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Hello, one and all.

I've just received a PM from the Moderator, who has advised me that s/he was approached by Troy Waller who is seeking to recover ownership and moderation control over the forum. And whilst Troy states that he's anti-censorship, my experience of him in the past causes me to doubt the claim. For those who aren't aware, Troy originally established and ran this forum after the demise of the original, and it seems that he now wants control back. Naturally, when Troy was in charge I was persona non grata, and the site itself had a somewhat different perspective, flavour and aim. "Unkoolman" is a busy person, and naturally carriage of this site takes time that could otherwise be channeled into other life areas. To this end, Troy has been given control over several sub-forae, whilst I was offered control over some others.

The sticking-point for me is that robust, open, merit-based and informed discussion and debate appears to no longer be a priority. The "playing field", as it were, is no longer level. Consequently, I honestly can't see much reason to be committing my time in support of it any longer. It's been a fun few years to be sure, and I have enjoyed the interactions and engagements that have taken place, but clearly the time has come for me to gradually diminish.

I wish you all the best into the future, and God's blessings to whom such are seen as a positive aspiration.

Ian

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I am not actually convinced you are, in fact, a Revivalist.  Perhaps you are a former member who has taken on a devil's advocate role in an attempt to teach us all some kind of lesson about 'division'.  Of course, I may be wrong.  But, hmmmm....

Nevertheless, it is the cultists who live in a kind of false reality where the illusion of harmony exists.  It is in fact an enforced conformity though. People cannot express varied opinions without being scolded or even ejected from the group.  The fact that we disagree, argue and do so publicly is not a testimony to foolishness, but to our freedom as post-Revivalists.  In fact, Ian's departure was based on the fact that he felt he was no longer as free to disagree as he thought he should be.  

So I don't worry even in the slightest if you try to bring a Revivalists measure against us on here.  I stopped living by those rules ages ago.  No slaves, no masters!!!


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I just read EVERY word... delicious! high drama! You Rev Church haters are a stitch.

The last time I was on this site, about 12 months ago, a pouting Didaktikon was threatening to leave...
lol i haven't missed much.


Welcome back malepart what great wisdom do you bring us “haters”


I always made one prayer to God, a very short one. Here it is: "O Lord, make our enemies quite ridiculous!" God granted it. Voltaire.

“Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much“. Oscar Wilde



Now I think that you're doing Revival churches a service. By your very existence it shows members and leaders that they can always improve both individually and as a community of believers. And hopefully the site might act as a balance to those Revivalists who exhibit extreme behaviour.

Thank you that is assuming every revivalist and leaders visits this forum to get their balance, however this forum is made up mostly of ex revivalists maybe reading your bible might enlighten your path .We “haters” could lead you astray.

But you're forgetting an important point... the Australian Constitution enshrines the basic human right to 'Freedom of Religion'. Whether you like our religion, leaders or members, we have a right to hold our beliefs and meet without harrassment.

religious freedom is safeguarded by section 116 of the Australian Constitution, which prohibits the federal government from making any law establishing any religion, imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of any religion.


So you think you have got the government on your side do you?

Individuals are free to express a diversity of views, as long as they do not incite religious hatred.

 

The Australian Government is also committed to encouraging mutual respect, understanding and tolerance among different religions and cultures in Australia and across the region.

Dept Foreign Affairs and Trade website

Well governments come and go and so does their legislation and laws like you ones that try and stop us chastising our children

I submit to you that members of this forum OFTEN cross this line. Revival churches have a right to exist as does the quirky group that meets around the corner from you, be it Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mormon, SDA, Scientology, Ba'hai, Hindu, Muslim, or Jewish.

Yes I guess these quirky groups are out there even yours, but not sure about the scientology one though.

Any thinking person will know that the many claims you make about Revival churches frequently occur among other religions, christian churches, political parties and sporting clubs.

I doubt that very much that is true where did you get this information?

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Not

Voltaire apparently)

“To be absolutely certain about something, one must know everything or nothing about it“.

Apparently not Voltaire again.






 

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Reply to Male Member... Why not?
I just read EVERY word... delicious!  high drama! You Rev Church haters are a stitch.

It has been pretty exciting, gotta admit, in the context of a fairly boring forum, that is. And I don't think 'haters' really describes this motley crew, but you can take it how you see it.

The last time I was on this site, about 12 months ago, a pouting Didaktikon was threatening to leave... lol i haven't missed much.

He's the same yesterday, today and forever.

I always made one prayer to God, a very short one. Here it is: "O Lord, make our enemies quite ridiculous!" God granted it.  Voltaire. 

