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Here you go guys, a whole new thread dedicated to the two of you.
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Hi, Glad.

'A' moderator, not 'the' Moderator.

Blessings,

Ian

Not that it makes any difference, some people always have their nose in the trough no matter what they are involved in.

Never ceases to amuse me how well you people think you know a person you only meet on an internet forum. You will make your judgements like the sheep you are, and continue to allow orthodoxies of all kinds to blind you to what is in front of your face.

Softness Glad? There is no room for softness when dealing with the wolves of this world. They delight in chewing up and spitting out people because that is what makes them feel good, the power. I'm sure you know more than one person who has had their lives destroyed by a church or three, it is not an uncommon thing.

Where do you think all the destroyed people go? Do you even care?



 

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Tracey,

Take your bitterness, spite and venom elsewhere. This forum isn't about you, or your socalisation and personality issues; it exists to provide a response to Revivalism, and to those hurt by it.

Goose.

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Softness Glad? There is no room for softness when dealing with the wolves of this world. They delight in chewing up and spitting out people because that is what makes them feel good, the power. I'm sure you know more than one person who has had their lives destroyed by a church or three, it is not an uncommon thing.

Where do you think all the destroyed people go? Do you even care?



If you are asking me personally if I care about the people that have been destroyed by sects, cults and even main stream churches, then the answer is a resounding YES.

I do know a lot of people who have had their lives destroyed, myself included for a few years.

Why do you think I have spent so much time on this Forum (not so much of late) trying to inform and offer words of encouragement. It is NOT because I DON'T have a life, it is because I have FOUND a wonderful life OUTSIDE the confines of a soul destroying sect.

I had hoped that by writing in 'down to earth' terms that it might give people an insight into the fact that you can leave and MOVE ON, something that you obviously can't do Galien.

You really are tiresome at times.

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Softness Glad? There is no room for softness when dealing with the wolves of this world. They delight in chewing up and spitting out people because that is what makes them feel good, the power. I'm sure you know more than one person who has had their lives destroyed by a church or three, it is not an uncommon thing.

Where do you think all the destroyed people go? Do you even care?



If you are asking me personally if I care about the people that have been destroyed by sects, cults and even main stream churches, then the answer is a resounding YES.

I do know a lot of people who have had their lives destroyed, myself included for a few years.

Why do you think I have spent so much time on this Forum (not so much of late) trying to inform and offer words of encouragement. It is NOT because I DON'T have a life, it is because I have FOUND a wonderful life OUTSIDE the confines of a soul destroying sect.

I had hoped that by writing in 'down to earth' terms that it might give people an insight into the fact that you can leave and MOVE ON, something that you obviously can't do Galien.

You really are tiresome at times.

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Traditionally on this site you have shown yourself to be a caring person. Don't assume though that everyone who leaves revival can go on to find a wonderful life, and that it is in some way their fault if they cannot be a middle class clone for whom life is a bed of roses (and no, I am not accusing you of that). Life is a lot messier than that. neither does it suit all of us to dive into the study of theology.

I guess for me the kicker is always that people pretend the church is perfect and it drives me nuts. Remember it wasn't that long ago that the bible (orthodoxy) was used to justify slavery, poverty and misogyny. In the past it has been used to justify all manner of evil including ian's "sanctioned" killings. I will always be gobsmacked by the church's lack of honesty regarding its own behaviour, coupled with its unhealthy desire to question the behaviour of others.

Im sorry if you find me tiresome glad, but I find equally tiresome the lack of honesty on this site. Revival was not just about faulty theology, it was about human nature and abusive power systesms, which exist in every religion. Ignore that fact at your peril.
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Anyone who says that the people in the past or present in the Christian Church are perfect are off the planet, but to be honest I haven't thought anyone on this site believes anything like that to be the case. The Presbyterian Church I attend is not perfect, nor are those that attend, myself certainly included! But the doctrine is sound, and most of those who attend our church are kind and decent people, and even athiests in our town agreee with this. In the past and present people have misused or not understood the Word of God and done some bad things, that is all the more reason we need to get people to see the truth about places like the GRC and its cousins RCI etc..and although you hate Ian he has done some great work in researching and making available information to show those stuck in the fake Christian revival organisations the truth and meaning of Scripture.
From an outsiders point of view Glad strikes me as intellegent and caring from her posts and messeges she has sent me. Your agression and in the past sexist comments have not made you very popular on here. We all know how you feel about Ian and you dont gain anything by your lengthy attacks on him, nor earn yourself any credability. Also your attacks on Christians when in the past on here,you claimed to be one are also not making you appear to be someone to take seriously. I have been hurt by angry, agressive and bigotted people more than any religious people of any belief system and that is something I will not ignore or it may well be at my peril.
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Anyone who says that the people in the past or present in the Christian Church are perfect are off the planet, but to be honest I haven't thought anyone on this site believes anything like that to be the case.

Ian believes it.

 The Presbyterian Church I attend is not perfect, nor are those that attend, myself certainly included! But the doctrine is sound, and most of those who attend our church are kind and decent people, and even athiests in our town agreee with this.

I am glad youhave found a place that spiritually feeds you.

In the past and present people have misused or not understood the Word of God and done some bad things, that is all the more reason we need to get people to see the truth about places like the GRC and its cousins RCI etc..and although you hate Ian he has done some great work in researching and making available information to show those stuck in the fake Christian revival organisations the truth and meaning of Scripture.

I don't hate Ian, I just dislike bullies and abusers, and those who believe one can be a credible chirstian without humility.

From an outsiders point of view Glad strikes me as intellegent and caring from her posts and messeges she has sent me.

Agreed.

Your agression and in the past sexist comments have not made you very popular on here. We all know how you feel about Ian and you dont gain anything by your lengthy attacks on him, nor earn yourself any credability.

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since I stopped caring about what passes for"credibility". Ian chooses to be a dictator, he should expect everything he gets. Neither am I concerned with being popular. Ian does and says things that bring shame to the name of christ, and as I have mentioned before, you all just say nothing. Fine, that was how it worked in revival too. I tried to point out to the pastor the whole nine years I was in that he was an unloving pig, but he didn't care, they never do. They always think that because they are in charge they must be right, and so do their silly followers. You don't really think I believe anything I say to Ian will make any difference do you?

Also your attacks on Christians when in the past on here, you claimed to be one are also not making you appear to be someone to take seriously. I have been hurt by angry, agressive and bigotted people more than any religious people of any belief system and that is something I will not ignore or it may well be at my peril.

I am quite placid until provoked by those who wish to bend me to their way of seeing the world. I am no longer a christian, largely due to Ian's kind ministrations. He did not rob my of my faith, but is just another in a long line of those who name themselves by the name of christ but do not practice humility. You don't really expect me to take them seriously if they cannot even get that right do you?

I am in touch with quite a few christians of thirty years or more duration who have walked away from the church because like me, they are tired of its dishonesty. Many have been leaders in their churches, but are tired of the lack of depth. You can decide I am a pest or a crank or embittered or whatever, but I am not the only person who feels this way.


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Galien,

I vote for 'pest'. Oh, and 'crank'. Darn! And 'embittered'.

Goose.

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Traditionally on this site you have shown yourself to be a caring person. Don't assume though that everyone who leaves revival can go on to find a wonderful life, and that it is in some way their fault if they cannot be a middle class clone for whom life is a bed of roses (and no, I am not accusing you of that). Life is a lot messier than that. neither does it suit all of us to dive into the study of theology.

I guess for me the kicker is always that people pretend the church is perfect and it drives me nuts. Remember it wasn't that long ago that the bible (orthodoxy) was used to justify slavery, poverty and misogyny. In the past it has been used to justify all manner of evil including ian's "sanctioned" killings. I will always be gobsmacked by the church's lack of honesty regarding its own behaviour, coupled with its unhealthy desire to question the behaviour of others.

Im sorry if you find me tiresome glad, but I find equally tiresome the lack of honesty on this site. Revival was not just about faulty theology, it was about human nature and abusive power systesms, which exist in every religion. Ignore that fact at your peril.

Hi Galien,

I don't think that I have ever mentioned scripture, nor have I suggested or endorsed any particular religion other than to say main-stream would be a better alternative than the sects of GRC, RCI etc.

I appreciate Ian's educated interpretation of Scripture because it is 'an educated' view.

I KNOW life sucks at times, but I also believe that it is absolutely what we make it.

It took me YEARS to move on and get over the disillusionment that I had been lied to as far as a belief system goes and that people were my friends purely because we were part of the same toxic group. AND don't mention family!!! 

I will be blunt and say that Ian gave me the shits for a few years, but then I started to see that because of his very nature, he was the right person to be ramming......oops.....stating without fear or favour the educated interpretation of the Scriptures.

I KNOW that you don't agree and probably never will agree, but he was such a change from the ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT IMBECILES who hold such sway over peoples lives in Revival, that I found (I can here you gagging from here) peace in his words and the authority with which he delivers those words.

I believe that we are put here on Earth to make a difference in some way or another, either by enlightening people about Christianity ( I do consider myself to be a Christian), also by doing charitable works (actually rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in) that help people who are not firmly entrenched in the Middle or Upper Classes and not necessarily in Australia. 

This IS NOT just a site for Christians, anyone can air their point of view.

Railing against Ian achieves nothing but getting YOUR blood boiling.
 
I am really sorry that you are angry at everyone and everything.

I wish that you could find peace, not necessarily in religion,...... but just by liking who you are and where you are in your life's journey........

Glad


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Glad,

Poooooh!

Blessings,

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 Ian,

you will have to agree that there is nothing like a backhanded compliment. hahaha

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Hi Galien,

I don't think that I have ever mentioned scripture, nor have I suggested or endorsed any particular religion other than to say main-stream would be a better alternative than the sects of GRC, RCI etc.

I appreciate Ian's educated interpretation of Scripture because it is 'an educated' view.
Meh. academics dont impress me Glad. Humility does. One guy I used to see has a masters degree in politics but is one of the most morally corrupt people I have ever met. Knowledge does not equal wisdom.

