomb.
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