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Just psyching myself up for sitting through another day of boredom...You know what really pisses me off...?The way "Pastor" Roland always adds 'uh' to the end of words, i.e. "Lorduh" or "Spirituh"I think its meant to be his more spiritual sounding voice. The way Jeremy says "um uh," after every second word.The fact there is a baby boom going on, probably because they are all just trying to keep with the trend.It's always the same people who help out in the kitchen, when everyone is supposed to be so loving and caring and wanting to help.And more which I can't think of right now.I laugh on the inside...When two people try to speak in tongues at once...When they make themselves sound superior to other churches...When a fuss is made about Facebook and having "backsliding" friends...I think that's it for now.Feel free to add your own thoughts.Anonymous.
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Tracey,
Still completely fixated with me, I see

Goose.

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THE PERSON THAT STARTED THIS THREAD SHOULD JUST LEAVE THE CHURCH... STOP CAUSING TROUBLE IN MELBOURNE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVE IN DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IM SURE MELBOURNE IS A GREAT CHURCH AS ARE ALL TRF. IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH US AND THE BIBLE, WE ARE NOT COMPELLING YOU, LEAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE FREE TO DO SO. YOU MAY BE FAKE TO THOSE IN THE FELLOWSHIP BUT REMEMBER, YOUR JUDGE, THE LORD, WILL BE THE ONE YOU ANSWER TO. THAT IS, IF YOU STILL BELIEVE IN GOD.
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 Oi Guest,

Turn down the CAPITALS, you're hurting my eyes!

"Great church, as are all TRF?" - Turn down the idiocy a tad while you're there.
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Hi, Guest.

THE PERSON THAT STARTED THIS THREAD SHOULD JUST LEAVE THE CHURCH.

I'm sure the person probably will, but s/he won't be leaving anything resembling a Christian church, s/he will be leaving a non-Christian sect.

STOP CAUSING TROUBLE IN MELBOURNE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVE IN DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

How can one person airing his/her views on your group, here, cause it trouble? Are things so tenuous in the MRF? As for why s/he is commenting on the MRF, here, perhaps it has to do with seeking justice?

IM SURE MELBOURNE IS A GREAT CHURCH AS ARE ALL TRF.

And I'm sure the moon is made of green cheese and life is all rainbows and pixie dust. Maybe ...

IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH US AND THE BIBLE, WE ARE NOT COMPELLING YOU, LEAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE FREE TO DO SO.

Perhaps our unnamed correspondent disagrees with your group because s/he's decided to take the Bible seriously? For what it's worth it's been my experience that when people start to put their trust in Scripture rather than in tenuous so-called 'spiritual experiences', the disconnect between Revivalism and biblical Christianity becomes more obvious to them. But I find it somewhat troubling that you're happy enough for the person to leave the MRF, with all that entails according to your belief system, but you're concerned that s/he has raised a grievance with your denomination?! That's a little off-centre a set of values, don't you think?

YOU MAY BE FAKE TO THOSE IN THE FELLOWSHIP BUT REMEMBER, YOUR JUDGE, THE LORD, WILL BE THE ONE YOU ANSWER TO.

'Yes', and YOU might care to ponder the implications of this future reality, yourself.

THAT IS, IF YOU STILL BELIEVE IN GOD.

It just might be possible that his/her belief in God is what has triggered the 'disbelief' in the MRF.

Anyway ...

Ian

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Not even slightly Ian. You are about as interesting as watching paint dry. You have turned this forum into the second most boring place on earth, the first being a revival sunday meeting.

What I am fascinated though is those who think the sun shines out of your bum, in probably just the same way they thought their revival centre pastor's did, and for probably all the same reasons. Interesting stuff.

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Tracey,

You are about as interesting as watching paint dry.

I agree. But the question that others may find themselves pondering is, am I more Renoir or Monet? You, on the other hand, lean definitely towards Jackson Pollock.

You have turned this forum into the second most boring place on earth, the first being a revival sunday meeting.

Hallelujah! I'd hate to think that this quaint little forum was more boring than a Revivalist Sunday meeting!

What I am fascinated though is those who think the sun shines out of your bum, in probably just the same way they thought their revival centre pastor's did, and for probably all the same reasons.

