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Here you go guys, a whole new thread dedicated to the two of you.
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"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
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All my life ppl have said to me, Tracey, people want to be led, stops them from having to think for themselves. I have never understood that, and I never will. I'm outta here, but before I go, I would like to address John's little paragraph of horror.

The smart ones like me, when women shove their "feminist" opinions down my throat, as their employer, I like many, both men and women, cull them from the herd. Without fuss, without bother. We speak (my management and I) of the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

1. Everyone is equal and deserves to have an opinion John, whether you agree with it or not
2. Your opinion is not more important than anyone elses
3. People are not cattle, to be "culled". Anyone who thinks they are, is less than human themselves
4. If one feels comfortable disposing of other human beings without fuss or bother, then they probably need to spend a LOT more time on their knees
5. If a person thinks it is okay to glory in the fact they have the gold, they also need to spend a lot more time on their knees
6. That one would even contemplate disposing of others based on the fact they are in a position of superiority by virtue of power and wealth is abhorrent.


And you people wonder why we have nothing in common.

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Think about what had to be in place to put Jesus on the cross. Religious politics, fear, herd behaviour, the typical human reaction of covering one's own backside. Jesus threatened the religious order of the day. He could care less about it because it had become a matter of outward show, but no inward devotion and love for God. They killed him because he was a threat to their "authority". He was god, and even the religious leaders of the day could not recognise him.

We are asked to put on the mind of Christ, to rise above our petty rubbish, feeding our egos, our need to impress each other with our "credibility" to be humble, gentle and poor in spirit. How can the love of god reach anyone who already thinks they have all the answers? In two thousand years humans haven't changed, but christ calls us to do so.

At the end of his life not one of his disciples had the guts to stand by him, not one, after everything they had seen and heard. The question for us is, will we live in courage, really look at the life and experience of christ, and truly admit to ourselves who we are or follow the herd through fear?
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Good morning, Galien.

I have no problem with bluntness urch, clearly I myself am very blunt. How come in the time I have been here, hardly anyone has commented on the fact Ian has done nothing but called me names:

Probably because I've not called you names, and probably because each and every time I've pointed out a character, ethical or moral failing on your part, I've done so by appealing to Scripture. It's the "gold standard" used by Christians for precisely this purpose, as it were.

In case you hadn't noticed, each and every post that you regale us with is nothing more than a further attempt to justify why you shouldn't comply with biblical teaching. This isn't now, and never has been an issue about me, the messenger. At it's core the problem is about you rejecting the message! Make me out to be the 'bogey-man', I don't care. But you should care that what you model isn't what Scripture demands of you.

So let's consider your various slanders.

hypocrite

Well, you are a hypocrite. You continue to attack and judge me against criteria that you fail to apply yourself, and fail to be held accountable against.

liar (several times)

Yes, and proven by clear examples at the time. By the way, you've yet to respond to the fact that the Apostle John, in Scripture, identifies you to be a liar too.

ignorant

Indeed. An established fact. You simply don't know about historic and orthodox Christianity or Christian teaching.

arrogant

Surprised? Any person who point-blank refuses to consider the evidence that disproves their opinions is arrogant.

self centred

And self-absorbed. Everything seems to be about you, doesn't it?

egotistical

In spades.

self involved

You disagree? Go back and reflect upon previous posts, and note how often you use the first-person pronoun, "I" to justify your actions. Of course, others have pointed this out to you too, haven't they?

self righteous

Christian righteousness derives from God, and is dependent upon obedience. You contend tooth-and-nail that you don't need to obey, so what's your "righteousness" borne from, then?

it would be more use having a converstation with a rock than it would with me

Not quite. As I recall, I said that I would receive more intelligent responses from having a conversation with a rock. 

rebellious

Doubtless. Christians don't have the option of deciding not to comply with God's directions and requirements. Read your Bible and you'll discover that such action is labeled, "rebellion".

fool

Another lie? I've never called you a fool. Go back and have a look at yesterday's CBox, and you'll soon discover that what I said was: "Galien reminds me of the "fool" discussed in proverbs". If you'd care to know why, then a quick browse through Proverbs 1 might prove illuminating.

not a christian

You're not. "Christian" means "follower of Christ", and is a corporate word. To be a "follower" one actually needs to "follow", something that you're not prepared to do.

disobedient

You are disobedient. How else would you describe someone who disobeys God's Word inscripturated.

stupid

Well now, I don't remember ever saying that.

told I am not a chrstian practically every single day

And rightly so, because your protestations to the contrary aside, you're not a Christian.

... and if had the time or could be bothered going back through cbox and forum I could find many other examples, not just said to me, but to others.

And you're welcome to. I don't tickle peoples' ears with soft words and gentle caresses, as the issues are far too important, having eternal consequences. Furthermore, I don't find any examples in Scripture of outright disobedience and rebellion being handled with velvet gloves.

How come hardly anyone ever asks Ian to stop speaking to people that way but me? Is there one set of rules for him and one for the rest of us?

And here we see another example of your hypocrisy kicking in. To begin with, I've never suggested that different rules must necessarily apply to me. I've always welcomed and encouraged engagement in like kind. However, unlike you, I don't "personalise" issues: I target the problem, you target the person. Second, since when have you ever played by the rules, here? (Or anywhere else for that matter? You've quite proudly boasted on previous occasions that you refuse to play by "society's" rules, because you don't agree with them).

Why is that? Is that what is expected from christian teachers?