Well, yeah... this is a pretty ironic statement when I think about the free vocalisation that you guys exercise. I think you prayed for ridiculousness as part of the Revival initiation process, as did we all. You prefer seeming foolish in the eyes of man though, eh?

Now I think that you're doing Revival churches a service. By your very existence it shows members and leaders that they can always improve both individually and as a community of believers.  And hopefully the site might act as a balance to those Revivalists who exhibit extreme behaviour.

They do take that much notice of us? Honoured that we can teach them something useful other than the many other errors of their way.

But you're forgetting an important point... the Australian Constitution enshrines the basic human right to 'Freedom of Religion'.  Whether you like our religion, leaders or members, we have a right to hold our beliefs and meet without harrassment.  Dept Foreign Affairs and Trade website

I submit to you that members of this forum OFTEN cross this line.  Revival churches have a right to exist as does the quirky group that meets around the corner from you, be it Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mormon, SDA, Scientology, Ba'hai, Hindu, Muslim, or Jewish.

And they all have their ex (or post) member forums to help people re-enter the real world outside of their boxes. Yes, you have a right to be a Revivalist. Ballyhoo for you. :P I think if we were to approach you on the streets with pamphlets or knock on your doors with links to this site, that may be harassment. Maybe we're just habituated into harrassing people from the years of hassling people in parks and beaches with 'The End is Nigh' booklets. Harrassment... sheesh... poor liddle male member.

Any thinking person will know that the many claims you make about Revival churches frequently occur among other religions, christian churches, political parties and sporting clubs.

Oh puh-lease.

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He's the same yesterday, today and forever.


PMSL!!!  Funniest thing I have read all day.

Funny little Moth.
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And I just worked out what PMSL means, I think its better than LMAO, sounds more Australian to me.
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Knock, Knock......excuse me but I just want to say that all I want of this forum is an opportunity to get the inside story out of just what is happening within these church groups. I want to hear stories of whats happening, whos doing what to who, and just good old gossip that really puts the heat onto these groups. I want to know what is happening now. as well as what has happened years ago. new people need to know the history of these groups so that they can understand what is happening now. they need to know the tactics of their astors and churchs. GRC used to have a very active forum site but probably thru apethy and infighting amongst contributors it has dropped off. But the evil doings of Noel hollins hasn't. So lets stop the infighting amongst ourselves and get onto the real stories of what is happening within these groups so that we can keep the pressure on them.   
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Moth dude, the majority of posters do HATE the Rev church and its beliefs.

Hate: to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

But look we can't even agree on that! (shrugs).

(When will we see the second coming of Ian?) **)

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We steer away from the word hate because our culture and often religions, teach us  that 'to hate' is wrong. But according to your definition above, yes, we hate 'em.  But as far as most people use the word hate, we don't hate Revivalists.  So really, it's just a matter of semantics, using and redefining words to suit our ever-changing cultural sensitivities.

A good example of this is the use of the word piss in the KJV Bible. Once upon a time it just meant urine and was used in Holy Writ. You won't find it in the NIV.  ;)
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We steer away from the word hate because our culture and often religions, teach us  that 'to hate' is wrong. But according to your definition above, yes, we hate 'em.  But as far as most people use the word hate, we don't hate Revivalists.  So really, it's just a matter of semantics, using and redefining words to suit our ever-changing cultural sensitivities.

A good example of this is the use of the word piss in the KJV Bible. Once upon a time it just meant urine and was used in Holy Writ. You won't find it in the NIV.  ;)

I think saying "Those that piss against the wall" is much better than simply saying "The men". KJV fan.
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Moth dude, the majority of posters do HATE the Rev church and its beliefs. Hate: to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. But look we can't even agree on that! (shrugs).

Another four letter word people pussyfoot around when it comes to the Revivalists is that they're a CULT. It's a religious cult, and the indoctrination process they use to clone people into 'Lukes and Longfields' are detestable and intensely unlikeable.

Geesh, I hate cults.
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Hey, there's probably only a few people like monkey magic and moth who are honest enough to admit this forum has a lot of hate.  (And some of it is justified)

Our friends at Wikipedia say: 'A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain internet forums and news that emphasize a particular viewpoint.'

On this website anything REV is to be hated.  And yet if you dig a little deeper into the posts we see Ian speaking in tongues everyday in his prayer time.  Other's saying they had good experiences at Rev churches but things went sour.

Revival members and leaders need to be accountable for their actions, as do members of any club or church.

So I hope more members read these posts and get informed and press for necessary improvements.

But walking away from a fellowship (be it rev, AOG, catholic) is not always the right action.

We don't walk away from democratic government even though it lets us down badly at times.

Surely we are all responsible for the health of our fellowships and should WORK towards this.