I KNOW life sucks at times, but I also believe that it is absolutely what we make it.
Indeed, that is why when I should be in a corner rocking backwards and forwards, I am instead still getting on with it.

It took me YEARS to move on and get over the disillusionment that I had been lied to as far as a belief system goes and that people were my friends purely because we were part of the same toxic group. AND don't mention family!!! 
I was well on my way to recovery until five years ago when I had an experience with human nature that shocked me to my core. It affected me so badly that I will never trust another person in authority again in ANY arena. I already had post traumatic stress before that, but now it is unlikley I will ever entirely recover.

I will be blunt and say that Ian gave me the shits for a few years, but then I started to see that because of his very nature, he was the right person to be ramming......oops.....stating without fear or favour the educated interpretation of the Scriptures.
I'm not interested in the educated interpretation of the scripture, im interested in people who actually live it and they are few and far between. I will also state without fear or favour the things I believe.

I KNOW that you don't agree and probably never will agree, but he was such a change from the ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT IMBECILES who hold such sway over peoples lives in Revival, that I found (I can here you gagging from here) peace in his words and the authority with which he delivers those words.
Sad to say Glad that the pharisees though they were pretty good too. Jesus didn't agree with them. Same reasons. And I don't think anyone who wants to hold sway over the lives of others is particularly emotionally healthy.

I believe that we are put here on Earth to make a difference in some way or another, either by enlightening people about Christianity ( I do consider myself to be a Christian), also by doing charitable works (actually rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in) that help people who are not firmly entrenched in the Middle or Upper Classes and not necessarily in Australia. 
Sounds fair. If it were not for such people I would not have eaten many times as a small child. I have a memory like an elephant Glad, and I notice EVERYTHING. It is also the reason I support the same charity that fed me, so they can feed others.

This IS NOT just a site for Christians, anyone can air their point of view.
And have it cut down by Ian and his sneering derision. How exactly does that help anyone Glad, and how is it different from the way revival members act? Because it is the "real" truth as opposed to the fake one? What about people who have no further interest in religion of any kind? Ian challenges everyone who disagrees with him like they are an idiot of some kind. The "real" truth is also delivered with the same arrogance as revival.

Railing against Ian achieves nothing but getting YOUR blood boiling.
I have the same kind of anger at Ian that I have against the baptist minister that sexually assaulted me when I was 9, the revival centre pastor who emotionally tortured me for 9 years, the church who abandoned me when I needed them most, and someone else who betrayed me in order to cover his own ass, and lied in the process. To all those in positions of authority who care about the status quo and the organisation more than the individual.

Having had an abusive father, I had no decent male role models in life and I replaced them with God and by extension all the men that came to me waving a bible and telling me that I could trust them. They have let me down in the same way my father did. What I learned from jesus as a child is never betray people, don't be an asshole in order to get the groups approval, love the individual and care for him the way god loves us as individuals. Orthodox christianity would have me belileve it is a group deal. Im not buying it so I can have carte blanche to sacrifice and betray those who refuse to conform.  Ian is a dime a dozen, you find versions of him in positions of power everywhere.

I am really sorry that you are angry at everyone and everything.
Not angry at everyone and everything. Angry at the christian church who told me I could trust them. I really expected to find people different from everyone else. I found maybe 1 in 100, and I suspect that has to do with thier character and not their faith.

I wish that you could find peace, not necessarily in religion,...... but just by liking who you are and where you are in your life's journey........
I do like who I am, and I do have a modicum of peace compared to what my life was like before I got away from people who only cared about my conformity and not me. I have had 18 months free of suicidal thoughts for the first time in 35 years. That is largely due to the kind ministrations of my beautiful partner who is the kindest and gentlest man I ever knew. He has no asshole in him whatsoever. If I were still a christian I would suspect that god is restoring to me the years taken by the locust. But I would never admit that in public......





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Hi Galien,

I don't think that I have ever mentioned scripture, nor have I suggested or endorsed any particular religion other than to say main-stream would be a better alternative than the sects of GRC, RCI etc.

I appreciate Ian's educated interpretation of Scripture because it is 'an educated' view.
Meh. academics dont impress me Glad. Humility does. One guy I used to see has a masters degree in politics but is one of the most morally corrupt people I have ever met. Knowledge does not equal wisdom.

If people have only humility and no knowledge, we would still be dragging our knuckles on the ground. Humility probably isn't all it's cracked up to be in this day and age. I can see a lot of thumb prints on foreheads. Knowledge doesn't equal wisdom, but it also doesn't make one less humble or morally corrupt either. 

I KNOW life sucks at times, but I also believe that it is absolutely what we make it.
Indeed, that is why when I should be in a corner rocking backwards and forwards, I am instead still getting on with it.

I am glad that you are moving on.

It took me YEARS to move on and get over the disillusionment that I had been lied to as far as a belief system goes and that people were my friends purely because we were part of the same toxic group. AND don't mention family!!! 
I was well on my way to recovery until five years ago when I had an experience with human nature that shocked me to my core. It affected me so badly that I will never trust another person in authority again in ANY arena. I already had post traumatic stress before that, but now it is unlikley I will ever entirely recover.

Life takes some serious twists and turns at times. I don't think that it is healthy to be too trusting, better to have the radar well and truly up at all times.

I will be blunt and say that Ian gave me the shits for a few years, but then I started to see that because of his very nature, he was the right person to be ramming......oops.....stating without fear or favour the educated interpretation of the Scriptures.
I'm not interested in the educated interpretation of the scripture, im interested in people who actually live it and they are few and far between. I will also state without fear or favour the things I believe.

If you don't know what the Scriptures mean, than you can't really live it. The morons in-charge of GRC etc don't have an inkling what it means. Some of the followers try to live it but it is a defiled view.....therefore the things they hold dear and the rules they try to live by are plain WRONG. An educated interpretation is at least a start in the right direction to living a Christian life, if that is what a person wants.

I KNOW that you don't agree and probably never will agree, but he was such a change from the ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT IMBECILES who hold such sway over peoples lives in Revival, that I found (I can here you gagging from here) peace in his words and the authority with which he delivers those words.
Sad to say Glad that the pharisees though they were pretty good too. Jesus didn't agree with them. Same reasons. And I don't think anyone who wants to hold sway over the lives of others is particularly emotionally healthy.

God held sway over the people of Israel...he gave them rules to live by via Moses. Jesus holds sway over every Christian's life, Allah over every practising Muslims life...... 

I believe that we are put here on Earth to make a difference in some way or another, either by enlightening people about Christianity ( I do consider myself to be a Christian), also by doing charitable works (actually rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in) that help people who are not firmly entrenched in the Middle or Upper Classes and not necessarily in Australia. 
Sounds fair. If it were not for such people I would not have eaten many times as a small child. I have a memory like an elephant Glad, and I notice EVERYTHING. It is also the reason I support the same charity that fed me, so they can feed others.

It's good to give back something to those who have helped us on our way.

This IS NOT just a site for Christians, anyone can air their point of view.
And have it cut down by Ian and his sneering derision. How exactly does that help anyone Glad, and how is it different from the way revival members act? Because it is the "real" truth as opposed to the fake one? What about people who have no further interest in religion of any kind? Ian challenges everyone who disagrees with him like they are an idiot of some kind. The "real" truth is also delivered with the same arrogance as revival.

There are a few on here who have no real interest in religion, they seem to be able to listen and dismiss statements that they don't agree with. Knowledge is empowering....you don't have to take everything on board and carry it with you as a burden, but to KNOW things enriches us and broadens our horizons.  

Railing against Ian achieves nothing but getting YOUR blood boiling.
I have the same kind of anger at Ian that I have against the baptist minister that sexually assaulted me when I was 9, the revival centre pastor who emotionally tortured me for 9 years, the church who abandoned me when I needed them most, and someone else who betrayed me in order to cover his own ass, and lied in the process. To all those in positions of authority who care about the status quo and the organisation more than the individual.

Having had an abusive father, I had no decent male role models in life and I replaced them with God and by extension all the men that came to me waving a bible and telling me that I could trust them. They have let me down in the same way my father did. What I learned from jesus as a child is never betray people, don't be an asshole in order to get the groups approval, love the individual and care for him the way god loves us as individuals. Orthodox christianity would have me belileve it is a group deal. Im not buying it so I can have carte blanche to sacrifice and betray those who refuse to conform.  Ian is a dime a dozen, you find versions of him in positions of power everywhere.

I really am sorry that all the people who should have protected and nurtured you failed you so badly. Life isn't what it seems and isn't what it is supposed to be most of the time. Over the years I have seen that people are fallible, they are far from perfect and they can do immeasurable harm to those around them.
I don't understand what you mean by 'the group deal'.
Ian is definitely not a dime a dozen.....he is ONE OF A KIND....just the way you and I are one of a kind. 

I am really sorry that you are angry at everyone and everything.
Not angry at everyone and everything. Angry at the christian church who told me I could trust them. I really expected to find people different from everyone else. I found maybe 1 in 100, and I suspect that has to do with thier character and not their faith.

To be angry at the Christian Church and to lump them all in together isn't really fair. A lot of people who have left Revival and who wanted to continue on in a Church actually 'went shopping' to find the Church that best suited their needs. It isn't a static thing.....a church might suit your needs for a period of time and then you feel the need to look for another. There is no guarantee that any particular religious group or individual church within that denomination will fulfil all your needs all the time. Some churches are great until there is a change in the minister, priest, pastor....it's OK that it changes and it's OK to move on. If you don't like the way a doctor or dentist is treating you, you don't stay, churches are no different. So long as the message is true to the Christian message (if that is the way you are going) and that the 'corner-stone' of the church is Jesus, you can't go wrong, BUT, this is where knowledge comes into it again, a preacher can't preach with any degree of certainty he/she is preaching the correct message if they don't have knowledge of the topic. Without an education in theology, you are just hitting and mostly missing, the whole point, the same as the revivalist whackers.       