I wouldn't know given that my opinion on the matter would hardly be objective, eh?

Interesting stuff.

Really?! You just devoted sixty-nine words telling me how boring it all is! Now as much fun as this has been for me, please let me remind you that you are not welcome here. Consequently, consider this to be a formal notification advising you to "cease-and-desist".

Goose.

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 Please, don't feed the 'trolls', or the 'Traceys'.

Tracey, I'll second the 'cease-and-desist' request and ask you again to refrain from posting altogether. I'd rather a boring forum than a hi-jacked one for you to flood once again with your 'I hate Ian' spiels.

Some posts have been deleted, but I left the last one because I thought Ian's reply was rather funny.
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Hi, Guest.

THE PERSON THAT STARTED THIS THREAD SHOULD JUST LEAVE THE CHURCH.

I'm sure the person probably will, but s/he won't be leaving anything resembling a Christian church, s/he will be leaving a non-Christian sect.

STOP CAUSING TROUBLE IN MELBOURNE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVE IN DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

How can one person airing his/her views on your group, here, cause it trouble? Are things so tenuous in the MRF? As for why s/he is commenting on the MRF, here, perhaps it has to do with seeking justice?

IM SURE MELBOURNE IS A GREAT CHURCH AS ARE ALL TRF.

And I'm sure the moon is made of green cheese and life is all rainbows and pixie dust. Maybe ...

IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH US AND THE BIBLE, WE ARE NOT COMPELLING YOU, LEAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE FREE TO DO SO.

Perhaps our unnamed correspondent disagrees with your group because s/he's decided to take the Bible seriously? For what it's worth it's been my experience that when people start to put their trust in Scripture rather than in tenuous so-called 'spiritual experiences', the disconnect between Revivalism and biblical Christianity becomes more obvious to them. But I find it somewhat troubling that you're happy enough for the person to leave the MRF, with all that entails according to your belief system, but you're concerned that s/he has raised a grievance with your denomination?! That's a little off-centre a set of values, don't you think?

YOU MAY BE FAKE TO THOSE IN THE FELLOWSHIP BUT REMEMBER, YOUR JUDGE, THE LORD, WILL BE THE ONE YOU ANSWER TO.

'Yes', and YOU might care to ponder the implications of this future reality, yourself.

THAT IS, IF YOU STILL BELIEVE IN GOD.

It just might be possible that his/her belief in God is what has triggered the 'disbelief' in the MRF.

Anyway ...

Ian


Original Anonymous here.

Ian's reply pretty much sums it up. I'm sure he's seen it before with others, and no doubt will see it many more times in the future.


For the  people who ask 'why don't you just leave?', unfortunately it's not that easy, but if it were, I would be long gone.

As the Saturday "activity", it will be a "Myth Busters" presentation... It saddens me that they won't be busting the right myths...

Also, "pastor" Chris is the most self inflated, ignorant jackass who doesn't deserve the privilege wasting everyones time by talking whenever he gets the chance.

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Hi Original Guest,

What kind of things are keeping you, family? husband, wife? friends? Listen, God has a plan for you! You just need to pray and have faith that he will deliver you to the truth and light that I see in the church. Please, rather then looking at people (where you will see fault) look to the lord.

Might I ask, Do you believe in God? If yes, then know that he will always be with you... and he will never leave you. When you feel down, depressed, angry at people in the church, angry at pastors, angry at yourself even, remember, prayer, if you give it a shot is the best thing for it. It will deliver you, and trust me please, God does answer prayer. Look to the healings, testamonies of change and deliverance, God is present and can heal you. Maybe you don't believe in Healing, or even God. All I can say to you is look to the people who ARE around you, the love that they have for you. I pray that you come to the light that I know in the fellowship. Please understand, people in the TRF are only doing what they think is right, they follow the bible, and act on what they see. Dont Judge them, let them judge themselves, and finaly the Lord. Who ever you are, remember, God has a plan for you. Though you may think people don't want you there or are mean to you, or ignor you even, there are people that love you, only wanting the best for you. Please, if you do anything after reading this, Pray that the lord shows you the way unto your salvation, your happiness, your life.

