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I hope that many folks from the GRC read the recent article in the Geelomg Advertiser where attention was bought to a statement that the Apostle Paul made in Acts chapter 26 verse 7. It is a very very important statement for all that are in the GRC.

It is is so important coz IT PROVES BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT that the British Israel teaching is not true, and realising that BI is not true is so important for all GRC memebers coz Noel has publicly and privately said that BI is one of the foundations of his church and the crucial all important truth of his church's vision. That one single statement from Paul settles the matter. BI CANNOT be true. Coz, if you carefully read what he says in that passage,he is saying that there were no lost tribes! According to BI teaching, at the time Paul said this, the 10 tribes had become lost, and were the Germanic Anglo Saxons. The inspired Apostle says that the 10 tribes were NOT lost, the BI teaching says they were. The Apostle knew who and where the 10 tribes were at that time, BI teaching says they had become lost to themselves and to the Jews at that time. Paul was a Jew and he knew who they were, Bi teaching says the Jews didn't know who they were. Paul says that at that time the 10 tribes were "serving God night and day" (when he says the 12 tribes were thus serving it obviously includes the 10!).

Quite obviously he is saying that ALL the tribes were JEWS striving to keep the Law of Moses. BI teaching says that at that time the 10 tribes were the pagan Anglo Saxons who worshipped false pagan gods. Would it be accurate to say that they were "serving God day and night"?

All you brave thoughtful readers from the GRC, who are resisting Noel's attempts to contol what you read and think, please consider this: IF BI IS TRUE THE APOSTLE PAUL IS WRONG! IF PAUL IS CORRECT BI IS NOT TRUE!

You can't say that you believe that the New Testament is inspired by God and therefore reiable and infallible for faith and practice, and say "but the Apostle Paul was wrong when he said there were no lost 10 tribes". If Paul was wrong about that matter, then how do you know he wasn't wrong about other matters? Do you really think that Paul was wrong? Don't you think it is more likely that the BI exponents are wrong? Don't push the disturbing implications of this to the back of your mind and try to ignore it. Noel says the 10 tribes became lost and became Anglo Saxons, the Apostle Paul says that it's not true. Why don't you go to Noel and ask him to explain that passage to you? Would you dare to do it? I tried to do that , along with other questions about BI, 5 years ago, and instead of trying to answer the question, Noel told me to shut up, forget about it, and keep preaching about the lost tribes to the Filipinos here in our churches, even though I could see that Paul says there were no lost tribes!!

What was I supposed to do? Keep on preaching something that contradicts the clear teaching of the Apostle Paul? I told Noel my conscience did not permit me to preach BI until my doubts and questions were answered by him to my satisfaction. He NEVER even tried to answer the questions Paul's statement raises, and instead called me a dangerous backslider on my way to Hell with my family and any who would listen to me. The other pastors here in the Philippines spoke to Noel and asked him to answer the doubts and questions they had regarding BI.
 
Noel DID NOT answer their queries about BI, instead he just tried to convince them that I had become a dangerous backslider with an evil satanic hidden agenda. They were disappointed and disgusted by his avoidance of the real issue and decided not continue in fellowship with him.Until 5 years ago, I thought Noel was a genuine man of God with impeccable integrity. I respected and honored him as my pastor. I was appalled, shocked, and stunned when I had right before me undeniable evidence that Noel was DISHONEST.

Noel was deceitful. Noel tried to cover up and hide things. He is longer worthy of any respect or honor. Bi is one of the foundational doctrines of his church system and the Apostle Paul says it's wrong. Noel is preaching and teaching something not true. I.e he is teaching a lie!WHO DO YOU BELIEVE, NOEL, OR THE APOSTLE PAUL ?

Once your eyes are open to see what a lie BI really is, your eyes will open to see what has gone so terribly wrong in the GRC. Maybe it won't be the lies of Bi that will awaken you to the deceit of Noel, maybe it will be the way he breaks up marriages and families, the way he inspires you to HATE your brothers and sisters in Christ, who he makes you think are backsliders when they are not, the way he tries to control aspects of your life that are none of a pastor's business (what job to have, where to live, don't go to college, don't enter that profession etc. etc.). Maybe you can sense that something is really not right. Noel would have you believe that my motive for saying these things is coz I have an agenda. That I want to become the new King Pin, the new great leader, maybe the new "Apostle", that I want to "draw away disciples after myself".