I wish that you could find peace, not necessarily in religion,...... but just by liking who you are and where you are in your life's journey........
I do like who I am, and I do have a modicum of peace compared to what my life was like before I got away from people who only cared about my conformity and not me. I have had 18 months free of suicidal thoughts for the first time in 35 years. That is largely due to the kind ministrations of my beautiful partner who is the kindest and gentlest man I ever knew. He has no asshole in him whatsoever. If I were still a christian I would suspect that god is restoring to me the years taken by the locust. But I would never admit that in public......

I'm glad that you have found a nice partner (I hope for his sake that he DOES have an asshole though) and that the 'black dog' isn't such a dark shade of black. Maybe your Faith is being restored bit by bit........

Goodluck 

Glad







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Tracey,

Ho, hum. 'Yeah', you've had a really bad life. 'Yeah', everything bad that's ever happened to you has been: (a) my fault; (b) someone else's fault; (c) the Christian Church's fault; but never, ever, under any circumstances has it been, (d) your fault.

So this--three years of on-line maliciousness--is you 'getting on with life', huh? Pardon me for confusing it for the self-serving ranting of a thoroughly bitter individual.

Goose.

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Hi Galien,

academics dont impress me Glad. Humility does. One guy I used to see has a masters degree in politics but is one of the most morally corrupt people I have ever met. Knowledge does not equal wisdom.






Ian is very humble guy Galien.. and without any issues of pride.

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Tracey,

Ho, hum. 'Yeah', you've had a really bad life. 'Yeah', everything bad that's ever happened to you has been: (a) my fault; (b) someone else's fault; (c) the Christian Church's fault; but never, ever, under any circumstances has it been, (d) your fault.

So this--three years of on-line maliciousness--is you 'getting on with life', huh? Pardon me for confusing it for the self-serving ranting of a thoroughly bitter individual.

Goose.

Ian

Ian.....time to not jump on every single thing and be 'humble' for awhile, Eric says that you are.
No wonder Galien rails against you, you push her buttons at every opportunity and stupidly, she 'comes in spinner'.

Imagine the peace, the quietness, the boredom on here if you two weren't perpetually slinging insults at one another.    

Glad   smiley6


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 That was me.....forgot to sign in and let my little 'Ice Bear' (as one of the German folk called it) out.

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Hi, Glad.

Ian.....time to not jump on every single thing and be 'humble' for awhile, Eric says that you are. My humility (or supposed lack, thereof) isn't what's at issue here. No wonder Galien rails against you, you push her buttons at every opportunity and stupidly, she 'comes in spinner'. In case you hadn't noticed, Ms Santarelli rails against me whether I engage, or not; whether I respond, or not. She's hardwired to blame others; I'm just the fixation of the moment for her.

Imagine the peace, the quietness, the boredom on here if you two weren't perpetually slinging insults at one another. Insults? The most 'insulting' thing I've called Tracey is 'goose'. Everything else has been the expressing of simple statements-of-fact.

Blessings,

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Hi, Glad.

Ian.....time to not jump on every single thing and be 'humble' for awhile, Eric says that you are. My humility (or supposed lack, thereof) isn't what's at issue here. No wonder Galien rails against you, you push her buttons at every opportunity and stupidly, she 'comes in spinner'. In case you hadn't noticed, Ms Santarelli rails against me whether I engage, or not; whether I respond, or not. She's hardwired to blame others; I'm just the fixation of the moment for her.

Imagine the peace, the quietness, the boredom on here if you two weren't perpetually slinging insults at one another. Insults? The most 'insulting' thing I've called Tracey is 'goose'. Everything else has been the expressing of simple statements-of-fact.

Blessings,

Ian

One thing I did learn from my last experience with assholes Ian was to document EVERYTHING. Being an administrator I am very very good at keeping records. The verbal and spiritual abuse you have meted out to me both on this forum and in the chatbox makes very interesting reading. Lets hope I never have to produce it anywhere, it is a pretty nasty picture of an abuser putting the boot into an already traumatised person with diagnosed PTSD from previous spiritual abuse. These days courts take a very dim view of pure psychological harm.

I have NEVER said, ever,  that everyone else is to blame for everything that has happened in my life. That is your OPINION Ian, and it is dead wrong. If you are right, why have I just spent four years in therapy learning to stop blaming myself for everything. I guess even a letter from my therapist would not be enough to convince you because you think you know everything. You don't. Every time you open your nasty mouth on this forum you further prove what a thoroughly uncaring, uncharitable human being you really are.
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Tracey,

Ho, hum. 'Yeah', you've had a really bad life. 'Yeah', everything bad that's ever happened to you has been: (a) my fault; (b) someone else's fault; (c) the Christian Church's fault; but never, ever, under any circumstances has it been, (d) your fault.

So this--three years of on-line maliciousness--is you 'getting on with life', huh? Pardon me for confusing it for the self-serving ranting of a thoroughly bitter individual.

Goose.

Ian

Um, Ian that would be malice, not "maliciousness", what on earth are they teaching you in those universities of yours??

It is your lack of humility that has always been the issue Ian. Nine years of asking Cor Smit why he had none had about the same reply as I get from you. Silence. Never once have you explained to me why I should take spiritual advice from a person with no humility.
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Tracey,

One thing I did learn from my last experience with assholes Ian was to document EVERYTHING. Being an administrator I am very very good at keeping records. The verbal and spiritual abuse you have meted out to me both on this forum and in the chatbox makes very interesting reading. Lets hope I never have to produce it anywhere, it is a pretty nasty picture of an abuser putting the boot into an already traumatised person with diagnosed PTSD from previous spiritual abuse. What absolute bollocks. To begin with, you much better fit the profile of 'abuser' than you do 'abused' on this forum; second, my conversations with you here have always been in the public domain. They still are, by the way. These days courts take a very dim view of pure psychological harm. Intelligent people who understand Australian law would take a dim view of ridiculous and thinly veiled but altogether hollow threats, too. This one does, at least.

I have NEVER said, ever,  that everyone else is to blame for everything that has happened in my life. That is your OPINION Ian, and it is dead wrong. Then I suggest that you go back and re-read your multiplied 'oh woe is me' missives, starting with yesterday's tripe. If you are right, why have I just spent four years in therapy learning to stop blaming myself for everything. Forgive me for pointing out that it doesn't show: all that you've ever done on this forum is cast blame outwards. I guess even a letter from my therapist would not be enough to convince you because you think you know everything. You don't. Well, I've never claimed to knowing everything. I have claimed, however, to knowing Scripture and Christian theology, and I doubt that your therapist has the measure of me on that score. Every time you open your nasty mouth on this forum you further prove what a thoroughly uncaring, uncharitable human being you really are. 'Pot, this is kettle ... "black", over'. Tell me, putting aside your bloody-minded focus towards venting your spleen at me all the time, what have you ever presented on this forum that would provide any sort of substantive benefit to a former Revivalist seeking to make sense of his or her experiences? Just one example would be nice.

The truth is, I stopped caring about you years ago, as it wasn't worth either the trouble or the effort on my part. People whose pride is so great that they refuse, point-blank, to accept scriptural advice and/or correction don't warrant my pity, and aren't my concern. Consequently, I perceive you in much the same way that I view, for example, Tony Barton: ignorant, opinionated and arrogant.

So this--three years of on-line maliciousness--is you 'getting on with life', huh? Pardon me for confusing it for the self-serving ranting of a thoroughly bitter individual.

Um, Ian that would be malice, not "maliciousness", what on earth are they teaching you in those universities of yours?? Um, clearly more concerning grammar than what you picked up via your grade ten education. You've mistaken the noun for its adjectival form.

It is your lack of humility that has always been the issue Ian. Nine years of asking Cor Smit why he had none had about the same reply as I get from you. Silence. Never once have you explained to me why I should take spiritual advice from a person with no humility. Um, perhaps the fact that I consistently proved my opinions from Scripture, and consistently disproved yours? How's that for starters?

What you lack in personal credibility, you strive to make up for in empty verbiage.

Goose.

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It is your lack of humility that has always been the issue Ian. Nine years of asking Cor Smit why he had none had about the same reply as I get from you. Silence. Never once have you explained to me why I should take spiritual advice from a person with no humility. Um, perhaps the fact that I consistently proved my opinions from Scripture, and consistently disproved yours? How's that for starters?



And yet again you don't answer the question. Three years of dodging it.....Oh well I lasted nine with Cor. I am nothing if not persistent.

Im not inteested in your opinions Ian, but interested in you showing some humility, yet something stops you. I wonder what that is???

Could it be that in matters spiritual that others are accountable to you, but that you are accountable to no one?
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Tracey,

And yet again you don't answer the question. Three years of dodging it.....Oh well I lasted nine with Cor. I am nothing if not persistent. But I haven't dodged the issue at all. Consider, I've never, not once, ever stated that you had to conform to anything that I directed you to do. Until very recently you professed to being Christian. What I've pointed out to you during those three years, and ad infinitum at that, was that to be 'Christian' was to obey Jesus Christ: Christianity being on his terms, not yours. Consequently, I consistently refuted your claims by appealing to Scripture, pointing you to what it said. Ergo, it's not my lack of humility that's the issue here, but yours.

Im not inteested in your opinions Ian, but interested in you showing some humility, yet something stops you. I wonder what that is??? You've demonstrated, time-and-again, that you're not interested in any opinion that differs from yours, whether that opinion presents from me or from someone else. In point-of-fact, the list of those whom you've flatly rejected reads like a "who's who" of this forum, and spans the gamut from the most forthright of personalities, through to the most self-effacing. So humility on the part of the 'messenger' has never been the issue, but intractable stubbornness on yours.

Could it be that in matters spiritual that others are accountable to you, but that you are accountable to no one? Aha, but as I've pointed out to you all along, I've never said that you were accountable to me, not once. As you formerly were in the habit of rather vocally professing to being 'Christian', I maintained that you were accountable to Jesus Christ through his Church. But you'd have none of that, would you? Consequently, your claims weren't reflected in your behaviour, your hypocrisy was rank, and it's been laid completely bare.