I have at times challenged pastors on issues and it can get sticky but in the end Rev is where I want to fellowship at the moment, and I work at improving things. 

Of course I could always go to the catholic or anglican church - i'm sure the rampant child sex abuse issues are easier to deal with than some overbearing pastor.

As I said there are problems in EVERY church or club where HUMANS gather and we should try to LOVE each other.

While there is some good info on this site that should challenge Revivalists, I see alot of nastiness and gossip.

I suppose for some people they get their 'fix' from it.

What I don't see on this forum is professional psychological help for people who are struggling in life.

So come on Forum chiefs, you can do better.

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Hey, there's probably only a few people like monkey magic and moth who are honest enough to admit this forum has a lot of hate.  (And some of it is justified)

Our friends at Wikipedia say: 'A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain internet forums and news that emphasize a particular viewpoint.'


Ah, but I was careful to agree to the use of the word hate only in terms of the definition given above, not the popular use of the word.  To say this is a hate site or that it vilifies Revivalists or Revival Churches is simply not true. Defining the word hate as you are trying to is not a definition I am willing to subscribe to here or ascribe to this site.

Revival Churches are, as Moth pointed out, CULTS, and not just churches with a few quirky beliefs or issues.

That being said, the Revival churches and other cults are free to exist.  This is an unfortunate but necessary
consequence of Australia's freedom of religion policies. To limit groups like these would lead to dangerous precedents in terms of the limiting of freedom of worship and religion.

You are free to attend any church you wish, but we are also free to tell you that you shouldn't and that doing so is harmful to your mental and spiritual well-being. 

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I have at times challenged pastors on issues and it can get sticky but in the end Rev is where I want to fellowship at the moment, and I work at improving things. 

Been there done that don't waste your time, as you can't build on a cracked foundation.
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"...moth... are honest enough to admit this forum has a lot of hate."

Excuse me, but I did not say that at all. I said I, personally, hate 'cults' and that Revivalism can be defined as such. I did not say that the forum has a lot of hate. I invite you to look through the 'Introductions and stories' room of the forum and see how much 'Hate' you find in those stories. Where you see hate and gossip, I see people who have been hurt and want/need to share their experiences to help others from falling into the same trap. Where you see 'nastiness' I see people warning you that you're in an overly-controlling organisation.

I hate being misquoted, but that doesn't mean I hate you. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Hate cults, pity the people we relate to that are stuck in them.
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"Of course I could always go to the catholic or anglican church - i'm sure the rampant child sex abuse issues are easier to deal with than some overbearing pastor."

Ha, hypocritical much? Rampant child abuse huh? A bit like how every surfer gets eaten by sharks... not. Sex abuse happens, and that's horrible and unfortunate, but I don't think it's typical of every Catholic priest. Sounds like you've got some 'hate' of your own you'd like to use the forum to sound it out on.

I've spoken to people over the years who have suffered sexual abuse from Revival leaders, and 'cover-ups'... omg. While in Revival my ex-wife was told, pretty much, to get over the molestation she suffered from her father because that was 'before' he was spirit-filled, according to their criteria. The ability to free-vocalise does not mean child-molesters should get away with it. Overbearing pastors my ass... but hey, I wouldn't want to judge ALL Revival 'pastors' by those stories, hey?
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>> And yet if you dig a little deeper into the posts we see Ian speaking in tongues everyday in his prayer time. 

Actually he says that the "salvation message" is unbiblical and "another gospel". (FWIW I happen to agree.) Check out pleaseconsider.info!


>>But walking away from a fellowship (be it rev, AOG, catholic) is not always the right action.

But when the central doctrine (the "salvation message") is "another gospel" and the organisation will not desist from it, a Xian will seek to fellowship, instead, somewhere the Xian gospel *is* preached, even if there may be circumstances requiring him/her to attend RCI/RF gatherings.


>> but in the end Rev is where I want to fellowship at the moment, and I work at improving things. 

I'd suggest you find out what the biblical "gospel of Jesus Christ" is, and hasten to somewhere that is preached and taught.


>>As I said there are problems in EVERY church or club where HUMANS gather and we should try to LOVE each other.

And an important way you can love your friends "in rev" would be to point out to the differences between the "salvation message" and the biblical gospel of Jesus Christ.


>>So come on Forum chiefs, you can do better.

And you'd do better fellowshipping in a Xian church, rather than supporting a place that preaches "another gospel".


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Pls excuse the terseness of my reply. No offense intended, I just don't have too much time to spend here. Chuck in a few smilies if I came across as rude

@Moddy

I seem to have lost the "edit" option in the "actions" available to me. What 'm I doin' wrong?
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My bad, the last 2 (#67, #68) posts were from me.