Unfortuanetly, in Noel's churches,the true purpose and calling of a pastor is totally distorted. Just consider angry, abusive, raging, raving men such as Mick Brydon or Tony Addison. Those guys are nothing more that angry, hateful, manipulative bullies. Yet Noel expects you to honor and respect them as pastors of God's sheep, men after God's own heart. That is wrong and deceitful. You shouldn't have to put up with those guys virtually screaming in the pulpit, bellowing out their anger and hatred of other people who God has given His Spirit to.

You feel uncomfortable when you're sitting there as the "pastor" rants and raves, but you try to tell youself that he's more than usually "on fire", that he's just strongly "stirred up" in the Spirit. Yet, you still feel uneasy. So you should, coz what you are being exposed to is nothing more than an venomous, bitter outburst from a guy who has a serious problem with anger management! Don't the scriptures command pastors to convince those who oppose them with gentleness, with meekness ? Isn't that what your Bible says? Then why on earth are you putting up with "pastors" who are THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what scripture COMMANDS pastors to be?
 
Why do you put up with it? Coz Noel expects you to. Noel tells you that those angry, bitter men are true pastors of God's true church. So make sure you honor them even as they completely disregard the commands of scripture concerning what a pastor should be. The Bible says that pastors MUST not be quicktempered, angry and quarrelsome. There are obviously "pastors" who ARE angry, quicktempered, and quarrelsome in Noel's churches, yet he says "Honor them".

Do you believe BI? If you do ,stop believing the Apostle Paul. Five years ago when I discovered errors in BI doctrine, I asked Noel if he could convene a special meeting of all the pastors in his network of churches, so we could all get together, with Noel and myself,and discuss the problems connected with BI. Just like the early church did in Acts 15 when there was a doctrinal controversy. I said to Noel, "that's what the early church did to settle doctrinal questions and doubts, so let's do the same". He refused and said that today we have more understanding and wisdom than the early church in dealing with such matters, so we don't need to do what the Apostles did. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard those words from him. WE have more understanding and wisdom than the Apostles?!

Of course it is obvious why Noel didn't have the courage and honesty for such a meeting. He can't answer the questions,he can't defend BI from serious, cedible criticism, .....so ...the solution is..."Brett Warren is a heretic, backslider etc etc..don't listen to him, talk to him, read his letters, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM OR HIS CHURCH". Isn't it obvious why Noel is advocating such Medieval, Inquisition like measures as burning letters and literature? If you can't beat them burn their writings. Isn't it obvious why Noel is denouncing the Internet as Satan's new diabolical tool?

In a dictatorship such as Stalin's USSR, Hitler's Germany, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or today in Kim Jong Il's North Korea, people were afraid to say ANYTHING that disagreed with their leaders coz of the very real threat of physical death. In a spiritual dictatorship, the tyranny is worse, coz if you disagree with your leaders, you don't face physical death, but spiritual death and eternity in Hell! That fear is a far worse and greater fear than secular, political dictatorship. I am praying that people in the GRC will realise that they are living under a spitual dictatorship. Noel keeps his people "in order" by the threat of spiritual death if they dare to think for themselves and question him.

The Apostles were nothing like Noel in the way they allowed the church members to approach them. For example after Peter had gone to the house of Cornelius, when he came back to the church in Jerusalem, we are told, "...you went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them". Acts 11:3. In the previuos verse we are told that the Jerusalem members "contended with him". The church members,not just the leaders,thought that Peter had done something wrong, so when he came to the meeting , they (not just leaders) approached him and basically said to him "Listen Peter, you are totally wrong in what you did. You shouldn't have done what you did. Are you hearing us, Peter? You are wrong!".

Peter responded to this very public rebuke by "ordinary" church members by carefully "explaining" to them what he had done. Obviously, in the church in the Bible, "ordinary" non "clergy" members were free to approach even the Apostles and speak their mind! Peter didn't respond by saying "Don't question me, how dare you speak to me that, don't you know that I am the APOSTLE, don't question or doubt me." Could you imagine a group of "ordinary" members of GRC coming up to Noel after the meeting on Sunday and saying " Now listen here Noel, you are totally wrong in what you did, you shouldn't have done it, are you hearing us, Noel? YOU ARE WRONG." You could do that to the Apostle Peter, but you can't do it with Noel, can you? Is Noel greater than the Apostle Peter? Noel desperately is trying to hide things from you. Open your eyes and have the guts to oppose what you know is wrong. Stop being afraid of Noel . His claims are mere pretensions. I was once one of his pastors. I was part of the inner circle, the elite. A pastor in the one and only true church in the whole world. Us GRC pastors were truly the elite, the special ones. The great ones who must always be obeyed, even if we are wrong. Noel once said to me that even if a pastor is wrong his people must still obey him and God will bless. Where does the Bible say that if you do what is wrong God will bless you? Does the Bible teach that? The members of the early church in Jerusalem didn't believe such a thing and they made it clear to Peter.

