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Date Posted:19/09/2009 1:12 AMCopy HTML

Here you go guys, a whole new thread dedicated to the two of you.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:17/09/2009 2:33 PMCopy HTML

All my life ppl have said to me, Tracey, people want to be led, stops them from having to think for themselves. I have never understood that, and I never will. I'm outta here, but before I go, I would like to address John's little paragraph of horror.

The smart ones like me, when women shove their "feminist" opinions down my throat, as their employer, I like many, both men and women, cull them from the herd. Without fuss, without bother. We speak (my management and I) of the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

1. Everyone is equal and deserves to have an opinion John, whether you agree with it or not
2. Your opinion is not more important than anyone elses
3. People are not cattle, to be "culled". Anyone who thinks they are, is less than human themselves
4. If one feels comfortable disposing of other human beings without fuss or bother, then they probably need to spend a LOT more time on their knees
5. If a person thinks it is okay to glory in the fact they have the gold, they also need to spend a lot more time on their knees
6. That one would even contemplate disposing of others based on the fact they are in a position of superiority by virtue of power and wealth is abhorrent.


And you people wonder why we have nothing in common.

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Think about what had to be in place to put Jesus on the cross. Religious politics, fear, herd behaviour, the typical human reaction of covering one's own backside. Jesus threatened the religious order of the day. He could care less about it because it had become a matter of outward show, but no inward devotion and love for God. They killed him because he was a threat to their "authority". He was god, and even the religious leaders of the day could not recognise him.

We are asked to put on the mind of Christ, to rise above our petty rubbish, feeding our egos, our need to impress each other with our "credibility" to be humble, gentle and poor in spirit. How can the love of god reach anyone who already thinks they have all the answers? In two thousand years humans haven't changed, but christ calls us to do so.

At the end of his life not one of his disciples had the guts to stand by him, not one, after everything they had seen and heard. The question for us is, will we live in courage, really look at the life and experience of christ, and truly admit to ourselves who we are or follow the herd through fear?
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Galien,

You warn, quite wisely, about the risks of "group think" or what NASA experienced some years ago as "go fever".

You *also* need to take on board the concept of teamwork or what has been termed "the wisdom of the group" ... which has also been validated by psychological studies. In the bible, I believe, it's incorporated in the practice of "koinonia".

BTW, frankly, if you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have walked straight out the door as soon as we understood the "revivalist" "salvation message". We didn't, we bore the consequences of that foolishness, we now need to learn wisdom.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:18/09/2009 1:44 AMCopy HTML

Galien,

You warn, quite wisely, about the risks of "group think" or what NASA experienced some years ago as "go fever".

You *also* need to take on board the concept of teamwork or what has been termed "the wisdom of the group" ... which has also been validated by psychological studies. In the bible, I believe, it's incorporated in the practice of "koinonia".

Teamwork I have no problem with.

BTW, frankly, if you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have walked straight out the door as soon as we understood the "revivalist" "salvation message". We didn't, we bore the consequences of that foolishness, we now need to learn wisdom.

Talmid, I have no issue with sound historial biblical christianity. I have a problem with people who exercise it the same way as the revivals exercise their organisation. Bullies, i believe they call them. Do you really think after my revival experience I am going to allow anyone to bully me where the things of god are concerned?

It is not correct to believe the only thing wrong with revival was their theology.
A lot of the problem there was the kind of person they attracted. Men who were not that successful in life generally who enjoyed being big fish in little ponds. probably the only power they had experienced in their lives and they went crazy with it. Going to an orhodox church does not mean you will not meet up with bullies. They are everywhere, and we have all worked with them and worshipped beside them.

To be honest, in revival I never got as far as questioning the theology, because I remained completely gobsmacked for the whole nine years that so called christians felt the need to bully others, then used the holy word of god to justify that. That particular practice will always make me sick to my stomach no matter where i find it.

Jesus said learn from me for I am gentle and humble in heart. He was NOT a bully, yet some people seem to think that is what he modelled. Can't see it myself.

Look I know the bullies of this world won't change. They get off on their power, why would they want to let it go, particulalry when they use the bible to justify it? Not to many people want to go up against that, because they are never quite sure whether they are fighting god or not. Just seems very very sad to me that even after a revival experience, some people will just not let their need for power over others go, to the detriment of others.
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Date Posted:18/09/2009 2:40 AMCopy HTML

Still making excuses to justify your behaviour, huh?

