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Date Posted:12/07/2005 8:21 PMCopy HTML

$%*'`[Shammah]%*'`@Here is a link to a Pentecostal Church in the US/NZ/Australia etc with a very similar salvation message to the RCI. Are they all wrong too?http://www.upci.org/doctrine/Holy_Ghost.asp
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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

Date Posted:13/07/2005 4:18 AMCopy HTML

Yes.  They are wrong too.

And before you go getting all 'safety in numbers' about this find of yours let me note a few things for you...

1.  The United Pentecostal Church (UPC) preach a salvation message similar to the RCs and that's pretty much where the similarities end.

2. They believe in a modalist (or Oneness) interpretation of the Godhead and so do not believe that Father, Son and HS co-exist but rather each existed in different periods in history: Father in the OT; Son in the gospel times; and HS in the church age.  They believe that all non-modalists are of the devil and unsaved.  This means the RCI, RF, GRC, CAI...and you.

3. They believe in Jesus only baptism which means that anyone baptised in the name of the Father, Son and HS is not truly baptised and thus not saved.  So that includesthe RCI, RF, GRC, CAI...and you.

4. They have fractured into many different groups who all believe they are the one true church, have nothing to do with their former friends and families and that all other groups are blind leaders of the blind...including your church.

5. There are numerous ex-members, books and websites out there which describe them as a destructive cult and report stories just as attrocious as those in the RCs.  I suggest you do a search on Google and see what you come up with.

So you take as much comfort in the UPC existing as you like, but just remember, they think you're headed to hell with the rest of us.

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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

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I used to get pretty excited to find out about other churches who worshipped the act of glossalalia (tongues, that is... and yes I said worshipped. lol) as i felt like I wasn't so alone with my special precious salvation doctrine. Thing is, to get that legalistic over a salvation criteria usually leads to legalism in other areas and all these churches who soapbox their special precious are pretty out-of-whack controlling elitests.

 

 

 

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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

Date Posted:13/07/2005 6:40 PMCopy HTML

modalism... is that why god no longer inspires bibles/books? [the word became flesh became spirit etc.]

and correct me if they changed it or something, but didn't the rev's baptise in the name of the father son and holy ghost?

if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Date Posted:14/07/2005 8:44 AMCopy HTML

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modalism... is that why god no longer inspires bibles/books? [the word became flesh became spirit etc.]

I do't think they actually believe that.  Dunno if anyone has a satisfactory answer as to why God doesn't inspire anything anymore...except Elizabethan English after communion.

and correct me if they changed it or something, but didn't the rev's baptise in the name of the father son and holy ghost?

Yes, u are correct.  And as I said, the UPC believes anyone baptised in the name of the Father, Son and HS is not truly baptised and thus not saved.  So that includesthe RCI, RF, GRC, CAI.

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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

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Reply to : avenger dudemodalism... is that why god no longer inspires bibles/books? [the word became flesh became spirit etc.]I do't think they actually believe that. Dunno if anyone has a satisfactory answer as to why God doesn't inspire anything anymore...except Elizabethan English after communion.and correct me if they changed it or something, but didn't the rev's baptise in the name of the father son and holy ghost?Yes, u are correct. And as I said, the UPC believes anyone baptised in the name of the Father, Son and HS is not truly baptised and thus not saved.So that includesthe RCI, RF, GRC, CAI.





If you baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you baptize as well in the name of Jesus (the Son).
Matthew 24, Luke 21
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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

Date Posted:16/07/2005 9:33 AMCopy HTML

Yeh I am currently a member of a board and I run into these people quite frequently - along with their 'oneness' doctrine and tongues salvation message!  They are a lot of fun, they argue in circular fasion too...it's really quite amazing to watch them use the same arguements I used to use.

Whatever help- the UPC believe that baptising in the name of the Father the son and the Holy Ghost is WRONG and that you are to ONLY baptise in the name of Jesus Christ.  They do not believe that the three persons are one with God being the Godhead.  They believe that there was God, then God became Jesus then he became the Holy Spirit...which kinda throws all the "You see me you see my father who sent me" and "there came a voice from heaven blah blah blah" scriptures out the window.  But you see, they do what the R's do and twist the scriptures around to support their argument.

But yes they are a tongue speaking church as well and worship tongues and gives glory to the HOly Spirit just like you...but unfortunatly they think you all are going to hell...right along with us

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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

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If you baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you baptize as well in the name of Jesus (the Son).

You're thinking like a Trinitarian or Tritheist. but  you're not thiking like a Modalist.

Trinitarians believe in one God in three persons simultaneously...Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 
Tri+Unity = Trinity.

Tritheists believe in 3 Gods...Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 
Tri+Theos = Tritheist

Modalists believe in one God who has existed in 3 modes at differnt times.
Mode (or roles)

Modalists would argue against what you have said .  They believe that 'Jesus' is the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  To the Modalist, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names but rather descriptive terms of different incarnations of God.  For example, Jesus is the Son but his name is Jesus not 'the Son'.  I know it sounds convoluted, but it isn't to them.  They go into it in detail here: http://www.upci.org/tracts/baptize.htm.

Ask your pastor what you believe as a Revivalist.  See if he even knows.

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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

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$%*'`[Shammah]%*'`@Many thanks
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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

Date Posted:21/10/2005 10:28 PMCopy HTML

The Bible gives us a basis to KNOW that we are saved, it has NOTHING to do with feeling, miracles etc. God states a fact, and I am glad for that, for there are times I do not "feel" saved, but God's Word says that I am, so I am!!!!!!

1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

These are great verses, and I could quote many more, but as you can see, no mention of tongues being necessary for an evidence of salvation is noted. Here are some very informative sites to research the incredible concept of salvation 'without' the gibberish.

http://gospel-herald.com/noorbergen/glossolalia_book_1/g1_ch2_2.htm

http://www.souldevice.org/x_tongues.html

http://www.biblestudysite.com/tongues.htm

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Re:The United Pentecostals and salvation

Date Posted:22/10/2005 9:23 AMCopy HTML

Reply to : MrJonah

Trinitarians believe in one God in three persons simultaneously...Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 
Tri+Unity = Trinity.

Tritheists believe in 3 Gods...Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 
Tri+Theos = Tritheist

Modalists believe in one God who has existed in 3 modes at differnt times.
Mode (or roles


 

..... and so what does the learned Mr. Jonah believeth and thinketh ???  

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