Also, before I go, remember not only do you have the Lord to talk to, but also your brothers and sisters...you may feel that SOME don't want you, but you will always find someone that cares. Just take a good look around.

Good Luck and God Bless

Anonymous (but a friend in christ)
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To Anonymous (TRF person).

There's a simple quip which sums up matters in the TRF rather succinctly: "blind guys and ditches". To promote Revivalism as you've done is to promote heresy. It's to champion what Paul referred to in his letter to the Galatian church as 'another gospel'. Not good, my friend.

I'd suggest that it's past time that you started reading Scripture sans the skewed RF presuppositions. In doing so you stand a far better chance of properly perceiving what it teaches about God, Christ and the means of salvation.

Repent.

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To Anonymous RFer,

You ask "Do you believe in God?" and you say "Maytbe you don't believe in healings or even God" in your words to Original Guest.

Asking this question of someone in your church would have to raise serious questions relating to the type of teaching from within.

"Look to the healings, testamonies of change and deliverance....."

Rivivalist groups do not have a monopoly on healings etc.  There are just as many (often more) healings in other churches (not promoted as proof like Revival groups do) and believe it or not there are wonderful testamonies of change and deliverance to be found among those outside of Revivalism. 

Whether RFers like it or not their origins are RCI and they still follow the Lloydian doctrine of tongues as proof of salvation as compared with understanding of the love, mercy and grace of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit.  The ex serviceman, Lloyd, with no Christian background as such, but with a fascination for prophesy from serving in the mid east, a strong and dogmatic personality began his own church to suit his own ideas.  He discarded and pooh poohed the work of far greater minds who devoted far greater time, whole lives, to the study of scripture for others to carry on the work of Jesus Christ as sound teachers, apostles, evangelists etc.

Who would place their person in the hands of someone unqualified in medicine.  Same applies to the soul. 

God Bless you Anonymous RFer.

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Original Anonymous again.


To Darryl,

I'm touched that you dedicated an entire Sunday talk to me. You mentioned that we aren't meant to follow doctrine invented by man. How then do you justify following the doctrine invented by Longfield? That's hypocrisy at its finest.

Perhaps you can do a talk next week explaining why you take scripture out of context, and why you're so bent on leading people astray.


Anonymous


PS. It wasn't coming to this site that sparked my initial disbelief in your dogma, but actually reading the scriptures as they are, in correct context. Not by jumping to and fro from book to book and verse to verse, trying to make a point.

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To those supporting me,

Yes I do believe in God and in His Word. I was brought up "in the Lord", (as you hear so often in the RF), but that's the problem with being brought up with anything; you don't know any different.

But by reading His Word I've come to understand the error of what is being taught, and to find encouragement that there is still hope.

Thank you for your encouragement.


Regards,

Anonymous
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Original Anonymous again.


To Darryl,

I'm touched that you dedicated an entire Sunday talk to me. You mentioned that we aren't meant to follow doctrine invented by man. How then do you justify following the doctrine invented by Longfield? That's hypocrisy at its finest.

Perhaps you can do a talk next week explaining why you take scripture out of context, and why you're so bent on leading people astray.


Anonymous


PS. It wasn't coming to this site that sparked my initial disbelief in your dogma, but actually reading the scriptures as they are, in correct context. Not by jumping to and fro from book to book and verse to verse, trying to make a point.

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To those supporting me,

Yes I do believe in God and in His Word. I was brought up "in the Lord", (as you hear so often in the RF), but that's the problem with being brought up with anything; you don't know any different.

But by reading His Word I've come to understand the error of what is being taught, and to find encouragement that there is still hope.

Thank you for your encouragement.


Regards,

Anonymous

Just wondering Original Anonymous.

Why do you still attend a group you clearly do not support?

It just seems to be destructive to others and yourself. What is the profit?

You said earlier that its not that simple, but  maybe you should be open and honest that you do not support the MRF and stop going.