But what of your latest false charge? That I'm accountable to noone? Well, in a final (and probably vain) attempt to get you to see reality, here's a brief snapshot of my personal situation. I make myself fully accountable to the members of my congregation, to those with whom I am in intimate 'partnership' (i.e. 'fellowship'). As you well know, I've rejected every offer of a formal leadership role, in every church in which I've served. Furthermore, because I exercise a teaching ministry within the church, I'm accountable to the minister and the church's leadership group. Consequently, I willingly submit to a rather detailed personal examination of my spirituality and godliness, and I do so every six months. Such is good stewardship on their part, and good sense on mine.  The same general conditions apply to my academic appointment, and the same is true with respect to my paid profession.

Submission to spiritual authority (or even temporal authority) isn't a problem for me, Tracey; how about you?

Goose.

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One could say that I have no confidence whatsoever in anyone who runs anything, and there are good reasons for that. I am completely cynical about anyone who weasels their way into positions of authority. I will never EVER be accountable to god through human beings again. They are not honest, not trustworthy, and not there with my best interests at heart. Or would you like me to put my neck on the chopping block again Ian?  Of course you would :)

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One could say that I have no confidence whatsoever in anyone who runs anything, and there are good reasons for that. I am completely cynical about anyone who weasels their way into positions of authority. I will never EVER be accountable to god through human beings again. They are not honest, not trustworthy, and not there with my best interests at heart. Or would you like me to put my neck on the chopping block again Ian?  Of course you would :)


Tracey,

What about your husband ?? God does make you accountable to your husband.

"Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you"

Becoming a Christian makes one a living member of Christ's body and it is impossible for you to exclude yourself from it!! It is totally impossible to exclude yourself because that is the Word of God. You see Tracey as a Christian you become a 'bride' of Christ Himself and as such your desire is to Jesus Christ (your new Heavenly husband) and Jesus Christ now rules over you , that is if you are a genuine Christian..

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One could say that I have no confidence whatsoever in anyone who runs anything, and there are good reasons for that. I am completely cynical about anyone who weasels their way into positions of authority. I will never EVER be accountable to god through human beings again. They are not honest, not trustworthy, and not there with my best interests at heart. Or would you like me to put my neck on the chopping block again Ian?  Of course you would :)


Tracey,

What about your husband ?? God does make you accountable to your husband.

"Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you"

Becoming a Christian makes one a living member of Christ's body and it is impossible for you to exclude yourself from it!! It is totally impossible to exclude yourself because that is the Word of God. You see Tracey as a Christian you become a 'bride' of Christ Himself and as such your desire is to Jesus Christ (your new Heavenly husband) and Jesus Christ now rules over you , that is if you are a genuine Christian..

Eric

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Well that right there is a good enough reason not to be a christian. Who wants to be ruled over by another human being? Thats just creepy shit. I have seen close at hand how many men love their wives as christ loved the church. And Eric he isn't my husband, and even if he were, he would NOT be having the rule over me. I have learnt the hard way just how well it turns out when I let anyone have the rule over me. If people were other centred, kind and humble that would work really well. That has not been my experience or my observation. I am presently watching five marriages around me disintegrate. Not one of those people will take responsibility for their own part in the conflict. Everone wants to blame everyone else. This is the world we live in Eric, not the pretty world of the 1950's where your head still seems to be.
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A quick question for Ian:

Why do you resort to name calling at the end of your posts whenever you disagree theologically and philosophically with anyone on this forum?

You claim to be Christian and well educated in this field yet your comments belie your claims. If you are truly sincere in your beliefs it certainly doesn’t show from your posting.

Surely calling people “Goose” is beneath educated, mature adults, much less someone who “claims” to be a spiritual teacher or leader.

Contrast this with the conduct of the Apostles:

1Th 2:5 For as you well know, we never resorted either to words of flattery or to any cloak to conceal greedy motives or pretexts for gain, [as] God is our witness.

1Th 2:6  Nor did we seek to extract praise and honour and glory from men, either from you or from anyone else, though we might have asserted our authority [stood on our dignity and claimed honour] as apostles (special missionaries) of Christ (the Messiah). 

1Th 2:7 But we behaved gently when we were among you, like a devoted mother nursing and cherishing her own children.      Amplified Version

“You will know them by their fruits”

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Could it be that in matters spiritual that others are accountable to you, but that you are accountable to no one? Aha, but as I've pointed out to you all along, I've never said that you were accountable to me, not once. As you formerly were in the habit of rather vocally professing to being 'Christian', I maintained that you were accountable to Jesus Christ through his Church. But you'd have none of that, would you? Consequently, your claims weren't reflected in your behaviour, your hypocrisy was rank, and it's been laid completely bare.

Submission to spiritual authority (or even temporal authority) isn't a problem for me, Tracey; how about you?

Maybe that would be because I don't believe the authority taken on by those who run churches comes from god. The proof of the pudding is in the eating Ian. I have watched too many people have their lives destroyed by the betrayal of those who run christian churches and organisations. If you people ever actually learn to deal with people in a way that doesn't involve making them disappear because they won't comform to your view of the world let me know.

The whole point of my presence on this forum is to point out that revival damaged some people in ways that just going to an orthodox church doesn't fix. Revival preyed on people who already had emotional and  mental health issues and just patting them on the head and pushing them into a new church will not magically make everything okay. Trust is the deepest part of us, once that  has been smashed to pieces by watching the same bad behaviour over and over again from various christian organisations, there is very little possibility that trust can ever be restored by yet another mouthful of hard hearted uncaring tripe. What it really means it "I don't care what you have been through, I don't care how you feel, do what you are told and shut up, comform and don't ever question me or cause any trouble".

Sadly, humans are pretty predictable and ALWAYS act the same way in groups. Christians are no different, but I will always believe they could be, and should be.


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Everone wants to blame everyone else. This is the world we live in Eric, not the pretty world of the 1950's where your head still seems to be

And whats wrong with that? Maybe looking at my car I'm more in the 20's, but the 50's were cool.
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Jingles,

A quick question for Ian: Why do you resort to name calling at the end of your posts whenever you disagree theologically and philosophically with anyone on this forum? The word 'goose' expresses rather succinctly, the way that I perceive those who revel in their ignorance and/or arrogance. According to the Macquarie Dictionary (rev. 3rd ed.), colloquially-speaking a goose is: 'a silly or foolish person'. It fits.

You claim to be Christian and well educated in this field yet your comments belie your claims. Really? Why? Theologically, my claim to being Christian pivots around two principle considerations: (1) Jesus Christ's completed work as Messiah at the cross. And, (2) my active obedience in following him. If you believe differently, then let's hear it. Next, if you're of the opinion that I'm not well educated in Christian theology, I'd appreciate learning of your reasoning. If you are truly sincere in your beliefs it certainly doesn’t show from your posting. Ah, but it does show in the effects of my posting, doesn't it? Around 500-odd people rescued from Revivalism thus far.

Surely calling people “Goose” is beneath educated, mature adults, much less someone who “claims” to be a spiritual teacher or leader. Two things. First, I don't claim to being a 'spiritual teacher or leader'. In your use, the word 'spiritual' functions as an adjective that defines or qualifies the nouns 'teacher' or 'leader'. My claim, however, is to being a teacher of spiritual truth, where the adjective 'spiritual' qualifies the noun 'truth'. You've focussed on me; I focus on God's revelation. Quite the difference in approach and outlook, huh?

You've obviously taken personal umbrage at the fact that I often refer to certain types of people by the epithet, 'goose'. Well, there are more appropriate terms that I could use, I suppose. How does 'heretic', or 'hyprocrite' sound? Would either be a little 'softer' on your 'delicate' ears?

Contrast this with the conduct of the Apostles:

1Th 2:5 For as you well know, we never resorted either to words of flattery or to any cloak to conceal greedy motives or pretexts for gain, [as] God is our witness. 1Th 2:6  Nor did we seek to extract praise and honour and glory from men, either from you or from anyone else, though we might have asserted our authority [stood on our dignity and claimed honour] as apostles (special missionaries) of Christ (the Messiah). 1Th 2:7 But we behaved gently when we were among you, like a devoted mother nursing and cherishing her own children. Jingles, I need to ask you the obvious question. Before you decided to 'pluck' this passage, did the thought cross your mind to check the contexts that imbue it with meaning? No? Well here's a very brief exegetical summary, quite off the top of my head. Paul planted the church at Thessalonica; it was his 'mission field'. How does that apply to me calling you 'goose'? Next, the background to chapter two is Paul defending his conduct in preaching the Christian Gospel to Gentiles, and then against Jewish slander with respect to his commision from Christ. How does this apply to me calling you 'goose'? Third, what does an apostle forgoing his apostolic rights to obedience have to do with me calling you 'goose'? Fourth, Paul disclaimed that he was seeking praise from men. How does that apply to me calling you 'goose'?  But let's go a little further in considering this apostle and his conduct, shall we? In Galatians 1:8 Paul thunders, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐὰν ἡμεῖς ἢ ἄγγελος ἐξ οὐρανοῦ εὐαγγελίζηται [ὑμῖν] παρʼ ὃ εὐηγγελισάμεθα ὑμῖν, ἀνάθεμα ἔστω. Put very bluntly, the apostle Paul curses heretics who preach false 'gospels' to hell! That's a little sterner than calling someone 'goose', don't you think?

“You will know them by their fruits”. Indeed we will.

Goose.

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Tracey,

One could say that I have no confidence whatsoever in anyone who runs anything, and there are good reasons for that. 'Confidence' must run in just the one direction, eh? I am completely cynical about anyone who weasels their way into positions of authority. Simply because someone is in a position of authority, s/he must have 'weasled' their way there? What of those who've earned the privilege? that I will never EVER be accountable to god through human beings again. Then, obviously, you stand condemned to God's judgment by your own words. They are not honest, not trustworthy, and not there with my best interests at heart. Or perhaps 'they' know better concerning what is in your 'best' interest than you do? Have you ever stopped for long enough to consider that possibility? Or would you like me to put my neck on the chopping block again Ian?  Of course you would :) It seems to me that it's there, already.

And Eric he isn't my husband, and even if he were, he would NOT be having the rule over me. Of course he's not, and of course he wouldn't. The reverse for either would require obedience to God's Word on your part, wouldn't it?