What is expected from Christian teachers is teaching that is based, warp-and-weft, on the Bible and its message. What is expected of Christians is the acceptance of biblical teaching. I don't now and never have posted as a representative of any church, denomination, institution or organisation. I'm but one man who is educated and knowledgeable about the issues that this site approaches, and who is prepared to present, and defend, his views from Scripture. Anyone can challenge anything I say, but such a one had better be prepared to provide more than just a personal opinion as justification.

So that you understand my approach better, I will engage in either polemics or irenics depending on the situation. When people are open to what God's Word presents, and are prepared to be civil, then irenics is the order of the day. I started with just such an approach towards you. However due to your profound inability to avoid personalising matters, coupled with your remarkable level of self-justification and misplaced arrogance, it soon became clear to me that polemics was probably more appropriate. If you want to contend against God's Word rather than learn from it, so be it, I'm more than happy to oblige you in like kind.

You bet I am one angry little christian about now.

You're one angry little something, but "Christian" doesn't fit. Christianity, remember, is on Christ's terms and not yours.

Ian

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Galien,

You warn, quite wisely, about the risks of "group think" or what NASA experienced some years ago as "go fever".

You *also* need to take on board the concept of teamwork or what has been termed "the wisdom of the group" ... which has also been validated by psychological studies. In the bible, I believe, it's incorporated in the practice of "koinonia".

BTW, frankly, if you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have walked straight out the door as soon as we understood the "revivalist" "salvation message". We didn't, we bore the consequences of that foolishness, we now need to learn wisdom.
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Ah, Spangler.

Drive by rat bags, Not all can be as righteous you, but if you guys think Ian has a God given calling may God have Mercy on your souls.You are just the same as revival abusers just as judgemental.They think they are right too.Jesus said love your enemies.

Rushing to join Galien in the hypocrisy stakes? If you believe there are some who are failing to model the sort of "love" that Jesus requires of Christians (and I'd suggest that you have a closer look at what's intended on that particular score), then shouldn't you be careful to do so, yourself?

Blessings,

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Galien,

You warn, quite wisely, about the risks of "group think" or what NASA experienced some years ago as "go fever".

You *also* need to take on board the concept of teamwork or what has been termed "the wisdom of the group" ... which has also been validated by psychological studies. In the bible, I believe, it's incorporated in the practice of "koinonia".

Teamwork I have no problem with.

BTW, frankly, if you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have walked straight out the door as soon as we understood the "revivalist" "salvation message". We didn't, we bore the consequences of that foolishness, we now need to learn wisdom.

Talmid, I have no issue with sound historial biblical christianity. I have a problem with people who exercise it the same way as the revivals exercise their organisation. Bullies, i believe they call them. Do you really think after my revival experience I am going to allow anyone to bully me where the things of god are concerned?

It is not correct to believe the only thing wrong with revival was their theology.
A lot of the problem there was the kind of person they attracted. Men who were not that successful in life generally who enjoyed being big fish in little ponds. probably the only power they had experienced in their lives and they went crazy with it. Going to an orhodox church does not mean you will not meet up with bullies. They are everywhere, and we have all worked with them and worshipped beside them.

To be honest, in revival I never got as far as questioning the theology, because I remained completely gobsmacked for the whole nine years that so called christians felt the need to bully others, then used the holy word of god to justify that. That particular practice will always make me sick to my stomach no matter where i find it.

Jesus said learn from me for I am gentle and humble in heart. He was NOT a bully, yet some people seem to think that is what he modelled. Can't see it myself.

Look I know the bullies of this world won't change. They get off on their power, why would they want to let it go, particulalry when they use the bible to justify it? Not to many people want to go up against that, because they are never quite sure whether they are fighting god or not. Just seems very very sad to me that even after a revival experience, some people will just not let their need for power over others go, to the detriment of others.
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Galien,

Still making excuses to justify your behaviour, huh?

Talmid, I have no issue with sound historial biblical christianity. I have a problem with people who exercise it the same way as the revivals exercise their organisation. Bullies, i believe they call them. Do you really think after my revival experience I am going to allow anyone to bully me where the things of god are concerned?

Helloooo! This isn't a church, it's a forum, a place for discussing and debating ideas. Furthermore, no one can "bully" you to do anything that you don't want to do. And that's the core issue, you don't want to do what Scripture says you must do, and you get cranky when people point this out.

Jesus said learn from me for I am gentle and humble in heart. He was NOT a bully, yet some people seem to think that is what he modelled. Can't see it myself.

Still misquoting and misapplying the Bible like a Revivalist, huh? Read Matthew 11 from verse 28 and up to verse 30. Changes things, doesn't it? Then flip over to John 2:13-18 and have a gander. Jesus, Jesus, meek and mild

Look I know the bullies of this world won't change. They get off on their power, why would they want to let it go, particulalry when they use the bible to justify it? Not to many people want to go up against that, because they are never quite sure whether they are fighting god or not. Just seems very very sad to me that even after a revival experience, some people will just not let their need for power over others go, to the detriment of others.

Really? You like to blame me, but what "power" do I have? What "authority" have I grasped? What "position" have I lusted after? Now, who is it, do you think, who is fighting against God? Who refuses to yield and submit to his Word? Me? Or you?

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Still making excuses to justify your behaviour, huh?

Ah yes, the pure evil of not going to church. Guess I'm off to hell then hey.

Helloooo! This isn't a church, it's a forum, a place for discussing and debating ideas. Furthermore, no one can "bully" you to do anything that you don't want to do. And that's the core issue, you don't want to do what Scripture says you must do, and you get cranky when people point this out.