Yes leaving may cause some issues with family and friends, but surely its the lesser of two evils????

mj


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Lord
You reached into my life
A light in a very dark place
Love beyond comprehension
Purity beauty and light
Nothing compares
Complete clarity nothing lacking
 
Come with us  -  everything to lose nothing to gain
We have the light, have the way
Too soon the cracks appeared
Nothing new there just men being men
 
Took the light and love and twisted it
Wrenched it from my grasp
I could not see them for the liars they were
Wanted to believe the best of every person……
 
Now I know that when he appears before me
Only then will I trust it is truly Him
These others all pretenders, fakes, liars
Men cannot be trusted
Time shows us this, time after time
 
What we can trust in is that men will always lie
Always strut, always preen, always tear down
Take whatever is pure and true and beautiful
And turn it into something much much less
Shame
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Shame?! Is it really as bad as all that?

Scripture teaches that Christ came to redeem humankind, which includes men, by the way. Given the one-way tone and tenor of your latest piece, perhaps you should look inwards a little more thoroughly, and review what's taken place there before you go casting blame outwards as if you were completely faultless in the matter?

A 'pearl' given to you, for free.

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Shame,

I remember learning about a time way back in history when men hit women over the heads and dragged them back to their cave. Women have come a long way since.

If men are to be blamed for everything, then women need to start at the beginning and explain Adam and Eve.


RH

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Thanks for the tip. judging from your motto at the bottom of your posts I have to ask. Do you believe tongues to be fake?

mj

Hey Mr_Jingles

I'm trying to get time to answer this question properly, and will soon.

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Shame,

I remember learning about a time way back in history when men hit women over the heads and dragged them back to their cave. Women have come a long way since.

If men are to be blamed for everything, then women need to start at the beginning and explain Adam and Eve.


RH


Men is the generic term for humans, not a gender specific finger pointing.
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Men is the generic term for humans, not a gender specific finger pointing.

 

My comment was in the context of how the poem was written (men), not in context of scripture (human kind).

 

RH




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Men is the generic term for humans, not a gender specific finger pointing.

 

My comment was in the context of how the poem was written (men), not in context of scripture (human kind).

 

RH





The problem as I see it, or at least one aspect of it; is that these HUMANS try to assume the role of the Holy Spirit in so far that they think that conformity to God's will is a function of obedience to their directives.

What they (the Pastors) fail to realise is that they are activly offering an alternative methodology to the Gospel of Jesus and therefore replace the (INTENDED) Spirit driven change from natural to spiritual with the old HUMAN substitute called coercement under threat of punishment.

This is a form of Anti-Christ in as much as it is an active replacement for the work of the Holy Spirit in a given individual.

To DW, CJ & RR I would caution to think long and hard about the true role of a shepherd.

(Though I doubt they would listen)

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Original Anonymous again.


To Darryl,

I'm touched that you dedicated an entire Sunday talk to me. You mentioned that we aren't meant to follow doctrine invented by man. How then do you justify following the doctrine invented by Longfield? That's hypocrisy at its finest.

Perhaps you can do a talk next week explaining why you take scripture out of context, and why you're so bent on leading people astray.


Anonymous


PS. It wasn't coming to this site that sparked my initial disbelief in your dogma, but actually reading the scriptures as they are, in correct context. Not by jumping to and fro from book to book and verse to verse, trying to make a point.

------------

To those supporting me,

Yes I do believe in God and in His Word. I was brought up "in the Lord", (as you hear so often in the RF), but that's the problem with being brought up with anything; you don't know any different.

But by reading His Word I've come to understand the error of what is being taught, and to find encouragement that there is still hope.

Thank you for your encouragement.


Regards,

Anonymous
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Original Anonymous again.


To Darryl,

I'm touched that you dedicated an entire Sunday talk to me. You mentioned that we aren't meant to follow doctrine invented by man. How then do you justify following the doctrine invented by Longfield? That's hypocrisy at its finest.

Perhaps you can do a talk next week explaining why you take scripture out of context, and why you're so bent on leading people astray.


Anonymous


PS. It wasn't coming to this site that sparked my initial disbelief in your dogma, but actually reading the scriptures as they are, in correct context. Not by jumping to and fro from book to book and verse to verse, trying to make a point.