Ah yes, the pure evil of not going to church. Guess I'm off to hell then hey.

Helloooo! This isn't a church, it's a forum, a place for discussing and debating ideas. Furthermore, no one can "bully" you to do anything that you don't want to do. And that's the core issue, you don't want to do what Scripture says you must do, and you get cranky when people point this out.

Whereever two or three are gathered in my name, I am there in their midst. We are the church Ian, not that building you lob up to.

Still misquoting and misapplying the Bible like a Revivalist, huh? Read Matthew 11 from verse 28 and up to verse 30. Changes things, doesn't it? Then flip over to John 2:13-18 and have a gander. Jesus, Jesus, meek and mild

Changes nothing.

Look I know the bullies of this world won't change. They get off on their power, why would they want to let it go, particulalry when they use the bible to justify it? Not to many people want to go up against that, because they are never quite sure whether they are fighting god or not. Just seems very very sad to me that even after a revival experience, some people will just not let their need for power over others go, to the detriment of others.

Really? You like to blame me, but what "power" do I have? What "authority" have I grasped? What "position" have I lusted after? Now, who is it, do you think, who is fighting against God? Who refuses to yield and submit to his Word? Me? Or you?

You know very well what power you have Ian. Don't play innocent. You believe that "christian authority" has traditionally passed down to you and it is up to you to assess and judge others. How is that not having power over them?

A person's faith is one of the deepest parts of them. You and I both know how easy that is to manipulate Ian.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:18/09/2009 2:42 AMCopy HTML

Galien

To be honest, in revival I never got as far as questioning the theology, because I remained completely gobsmacked for the whole nine years that so called christians felt the need to bully others, then used the holy word of god to justify that.

If you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have *listened* to the regular (usually weekly) teaching that "no tongues => no Spirit" and realised that it contradicted the bible. If we were in a place of "bullying" that was not corrected we would have seen that contradicted the bible. Either would have been sufficient to send us out the door asap.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:18/09/2009 2:54 AMCopy HTML

Talmid

To be honest, in revival I never got as far as questioning the theology, because I remained completely gobsmacked for the whole nine years that so called christians felt the need to bully others, then used the holy word of god to justify that.

If you and I had "followed the herd" by learning (and practising) sound, historical, *biblical* Christianity we would have *listened* to the regular (usually weekly) teaching that "no tongues => no Spirit" and realised that it contradicted that Christianity. If we were in a place of bullying that was not corrected we would have seen that contradicted the bible. Either way we would have been out the door asap.


Back in those days I was a blubbering heap of neurosis who was not capable of making a rational decision. I was extremely traumatised by the time i hit revival and instead of sending me off for the help I needed, they tried to counsel me themselves and they just made me worse.  I stayed in revival because I loved my brethren like my family and I knew losing them would shred me, and it did. I stayed for nine years before they booted me out, because at that time in my life I didn't have the strength or the sense to walk away. I believed if I tried hard enough and loved hard enough that things would change. Back then I believed that god was in control and in time he would deal with everything. Isn't that what revival oversight tell you, and you are just meant to be content with that.

It has taken me a long, long time and a lot of pain to learn how to walk away and stay away from things that are not healthy for me. It is still a struggle coz there is still a part of me that wants to believe if I love enough.......etc etc. I am an idealist at heart. Silly me.


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Date Posted:18/09/2009 3:17 AMCopy HTML

Galien,

Your powers of misinterpretation are consistently bizarre.

1. Everyone is equal and deserves to have an opinion John, whether you agree with it or not.

Everyone is not equal, in life or my company. Someone has to lead. I seldom have to direct my managers, I chose them specifically for their ability to manage without being nursemaided. I was talking about (and you know it) opinions that annoy others and are offered as an excuse for poor performance and letting down the team.

2. Your opinion is not more important than anyone elses.

In my company they are, when they and cause us to lose business
effect peoples livelihoods!

3. People are not cattle, to be "culled". Anyone who thinks they are, is less than human themselves.

When people act like rogue cattle they are "culled" after warnings and counselling and if they choose to ignore such, then they are sacked, culled, "let go" or whatever you want to call it. Do you understand the words "responsibility" "outcomes" or "consequences"?