Also, I see I "lost" my "edit" option 'cos I wasn't logged in. (D'oh!)

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Moth dude, the majority of posters do HATE the Rev church and its beliefs.

Hate: to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

But look we can't even agree on that! (shrugs).

(When will we see the second coming of Ian?) **)


Guest,

Criticism and dislike of other churches was quite rife in Revival circles.  Mainline and particularly the evil Catholics, compromising Pentecostals and other, as you put it, quirky groups came under fire in the name of God and the exercising of righteous judgement by the saints of Revival.

Those who leave, some wounded by their Revival experience, who want to share, receive support and in turn support  others who might use this forum as a point of entry into the world outside Revival, you are labelling Revival Church haters.  That is wrong Guest.  Just looking at your own postings you appear to have some issues yourself which may be keeping you hovering around this forum.

Some Catholic visitors who once attended an evening meeting were highly offended by a particularly harsh and to quote their words, hateful attack on their church.  Detecting ignorance on the part of the pastor they confronted him to correct some of his error and it was revealed after much coaxing that he had never set foot in a Catholic church and his only real contact with a Catholic had been a distant relative. 

There was a similar occurrence at a housemeeting with a scathing attack by a houseleader who couldn't even claim a distant Catholic relative but had picked up "bits and pieces" about his subject from "here and there."

Now here's the difference, my dear Guest, ex Revivalists are speaking from personal experience of some 10, 20, 30 years or more in Revival and have perhaps deliberated long and hard before leaving, so I'm sure you will agree they know what they're talking about.  Also I've not seen hatred here that you refer to.  Most though would strongly disagree with Revival Church beliefs.

God Bless You.

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Hey, there's probably only a few people like monkey magic and moth who are honest enough to admit this forum has a lot of hate.  (And some of it is justified)

Our friends at Wikipedia say: 'A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain internet forums and news that emphasize a particular viewpoint.'

On this website anything REV is to be hated.  And yet if you dig a little deeper into the posts we see Ian speaking in tongues everyday in his prayer time.  Other's saying they had good experiences at Rev churches but things went sour.

Revival members and leaders need to be accountable for their actions, as do members of any club or church.

So I hope more members read these posts and get informed and press for necessary improvements.

But walking away from a fellowship (be it rev, AOG, catholic) is not always the right action.

We don't walk away from democratic government even though it lets us down badly at times.

Surely we are all responsible for the health of our fellowships and should WORK towards this.

I have at times challenged pastors on issues and it can get sticky but in the end Rev is where I want to fellowship at the moment, and I work at improving things. 

Of course I could always go to the catholic or anglican church - i'm sure the rampant child sex abuse issues are easier to deal with than some overbearing pastor.

As I said there are problems in EVERY church or club where HUMANS gather and we should try to LOVE each other.

While there is some good info on this site that should challenge Revivalists, I see alot of nastiness and gossip.

I suppose for some people they get their 'fix' from it.

What I don't see on this forum is professional psychological help for people who are struggling in life.

So come on Forum chiefs, you can do better.


FWIW I don't think you really believe what you wrote. The revs have always challenged people to leave what they call "compromising churches" telling them that they would be much better off fellowshipping "in truth" with them instead.

The clincher is that you revs don't even preach the biblical gospel so you can't even be considered Christians. Christians can and do agree to disagree on quite a few issues but you've got to accept the biblical gospel to even be be part of the Christian church. What you guys promote isn't the biblical gospel it's "another gospel" altogether, the kind of message that gets you in a world of hurt (and the kind of message that promotes a world of hate). It's poison. So walking away from any rev group will always be the right option.

Last do you reckon Ian supports your position on tongues? I can't see it myself so you're either hopelessly optimistic or hopelessly deluded. Either way your actions don't match your words.
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Hopefully with great clouds and great glory !!  and Monkey Man falls upon his knees in

deep repentance and humbly apologizes to Ian.



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Well it looks like some of you are starting to foam at the mouth so I will depart.

Too many to reply to...  but no Ep no issues for me, I just drop in from time to time, because I do like to keep informed.

Nearly 30 years in RCI and now RF ( i've visited some other churches too) and for me Jesus is still the only way.

For those who claim I'm a false christian - I will pray for you.

I hope you ALL find the answers and healing you seek and continue to grow in Christ.

To the atheists... hmmm have a nice day!
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... the above was from the fabulous Male Member!
GAL 5 v 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

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To the atheists... hmmm have a nice day!

Ciao bello. xxx

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Well it looks like some of you are starting to foam at the mouth so I will depart.

Too many to reply to...  but no Ep no issues for me, I just drop in from time to time, because I do like to keep informed.