Whereever two or three are gathered in my name, I am there in their midst. We are the church Ian, not that building you lob up to.

Still misquoting and misapplying the Bible like a Revivalist, huh? Read Matthew 11 from verse 28 and up to verse 30. Changes things, doesn't it? Then flip over to John 2:13-18 and have a gander. Jesus, Jesus, meek and mild

Changes nothing.

Look I know the bullies of this world won't change. They get off on their power, why would they want to let it go, particulalry when they use the bible to justify it? Not to many people want to go up against that, because they are never quite sure whether they are fighting god or not. Just seems very very sad to me that even after a revival experience, some people will just not let their need for power over others go, to the detriment of others.

Really? You like to blame me, but what "power" do I have? What "authority" have I grasped? What "position" have I lusted after? Now, who is it, do you think, who is fighting against God? Who refuses to yield and submit to his Word? Me? Or you?

You know very well what power you have Ian. Don't play innocent. You believe that "christian authority" has traditionally passed down to you and it is up to you to assess and judge others. How is that not having power over them?

A person's faith is one of the deepest parts of them. You and I both know how easy that is to manipulate Ian.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Galien

To be honest, in revival I never got as far as questioning the theology, because I remained completely gobsmacked for the whole nine years that so called christians felt the need to bully others, then used the holy word of god to justify that.

If you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have *listened* to the regular (usually weekly) teaching that "no tongues => no Spirit" and realised that it contradicted the bible. If we were in a place of "bullying" that was not corrected we would have seen that contradicted the bible. Either would have been sufficient to send us out the door asap.
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Talmid

To be honest, in revival I never got as far as questioning the theology, because I remained completely gobsmacked for the whole nine years that so called christians felt the need to bully others, then used the holy word of god to justify that.

If you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have *listened* to the regular (usually weekly) teaching that "no tongues => no Spirit" and realised that it contradicted that Christianity. If we were in a place of bullying that was not corrected we would have seen that contradicted the bible. Either way we would have been out the door asap.


Back in those days I was a blubbering heap of neurosis who was not capable of making a rational decision. I was extremely traumatised by the time i hit revival and instead of sending me off for the help I needed, they tried to counsel me themselves and they just made me worse.  I stayed in revival because I loved my brethren like my family and I knew losing them would shred me, and it did. I stayed for nine years before they booted me out, because at that time in my life I didn't have the strength or the sense to walk away. I believed if I tried hard enough and loved hard enough that things would change. Back then I believed that god was in control and in time he would deal with everything. Isn't that what revival oversight tell you, and you are just meant to be content with that.

It has taken me a long, long time and a lot of pain to learn how to walk away and stay away from things that are not healthy for me. It is still a struggle coz there is still a part of me that wants to believe if I love enough.......etc etc. I am an idealist at heart. Silly me.


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Galien,

This keeps getting better!

Helloooo! This isn't a church, it's a forum, a place for discussing and debating ideas. Furthermore, no one can "bully" you to do anything that you don't want to do. And that's the core issue, you don't want to do what Scripture says you must do, and you get cranky when people point this out.

Whereever two or three are gathered in my name, I am there in their midst. We are the church Ian, not that building you lob up to.

Bzzzzz! Wrong! Read Matthew 18:15-20 in full, this time. The context of the passage is about the congregation exercising discipline in Christ's name! It says nothing about two or three people constituting the/a "church"! Next try reading Paul's epistles. Therein you'll find that to him the "church" is the locally congregated community of believers, "participating" (i.e. 'Koinonia') in the preaching of God's Word in common, the partaking of Communion in common, and the exercising of discipline in common.

Still misquoting and misapplying the Bible like a Revivalist, huh? Read Matthew 11 from verse 28 and up to verse 30. Changes things, doesn't it? Then flip over to John 2:13-18 and have a gander. Jesus, Jesus, meek and mild.

Changes nothing.

Ya reckon?! Every time that you quote a biblical passage, and try to interpret it in order to justify your beliefs or actions, you screw up and get caught out. And you feel that you shouldn't be part of the Church, why?

Really? You like to blame me, but what "power" do I have? What "authority" have I grasped? What "position" have I lusted after? Now, who is it, do you think, who is fighting against God? Who refuses to yield and submit to his Word? Me? Or you?

You know very well what power you have Ian. Don't play innocent. You believe that "christian authority" has traditionally passed down to you and it is up to you to assess and judge others. How is that not having power over them?

In a word, "bollocks". The one authority, the only authority that I go on (and on, and on ...) about is Scripture. The one measure, the only measure that I use to assess claims to being Christian, or claims to representing Christian orthodoxy is ... wait for it ... Scripture.

A person's faith is one of the deepest parts of them. You and I both know how easy that is to manipulate Ian.

And who says that your faith is actually Christian?

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Galien,

Given how consistently wrong you prove yourself to be, perhaps you should be yawning less, and listening more? This "blah, blah, blah" as you put it, is God's Word for and to you too, don't you know smiley9

How many people have to tell you that you're mistaken, wrong, in error, inconsistent etcetera vis. your claimed "beliefs" vs. your "actions" before you sit up and actually take notice? (I.e. there's been me, John, Shoes, Urch, HG, Eric, Talmid, Ralph, RDP, Chips, etc over the past few months) Is everyone gulity of "ganging up" on you do you think? Is everyone guilty of trying to "bully" you do you think? Or is it just me?

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Galien,

Your powers of misinterpretation are consistently bizarre.