------------

To those supporting me,

Yes I do believe in God and in His Word. I was brought up "in the Lord", (as you hear so often in the RF), but that's the problem with being brought up with anything; you don't know any different.

But by reading His Word I've come to understand the error of what is being taught, and to find encouragement that there is still hope.

Thank you for your encouragement.


Regards,

Anonymous

Hi anon,

I have just made the transition from RF to another church.  Yes we baptise people and tell them to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,  to be born again as in RF.  There are many more aspects of the Holy Ghost and God which is not studied in the RF.

Reading the bible for myself and taking into account context and generally applying my brain like we do for all other things, has helped me grow spiritually.  In fact I am stronger in God more so than in RF.

I could go on forever, but here are some example issues to think about;

  •     Tithing.  The congregation is not taught correctly on this issue.  Investigate it and lose the 10% guilt trip.  I am sure that what Jesus did was good enough, without our 10%.
  •     Fornication.  Was there more than one 'fornicator' in the Corinthian church?  Were they all put out?  Why was the man in 1 Cor. 5 put out?  Should people get married after 'fornicating'?  Does it matter is someone is repentant or not?  What does the bible say on all this?
  •     Divorce.  Some divorcees are not allowed back.  What does the bible say about this?
  •     Raising hands and praising God?  Disorderly?  (what ever that is, btw)I raise my hands from time to time and I get the same joy running over me as I did in revival.
  • Can you go to another church?  Were the people of Ephesus or Galatians confined to those local groups only?

Like you have been doing, read the bible and know who you are in Christ.  In my mind the things that does the most damage is the whole scripture out of context thing, applying modern definitions to words written 1500+ years ago, not to mention pulling a scripture from here and there and then making a doctrine of it.

When my family quote scripture( they're in RF) they quote them completely disregarding context, without even knowing they are doing it.  They pull a scripture from here, there and everywhere without even understanding the books they're coming from.  But that's what they've been taught.

The whole practice breeds an extremely warped paradigm.  It makes you live a fearful life.  Yes the Lord works there, as you have seen, but he also works in RCI where they boot 'fornicators' for good, so the fact that the Lord works there is not exactly the best measuring stick is it. I've seen him work where there are women preachers for example.  I don't agree with women preachers (at this stage anyway) but I can't deny that I've seen the Lord work where women preach.

Can you go around baptizing people?  Can you mention in your testimony that you saw a vision in a dream or that you cast out a demon from someone?  What does the bible say on all this?

Take this passage from Eph 4

Ephesians 4

 1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, RF don't understand versus 4 and 5.

 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

 8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

 9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Where are the prophets in RF?  Who are the apostles?  This is not talking about the voice gifts, look at the context.

 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Hence the benefit of knowing what the bible says, so people with warped agendas cannot tear you down.


Like the art of war, "If you know the enemy, you won't fear the results of a hundred battles" 

I wish you well, brother or sister in Christ.  In fact, if you are struggling in RF you could always start your own!  YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. 

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Geez!

I have just made the transition from RF to another church.  Yes we baptise people and tell them to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,  to be born again as in RF.  There are many more aspects of the Holy Ghost and God which is not studied in the RF ...

I wish you well, brother or sister in Christ.  In fact, if you are struggling in RF you could always start your own!  YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. 


Given this last piece of probably-well-intended-but-thoroughly-ignorant-really-bad-advice, I don't know whether to laugh or cry! So I guess I'll have to settle for the via-media: "Ughhhhh" ....

Spiritually sick people ought not to be dispensing spiritual guidance. If you actually believe the malarky that you've posted, then clearly you're just as deluded outside of the RF as you were inside it!

Repent.

Ian

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Geez!

I have just made the transition from RF to another church.  Yes we baptise people and tell them to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,  to be born again as in RF.  There are many more aspects of the Holy Ghost and God which is not studied in the RF ...

I wish you well, brother or sister in Christ.  In fact, if you are struggling in RF you could always start your own!  YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. 


Given this last piece of probably-well-intended-but-thoroughly-ignorant-really-bad-advice, I don't know whether to laugh or cry! So I guess I'll have to settle for the via-media: "Ughhhhh" ....