Nearly 30 years in RCI and now RF ( i've visited some other churches too) and for me Jesus is still the only way.

For those who claim I'm a false christian - I will pray for you.

I hope you ALL find the answers and healing you seek and continue to grow in Christ.

To the atheists... hmmm have a nice day!

Guest

Nice to hear from you I see you like to drop in now and again maybe you think you might be missing out on something??

I know that while I was a member of RC/RF for around seventeen years I always thought something was not quite right.

The biggest fear I had was losing my salvation if I were to leave.

I think this is the hardest thing to get ones head around, and after making that decision it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to  me.Try and keep an open mind no one can take away what Christ has given you.

Think about it.


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This thread has turned into a mixed bag huh?

No sign of Ian. I'm tempted to go to a mirror and say his name three times to see what happens... but I'm too chicken.

Ha, last night my daughter and I were watching the movie, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, when the power went out. Scared the freaking bejesus out of me. It was one of those moments when I was really really gad I don't believe in demons, because it was a moment. We then turned to my ipod to watch Family Guy in the dark... and in the show we watched, they had a blackout.

Maybe there IS a blackout demon after all.
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I need to make another 91 posts to catch up on Ian.

Oh, and Cruel Twist... can you believe someone we know mutually actually went 'back' to Revival?

Someone told her she needed god in her life... /eyeroll, and maybe she does. If only she found a less culty one in which to chase fairies. Sad sad sad, but sometimes, for some people... after being in Revival for so long, it's all they know, and the familiarity and love bombing from old faces is a bit of a 'hit' when you're vulnerable and lost.
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Well it looks like some of you are starting to foam at the mouth so I will depart.

Too many to reply to...  but no Ep no issues for me, I just drop in from time to time, because I do like to keep informed.

Nearly 30 years in RCI and now RF ( i've visited some other churches too) and for me Jesus is still the only way.

For those who claim I'm a false christian - I will pray for you.

I hope you ALL find the answers and healing you seek and continue to grow in Christ.

To the atheists... hmmm have a nice day!

What makes you think you're a Christian Mr Member? A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ, that's the word's basic meaning. To follow Jesus Christ is to accept and put into practice his teachings. You revs don't do this given that you'd rather follow Lloyd and "make the grace of God of no effect" (Gal 5:4). So you've spent 30 years in the RCI and RF? I don't reckon that's something to crow about!

Do you really think there's much of a difference between you and the atheists? The atheists live as if Jesus's claims and teachings don't matter and aren't relevant for eternity. Well so do the revs when you stop and think about it.
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Well it looks like some of you are starting to foam at the mouth so I will depart.

Too many to reply to...  but no Ep no issues for me, I just drop in from time to time, because I do like to keep informed.

Nearly 30 years in RCI and now RF ( i've visited some other churches too) and for me Jesus is still the only way.

For those who claim I'm a false christian - I will pray for you.

I hope you ALL find the answers and healing you seek and continue to grow in Christ.

To the atheists... hmmm have a nice day!


So MM/Guest, you've visited some other churches too have you?   If that were so, with your long experience in RCI/RF,  you would know that it is totally against Revival regulations and should it get out and reach the ears of a pastor it would require a good "putting out" of fellowship.

No true Revivalist worth their salt would dare enter into these forbidden practices which are considered by Revival churches to be spiritual fornication no less.

A pity you're leaving so soon as there are other inconsistancies that could be queried.

God Bless

Epi

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You're seeing things that are just not so my dear guest;  a pouting Ian and some of us foaming at the mouth indeed!  A pure figment of the imagination.



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Now, this is what bothers me about christians. Many of you are all too eager to consign each other to hell. I'm sure if the bible is true, and jesus is as loving and forgiving as you all say he is, then he will be happy you are giving your life over to him, no matter what the terminologies you're all using, or what interpretation you have been convinced of following.

Revs are following jesus the best way they know how, so are the orthodox, and so are the Edge goers. Your all knowing god will see that. I don't think he would be happy with any of you pointing fingers and proclaiming each other as non christians for neglecting to spend hours and hours, maybe years, reading the small print. What for the spirit?

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Big_Girl, would you mind reposting your above post in the ex-Christian Room and we open it up for discussion in there (inviting the Christians too)?  I think this is an excellent point and one I'd like to see open for debate from both sides, I'm afraid it will get lost in this thread.
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Now, this is what bothers me about christians. Many of you are all too eager to consign each other to hell. I'm sure if the bible is true, and jesus is as loving and forgiving as you all say he is, then he will be happy you are giving your life over to him, no matter what the terminologies you're all using, or what interpretation you have been convinced of following.