1. Everyone is equal and deserves to have an opinion John, whether you agree with it or not.

Everyone is not equal, in life or my company. Someone has to lead. I seldom have to direct my managers, I chose them specifically for their ability to manage without being nursemaided. I was talking about (and you know it) opinions that annoy others and are offered as an excuse for poor performance and letting down the team.

2. Your opinion is not more important than anyone elses.

In my company they are, when they and cause us to lose business
effect peoples livelihoods!

3. People are not cattle, to be "culled". Anyone who thinks they are, is less than human themselves.

When people act like rogue cattle they are "culled" after warnings and counselling and if they choose to ignore such, then they are sacked, culled, "let go" or whatever you want to call it. Do you understand the words "responsibility" "outcomes" or "consequences"?

4. If one feels comfortable disposing of other human beings without fuss or bother, then they probably need to spend a LOT more time on their knees.

Again you read into things what you want. Where did I say there was no fuss or bother? Most of my staff have been with me for a lot of years. I must be doing something right. I even have two generations of one family working for me. By the way my company turns 21 in a few weeks. I don't reckon you'd last a week here. We talk about a "culture", a culture of interacting and working together for a common goal ..... service to our customers. You'd hate that, our customers probably wouldn't understand that what they want doesn't matter, they should instead only think of what might not fit in with how you feel at the time.

5. If a person thinks it is okay to glory in the fact they have the gold, they also need to spend a lot more time on their knee.

It was a cliche referring to obeying rules. Either you know that or I will have to find some way to write on here in crayon for your benefit.

6. That one would even contemplate disposing of others based on the fact they are in a position of superiority by virtue of power and wealth is abhorrent.

Again you conjure bizarre meanings into too much, which is sad. I could consider that you are conniving, malicious and spiteful, for a little while longer I would rather try to think you are naive.

And you people wonder why we have nothing in common.

No, I do not wonder at all, we have nothing in common, because you alienate yourself, lashing out at anyone you choose with the excuse that their are behaving as a Revivalist.

Your behaviour reminds me of authoritarian, self opinionated, unchallengeable so-called pastors in the sub sects of Revivalism I encountered. I think more of Revivalism became ingrained in you than you realise.

I will pray for you, as I have prayed for you. As I said to Ian in the shoutbox, you remind me of me, how I was and how I still am in some ways. But unlike you, I am not proud of it, and I want to change!

John
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Galien,

Really? Just me? Is there any reason, then, that you won't heed what the others tell you?

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John

Your powers of misinterpretation are consistently bizarre.

I think you will find it is the underlying assumptions I question. I know we are not SUPPOSED to do that, but I do.

1. Everyone is equal and deserves to have an opinion John, whether you agree with it or not.

Everyone is not equal, in life or my company. Someone has to lead. I seldom have to direct my managers, I chose them specifically for their ability to manage without being nursemaided. I was talking about (and you know it) opinions that annoy others and are offered as an excuse for poor performance and letting down the team.

Well dude it is all in the perception isnt it really. If people are all equal in my esteem they just are. Christ died for us all equally, everyone is my neighbour, and I do not have to accept the insane pecking order that most people subscribe to.

2. Your opinion is not more important than anyone elses.

In my company they are, when they and cause us to lose business
effect peoples livelihoods!

Well geez get a better employment agency!


3. People are not cattle, to be "culled". Anyone who thinks they are, is less than human themselves.

When people act like rogue cattle they are "culled" after warnings and counselling and if they choose to ignore such, then they are sacked, culled, "let go" or whatever you want to call it. Do you understand the words "responsibility" "outcomes" or "consequences"?

See above. where DO you find these people? I understand all of these concepts John, quite well.


4. If one feels comfortable disposing of other human beings without fuss or bother, then they probably need to spend a LOT more time on their knees.

Again you read into things what you want. Where did I say there was no fuss or bother? Most of my staff have been with me for a lot of years. I must be doing something right. I even have two generations of one family working for me. By the way my company turns 21 in a few weeks. I don't reckon you'd last a week here. We talk about a "culture", a culture of interacting and working together for a common goal ..... service to our customers. You'd hate that, our customers probably wouldn't understand that what they want doesn't matter, they should instead only think of what might not fit in with how you feel at the time.

Well seeing you know nothing about my work ethic, it probably was a silly comment. I have always been a kind, lovely, go the extra mile person when it comes to helping others. If I believe everyone is my neighbour, why would I be any other way? Part of that non existent christianity of mine.

5. If a person thinks it is okay to glory in the fact they have the gold, they also need to spend a lot more time on their knee.

It was a cliche referring to obeying rules. Either you know that or I will have to find some way to write on here in crayon for your benefit.

Make it purple, its my favourite. it may have been a throwaway line John but we both know how much trouble it causes.

Again you conjure bizarre meanings into too much, which is sad. I could consider that you are conniving, malicious and spiteful, for a little while longer I would rather try to think you are naive.

Probably naive, certainly not the other things. But John, if being naive means not hardening my heart, not accepting things that are unacceptable, then call me what ever.


No, I do not wonder at all, we have nothing in common, because you alienate yourself, lashing out at anyone you choose with the excuse that their are behaving as a Revivalist.

Your behaviour reminds me of authoritarian, self opinionated, unchallengeable so-called pastors in the sub sects of Revivalism I encountered. I think more of Revivalism became ingrained in you than you realise.

He he, its more likely to be the way I was dragged up actually. Housing commission upbringings are quite the adventure, especially for a young christian girl. I don't lash out at everyone, only bullies.

I will pray for you, as I have prayed for you. As I said to Ian in the shoutbox, you remind me of me, how I was and how I still am in some ways. But unlike you, I am not proud of it, and I want to change!