4. If one feels comfortable disposing of other human beings without fuss or bother, then they probably need to spend a LOT more time on their knees.

Again you read into things what you want. Where did I say there was no fuss or bother? Most of my staff have been with me for a lot of years. I must be doing something right. I even have two generations of one family working for me. By the way my company turns 21 in a few weeks. I don't reckon you'd last a week here. We talk about a "culture", a culture of interacting and working together for a common goal ..... service to our customers. You'd hate that, our customers probably wouldn't understand that what they want doesn't matter, they should instead only think of what might not fit in with how you feel at the time.

5. If a person thinks it is okay to glory in the fact they have the gold, they also need to spend a lot more time on their knee.

It was a cliche referring to obeying rules. Either you know that or I will have to find some way to write on here in crayon for your benefit.

6. That one would even contemplate disposing of others based on the fact they are in a position of superiority by virtue of power and wealth is abhorrent.

Again you conjure bizarre meanings into too much, which is sad. I could consider that you are conniving, malicious and spiteful, for a little while longer I would rather try to think you are naive.

And you people wonder why we have nothing in common.

No, I do not wonder at all, we have nothing in common, because you alienate yourself, lashing out at anyone you choose with the excuse that their are behaving as a Revivalist.

Your behaviour reminds me of authoritarian, self opinionated, unchallengeable so-called pastors in the sub sects of Revivalism I encountered. I think more of Revivalism became ingrained in you than you realise.

I will pray for you, as I have prayed for you. As I said to Ian in the shoutbox, you remind me of me, how I was and how I still am in some ways. But unlike you, I am not proud of it, and I want to change!

John
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Date Posted:18/09/2009 4:29 AMCopy HTML

John

Your powers of misinterpretation are consistently bizarre.

I think you will find it is the underlying assumptions I question. I know we are not SUPPOSED to do that, but I do.

1. Everyone is equal and deserves to have an opinion John, whether you agree with it or not.

Everyone is not equal, in life or my company. Someone has to lead. I seldom have to direct my managers, I chose them specifically for their ability to manage without being nursemaided. I was talking about (and you know it) opinions that annoy others and are offered as an excuse for poor performance and letting down the team.

Well dude it is all in the perception isnt it really. If people are all equal in my esteem they just are. Christ died for us all equally, everyone is my neighbour, and I do not have to accept the insane pecking order that most people subscribe to.

2. Your opinion is not more important than anyone elses.

In my company they are, when they and cause us to lose business
effect peoples livelihoods!

Well geez get a better employment agency!


3. People are not cattle, to be "culled". Anyone who thinks they are, is less than human themselves.

When people act like rogue cattle they are "culled" after warnings and counselling and if they choose to ignore such, then they are sacked, culled, "let go" or whatever you want to call it. Do you understand the words "responsibility" "outcomes" or "consequences"?

See above. where DO you find these people? I understand all of these concepts John, quite well.


4. If one feels comfortable disposing of other human beings without fuss or bother, then they probably need to spend a LOT more time on their knees.

Again you read into things what you want. Where did I say there was no fuss or bother? Most of my staff have been with me for a lot of years. I must be doing something right. I even have two generations of one family working for me. By the way my company turns 21 in a few weeks. I don't reckon you'd last a week here. We talk about a "culture", a culture of interacting and working together for a common goal ..... service to our customers. You'd hate that, our customers probably wouldn't understand that what they want doesn't matter, they should instead only think of what might not fit in with how you feel at the time.

Well seeing you know nothing about my work ethic, it probably was a silly comment. I have always been a kind, lovely, go the extra mile person when it comes to helping others. If I believe everyone is my neighbour, why would I be any other way? Part of that non existent christianity of mine.

5. If a person thinks it is okay to glory in the fact they have the gold, they also need to spend a lot more time on their knee.

It was a cliche referring to obeying rules. Either you know that or I will have to find some way to write on here in crayon for your benefit.

Make it purple, its my favourite. it may have been a throwaway line John but we both know how much trouble it causes.

Again you conjure bizarre meanings into too much, which is sad. I could consider that you are conniving, malicious and spiteful, for a little while longer I would rather try to think you are naive.

Probably naive, certainly not the other things. But John, if being naive means not hardening my heart, not accepting things that are unacceptable, then call me what ever.