Submission to spiritual authority (or even temporal authority) isn't a problem for me, Tracey; how about you?

Maybe that would be because I don't believe the authority taken on by those who run churches comes from god. 'Yes', we all know what you don't believe, but what did God have to say about the matter, hmmm? The proof of the pudding is in the eating Ian. I have watched too many people have their lives destroyed by the betrayal of those who run christian churches and organisations. If you people ever actually learn to deal with people in a way that doesn't involve making them disappear because they won't comform to your view of the world let me know. Actually, we Christians deal with people with consideration, care and concern very well.

The whole point of my presence on this forum is to point out that revival damaged some people in ways that just going to an orthodox church doesn't fix. 'Yep'. You're an 'object lesson' alright; a perfect example of the effects of unresolved Revivalist thinking and behaviour. Revival preyed on people who already had emotional and  mental health issues and just patting them on the head and pushing them into a new church will not magically make everything okay. Noone has ever suggested otherwise. But please, don't stop blaming all of your pre-existing emotional, psychological and sociological issues on either Revivalism or Christianity. Trust is the deepest part of us, once that  has been smashed to pieces by watching the same bad behaviour over and over again from various christian organisations, there is very little possibility that trust can ever be restored by yet another mouthful of hard hearted uncaring tripe. Just as it's nigh on impossible for one with a heart as hard and a mind as closed as yours, to have the former 'soften' and the latter 'open' to the truth. What it really means it "I don't care what you have been through, I don't care how you feel, do what you are told and shut up, comform and don't ever question me or cause any trouble". Do you know? But I think it's more likely that people fail to 'hear' you, because you're too busy SHOUTING at them, and BLAMING them for all of the ills of your world, all of the time.

Sadly, humans are pretty predictable and ALWAYS act the same way in groups. Christians are no different, but I will always believe they could be, and should be. No you don't. I think you're perfectly happy living with your little box of woes.

Goose.

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Tracey,

One could say that I have no confidence whatsoever in anyone who runs anything, and there are good reasons for that. 'Confidence' must run in just the one direction, eh? I am completely cynical about anyone who weasels their way into positions of authority. Simply because someone is in a position of authority, s/he must have 'weasled' their way there? What of those who've earned the privilege? that I will never EVER be accountable to god through human beings again. Then, obviously, you stand condemned to God's judgment by your own words. They are not honest, not trustworthy, and not there with my best interests at heart. Or perhaps 'they' know better concerning what is in your 'best' interest than you do? Have you ever stopped for long enough to consider that possibility? Or would you like me to put my neck on the chopping block again Ian?  Of course you would :) It seems to me that it's there, already.

Earned the privelege? Yes it is a privelege. Shame so many of you abuse that privelege by assuming you know what is best for other people. I used to believe that some people knew what was best for me and I have been tyring to clean up the mess from those stupid decisons every time I made them. Won't be making that mistake again.

I know Ian they teach you all that crap aint he army about how much better you are than everyone else because you  here to protect us blah blah blah, but you really don't know what is best for other people. Who do you think you are, everyone's parent? The very fact you believe this shows me you have nothing but contempt for anyone else's opinion but your own. You just know what is best for all of us don't you Ian. Arrogant.

Gone are the days I allow anyone ever again to use the bible or any other holy book to abuse me. It's over. The utter disgrace is that it should ever happened in the first place. But really, it is in keeping with the long history of abuse by all religions, I should not be suprised.

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 Trust is the deepest part of us, once that  has been smashed to pieces by watching the same bad behaviour over and over again from various christian organisations, there is very little possibility that trust can ever be restored by yet another mouthful of hard hearted uncaring tripe. Just as it's nigh on impossible for one with a heart as hard and a mind as closed as yours, to have the former 'soften' and the latter 'open' to the truth.

Blah blah blah deflect

What it really means it "I don't care what you have been through, I don't care how you feel, do what you are told and shut up, comform and don't ever question me or cause any trouble".
Do you know? But I think it's more likely that people fail to 'hear' you, because you're too busy SHOUTING at them, and BLAMING them for all of the ills of your world, all of the time.

blah blah bah deflect

Sadly, humans are pretty predictable and ALWAYS act the same way in groups. Christians are no different, but I will always believe they could be, and should be. No you don't. I think you're perfectly happy living with your little box of woes.

Oh because you know what I think better than I do, don't you Ian just like you know what is best for me.

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Tracey,

As I said in my previous post, you provide a perfect example of the effects of unresolved Revivalist thinking and behaviour. Even after your accusations, protestations and insuations have been conclusively disproven, you stubbornly 'stick to your guns'.

Goose.

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Ian I have quoted your comments in italics below

The word 'goose' expresses rather succinctly, the way that I perceive those who revel in their ignorance and/or arrogance. According to the Macquarie Dictionary (rev. 3rd ed.), colloquially-speaking a goose is: 'a silly or foolish person'. It fits.

Are you suggesting that I start referring to you as “Goose” then, given that you more than most fit this description?

Really? Why? Theologically, my claim to being Christian pivots around two principle considerations: (1) Jesus Christ's completed work as Messiah at the cross. And, (2) my active obedience in following him. If you believe differently, then let's hear it. Next, if you're of the opinion that I'm not well educated in Christian theology, I'd appreciate learning of your reasoning.

No, I am simply saying that if you were as smart as you keep saying, and saying and saying you are; then you would have no need to resort to name calling.

Ah, but it does show in the effects of my posting, doesn't it? Around 500-odd people rescued from Revivalism thus far

Put plainly living a holy life is a battle and the parable of the sower and the seed tells us quite plainly that more leave than stay.

Read for yourself:

Mat 13:3  And he spoke many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; Mat 13:4  And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Verse 4: Refers to those who do not respond.

Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and FORTHWITH THEY SPRUNG UP, because they had no deepness of earth: Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

Verses 5 & 6: Refers to those who do respond but leave.

Mat 13:7 And some fell among thorns; and THE THORNS SPRUNG UP, AND CHOKED THEM:

Verses 5 & 6: Refers to those who do respond but leave due to the cares of this world.

Mat 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Mat 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear

So, in summary two out of the three types of respondents mentioned by Jesus in the parable leave after a while for a various reasons.

I would wager that most (if not all) of the people you claim to be your victories in battling the enemy, were on their way out the door anyway.

Ostensibly all you are doing is sitting outside and claiming responsibility for their decision making.

Two things. First, I don't claim to being a 'spiritual teacher or leader'. In your use, the word 'spiritual' functions as an adjective that defines or qualifies the nouns 'teacher' or 'leader'. My claim, however, is to being a teacher of spiritual truth, where the adjective 'spiritual' qualifies the noun 'truth'. You've focussed on me; I focus on God's revelation. Quite the difference in approach and outlook, huh?

Well; now that you mention it. You are neither, Spiritual, Apt to Teach*, or able to see or understand Truth which disqualifies you entirely.

* Yes I know what Didaktikon (διδακτικός) means. So ironicJ

You've obviously taken personal umbrage at the fact that I often refer to certain types of people by the epithet, 'goose'. Well, there are more appropriate terms that I could use, I suppose. How does 'heretic', or 'hyprocrite' sound? Would either be a little 'softer' on your 'delicate' ears?

No I don’t take it personally at all, In fact I would prefer it if you didn’t sugar coat your comments. So from now on for the sake of clarity may I suggest that you refer to me as 'heretic', or 'hypocrite and I will refer to you as Viper, Serpent or Deceiver.

Oh by the way, I think you mean Hypocrite not hyprocrite


Jingles, I need to ask you the obvious question. Before you decided to 'pluck' this passage, did the thought cross your mind to check the contexts that imbue it with meaning? No? Well here's a very brief exegetical summary, quite off the top of my head. Paul planted the church at Thessalonica; it was his 'mission field'. How does that apply to me calling you 'goose'? Next, the background to chapter two is Paul defending his conduct in preaching the Christian Gospel to Gentiles, and then against Jewish slander with respect to his commision from Christ. How does this apply to me calling you 'goose'? Third, what does an apostle forgoing his apostolic rights to obedience have to do with me calling you 'goose'? Fourth, Paul disclaimed that he was seeking praise from men. How does that apply to me calling you 'goose'?  But let's go a little further in considering this apostle and his conduct, shall we? In Galatians 1:8 Paul thunders,
λλ κα ἐὰν μες γγελος ξ ορανο εαγγελίζηται [μν] παρʼ εηγγελισάμεθα μν, νάθεμα στω. Put very bluntly, the apostle Paul curses heretics who preach false 'gospels' to hell! That's a little sterner than calling someone 'goose', don't you think?

Well; where should I start?

Firstly, the Personalisation of your comments: I never once made reference to you calling me “Goose” I am simply stating the obvious. That to resort to name calling is indicative of what your motivation is, to seek to illicite support from spiritually immature Christians who are ill equipped to identify the difference between natural and spiritual concepts.

i.e. as a wolf will attack the weaker sheep first you prey on immature Christians.

Secondly your appellation to my breaching context in your efforts to cloak your disobedience to scripture:

Repeatedly you nullify the scriptures by stating that the context is different now. Context is important to understand the setting, intents of the author and the audience etc.

But what you do is use the context card as a get out of gaol card in order to disobey scripture by twisting and perverting the instructions. You know who else did this

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, IF THOU BE THE SON OF GOD, COMMAND THAT THESE STONES BE MADE BREAD.

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, MAN SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

Note: Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy chapter 8: Entirely different context.

Deut 8:3  And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knew not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Now here Jesus is drawing on events and motives from over a millennia earlier.  He did this because Satan was using the word of God to deceive.

In the same way I am pointing to scripture that illustrated spiritual concepts that Jesus (who in the Word made flesh) has placed in the Bible for us to apply in our lives.

Similarly I would like to refer you to this methodology being employed by “Sons of Belial” in the time of Rehoboam the son of Solomon.

2Ch 13:7 And there are gathered to him vain men, the sons of Belial, and have made themselves strong against Rehoboam the son of Solomon, and REHOBOAM WAS YOUNG AND TENDERHEARTED AND COULD NOT WITHSTAND THEM.