Thank you, by all means pray, I need all the help I can get. But I am not you John. You have your reasons for reacting the way you do, I have mine. If I truly believe, as I do that all people are equal, then someone comes along and tries to tell me they are better or more important for any reason, I'm hardly likely to find them credible really am I. I will not be brought under bondage again. The yoke of jesus is easy and light, not heavy and hard. It was never meant to be either of those things.

For the record John, I think you are a kind, generous and honest person, and trust me i'm almost impossible to impress.  They are pretty hard to come by in this day and age. Go you!
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Ian,

Really? Just me? Is there any reason, then, that you won't heed what the others tell you?

Because I simply do not believe that God would reject me because I choose not to go to church.
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Galien,

Really? Just me? Is there any reason, then, that you won't heed what the others tell you?

Because I simply do not believe that God would reject me because I choose not to go to church.

Yes. You can't be bothered actually checking what you think is God's position on the matter, against his what his Word records is his position on the matter. Perhaps you should carefully rethink this head-in-the-sand 'ostrich'-like approach, as it's you who rejects God, when you choose to disobey him. Christianity is on Christ's terms, not yours.

Finally, this isn't about going to Church. It's about being part of the Church.

Ian

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Hi, Glad.

Thanks, but it's probably not necessary. Galien will no doubt eventually do what all 'catty' types do when they finally realise that they simply can't sustain their arguments with anything approaching facts: 'spray' the place with a foul stench and leave

Hmmm. Still, lots of people have pointed out to her that she's mistaken, and she's still here, so maybe the ModGod might wish to clean up this thread and give it a new home after all? But I don't think the ex-GRC whiners will appreciate you placing this space under a GRC header smiley9

Blessings,

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     Ah, but Ian, you and Galien have been using the GRC site to spar in, SO, I thought a dedicated thread would be good.

Seems that not many, if any, GRCers, ex or otherwise, are using the site anymore.

The ModGod can get rid of it if he/she likes. -- I think that I was just a bit bored, miserable weather here and all that.

Cheers,

Glad      smiley4
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As I posted the other day, even after a cannibal ate Galien, she would disagree with him. Still, she sure makes me appreciate my wife even more!
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John,

As I posted the other day, even after a cannibal ate Galien, she would disagree with him. Still, she sure makes me appreciate my wife even more!

Glad to be of service. And do you know, there is a school of thought which believes if two people never disagree, then one of them is probably superfluous.

Luv u long time
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Galien,

Glad to be of service. And do you know, there is a school of thought which believes if two people never disagree, then one of them is probably superfluous.

However the Bible talks of people who are in agreement are of, one accord, or in the case of marriage, the two are one flesh. No superfluity mentioned in the Bible. No sireee. Jesus spoke of He and the Father being one. Jesus talked of Him being in us. He spoke to Peter and the other disciples, of looking out for one another.

That is why we are to meant to fellowship.....church....ekklesia...that's the way He wanted it. It's the way it's meant to be. Without it we are vulnerable and undernourished. We are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it's a commandment.

You know commandments, they are the things God tells us to do, they are good for us to obey, because He knows more than us what is good for us.

Jesus went as far as to say that if we love him, we will keep his commandments ...... if we love him ....if.....

His commandments are not grievous are they?

You wouldn't be silly enough to disobey Him because it didn't suit you, would you?

John
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However the Bible talks of people who are in agreement are of, one accord, or in the case of marriage, the two are one flesh. No superfluity mentioned in the Bible. No sireee. Jesus spoke of He and the Father being one. Jesus talked of Him being in us. He spoke to Peter and the other disciples, of looking out for one another.

You know John there is life, and there are concepts OUTSIDE the Bible, and I am not afraid of them. Looking out for one another. Now there is an interesting concept. I am yet to see that on a deep level int he church, only the odd rare occasion.

That is why we are to meant to fellowship.....church....ekklesia...that's the way He wanted it. It's the way it's meant to be. Without it we are vulnerable and undernourished. We are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it's a commandment.

I don't believe it is a "commandment". The very fact the bible mentions some people were already avoiding fellowship even back then speaks volumes. People in groups are painful John. Some people can handle it, some can't . Can you imagine me in a church with an Ian? Been there, done that.  What is the point of me constantly arguing over the very need for top down heirarchy in the body of christ BEFORE we even get close to anything else? Humans and their need for pecking order annoy the hell out of me. I simply cannot abide the politics. For me it cheapens god, all the more when people use the word of god to justify it. You and I know full well I would get kicked out of every church I went anywhere near. They are not changing their ways of doing things and my distaste for stupid human behaviour isnt changing either.

You know commandments, they are the things God tells us to do, they are good for us to obey, because He knows more than us what is good for us.

As I said, the word commandment is not in the verse that says it. To me a commandment is something we MUST do, and as I have said before, I know what I need to do to maintain the small shreds of sanity christians have kindly left me. But christians don't care about that stuff, my heart, soul and mental health are side issues, as long as I do what I am told, that is the only issue really isn't it? Have you any idea how many people there are in this life permanently alienated from chrches because of exactly that attitude. I know many christians of longstanding - over 20 years - who are SO tired of the bull in churches they won't go back. It isn't just me. Churches will use you up and spit you out, they have become like corporations. The people don't matter, just what they can do for the organisation.

I believe that the god I know and love would not reject me for protecting my own mental health. If he does, then he has been an illusion these last 40 years. If he were to reject me, then thats okay too. I have no interest in a god that is that small. But as I have said John I believe he is much bigger than to have his equilibirum disturbed by where my bum sits on a Sunday. We are judged on the content of our heart, and I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

He knows my heart, NO ONE else does, think what you will.