SO, I'll finish by appealing to all GRC members to THINK. Yes, God gave us a brain to think with.One thing that is a great danger to Noel is a church member who thinks, reads, and asks challenging questions. I will see you all next year down under!!!! Tell Noel that when I'm in Geelong I'd like to have Tea and Scones with him.

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

Date Posted:29/09/2005 1:44 PMCopy HTML

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Hi all. Maybe you're wondering what this is, but it's a 1911 BI book that one of the Filipino brothers (Eugene) found in the BI bookstore when he visited Aus in the 1990s. I'll have to get more of this up here because it's very interesting. Milner, the author admits in this book that he used myths and legends to compile the geneologies. Hopefully I'll get most of it done by tomorrow.

I'd like to draw your attention to the cover page, above. You'll note Milner is the man whose name is on the geneological charts.

On page 15 of the book - the second page there - Milner refers to the legend of the Holy Grail. He is actually treating it as historic fact. Now the scriptures expressly say "Don't give heed to myths" 1 Tim 1:4. As we continue this thread you'll see Milner totally ignores that.

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

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If you look carefully at the pages above you see Milner refers to Aeneas. He makes no bones about the fact that he pulled this name from the Legend of Troy. Now while there may be some fact mingled with the legend there is certainly no way of knowing what is fact and what is legend. According to the legend the mother of Aeneas was Venus, goddess of love.

On page 20 of the book, reproduced above he claims that Odin (who was chief of the Norse Gods in Norse mythology) was a Hebrew.

If you still have any doubt about the credibility of Milner or his geneology on pages 21 and 22 he identifies Judah with Jupiter. Of course the link is obvious since both start with 'Ju'. Zeus is Jupiter who is Judah. The alarm bells should be ringing here. This is the foundation of the doctrine of the Throne of David being in England. It is absolute nonsense. He says the identical lineage of kings recorded in a case in Windsor library is identical to Roman myth. I doubt very much if such a case actually exists. I was told by a brother who went there once looking for the so-called geneological chart we were told was there that people there thought he was strange for imaging that such an object existed.

Later editions of this book don't mention any of this. Perhaps because it is too obviously crap. But here is the (so-called) one true church believing a doctrine based on myths.

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

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Brett,


Assuming, as you say,   that the ten tribes were not lost at the time of Paul's writings, where were they at that time, and where did they  finally end up?

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

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I didn't know there was a BI store in Aus ??? Unless it is attached to a Rev Centre somewhere - surely no one could hope to make a living out of peddling this sort of rubbish...
There's a BI bookstore in Melbourne. In the city proper. Brett learned about it early in his walk (late 70s) from other young brothers. Barry mentioned it to Brett as well. I was aware of a number of brothers who were going there. I used to wonder how come people in the assembly were so free about visiting the BI bookstore when going to any "other" *Christian bookstore was against the rules. (* I don't consider the BI bookstore to be Christian) Many of the "approved books" on the assembly bookshelf came from the BI Federation.

The Filipino brother who bought this particular book was taken there by the brothers from Geelong who were sponsering his visit.

Brett went there a few times and saw some of the literature that was used in the assembly as well as a lot of anti Jewish stuff including Protocols of the Elders of Zion. (an infamous book preached by Hitler and now by terrorist organizations like Hamas, Al Qaida, Islamic Jihad and others which I have mentioned on numerous threads already) It seemed obvious to me that Protocols and other antisemitic literature came into the GRC via the BI organization.

Because of my frequent mention of Protocols on this forum I was recently sent another BI book by someone which makes dozens of references to Protocols. If anyone is interested I could also post some of that here.

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Re:The Royal House of Britain... the mythology - Brett

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Assuming, as you say,   that the ten tribes were not lost at the time of Paul's writings, where were they at that time, and where did they  finally end up?


In the late first century Josephus stated that the ten tribes were "beyond Euphrates". Simply stated that meant Babylonia. After the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and after the Bar Kochba incidents of 132 C.E. Babylon remained the centre of Jewish activity for 1000 years.


In the GRC we often heard about the prophecies of Israel and Judah becoming "one stick" in the hand of the Lord from Ezekiel  37:19  Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. This was wrongly applied to the British. It was fulfilled in history when the distinction between Israel and Judah disappeared.


Isaiah 48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, [but] not in truth, nor in righteousness 2. For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts [is] his name.


This verse also makes it clear that the nation called Israel was actually of the bloodline of Judah. Which nation is called Israel. Not the Anglo-saxons. They call themselves of the holy city - they are Zionists.

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