No, I do not wonder at all, we have nothing in common, because you alienate yourself, lashing out at anyone you choose with the excuse that their are behaving as a Revivalist.

Your behaviour reminds me of authoritarian, self opinionated, unchallengeable so-called pastors in the sub sects of Revivalism I encountered. I think more of Revivalism became ingrained in you than you realise.

He he, its more likely to be the way I was dragged up actually. Housing commission upbringings are quite the adventure, especially for a young christian girl. I don't lash out at everyone, only bullies.

I will pray for you, as I have prayed for you. As I said to Ian in the shoutbox, you remind me of me, how I was and how I still am in some ways. But unlike you, I am not proud of it, and I want to change!

Thank you, by all means pray, I need all the help I can get. But I am not you John. You have your reasons for reacting the way you do, I have mine. If I truly believe, as I do that all people are equal, then someone comes along and tries to tell me they are better or more important for any reason, I'm hardly likely to find them credible really am I. I will not be brought under bondage again. The yoke of jesus is easy and light, not heavy and hard. It was never meant to be either of those things.

For the record John, I think you are a kind, generous and honest person, and trust me i'm almost impossible to impress.  They are pretty hard to come by in this day and age. Go you!
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Date Posted:18/09/2009 5:29 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

Really? Just me? Is there any reason, then, that you won't heed what the others tell you?

Because I simply do not believe that God would reject me because I choose not to go to church.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:19/09/2009 5:51 AMCopy HTML

     Ah, but Ian, you and Galien have been using the GRC site to spar in, SO, I thought a dedicated thread would be good.

Seems that not many, if any, GRCers, ex or otherwise, are using the site anymore.

The ModGod can get rid of it if he/she likes. -- I think that I was just a bit bored, miserable weather here and all that.

Cheers,

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As I posted the other day, even after a cannibal ate Galien, she would disagree with him. Still, she sure makes me appreciate my wife even more!
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Date Posted:20/09/2009 8:39 AMCopy HTML

John,

As I posted the other day, even after a cannibal ate Galien, she would disagree with him. Still, she sure makes me appreciate my wife even more!

Glad to be of service. And do you know, there is a school of thought which believes if two people never disagree, then one of them is probably superfluous.

Luv u long time
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Galien,

Glad to be of service. And do you know, there is a school of thought which believes if two people never disagree, then one of them is probably superfluous.

However the Bible talks of people who are in agreement are of, one accord, or in the case of marriage, the two are one flesh. No superfluity mentioned in the Bible. No sireee. Jesus spoke of He and the Father being one. Jesus talked of Him being in us. He spoke to Peter and the other disciples, of looking out for one another.

That is why we are to meant to fellowship.....church....ekklesia...that's the way He wanted it. It's the way it's meant to be. Without it we are vulnerable and undernourished. We are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it's a commandment.

You know commandments, they are the things God tells us to do, they are good for us to obey, because He knows more than us what is good for us.

Jesus went as far as to say that if we love him, we will keep his commandments ...... if we love him ....if.....

His commandments are not grievous are they?

You wouldn't be silly enough to disobey Him because it didn't suit you, would you?

John
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However the Bible talks of people who are in agreement are of, one accord, or in the case of marriage, the two are one flesh. No superfluity mentioned in the Bible. No sireee. Jesus spoke of He and the Father being one. Jesus talked of Him being in us. He spoke to Peter and the other disciples, of looking out for one another.

You know John there is life, and there are concepts OUTSIDE the Bible, and I am not afraid of them. Looking out for one another. Now there is an interesting concept. I am yet to see that on a deep level int he church, only the odd rare occasion.

That is why we are to meant to fellowship.....church....ekklesia...that's the way He wanted it. It's the way it's meant to be. Without it we are vulnerable and undernourished. We are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it's a commandment.

I don't believe it is a "commandment". The very fact the bible mentions some people were already avoiding fellowship even back then speaks volumes. People in groups are painful John. Some people can handle it, some can't . Can you imagine me in a church with an Ian? Been there, done that.  What is the point of me constantly arguing over the very need for top down heirarchy in the body of christ BEFORE we even get close to anything else? Humans and their need for pecking order annoy the hell out of me. I simply cannot abide the politics. For me it cheapens god, all the more when people use the word of god to justify it. You and I know full well I would get kicked out of every church I went anywhere near. They are not changing their ways of doing things and my distaste for stupid human behaviour isnt changing either.