You see Ian, Your methodology is clear as crystal to experienced mature Christians and you are simply targeting immature Christians seeking to persuade them that there is an easier (lukewarm) way of doing things. They are simply “Tenderhearted” due to their youth.

As I said earlier:

“As a wolf will attack the weaker sheep first you prey on immature Christians”.

BTW: In that example we are told that Rehoboam took advice from people who had NOT experienced the power of God. (The “Young Men”) see 1 Kings 12.

In closing Ian, I would suggest that you refrain from calling me “Goose” and I will simply call you what Jesus calls you.

Mat 23:12  And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Mat 23:13  But woe unto you, SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mat 23:14  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:16  Woe unto you, YE BLIND GUIDES, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

*Please feel free to pick one of the names “CAPITALISED”

Mat 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Mat 23:24  YE BLIND GUIDES, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Mat 23:25  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Mat 23:26  Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Mat 23:27  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Mat 23:28  Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mat 23:29  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, Mat 23:30  And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Mat 23:31  Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Mat 23:32  Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Mat 23:33  YE SERPENTS, ye generation of VIPERS, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

“You will know them by their fruits”. Indeed we will.

Serpent

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Jingles,

Ha, ha, ha. All I can suggest is that if you're not Tony Barton, then you're clearly cut from the very same cloth! Please, keep up your efforts as I find it rather entertaining watching you 'dig' such a deep 'hole' for yourself.

Goose.

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Jingles,

Ha, ha, ha. All I can suggest is that if you're not Tony Barton, then you're clearly cut from the very same cloth! Please, keep up your efforts as I find it rather entertaining watching you 'dig' such a deep 'hole' for yourself.

Goose.

Ian


Ouch! Name calling again.

Cut from the same cloth hmm.

I don't know if I would go that far.

I do know that we are very different indeed, as different as Light and Dark in fact.

Bye bye Serpent

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Ian I have quoted your comments in italics below


Mr Jingles, being able to cut out scripture and pasting it upon a forum board is not a clear license to attack someone or their theological position and nor is it proof of sound understanding of the text you choose to post. 

... In short you do not know what you are talking about Son. Truly when you paste text, you only show how ignorant your own theological position stands.

.. so just to help you, here is a link I highly recommend to you that will certainly start you in the right direction and the good news is that you will only be out of pocket for a mere $20 plus pack and post..

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Tracey,

As I said in my previous post, you provide a perfect example of the effects of unresolved Revivalist thinking and behaviour. Even after your accusations, protestations and insuations have been conclusively disproven, you stubbornly 'stick to your guns'.

Goose.

Ian


Same could be said of you.

I guess we should just tell the thousands of people in the world who have been abused by churches that they are having a collective delusion shall we??

Liar.
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Jingles, Ha, ha, ha. All I can suggest is that if you're not Tony Barton, then you're clearly cut from the very same cloth! Please, keep up your efforts as I find it rather entertaining watching you 'dig' such a deep 'hole' for yourself.

Galien... it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks (or those you consider pricks). Give it a rest, ya think? No, you probably don't.

My Jingles all the way is a hoot. If it's not Tony then it's the Attack of The Clones.

Oh by the way, I think you mean Hypocrite not hyprocrite

You spelled it correctly, but then made it a proper noun? It really is a desperate man who combs a debate for the rare typos and/or spelling mistakes of Ian's when his own text is chockablock full of grammatical errors, punctuation omissions, and of course typos, which are in themselves a forgivable sin in informal non-academic writings such as these. Puh-lease, it makes you look even more infantile and cheap; grasping at straws for unwarranted juvenile one-upmanship.

It's becoming really obvious to me why some people stay in Revival and are unable to find their way out...

Silly or foolish person
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Tracey,

As I said in my previous post, you provide a perfect example of the effects of unresolved Revivalist thinking and behaviour. Even after your accusations, protestations and insuations have been conclusively disproven, you stubbornly 'stick to your guns'.

Same could be said of you. Except for the fact that you've never disproven any of my points. I guess we should just tell the thousands of people in the world who have been abused by churches that they are having a collective delusion shall we?? Can you name any of those 'thousands' who you claim have been so abused?

There is no 'collective delusion'; there is simply your delusion.

Goose.

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Tracey,

As I said in my previous post, you provide a perfect example of the effects of unresolved Revivalist thinking and behaviour. Even after your accusations, protestations and insuations have been conclusively disproven, you stubbornly 'stick to your guns'.

Same could be said of you. Except for the fact that you've never disproven any of my points. I guess we should just tell the thousands of people in the world who have been abused by churches that they are having a collective delusion shall we?? Can you name any of those 'thousands' who you claim have been so abused?

There is no 'collective delusion'; there is simply your delusion.

Goose.

Ian


Your points are crap, I wouldn't even waste my time. Yes Ian I can name many people so abused, but unlike you I do not invade people's privacy on the internet. In that regard, my ex husband requests that you stop blabbling his surname on this forum. After all, It has only been loaned to me.
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Tracey,

Except for the fact that you've never disproven any of my points. Your points are crap, I wouldn't even waste my time. Since when? You've spent the better part of three years vainly attempting to refute my supposedly 'crap' points. Yes Ian I can name many people so abused, but unlike you I do not invade people's privacy on the internet. Au contraire! You've invaded my privacy quite a few times, in commenting on my occupation, where I work and such forth. But your 'normal' practice on the internet seems to be to do stupid things like threatening to flood the place with porn if you don't get your way. Oh, and you also refuse to leave when asked to by the forum's owner. Given such behaviour, I can only conclude that you think everything here exists just for you. In that regard, my ex husband requests that you stop blabbling his surname on this forum. After all, It has only been loaned to me. Noone has 'invaded' your former husband's privacy. 'Santarelli' is the surname that you go by at the moment, and it's you that I've been addressing.

Goose.

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 Galien,You find this enlightening its from a site called How cults work.


Cult leadership is feared. To disagree with leadership is the same as disagreeing with God. The cult leaders will claim to have direct authority from God to control almost all aspects of your life. If the cult is not a religious group then questioning the leaders or program will still be seen as a sign of rebellion and stupidity.

Guilt, Character Assassination and Breaking Sessions.Guilt will be used to control you. Maybe the reason you're not making money is because you're not "with the programme". Maybe the reason you're not able to convert new recruits is because "your heart is prideful and full of sin". It could never be that the programme isn't working, or those new recruits have valid reasons for not joining. It's always your fault, you are always wrong, and so you must try harder! You will also be made to feel very guilty for disobeying any of the cult's written or unwritten rules.

Character Assassination is used to help create the guilt in you. Character Assassination is a type of false reasoning used by people and groups who have no real arguments. The technical name for Character Assassination is "The Ad hominem Fallacy". This is how it works. Imagine if you will a conversation between two men, Ford and Arthur…

"One plus one equals three", says Ford.
"No I don't think so. You see when I have one thing, and I have another thing, then I have two things not three", replies Arthur.
"I see your point, but what you must realize is that one plus one when calculated in relation to this complex number domain, which I just invented, and then squared by the sum of the ninth tangent in the sequence of the Fibonacci series results in three!", stated Ford triumphantly.

Ok, Ford is wrong, but that is not the point. The point is that Ford tried to answer Arthur's reasoning with more reasoning of his own. This is the healthy way people and groups debate subjects. Now lets see what would have happened if Ford had used Character Assassination…

"Arthur I have been a mathematician longer than you. How dare you disagree with me! You are obviously a very smug and prideful person. I think you are disagreeing with me because you are jealous of me, and to be honest with you Arthur your rebellion has really hurt me and a lot of other people too", stated Ford his face intimidatingly close to Arthur's.

You see Ford didn't answer Arthur's argument, instead he attacked his character. If you are not aware of how Character Assassination works then it is a powerful way to exert control over you.


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Tracey,

Except for the fact that you've never disproven any of my points. Your points are crap, I wouldn't even waste my time. Since when? You've spent the better part of three years vainly attempting to refute my supposedly 'crap' points. Yes Ian I can name many people so abused, but unlike you I do not invade people's privacy on the internet. Au contraire! You've invaded my privacy quite a few times, in commenting on my occupation, where I work and such forth. But your 'normal' practice on the internet seems to be to do stupid things like threatening to flood the place with porn if you don't get your way. Oh, and you also refuse to leave when asked to by the forum's owner. Given such behaviour, I can only conclude that you think everything here exists just for you. In that regard, my ex husband requests that you stop blabbling his surname on this forum. After all, It has only been loaned to me. Noone has 'invaded' your former husband's privacy. 'Santarelli' is the surname that you go by at the moment, and it's you that I've been addressing.

Goose.

Ian


1. I don't care about your points. I am no longer part of the christian guilt factory. Doesn't work on me Ian. As long as you maintain the position that a christian teacher can still be a heartless asshole and remain acceptable to god nothing else you say holds any weight.

2. You have freely told people what you do and where you live. Its not a matter of me getting me way. I do realise however the complete and utter futilility of getting you people to admit to your pride. Doesn't matter, eventually the christian church will fade into obscurity where it belongs.

3. So address me, there is no need to use my surname.

4. Does your little mate eric not realise how embarrassing he is crawling up your bottom with his greek. That guy seems to have a SERIOUS mancrush on you. Eek.
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Tracey,

1. I don't care about your points. What you really mean is, "I claim to not caring about Ian's points, but I just can't help responding to them in an attempt to justify myself". I am no longer part of the christian guilt factory. It's been conclusively proven that you weren't ever part of the Christian experience. Obviously I can't provide much in the way of informed comment about your extensive history with guilt, other than to point out that you seem to have had lashings of it, apparently with very good reason. Doesn't work on me Ian. 'Truth' apparently doesn't work on you, either. As long as you maintain the position that a christian teacher can still be a heartless asshole and remain acceptable to god nothing else you say holds any weight. Well, it seems that such is your position, not mine. Still, it wouldn't be your first time tilting at windmills.