Spiritually sick people ought not to be dispensing spiritual guidance. If you actually believe the malarky that you've posted, then clearly you're just as deluded outside of the RF as you were inside it!

Repent.

Ian


Hi Ian,

Your response was exactly as I expected! Right on time as well.  

I have appreciated your input on certain bible topics in the past, but I would say YOU need to repent.

In all honesty you remind me of Jude 1, and also the parable in Mathew 12:43-45. 

I doubt if I will respond to your next post, just a heads up so you don't waste time posting. 

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There you go.

Your response was exactly as I expected! Right on time as well.  

Indeed. Just as "night follows day", so too do I respond to heresy. I consider it to be a calling, you might like to think of it more as a 'gift'.
I have appreciated your input on certain bible topics in the past, but I would say YOU need to repent.
'Yes', no doubt, but I'd wager you've only appreciated my input on those topics that didn't conflict with your silly Pente nonsense. Anyway, demonstrate for me that your beliefs concerning the "baptism of the Holy Ghost" are biblical, and I promise you this: I WILL repent! In "sackcloth and ashes", no less. But if you can't, then you should probably take the time to actually reflect and consider the substance of what I share concerning biblical teaching.
In all honesty you remind me of Jude 1, and also the parable in Mathew 12:43-45.
I'm sure I do. But given that you're clearly not very good at "rightly dividing the Word of Truth", I doubt that I should worry myself too much over your assessments. You, on the other hand, should worry yourself aplenty. At least you should if you have any common sense and/or a desire to square your beliefs with what Scripture actually teaches.
I doubt if I will respond to your next post, just a heads up so you don't waste time posting.
Given that I don't view pushing people back from the edge of the abyss (metaphorically speaking) to be a waste of my time, I'll be content whether you respond to me or not. If you choose to turn from your deep-seated Revivalist fictions, then 'great'! If you choose not to, well, your blood will be upon your head. Your choice affects my eternity not one jot, so 'knock yourself out' either way.

Repent, it really is the only option available to you.

Ian


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Original Anonymous again.

To Darryl,

I'm touched that you dedicated an entire Sunday talk to me. You mentioned that we aren't meant to follow doctrine invented by man. How then do you justify following the doctrine invented by Longfield? That's hypocrisy at its finest.

Perhaps you can do a talk next week explaining why you take scripture out of context, and why you're so bent on leading people astray.

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To those supporting me,

Yes I do believe in God and in His Word. I was brought up "in the Lord", (as you hear so often in the RF), but that's the problem with being brought up with anything; you don't know any different.

 


To Original Anonymous,

Quite something coming from the authoritarian, legalistic leadership of this Lloyd appointee of dogmatic tunnel vision.  A character remembered for bullying tactics to get his own way, who manipulates and controls, who is arrogant and opinionated and not to be trusted.  He has got away with too much for too long by sheer forcefulness.

Those in Revivalism of course would know no different and those who enter freely into the bondage of Revivalism allow themselves to be dominated by such as he - unless they break away disregarding the backlash.  Only then can one discover true men of God, followers of Jesus.   Comparing these properly trained and ordained ministers and teachers would show up Revivalist so calleds as not even to be considered a pastor's  bootlace.

I wonder if this man who leads MRF has ever properly considered Jesus words  "Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart" in Matthew 11 : 29.

I am truly grateful to somehow have broken loose from all of that  prerequisite for salvation and Revival entry stuff.  I can now bask in the knowledge of the mercy, goodness and grace of God.

EV

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Are 'tongues' fake?
 
Are they a manifestation of miraculous moanings through the mouth's member that is usually meant for the manipulation of food mastication and phonetic articulation? Meh, no, it's just mental man-made mumbo jumbo, and is the result of major misinterpretation and ironically mistranslation of ancient languages. Maybe that's too much alliteration? To Mr Jingles, of the MRF thread, by Moth.
 
I think it's a relatively simple 'trick' that anyone can replicate. I know it's a practice that has been around for a long time before Christianity. I know that the instance written in Acts 2:38 is completely different to the one that Revivalist hold near and dear and testify to. I know there are 'some' urban myths that Revivalist like to use to convince others that 'some' foreigners have understood part of the ecstatic speeches verbalised in glossalalia sessions. I know that no reference of it was given in Paul's conversion story and that none of the others can be verified to be anything like the gibberish 'evidence' that Revivalists and other Christians say 'proves' that they have the spirit of God in them.
 