You know commandments, they are the things God tells us to do, they are good for us to obey, because He knows more than us what is good for us.

As I said, the word commandment is not in the verse that says it. To me a commandment is something we MUST do, and as I have said before, I know what I need to do to maintain the small shreds of sanity christians have kindly left me. But christians don't care about that stuff, my heart, soul and mental health are side issues, as long as I do what I am told, that is the only issue really isn't it? Have you any idea how many people there are in this life permanently alienated from chrches because of exactly that attitude. I know many christians of longstanding - over 20 years - who are SO tired of the bull in churches they won't go back. It isn't just me. Churches will use you up and spit you out, they have become like corporations. The people don't matter, just what they can do for the organisation.

I believe that the god I know and love would not reject me for protecting my own mental health. If he does, then he has been an illusion these last 40 years. If he were to reject me, then thats okay too. I have no interest in a god that is that small. But as I have said John I believe he is much bigger than to have his equilibirum disturbed by where my bum sits on a Sunday. We are judged on the content of our heart, and I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

He knows my heart, NO ONE else does, think what you will.

After having had my soul raped by revival, I will NEVER let another human being take away my confidence in my lord and my god again, no matter how you lot try. Imagine the consequences for me if I were to allow you to do that.



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Galien,

The statement, "... forsake not the assembling of yourselves together..." is an imperative in Greek. In other words, it is a command; it's not optional; it's something that we must do!

Ian


so the name is "Tracey" ... so Tracey which part of Aussie are you from ? and which revivalist group did the dirty on you ?

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Meta,

so the name is "Tracey" ... so Tracey which part of Aussie are you from ? and which revivalist group did the dirty on you ?

I'm from Wagga, and it was a revival centre.
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 Hi Tracey

 Did you do your time in the Wagga Revival Centre "under" (so to speak) Cor Smit, with the Burketts as his henchmen?

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Thommo,

Did you do your time in the Wagga Revival Centre "under" (so to speak) Cor Smit, with the Burketts as his henchmen?

Sure did. 1985 to 1993. I still have nightmares about Leigh Burkett. And yes Coarse Wit and I were great mates as you can imagine. I am still pretty friendly with Leigh's sister Kellee, but as for the rest of the Burketts what has happened to them since leaving has been pretty bizarre.
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Tracey

From memory Cor was a nasty misogynist with short persons syndrome. I had a bit to do with the Wagga mob when I was a little tacker, I found them all to be strange! I remember a guy called David Raply(sp?) What happened to the Burketts post Revival?

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Tommo and all,

Why is it do you think that the Revival groups change people so much?   It's like a bending of the mind in the name of unity.  I've seen lively, happy, vibrant people come in and in a very short time they are quite changed into rather sombre human beings.  All those meetings, and the Revivalist only associations are definitely a ploy to get into the mind.

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Thommo

From memory Cor was a nasty misogynist with short persons syndrome. I had a bit to do with the Wagga mob when I was a little tacker, I found them all to be strange! I remember a guy called David Raply(sp?) What happened to the Burketts post Revival?

That about covers Cor. He is back terrorising them again in Wagga. In early 1993 he was sent to Canberra but no one knew why (of course). I have heard rublings regarding improper dealings with children, but who knows? Leigh Burkett took over, at the time he had very bad neuralgia from being hit in the head with a brick (no I didn't throw it but the temptation was almost overwhelming at times). He was addicted to painkillers which made his behaviour quite strange and he was already a dictator and completely full of himself. He is a worse misogynist than Cor ever was. He was the one who put me out, and called me a swine complete with pig noises in front of the whole assembly including my children and husband. He was removed from pastorship which was then given to Shane Burkett. About 18 months after I got kicked out about 60 people left the assembly including Shane and I don't think he has been back to church since then either. Shane has a successful insurance business now but he has always thought he was a cut about the rest so I tend to avoid him if possible. Bryant's marriage broke up, he has had some pretty heavy issues but they are not really for public discussion. He is finally getting his life back on track now, which is a good thing.

David Rapley moved to Canberra I think. I have had a glimpse of him on facebook recently. He is a nice fella, don't think he still goes to church at all but his mum does, she is back in Wagga in the assembly here last I heard.


How long have you been out for Thommo?