Revs are following jesus the best way they know how, so are the orthodox, and so are the Edge goers. Your all knowing god will see that. I don't think he would be happy with any of you pointing fingers and proclaiming each other as non christians for neglecting to spend hours and hours, maybe years, reading the small print. What for the spirit?

Regards, big girl

I don't remember consigning anyone to hell and I couldn't find anyone else doing it either when I read over the conversation.

Just believing the Bible doesn't make anyone a Christian anymore than believing in medicine makes someone a doctor. Following Jesus involves putting his teaching into action. Following Lloyd Longfield involves putting Lloyd's teaching into action. If Lloyd Longfield's teaching isn't the same of Jesus Christ's then it's not a matter of different terminology it's a matter of different beliefs. It's like calling a lemon an apple rather than calling a spade a spade.

The fine print may be open to interpretation but the stuff in bold really isn't. 
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From what I gather about the christian message, and certainly the dominant belief on this forum as taught by Ian, is that if you are not a christian, you are going to hell. The poster, had intimated that the  previous poster is not a christian, therefore, I put two and two together, and wrote that they were assigned to hell.

I was just trying to say that it was a terrible let down to realize that the RF/RCI were not the only ones to say they were right, and that other church goers weren't the true christians. It definately was the death knell for me regarding any christian belief I might have had. I am assuming that Ian represents mainstream christian theology, and he certainly intimated that people who attended pentecostal churches were not true christians.

The bible belief is meant to be a simple belief, open to all, and especially to the weak, humble, broken etc. If you belief that Jesus is the son of god, and took away your sins etc etc, ask for forgiveness, etc , then you are a christian. I hope this is the stuff in Bold you are talking about.

You also stated that you have to follow Jesus and his teachings, and that following LLoyd wouldn't get you there either. But some state that the word needs to be rightly divided to find the true meaning. This can only be done by certain trained people. Therefore  a christian would have to follow an Ian or a Lloyd or a Joe Bloggs. If the bible is so complicated it needs 4 years study to learn it, you need to choose a teacher (from the myriad different persuasions available)

It seems it is not a simple matter to be a christian, is it the Bold letters that any one can understand, or do you need the four years study to read the fine print?

big girl
PS, Troy, not sure if I should move this, as i am replying to the previous post. Also, aren't christians allowed everywhere on this forum? (it was only Ian who wasn't?)

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PS, Troy, not sure if I should move this, as i am replying to the previous post. Also, aren't christians allowed everywhere on this forum? (it was only Ian who wasn't?)


For sure. It wasn't a directive. I was just suggesting it be moved there so the topic could take on a life of it's own and be properly labelled. I was also inviting the Christians to still be involved.  It was just a suggestion. No dramas from me if you want to keep it going here.

Your call.  :)

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Hi Troy,

I'm not fussed either, and if you had moved it, i wouldn't have noticed anyway!

To move or not to move, your call!
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From what I gather about the christian message, and certainly the dominant belief on this forum as taught by Ian, is that if you are not a christian, you are going to hell. The poster, had intimated that the  previous poster is not a christian, therefore, I put two and two together, and wrote that they were assigned to hell.

I was just trying to say that it was a terrible let down to realize that the RF/RCI were not the only ones to say they were right, and that other church goers weren't the true christians. It definately was the death knell for me regarding any christian belief I might have had. I am assuming that Ian represents mainstream christian theology, and he certainly intimated that people who attended pentecostal churches were not true christians.

The bible belief is meant to be a simple belief, open to all, and especially to the weak, humble, broken etc. If you belief that Jesus is the son of god, and took away your sins etc etc, ask for forgiveness, etc , then you are a christian. I hope this is the stuff in Bold you are talking about.

You also stated that you have to follow Jesus and his teachings, and that following LLoyd wouldn't get you there either. But some state that the word needs to be rightly divided to find the true meaning. This can only be done by certain trained people. Therefore  a christian would have to follow an Ian or a Lloyd or a Joe Bloggs. If the bible is so complicated it needs 4 years study to learn it, you need to choose a teacher (from the myriad different persuasions available)

It seems it is not a simple matter to be a christian, is it the Bold letters that any one can understand, or do you need the four years study to read the fine print?

big girl
PS, Troy, not sure if I should move this, as i am replying to the previous post. Also, aren't christians allowed everywhere on this forum? (it was only Ian who wasn't?)


If this is any example of how you interpret written stuff, I can only cringe imagining how you'd interpret the bible. You said that the Christians here consigned people to hell. But nobody actually said this except you. So it wasn't the Christians who assigned people to hell, it was a non-Christian (you). It looks to me like you put two and two together and came up with five.