As a once dedicated Revivalist with 17 years of experience in the sect, and having much of that time being a member of the 'oversight', I witnessed nothing amazing or marvelous about the tongues experiences. I did see and hear lots of coaching, mimicking, and people convincing themselves that the tongues speaking nonsense was supernaturally and scripturally correct, while crazy... but that's okay, because 'they' Revivalist Christians are supposed to be an 'unusual' people.
 
 
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Hiya, Pete.

A correction, if I may? I know that the instance written in Acts 2:38 is completely different to the one that Revivalist hold near and dear and testify to. Acts 2:38 doesn't mention, allude to or describe "tongues" of any kind. What I think you meant to refer to was the biblical miracle of languages recorded in Acts 2:4. This manifestation, of course, has nothing to do with the common, wholly unmiraculous and thoroughly coached experience of Revivalist gibberish.

Blessings,

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Heya, thanks for clarifying!

"Your response was exactly as I expected! Right on time as well." 

Pffft... Go Sherlock.


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Hiya, Pete.

A correction, if I may? I know that the instance written in Acts 2:38 is completely different to the one that Revivalist hold near and dear and testify to. Acts 2:38 doesn't mention, allude to or describe "tongues" of any kind. What I think you meant to refer to was the biblical miracle of languages recorded in Acts 2:4. This manifestation, of course, has nothing to do with the common, wholly unmiraculous and thoroughly coached experience of Revivalist gibberish.

Blessings,

Ian


That's indeed correct !!  smiley20

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Whilst Acts 2:28 doesn’t mirror Acts 2:4 etc, it does reflect the error the position Revivalists hold regarding receiving the Holy Spirit and “speaking in tongues.” Their whole perception on speaking in tongues is absolute nonsense and clouds the true message of Grace and salvation.

 

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Hiya, Pete.

A correction, if I may? I know that the instance written in Acts 2:38 is completely different to the one that Revivalist hold near and dear and testify to. Acts 2:38 doesn't mention, allude to or describe "tongues" of any kind. What I think you meant to refer to was the biblical miracle of languages recorded in Acts 2:4. This manifestation, of course, has nothing to do with the common, wholly unmiraculous and thoroughly coached experience of Revivalist gibberish.

Blessings,

Ian


That's indeed correct !!  smiley20

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Yes, correct indeed, but Revivalists still dazzle and mislead the unwary with their authoritative preaching, witnessing, their continual reinforcing of doctrine and their crafty use of phrases such as "with the bible evidence of speaking in tongues" and their cross referencing as proof of truth, according to them.  Mark 16 : 17 - 20 certainly supplied them with a few useful phrases such as "signs following" which principally to them means God "confirming his word" of salvation as evidenced by tongues.  Some signs in Mark 16 they completely disregard as they do the languages at Pentecost and the lack of actual reference to tongues in Acts 2 : 38 - there are always other verses to skip to to prove their point. 

I wonder if they actually know what they are doing to God's word with their out of context preaching.  Highjacking I'd call it.

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Haven't heard much lately from Original Anonymous.  Has there been severe warnings against posting opinions here or maybe a threat of a good weeding out of culprit/s.

Gee, your pastors are becoming quite the jetsetters lately.  Must be dipping into well filled coffers.  Of course no-one would know the state of the financial affairs as it has always been tightly controlled by the leader.  Just to keep giving is all that's required of the flock.

Anyway heard in Vic that the leader of MRF has just jetted off to America being overseer of the assemblies there and of one in Canada. I'm quite shocked at the choice Mr. Kuhlman. A man known for his bluster and bully as RF overseer to American and Canadian assemblies, especially as people in these countries are generally very polite.   Oh well, let's hope he behaves himself and doesn't become carried away in his talks with unsuitable wisecracks and put downs.  Perhaps he's been well advised to confine himself to the butterflies, glow worms etc of evolution talks.  Hopefully though not as long winded and tedious as I remember them being.

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