2. You have freely told people what you do and where you live. Its not a matter of me getting me way. Just as you've freely shared your surname, occupation and town of residence on this forum too. Stop attempting to hypocritically ply the double-standard (again). I do realise however the complete and utter futilility of getting you people to admit to your pride. Quid pro quo, it seems equally futile us trying to get 'you' people to admit to your hypocrisy and ignorance. Doesn't matter, eventually the christian church will fade into obscurity where it belongs. Ha, ha, ha. Given the longevity of the Christian Church thus far, 'I don't think so' seems as good a response as any.

3. So address me, there is no need to use my surname. The person whom I address on this forum is Ms Tracey Santarelli of Wagga Wagga. How is this qualifiably different to your habit of posting my name, plus my rank, plus my occupation, and my academic qualifications at every given opportunity?

4. Does your little mate eric not realise how embarrassing he is crawling up your bottom with his greek. That guy seems to have a SERIOUS mancrush on you. Eek. Clearly he's an excellent judge of character, then! However, another matter about which you're obviously ignorant is that you're naught but a 'jenny-come-lately' in discussions of this sort. Eric 'jousted' with me on the precursor to this forum for the better part of a decade. Unlike you, however, he eventually accepted the truth. Also unlike you Eric isn't a bitter, jaded, malicious and self-absorbed sort of person. His 'exuberance', then, is no doubt a normal part of his makeup.

Finally, you need to understand is that I will outlast you, here. And I will continue to enjoy responding to your nonsense as I do so.

Goose.

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Tracey,

1. I don't care about your points. What you really mean is, "I claim to not caring about Ian's points, but I just can't help responding to them in an attempt to justify myself". I am no longer part of the christian guilt factory. It's been conclusively proven that you weren't ever part of the Christian experience. Obviously I can't provide much in the way of informed comment about your extensive history with guilt, other than to point out that you seem to have had lashings of it, apparently with very good reason. Doesn't work on me Ian. 'Truth' apparently doesn't work on you, either. As long as you maintain the position that a christian teacher can still be a heartless asshole and remain acceptable to god nothing else you say holds any weight. Well, it seems that such is your position, not mine. Still, it wouldn't be your first time tilting at windmills.

Ian you don't seem to either know or care that in the real world no one really cares about all this rubbish you waffle on with. And basically you can provide NO informed comment about me at all. Apply what ever phrase you like to it Ian, you are pretty weel representative of your ilk, in love with power and thats about it :)

2. You have freely told people what you do and where you live. Its not a matter of me getting me way. Just as you've freely shared your surname, occupation and town of residence on this forum too. Stop attempting to hypocritically ply the double-standard (again). I do realise however the complete and utter futilility of getting you people to admit to your pride. Quid pro quo, it seems equally futile us trying to get 'you' people to admit to your hypocrisy and ignorance. Doesn't matter, eventually the christian church will fade into obscurity where it belongs. Ha, ha, ha. Given the longevity of the Christian Church thus far, 'I don't think so' seems as good a response as any.

Yeah coz the churches in your delusion are just chockers every weekend. People lined up for hours just to get in. Might be true of Hill$ong but thats about it. Yes the long and embarrassing history of the christian church......oh thats right im sorry I forget the glee with which you mention all those sanctioned killings of those who resisted "the truth".

3. So address me, there is no need to use my surname. The person whom I address on this forum is Ms Tracey Santarelli of Wagga Wagga. How is this qualifiably different to your habit of posting my name, plus my rank, plus my occupation, and my academic qualifications at every given opportunity?

And the fact you are an unashamed (major) asshole. Thats the most important bit!

4. Does your little mate eric not realise how embarrassing he is crawling up your bottom with his greek. That guy seems to have a SERIOUS mancrush on you. Eek. Clearly he's an excellent judge of character, then! However, another matter about which you're obviously ignorant is that you're naught but a 'jenny-come-lately' in discussions of this sort. Eric 'jousted' with me on the precursor to this forum for the better part of a decade. Unlike you, however, he eventually accepted the truth. Also unlike you Eric isn't a bitter, jaded, malicious and self-absorbed sort of person. His 'exuberance', then, is no doubt a normal part of his makeup.

He plays a very nice wormtongue to your voldemort. Nice little yes man. Makes me wonder how people get to his age and not realise how embarrassing that whole crawling to the boss thing is. Exuberance? Nah he just likes you patting him on the head, and your approval when he joins you as you put the boot into people. Lovely. Who wants to get involved in boring dry exegesis which has about as much appeal as watching an episode of home and away? But then I suppose it is a good way to escape from the real issues of life.


Finally, what you need to understand is that I will outlast you, here.

Ya think sunshine???



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Tracey,

1. I don't care about your points. What you really mean is, "I claim to not caring about Ian's points, but I just can't help responding to them in an attempt to justify myself". I am no longer part of the christian guilt factory. It's been conclusively proven that you weren't ever part of the Christian experience. Obviously I can't provide much in the way of informed comment about your extensive history with guilt, other than to point out that you seem to have had lashings of it, apparently with very good reason. Doesn't work on me Ian. 'Truth' apparently doesn't work on you, either. As long as you maintain the position that a christian teacher can still be a heartless asshole and remain acceptable to god nothing else you say holds any weight. Well, it seems that such is your position, not mine. Still, it wouldn't be your first time tilting at windmills.

Oh thats right, YOU know what I mean better than I do. Hehe, you really are such a dick. Conclusively proven my lily white ass. Despite the fact you STILL think you are god's right hand man, you aren't. I often wonder what particular pathology people like you who believe that actually have, and exactly what it is that causes you to need so much attention and approval from others for your "accomplishments"?

2. You have freely told people what you do and where you live. Its not a matter of me getting me way. Just as you've freely shared your surname, occupation and town of residence on this forum too. Stop attempting to hypocritically ply the double-standard (again). I do realise however the complete and utter futilility of getting you people to admit to your pride. Quid pro quo, it seems equally futile us trying to get 'you' people to admit to your hypocrisy and ignorance. Doesn't matter, eventually the christian church will fade into obscurity where it belongs. Ha, ha, ha. Given the longevity of the Christian Church thus far, 'I don't think so' seems as good a response as any.

Ah yes, the glorious christian church and their litany of disaster. Oh but I forget with what glee you remember the sanctioned killings of those who refuse to embrace "the truth". How disappointed you must be that you were not alive when they still burnt people at the stake. The churches, with the possible exception of hill$ong are NOT chockers on any given sunday ian.

3. So address me, there is no need to use my surname. The person whom I address on this forum is Ms Tracey Santarelli of Wagga Wagga. How is this qualifiably different to your habit of posting my name, plus my rank, plus my occupation, and my academic qualifications at every given opportunity?

Plus the fact you are an unashamed (major) asshole. That is the most important bit!

4. Does your little mate eric not realise how embarrassing he is crawling up your bottom with his greek. That guy seems to have a SERIOUS mancrush on you. Eek. Clearly he's an excellent judge of character, then! However, another matter about which you're obviously ignorant is that you're naught but a 'jenny-come-lately' in discussions of this sort. Eric 'jousted' with me on the precursor to this forum for the better part of a decade. Unlike you, however, he eventually accepted the truth. Also unlike you Eric isn't a bitter, jaded, malicious and self-absorbed sort of person. His 'exuberance', then, is no doubt a normal part of his makeup.

Nah, just a little yes man, a great wormtongue to your voldemort. How does one get to the age he has without realising how embarrassing this crawling to the boss thing is? Who wants to get involved in boring exegesis. Its about as appealing as watching an espisode of home and away. But I guess it is one way to avoid the real issues of life. I'd hardly call it exuberance, he just loves it when you pat him on the head for getting it right, and wallows in your approval when he assists you putting the boot into the evil ones.

Finally, you need to understand is that I will outlast you, here. And I will continue to enjoy responding to your nonsense as I do so.


Ya think sunshine?


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Back again for another 'dose of reality', Ms Santarelli?

Ian you don't seem to either know or care that in the real world no one really cares about all this rubbish you waffle on with. Ummm, discussions of the sort that I engage in take place on this forum where many people do care about Christian teaching. Further, if my experience of discussing Christianity in the 'wider world' is any indication, the same is true more generally. As for how you think you 'value-add' to this place, meh, God himself probably wouldn't have a clue. And basically you can provide NO informed comment about me at all. Oh, but I can provide all sorts of informed commentary about you, m'dear. It's 'charity' that restrains me. Apply what ever phrase you like to it Ian, you are pretty weel representative of your ilk, in love with power and thats about it. It seems that you don't much like people who've earned a measure of success in life. Sour grapes?

Still, it wouldn't be your first time tilting at windmills.

Oh thats right, YOU know what I mean better than I do. 'No', I simply know better than you, period. Hehe, you really are such a dick. Prudence suggests that I should defer to your extensive experience of such appendages. Conclusively proven my lily white ass. In denial, much? Despite the fact you STILL think you are god's right hand man, you aren't. That's surprising, as I was given to understanding that Jesus has that particular role. I often wonder what particular pathology people like you who believe that actually have, and exactly what it is that causes you to need so much attention and approval from others for your "accomplishments"? The word is 'psychopathology', m'dear, and I don't seek out attention and/or approval for my accomplishments. It's usually people like you who have a problem with the achievements of others, which is probably why you are forever raising the issue.

Ah yes, the glorious christian church and their litany of disaster. Oh but I forget with what glee you remember the sanctioned killings of those who refuse to embrace "the truth". So you're ignorant of theology and history?! How disappointed you must be that you were not alive when they still burnt people at the stake. Who? The civil authorities? The churches, with the possible exception of hill$ong are NOT chockers on any given sunday ian. The churches are also far from being empty on Sundays. As a worldwide faith, Christianity appears to be growing at the rate of 2% per annum. Given that the worldwide 'growth' rate is still significantly higher than is the 'mortality' rate, don't be anticipating a 'demise' of my faith any time soon.

The person whom I address on this forum is Ms Tracey Santarelli of Wagga Wagga. How is this qualifiably different to your habit of posting my name, plus my rank, plus my occupation, and my academic qualifications at every given opportunity?

And the fact you are an unashamed (major) asshole. Thats the most important bit! Ha, ha, ha. That's the best repechage that you can muster?