Being a church goer doesn't make someone a Christian anymore than being a library goer makes someone a librarian. So the death knell for your Christian belief seems to have been a total misunderstanding of the issues. I reckon I've read just about everything Ian's written here and I can't remember him ever saying that being a Pentecostal stopped someone from being a Christian. I can remember him saying that being a Pentecostal makes a person more prone to accepting unbiblical nonsense because Pentecostal pastors aren't known for being deep thinkers. So are we looking at another misunderstanding based on another misinterpretation on your part?

Any Christian will tell you that bible belief is simple belief which is probably why mainstream Christian churches don't struggle with heresy and why average people don't struggle with understanding the gospel. It's clear you understand the "stuff in bold" ok which just supports my claim that average people don't struggle with understanding the gospel. But the revs don't believe the "stuff in bold" do they? So according to your own criteria they aren't Christians. So what's the problem?

You know that the bible clearly states that the church has teachers and that the church needs teachers don't you? Again, what's the problem? People learn best when they're taught by someone whos studied a subject in enough detail to be able to understand it well. If I want to learn Italian it's probably going to be more beneficial for me to find someone who understands Italian and has proven himself teaching it, then it would be for me to buy a book on Italian and go for broke myself. Why would understanding the bible be any different?

I reckon it's a real simple matter to become a Christian and a whole lot simpler than it is to become a rev. I also reckon it's probably not as simple to be able to prove that people like Lloyd Longfield (and the revs) don't know what they're talking about. Especially if they read the "fine print" the same way that you apparently do.

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This thread is going to hell... in a handbag. Whatever the hell that expression means. Your call.




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To Guest,

I'm glad you accept all other christians then!

As for Ian, it was in the chat box that he was basically saying that pentecostal churches aren't preaching hte gospel and aren't christians.  I could ask Moth for the transcript of this convo, but it could be a  year, maybe 9 months ago, and I really couldn't be bothered.

As long as you don't believe that, and the other christians, excellent. You restore my faith in christians in general!

Regards, big girl
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To Guest,

I'm glad you accept all other christians then!

As for Ian, it was in the chat box that he was basically saying that pentecostal churches aren't preaching hte gospel and aren't christians.  I could ask Moth for the transcript of this convo, but it could be a  year, maybe 9 months ago, and I really couldn't be bothered.

As long as you don't believe that, and the other christians, excellent. You restore my faith in christians in general!

Regards, big girl

Because I'm a Christian I choose not to discriminate against other Christians. I accept them and I try to practice tolerance. But acceptance and tolerance doesn't mean that I have to be naive. There are revs that are Christians but that doesn't make the rev groups Christian. Christian churches understand and promote the Christian gospel. The rev groups don't understand the Christian gospel and they don't promote the Christian gospel so they're not Christian.

You've said some pretty dumb things in the last couple of days about Christians that didn't pan out when the facts were checked and you've said some pretty dumb things about Ian that probably won't pan out if the facts were checked either. I know for a fact that he doesn't recommend Pentecostal churches as a good choice of fellowship but I also know for a fact that he does accept that most of us do preach the gospel. When my family and I left TRF 3 years ago he introduced me to a AOG pastor who gave us plenty of help. He even preached at our AOG church once and he's still good friends with my pastor.

Perhaps you should check your facts better before you comment on stuff you really don't understand?


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i think it's time to get ian back here. this place is just dead without his input (no offense meant troy but you can't seem to carry a conversation like he could).
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i think it's time to get ian back here. this place is just dead without his input (no offense meant troy but you can't seem to carry a conversation like he could).
I was just thinking more or less the same thing. Dont like it here any more, its really lost something. Maybe its Troy pushing his athiest stuff too much. Had I have stumbled on here as it is now when I was thinking about leaving grc,it wouldnt have helped me decide to leave, thats for sure. Good luck Troy and gang, but its not for me anymore.

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i think it's time to get ian back here. this place is just dead without his input (no offense meant troy but you can't seem to carry a conversation like he could).

No offence taken Ghosted. You suck at carrying the conversation too.

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I was just thinking more or less the same thing. Dont like it here any more, its really lost something. Maybe its Troy pushing his athiest stuff too much. Had I have stumbled on here as it is now when I was thinking about leaving grc,it wouldnt have helped me decide to leave, thats for sure. Good luck Troy and gang, but its not for me anymore.


Thanks Prezy. Maybe it is all my fault. Dirty fornicating Atheist that I am. Take it easy and best of luck to you too.

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"Had I have stumbled on here as it is now when I was thinking about leaving grc,it wouldn't have helped me decide to leave, that's for sure. Good luck Troy and gang, but its not for me anymore."

Goodbye whiney...