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 Hi Epi

Interesting point - I guess it's about conformity. I found, over the years, that anyone I liked or got along well with ended up leaving. It's only with the benefit of life experience that I realise I am drawn to confident, strong minded people for friendship... it would seem that anyone with those character traits is either moved on for one reason or other or leaves because they see through the Revivalist B.S.

I think it is a fascinating study in group mentality to look at Revival Cults... It would seem to me that the doctrine creates the culture which in turn reinforces the doctrine. For weak people the notion of I am right and everyone else is wrong must be very appealing, particularly at the beginning when most new converts are at a low point in their life.

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Thommo,

I think it is a fascinating study in group mentality to look at Revival Cults... It would seem to me that the doctrine creates the culture which in turn reinforces the doctrine. For weak people the notion of I am right and everyone else is wrong must be very appealing, particularly at the beginning when most new converts are at a low point in their life.

Unfortunately it isn't only common to revival cults, but many organisations both secular and non secular. Many people seem to get right off on the whole I'm right, everyone else is wrong, particularly when they can justify using the word of god.

Strangely enough I always thought the whole concept of having to be right was one of the things god diminished in a person as they went on in the things of god. Doesn't seem to work that way though. People will be people.

Some seem to love to sit by in self satisfied smugness knowing they are safe and secure in the knowledge that either they are right, or they are on the right side. I'm sure the gentlemen who flew those jets into the twin towers felt just as justified, and "right". Fundamentalism is a dangerous and evil thing, no matter where one finds it.

Once what you believe becomes more important than the way you treat others, then what you believe ceases to have meaning.
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 Hi Tracey

Been out for nearly a decade. My parents and in-laws are still involved so I keep abreast of the various things going on in the church. I am able to have great academic discussions with my old man about it but we always agree to disagree, its not an issue for us though, he can see I am happy.

I guess you can lump the Burketts in with a lot of others whose lives are not the better for being Revivalists. It is interesting that yet another person I liked (david rapley) has moved on. (refer to previous post in response to epi)


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 Hi Ian

I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that discussion with Cor. You are based up in that neck-of-the-woods I assume. Did you ever visit the Albury RC when it was run by Pastor Bruce Mitchell, I think he has retired now but one of his underlings Bob Angus is still about up there running a Rev Fellowship, I think you might enjoy a chat with him, he was a real revival hard-liner.

I put your answers to my questions about the "anti-alcohol" rant to good use (without revealing my source) as you can imagine, in typical revival fashion, it was not taken under consideration but rather objected to without base.


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What? Galien is a female?

Ah...it must be cos I am not part of the ex-grc group I find a lot of what is written here either in code or very difficult to decipher.

Clearly I have not been reading closely enough, as I thought Galien was a bloke...LOL! Sorry Ms. Galien.

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 Hi LSlurper

Given that this is a Revival Churches discussion forum, are you an ex or current revivalist? Whats your story?


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LS

What? Galien is a female?

Ah...it must be cos I am not part of the ex-grc group I find a lot of what is written here either in code or very difficult to decipher.

Clearly I have not been reading closely enough, as I thought Galien was a bloke...LOL! Sorry Ms. Galien.

Hehe, some people think I have more balls than most men, so it may be hard to tell. I don't experience myself that way at all but apparently I come across that way.
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Ian

I'm looking forwards to visiting the Wagga RF from time-to-time next year. Cor and I have at least one discussion that we need to finish.

Should be fascinating. You have SO much in common.
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Tommo: "Hi LSlurper

Given that this is a Revival Churches discussion forum, are you an ex or current revivalist? Whats your
story?"

Er...Tommo as explained previously (so 'cuse me for repeating myself!) I am a sibling to 2 current and very long term grc members who basically left our family to join the cult about 10 years apart. They are both married to other grc members and only one of their huge number of offspring has left.

So yeah, I know grc to a certain extent - as a younger sibling I was the target of many many conversion attempts over the years. Not sure what exactly took place, but I have only recently become aware that my 2 siblings will not go out of their way to speak to me, although they will communicate with other family members. We now all live in the same town, but we do not 'visit' so to speak. At a recent non-GRC family gathering they attended (which they don't normally do) one sibling and one child would not acknowledge me. It was horrible.