After having had my soul raped by revival, I will NEVER let another human being take away my confidence in my lord and my god again, no matter how you lot try. Imagine the consequences for me if I were to allow you to do that.



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Galien,

The passage, "... do not forsake the gathering together of the assembly..." in Hebrews 10:25 is an imperatival statement in Greek. In other words, it is a command; it's not optional; it's something that we must do! If you bent the knee to Christ, and submitted to decent Christian teaching (i.e. the kind that one finds in an orthodox church), then you'd learn enough to avoid making so many biblically ignorant and generally stupid comments (of the sort that fly in the face of the facts).

And as for your quip to John about the very real likelihood of you being booted from every church that you'd enter, you might like to consider that out-and-out rebellion generally results in eventual dis-fellowshipping. Such is perfectly biblical a thing for churches to do, as such protects the sheep from the horns of the goats. The fact is that you'd need to be brought down a 'peg' or several in order to learn that it's not all about you, that your opinions aren't necessarily valid, and that Christianity and Christian fellowship remains on Christ's terms, not yours.

Ian

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Galien,

The statement, "... forsake not the assembling of yourselves together..." is an imperative in Greek. In other words, it is a command; it's not optional; it's something that we must do!

Ian


so the name is "Tracey" ... so Tracey which part of Aussie are you from ? and which revivalist group did the dirty on you ?

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Meta,

so the name is "Tracey" ... so Tracey which part of Aussie are you from ? and which revivalist group did the dirty on you ?

I'm from Wagga, and it was a revival centre.
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 Hi Tracey

 Did you do your time in the Wagga Revival Centre "under" (so to speak) Cor Smit, with the Burketts as his henchmen?

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Thommo,

Did you do your time in the Wagga Revival Centre "under" (so to speak) Cor Smit, with the Burketts as his henchmen?

Sure did. 1985 to 1993. I still have nightmares about Leigh Burkett. And yes Coarse Wit and I were great mates as you can imagine. I am still pretty friendly with Leigh's sister Kellee, but as for the rest of the Burketts what has happened to them since leaving has been pretty bizarre.
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Tracey

From memory Cor was a nasty misogynist with short persons syndrome. I had a bit to do with the Wagga mob when I was a little tacker, I found them all to be strange! I remember a guy called David Raply(sp?) What happened to the Burketts post Revival?

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Tommo and all,

Why is it do you think that the Revival groups change people so much?   It's like a bending of the mind in the name of unity.  I've seen lively, happy, vibrant people come in and in a very short time they are quite changed into rather sombre human beings.  All those meetings, and the Revivalist only associations are definitely a ploy to get into the mind.

Epi
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Thommo

From memory Cor was a nasty misogynist with short persons syndrome. I had a bit to do with the Wagga mob when I was a little tacker, I found them all to be strange! I remember a guy called David Raply(sp?) What happened to the Burketts post Revival?

That about covers Cor. He is back terrorising them again in Wagga. In early 1993 he was sent to Canberra but no one knew why (of course). I have heard rublings regarding improper dealings with children, but who knows? Leigh Burkett took over, at the time he had very bad neuralgia from being hit in the head with a brick (no I didn't throw it but the temptation was almost overwhelming at times). He was addicted to painkillers which made his behaviour quite strange and he was already a dictator and completely full of himself. He is a worse misogynist than Cor ever was. He was the one who put me out, and called me a swine complete with pig noises in front of the whole assembly including my children and husband. He was removed from pastorship which was then given to Shane Burkett. About 18 months after I got kicked out about 60 people left the assembly including Shane and I don't think he has been back to church since then either. Shane has a successful insurance business now but he has always thought he was a cut about the rest so I tend to avoid him if possible. Bryant's marriage broke up, he has had some pretty heavy issues but they are not really for public discussion. He is finally getting his life back on track now, which is a good thing.

David Rapley moved to Canberra I think. I have had a glimpse of him on facebook recently. He is a nice fella, don't think he still goes to church at all but his mum does, she is back in Wagga in the assembly here last I heard.


How long have you been out for Thommo?



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 Hi Epi

Interesting point - I guess it's about conformity. I found, over the years, that anyone I liked or got along well with ended up leaving. It's only with the benefit of life experience that I realise I am drawn to confident, strong minded people for friendship... it would seem that anyone with those character traits is either moved on for one reason or other or leaves because they see through the Revivalist B.S.

I think it is a fascinating study in group mentality to look at Revival Cults... It would seem to me that the doctrine creates the culture which in turn reinforces the doctrine. For weak people the notion of I am right and everyone else is wrong must be very appealing, particularly at the beginning when most new converts are at a low point in their life.

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Thommo,

I think it is a fascinating study in group mentality to look at Revival Cults... It would seem to me that the doctrine creates the culture which in turn reinforces the doctrine. For weak people the notion of I am right and everyone else is wrong must be very appealing, particularly at the beginning when most new converts are at a low point in their life.

Unfortunately it isn't only common to revival cults, but many organisations both secular and non secular. Many people seem to get right off on the whole I'm right, everyone else is wrong, particularly when they can justify using the word of god.

Strangely enough I always thought the whole concept of having to be right was one of the things god diminished in a person as they went on in the things of god. Doesn't seem to work that way though. People will be people.