Nah, just a little yes man, a great wormtongue to your voldemort. You don't have many friends, do you? It shows. How does one get to the age he has without realising how embarrassing this crawling to the boss thing is? I'd suggest that Eric isn't 'crawling', he's simply simply 'affirming'. Obviously, neither am I his boss. However, if you ever encounter someone who will agree with you,who'll affirm you, then I'm confident that you'll come to recognise the difference. Who wants to get involved in boring exegesis. Well certainly not people who are restrained by ignorance per the 'Revivalist' mindset. Unlike you, then, people who wish to avoid getting sucked into such nonsense again; those who wish to develop informed opinions on biblical subjects, generally take an interest in biblical exegesis. Its about as appealing as watching an espisode of home and away. And it's uninformed comments like this that go a long way towards explaining why you 'are' as you 'are'. But I guess it is one way to avoid the real issues of life. The 'real' issues of life, huh? Would you be surprised to discover that Scripture speaks to them? I'd hardly call it exuberance, he just loves it when you pat him on the head for getting it right, and wallows in your approval when he assists you putting the boot into the evil ones. Does anyone pat you on the head, Tracey? No ... I reckon you're far more accustomed to the 'heel'.

Finally, you need to understand is that I will outlast you, here. And I will continue to enjoy responding to your nonsense as I do so.

Ya think sunshine?

I reckon you can bank on the fact, angry little 'raincloud'.

Goose.

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Back again for another 'dose of reality', Ms Santarelli?

Ian you don't seem to either know or care that in the real world no one really cares about all this rubbish you waffle on with. Ummm, discussions of the sort that I engage in take place on this forum where many people do care about Christian teachings. And if my experience of discussing Christianity in the 'wider world' is any indication, the same is true, generally. And basically you can provide NO informed comment about me at all. Oh, but I can provide all sorts of informed commentary about you, m'dear. It's 'charity' that restrains me. Apply what ever phrase you like to it Ian, you are pretty weel representative of your ilk, in love with power and thats about it. It seems that you don't much like people who've earned a measure of success in life. Sour grapes?

Yeah people are discussing christian teaching everywhere, shiopping centres, street corners, the media is full of it. You can provide commentary, not of it informed, most of it conjecture and all coloured by the nasty pit of horrors that is your soul. I don't hink much of people who think their achievements make them superior to others, no. Charity, no Ian, its just that you don't want to reveal to others here what a nasty piece of work you really are.

Oh thats right, YOU know what I mean better than I do. 'No', I simply know better than you, period. Hehe, you really are such a dick. Prudence suggests that I should defer to your extensive experience of such appendages. Conclusively proven my lily white ass. In denial, much? Despite the fact you STILL think you are god's right hand man, you aren't. That's surprising, as I was given to understanding that Jesus has that particular role. I often wonder what particular pathology people like you who believe that actually have, and exactly what it is that causes you to need so much attention and approval from others for your "accomplishments"? The word is 'psychopathology', m'dear, and I don't seek out attention and/or approval for my accomplishments. It's usually people like you who have a problem with the achievements of others, which is probably why you are forever raising the issue.

No you don 't know better than me ian. I find it amusing that you find my extensive experience of penises a disadvantage :) One day I may tell you how said knowledge gives me more of an insight into your day to day life than you realise. You think you know better what goes on around you ian?? You don't. So if you don't seek out accolades for your so called accomplishments why are we always hearing about them being the very reason we should listen to you?

Ah yes, the glorious christian church and their litany of disaster. Oh but I forget with what glee you remember the sanctioned killings of those who refuse to embrace "the truth". So you're ignorant of theology and history?! How disappointed you must be that you were not alive when they still burnt people at the stake. Who? The civil authorities? The churches, with the possible exception of hill$ong are NOT chockers on any given sunday ian. The churches are also far from being empty on Sundays. As a worldwide faith, Christianity appears to be growing at the rate of 8% per annum. Given that the worldwide 'growth' rate is still significantly higher than is the 'mortality' rate, don't be anticipating a 'demise' of my faith any time soon.

You just keep telling yourself that ian. You christians love living in your own little bubble where you are the centre of the universe. But only to yourselves.

And the fact you are an unashamed (major) asshole. Thats the most important bit! Ha, ha, ha. That's the best repechage that you can muster? Nope, the issue is whether I can be bothered or not. I can't.

Nah, just a little yes man, a great wormtongue to your voldemort. You don't have many friends, do you? It shows. How does one get to the age he has without realising how embarrassing this crawling to the boss thing is? I'd suggest that Eric isn't 'crawling', he's simply simply 'affirming'. Obviously, neither am I his boss. However, if you ever encounter someone who will agree with you,who'll affirm you, then I'm confident that you'll come to recognise the difference. Who wants to get involved in boring exegesis. Well certainly not people who are restrained by ignorance per the 'Revivalist' mindset. Unlike you, then, people who wish to avoid getting sucked into such nonsense again; those who wish to develop informed opinions on biblical subjects, generally take an interest in biblical exegesis. Its about as appealing as watching an espisode of home and away. And it's uninformed comments like this that go a long way towards explaining why you 'are' as you 'are'. But I guess it is one way to avoid the real issues of life. The 'real' issues of life, huh? Would you be surprised to discover that Scripture speaks to them? I'd hardly call it exuberance, he just loves it when you pat him on the head for getting it right, and wallows in your approval when he assists you putting the boot into the evil ones. Does anyone pat you on the head, Tracey? No ... I reckon you're far more accustomed to the 'heel'.

I have a sufficient amount of real friends. I no longer have pretend christian ones. Eric is a typical sycophant. I don't need people to agree with me or affirm me, I have found out how "real" group approval is. My mindset has nothing to do with revival. It has everything to do with watching abuse of power and hating it. Don't need pats on the head, and though many have tried to call me to heel, none have succeeded.

Finally, you need to understand is that I will outlast you, here. And I will continue to enjoy responding to your nonsense as I do so.

Ya think sunshine?

I reckon you can bank on the fact, angry little 'raincloud'.

We shall see, self congratulating paternalistic empty vessel.


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Tracey, keep on leading with that chin of yours.

Yeah people are discussing christian teaching everywhere, shiopping centres, street corners, the media is full of it. Such seems to be the case, 'yes'. I'd probably have three or four good discussions about Christianity a week, whether at work, or socialising with non-Christian friends, or responding to people proselytising on Baylis Street. For example, just this week I read in an Australian scientific journal in the library at CSU that 60% of Australians believed in 'special creation' (and theistic evolution) over the remaining 40% who believed in naturalistic theories of evolution. You can provide commentary, not of it informed, most of it conjecture and all coloured by the nasty pit of horrors that is your soul. Hardly. You're a very well known entity in this town, so what I choose not to share is first-hand information, derived from reliable people, those who had direct knowledge and/or involvement in your unfortunate incidents. By contrast, the 'spin' that you've attempted to propagate on this forum doesn't even begin to do justice to the actual facts. I don't hink much of people who think their achievements make them superior to others, no. I reckon it's much more than that. I reckon you suffer from an inferiority complex; consequently you have an innate loathing for people who've enjoyed moderate success in life. You'd much rather that everyone was your equal, I suppose. Charity, no Ian, its just that you don't want to reveal to others here what a nasty piece of work you really are. Obviously I couldn't even begin to compete with you on that score; further, I'm clearly far more capable of bridling my tongue. 'Christian' 279: 'lionness' 0.

No you don 't know better than me ian. According to whom? You? I find it amusing that you find my extensive experience of penises a disadvantage. If you were a Urologist, I would see the advantage. However, being a largely ignorant woman, one who formerly (and loudly) claimed an extensive pedigree as a 'Christian', I can't. What was the claim again? That you loved Jesus and was a believer from the age of nine upwards? One day I may tell you how said knowledge gives me more of an insight into your day to day life than you realise. I think you can spare me that insight. After all, I'm fitted 'with' and not 'for', so I probably have a much better understanding of the issue than you think, and that in spite of your 'professional' competence. You think you know better what goes on around you ian?? You don't. I know better than you, and that's sufficient for the moment. If you believe differently, you could have yet another go at trying to prove me wrong. Given your history thus far, however, 'good luck' with that score. So if you don't seek out accolades for your so called accomplishments why are we always hearing about them being the very reason we should listen to you? But are you, though? Troll through this forum and locate examples of me 'beating my own drum' with respect to my qualifications. 'Physical challenge'.

Given that the worldwide 'growth' rate is still significantly higher than is the 'mortality' rate, don't be anticipating a 'demise' of my faith any time soon.

You just keep telling yourself that ian. I don't have to. These are statistics that are readily obtainable from several sources on the internet. You christians love living in your own little bubble where you are the centre of the universe. But only to yourselves. Actually, we Christians are at the 'centre' of God's universe.

I have a sufficient amount of real friends. Really? I no longer have pretend christian ones. 'Yes', you've been rather successful at managing to alienate every Christian who ever knew you. Certainly in Wagga, at least. Eric is a typical sycophant. Why? Because he's 'smarter' than you? I don't need people to agree with me or affirm me, I have found out how "real" group approval is. That's a lucky thing, I suppose, as I just don't see too many people lining up to either support or affirm you. My mindset has nothing to do with revival. In part that's true. You were certainly ignorant before you became a Revivalist, but you've well-and-truly mastered the misplaced arrogance, since. It has everything to do with watching abuse of power and hating it. 'No', not at all. Just as is the case with Revivalism, you hate being corrected; being proven wrong. Don't need pats on the head, and though many have tried to call me to heel, none have succeeded. Sadly, not even Christ. However, it wasn't 'calling you to heel' that I was inferring.

Finally, you need to understand is that I will outlast you, here. And I will continue to enjoy responding to your nonsense as I do so.

Ya think sunshine? I reckon you can bank on the fact, angry little 'raincloud'.

We shall see, self congratulating paternalistic empty vessel. You really are a little 'burst of sunshine and happiness', aren't you? Is it the bitterness that feeds your nasty ol' meanstreak, or is this simply your normal behaviour? I'm wagering on the latter being the case, myself.

Goose.

Ian

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