A forum is only as good as the input any or all members put into it. You failed. :P

yet the forum will continue, and I've seen such lulls as this one over the six years I've frequented it. Some people need to have their say, and then move on... They'll go and someone will be here, and we'll happily help out when we can, even if it's just to pass on Ian's email address.

But really, what is there that hasn't been said and chewed over time and time again? The archives are set. The information is here, and it isn't moving. It waits patiently hoping to send a message to the poor individuals leaving Revival, that they are NOT alone. There are people that have been through what they have.

Ian was certainly very good at keeping a conversation going, as long as it was towards the goal of having someone accept his orthodoxy. He would hound and hound, until the opposition's will bended, or until they gave up and either humoured him or joined him. Mostly he endured personal attacks aplenty and only was able to do his theological thump on when the Revivalist of many faces (Luke) rose up and threw down their pathetic gauntlets.

So yeah, he's not here to do that anymore, and I'm sorry you miss him and don't want to play without him. Sincerely though, thanks for you input during the time you have been here. Good times.

On yer bike. :D

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You'd swear some of these people think we're here for them and them alone. Small minds.

M&R is right, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out...

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the core group has left. i reckon your attitude will probably drive away others too. the place has changed and so have you.
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the core group has left. i reckon your attitude will probably drive away others too. the place has changed and so have you.

And you don't think Ian's attitude drove anyone away?

This isn't a place of 'fellowship'... come, go, whatever. We don't need an ongoing active crowd.

Most of my first year in this forum, in 2005, was me, Troy, anon, and Snakechic... and Ian poked his head in every now and again until various annoyed moderators closed the door on him.

The core group of 2005 is pretty much intact, and others come and go, as they should, 'cause it's unhealthy to stick around as much as the core group has :P

And I haven't changed. I've always been this erratic.
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i think it's probably ian's attitude that attracted people here and kept them coming back. some people loved him some people hated him but it's his conversations that kept this place relevent. my take is the only people who whinged about ian were those who just couldn't keep up with him. they whinged a lot. and btw i didn't mean you and troy when i refered to the "core" group. i meant the ten or so people who kept the conversations going over the years (there the same core core group who have apparently left the instant messaging thing below to you and troy as well). sure erractic is probably one way to decsribe your approach here but "flip-flop" probably fits better.

please try to think about what other people want too, ok?
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Good points...

Change happened

You can't please everyone

Ian's gone

life goes on


(there the same core core group who have apparently left the instant messaging thing below to you and troy as well)

Well, let's not write off big girl, and Eme, in the chatbox atm if you want to squabble.
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Re:The current status of the forum

Date Posted:02/05/2010 6:15 AMCopy HTML


This has all happened before and will all happen again.

Here's a wee history lesson.  The original core group of the forum were Troy Harris, Nick Greer, Katie Hockley and myself. Greg Osborne came later. All these people were regulars for years. Ian didn't show up until a few years after that. Ian eventually drove Katie away as she was a Wiccan and he would have none of that.  Ian was banned at least once. The forum itself has been shut down at least twice, maybe more, I can't quite remember.
Glad-to-be-out was also on the forum in the late 90s and was instrumental in seeing ex-GRC people begin to post, something that hadn't happened at all until she was on the scene. It was a victory for us at the time as we'd been wanting their input for years.

I was heavily involved until I went to Korea in late 1999 and then only posted sporadically. Nick was moderating it for most of that time and I think Troy Harris might have for a while too.  You would do well to ask Ian as I recall he once claimed he kept copies of EVERYTHING posted on the forum. He may still have it all stored somewhere, though god knows why.

I rebooted the forum on Aimoo and ran it anonymously while in Singapore due to threats of legal action from both the RCI and CAI.
MothandRust came along at some stage (when was that M&R?) and made himself part of the furniture too.  It was while I was here in China that I eventually handed it on to Uncoolman who runs it to this very day.

So while you correctly claim core members have gone (many have over the years), you fail to recognise that the longest standing members of the forum now would have to be myself, Moth&Rust, Glad-to-be-out and Ian, and three of those four are still posting. 

What you call the 'core group' may have played a role in the forum in the relatively brief time you have been here, but they are hardly long-standing members and they are hardly the core of anything. It may be human nature to place ourselves and our experience at the centre of the universe, but in this case, you'd do better to get a look at the bigger picture before shooting off your mouth (or keyboard).


Seriously, if you're not happy then for god's sake JUST GO! As I have said to many people before you and will say to others after you...This forum is not a church, an assembly, or an official group of any kind. If you want to leave then you are free to. If you want to stay then you are also free to. But stop bitching and moaning and start posting something of merit. If you're not part of the solution then you're a part of the problem.
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