Some seem to love to sit by in self satisfied smugness knowing they are safe and secure in the knowledge that either they are right, or they are on the right side. I'm sure the gentlemen who flew those jets into the twin towers felt just as justified, and "right". Fundamentalism is a dangerous and evil thing, no matter where one finds it.

Once what you believe becomes more important than the way you treat others, then what you believe ceases to have meaning.
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 Hi Tracey

Been out for nearly a decade. My parents and in-laws are still involved so I keep abreast of the various things going on in the church. I am able to have great academic discussions with my old man about it but we always agree to disagree, its not an issue for us though, he can see I am happy.

I guess you can lump the Burketts in with a lot of others whose lives are not the better for being Revivalists. It is interesting that yet another person I liked (david rapley) has moved on. (refer to previous post in response to epi)


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Hi, Thommo.

I'm looking forwards to visiting the Wagga RF from time-to-time next year. Cor and I have at least one discussion that we need to finish.

Blessings,

Ian

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 Hi Ian

I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that discussion with Cor. You are based up in that neck-of-the-woods I assume. Did you ever visit the Albury RC when it was run by Pastor Bruce Mitchell, I think he has retired now but one of his underlings Bob Angus is still about up there running a Rev Fellowship, I think you might enjoy a chat with him, he was a real revival hard-liner.

I put your answers to my questions about the "anti-alcohol" rant to good use (without revealing my source) as you can imagine, in typical revival fashion, it was not taken under consideration but rather objected to without base.


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Hi, Thommo.

I knew Bruce Mitchell from his Toowoomba days, but I can assure you that Rob Angus isn't interested in talking with me. In dividing his time between his duties as an Albury City Councillor, and pastoring his "flock" of 6 to 7 "sheep", he's likely kept busy enough

I take it that you're not surprised at the outcome and short shrift given the biblical context to the entire "wine" debate?

Blessings,

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Thommo,

I should add, Angus was very vocal in objecting to Albury Council allowing a "strip-club" to be established at a local brothel, and rightly so! However, he sought support from the Christian ministers and churches of Albury in his efforts to have the proposal rejected, never once letting on that he believed them to be less "Christian" than the brothel/strip-club owner!

Certain members of the Albury "Minister's Fraternal" used to question why it was that Angus kept aloof from their association. Not anymore.

Blessings,

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What? Galien is a female?

Ah...it must be cos I am not part of the ex-grc group I find a lot of what is written here either in code or very difficult to decipher.

Clearly I have not been reading closely enough, as I thought Galien was a bloke...LOL! Sorry Ms. Galien.

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 Hi LSlurper

Given that this is a Revival Churches discussion forum, are you an ex or current revivalist? Whats your story?


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LS

What? Galien is a female?

Ah...it must be cos I am not part of the ex-grc group I find a lot of what is written here either in code or very difficult to decipher.

Clearly I have not been reading closely enough, as I thought Galien was a bloke...LOL! Sorry Ms. Galien.

Hehe, some people think I have more balls than most men, so it may be hard to tell. I don't experience myself that way at all but apparently I come across that way.
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Ian

I'm looking forwards to visiting the Wagga RF from time-to-time next year. Cor and I have at least one discussion that we need to finish.

Should be fascinating. You have SO much in common.
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Galien,

How droll.

Ian

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Tommo: "Hi LSlurper

Given that this is a Revival Churches discussion forum, are you an ex or current revivalist? Whats your
story?"

Er...Tommo as explained previously (so 'cuse me for repeating myself!) I am a sibling to 2 current and very long term grc members who basically left our family to join the cult about 10 years apart. They are both married to other grc members and only one of their huge number of offspring has left.

So yeah, I know grc to a certain extent - as a younger sibling I was the target of many many conversion attempts over the years. Not sure what exactly took place, but I have only recently become aware that my 2 siblings will not go out of their way to speak to me, although they will communicate with other family members. We now all live in the same town, but we do not 'visit' so to speak. At a recent non-GRC family gathering they attended (which they don't normally do) one sibling and one child would not acknowledge me. It was horrible.

As I have never been a member, I do not know the background to things hinted to or mentioned cryptically here....and I certainly did not know Galien was a female - as I don't know any of the people behind these handles. I read here to try and help understand some things I have wondered about for almost 40 years.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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 galien

I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men.

what astounds me though is the antagonistic way people treat each other in this forum.  we may not all agree with each other but surely we can debate without inflaming? 
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I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men.

Really? Don't tell Ian that, that is what he thinks christianity is NOT.

what astounds me though is the antagonistic way people treat each other in this forum.  we may not all agree with each other but surely we can debate without inflaming? 

I have come out of a cult where the men ruled the roost. They believed they owned the truth, could tell everyone else what the truth was, and treat people like dirt who refused to buy their rubbish. Strangely, I have no time for men like that, no matter where I find them.

On the whole the people I have met on this forum are lovely. The only ones that annoy me are those that think I should fall into line under their "truth". The brand of christianity followed by those people is performance based and could care less about the love in one's heart for their saviour, or for anyone else. They don't care about other people, only about being "obedient" and showing everyone else that they are.  There is no room in them for compassion. They think they know the innermost workings of my heart and soul, but they don't. In short, just like every revival pastor I ever met. They DON'T believe that everyone is equal, or that everyone should have equal value in their hearts. They believe their way of being a christian is the only valid way. Any other way is a compromise and ungodly in thier eyes.

Its simple really. Treat me with respect and you will get the same back. Come at me like a revival pastor and I will go for the nads every time.




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Ralph,

I have started reading a book that John had sent me, it is on "spiritual abuse." Unintentionally my thoughts directed to you and could cite up many things, from your postings on this forum, that you are a classic victim of such spiritual abuse as well as physically. We all are victims to some degree; those that have experienced such as Revival, but others here seem to be taking hold of things better that are setting them free and on the road to recovery.

It's good that you are reading about spiritual abuse. Everyone is different. Things affect us all differently. If revival were my only problem perhaps I would be able to shrug it off as easily as some others. What annoys me is any system that believes it has the right to abuse anyone for any reason. I am better than I have ever been, because I don't take crap from anyone anymore.

I will say, without reservations, that you are totally wrong in your assessment toward Ian and others that is declaring the Gospel as it is represented in scripture. It is the places you have come out of that are spiritual abuses not only because of their “power plays” but also of the false doctrines that they preach. Not once have you considered nor challenged in any way the scriptures that have been declared by Ian and for that matter any on here.

To be making such statements as above is totally unacceptable and out of order as a "Christian"  but from how you have come across in your postings it seems you can’t handle truth.

Then perhaps Ian should learn to act like a gentleman toward those that don't agree with him. Power plays are not exclusive to revival. They happen everywhere around us, including on this forum, every day. Having been a christian since 1970 brolga it is highly unlikely that I would not have considered what the bible says.

Perhaps you should take a wander back through my time on this forum and write down all the bitchy stuff that Ian hs said to me. Apparently though those who consider themselves christian teachers have the right to say whatever they want to people, no matter how cruel or untrue. Find  me a scripture reference that okays that.

The fact he continues to do that DESPITE the fact he knows I suffer post traumatic stress, and depression (which he thinks people get by being less "robust" than he is) shows me the calibre of the man. In God's great cattle call I am not important as an individual, none of us are. As long as Ian is right, and the rest of us are conforming like good little christians, that is his only concern. Jesus was not like that.

But, as is often the case, there are some rules for those whom others deem to be in charge, and a different set of rules for others. Do what I say, not what I do. Now I wonder where we have seen THAT beofre?

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Fremde,

Re your comments on cbox

I do not think this is "my" forum and "my" soapbox. But neither do I think it is Ian's. Like everyone, I have a right to my own opinion. Sometimes I think christians forget that everyone has a right to an opinion, not just an opinion christians agree with. There is a whole world out there that thinks what we believe is rubbish. They are entitled to an opinion too.

At no time did I invite Ian Thomason to comment, exhort, teach or admonish me. Hence my dislike of his obsession with doing so.
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Galien, It did rain yesterday. But I did not come down in the last shower. Your poor little me picked on victim attention getting has not just worn thin, it has worn out.

You suffer post traumatic stress? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh so that makes it alright to spit vitriol at anyone that doesn't agree with Galienism and the rejection of scriptures that are such a bother! And if that's not enough mix in a lot of misandry. It's OK to laugh and excuse your venom while castigating Ian for having the temerity to exhort, rebuke, teach in line with scripture and SOUND (as distinct from loony, feminist, heretical) doctrine.

What a cop out. You don't suffer, you have nestled into a place that suits you just fine! A place that you can poke your head out of and take pot shots, then retreat to, feeling self satisfied and justified, and hurt, oh yes, don't forget to feel hurt and talk about your "disorder".

I WILL TYPE IN CAPITALS - IAN WAS INVITED HERE BY THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM AND IS HERE ALSO BECAUSE AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY HAPPY (sorry you don't understand that word do you) THAT HE IS HERE, BUT APPRECIATE HIS TEACHING AND GUIDANCE.

He is efficaciously doing what he is supposed to do, bidden to do, asked to do, is wanted to do!

And you moan on and on and on and on and on. Give it a rest ! You don't have to repeat your "victim" story again on here....we could all recite it ! We know it .... ad nauseum!

Isn't the modern world wonderful, there's a disorder and an excuse for everything. It's sure a lot better than being responsible, trusting in God, repenting, casting down pride, caring for others before self and all that other stuff in the Bible you don't like.

When the author and finisher of our faith, comes on stage at the end of the play of life, he will not ask you if you enjoyed the play...................He will ask of you what part YOU played, and was it according to the script!

Dave Allen once said that a preacher quoted in his sermon "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". A little old lady at the front of the church was laughing. "What's so funny?" he asked. She said "I don't have any teeth" He replied "Then teeth will be provided!"

Do or say what you like Galien. Your lovey-dovey pick and choose so-called Christianity perhaps, I repeat, perhaps, may impress or fool some in this life, but naked before God you will weep for every rejection of His words and not only be ashamed, but there will be consequences.

Harsh? As my son would say "Not harsh enough!" If you find that judgemental, then throw away your Bible, because it's all plainly written there!

Do you really think you can blame all your heretical rejections on Ian and Revivalists? Rhetorical question. Of course you do!

John
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Galien

"As long as Ian is right, and the rest of us are conforming like good little christians, that is his only concern. Jesus was not like that".

That is wrong on so many levels, I'm not sure you realise what you say.

It would be the prayer of every Christian that they conformed like good Christians. When you put in the derogatory 'little', demeaning the whole concept, denegrating the walk of so many as no more than 'goody two shoes' types. Not sure those who walk on as Christians, without complaint, through tough and terrible times, would appreciate that.

If someone accused me of making sure everyone was conforming as a good Christian, I'd be delighted. I'm sure Ian will be, too.

As for "Jesus was not like that" .... hello? Are we talking about the same warrior and lord here? The one who fought to the death, conquered it and rose again in order that we can live with him forever?

Am I missing something, or reading too much into a phrase so glibly and thoughtlessly turned out?

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