As I have never been a member, I do not know the background to things hinted to or mentioned cryptically here....and I certainly did not know Galien was a female - as I don't know any of the people behind these handles. I read here to try and help understand some things I have wondered about for almost 40 years.

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 galien

I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men.

what astounds me though is the antagonistic way people treat each other in this forum.  we may not all agree with each other but surely we can debate without inflaming? 
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Evil Outsider

I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men.

Really? Don't tell Ian that, that is what he thinks christianity is NOT.

what astounds me though is the antagonistic way people treat each other in this forum.  we may not all agree with each other but surely we can debate without inflaming? 

I have come out of a cult where the men ruled the roost. They believed they owned the truth, could tell everyone else what the truth was, and treat people like dirt who refused to buy their rubbish. Strangely, I have no time for men like that, no matter where I find them.

On the whole the people I have met on this forum are lovely. The only ones that annoy me are those that think I should fall into line under their "truth". The brand of christianity followed by those people is performance based and could care less about the love in one's heart for their saviour, or for anyone else. They don't care about other people, only about being "obedient" and showing everyone else that they are.  There is no room in them for compassion. They think they know the innermost workings of my heart and soul, but they don't. In short, just like every revival pastor I ever met. They DON'T believe that everyone is equal, or that everyone should have equal value in their hearts. They believe their way of being a christian is the only valid way. Any other way is a compromise and ungodly in thier eyes.

Its simple really. Treat me with respect and you will get the same back. Come at me like a revival pastor and I will go for the nads every time.




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Ralph,

I have started reading a book that John had sent me, it is on "spiritual abuse." Unintentionally my thoughts directed to you and could cite up many things, from your postings on this forum, that you are a classic victim of such spiritual abuse as well as physically. We all are victims to some degree; those that have experienced such as Revival, but others here seem to be taking hold of things better that are setting them free and on the road to recovery.

It's good that you are reading about spiritual abuse. Everyone is different. Things affect us all differently. If revival were my only problem perhaps I would be able to shrug it off as easily as some others. What annoys me is any system that believes it has the right to abuse anyone for any reason. I am better than I have ever been, because I don't take crap from anyone anymore.

I will say, without reservations, that you are totally wrong in your assessment toward Ian and others that is declaring the Gospel as it is represented in scripture. It is the places you have come out of that are spiritual abuses not only because of their “power plays” but also of the false doctrines that they preach. Not once have you considered nor challenged in any way the scriptures that have been declared by Ian and for that matter any on here.

To be making such statements as above is totally unacceptable and out of order as a "Christian"  but from how you have come across in your postings it seems you can’t handle truth.

Then perhaps Ian should learn to act like a gentleman toward those that don't agree with him. Power plays are not exclusive to revival. They happen everywhere around us, including on this forum, every day. Having been a christian since 1970 brolga it is highly unlikely that I would not have considered what the bible says.

Perhaps you should take a wander back through my time on this forum and write down all the bitchy stuff that Ian hs said to me. Apparently though those who consider themselves christian teachers have the right to say whatever they want to people, no matter how cruel or untrue. Find  me a scripture reference that okays that.

The fact he continues to do that DESPITE the fact he knows I suffer post traumatic stress, and depression (which he thinks people get by being less "robust" than he is) shows me the calibre of the man. In God's great cattle call I am not important as an individual, none of us are. As long as Ian is right, and the rest of us are conforming like good little christians, that is his only concern. Jesus was not like that.

But, as is often the case, there are some rules for those whom others deem to be in charge, and a different set of rules for others. Do what I say, not what I do. Now I wonder where we have seen THAT beofre?

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Fremde,

Re your comments on cbox

I do not think this is "my" forum and "my" soapbox. But neither do I think it is Ian's. Like everyone, I have a right to my own opinion. Sometimes I think christians forget that everyone has a right to an opinion, not just an opinion christians agree with. There is a whole world out there that thinks what we believe is rubbish. They are entitled to an opinion too.

At no time did I invite Ian Thomason to comment, exhort, teach or admonish me. Hence my dislike of his obsession with doing so.
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Galien, It did rain yesterday. But I did not come down in the last shower. Your poor little me picked on victim attention getting has not just worn thin, it has worn out.

You suffer post traumatic stress? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh so that makes it alright to spit vitriol at anyone that doesn't agree with Galienism and the rejection of scriptures that are such a bother! And if that's not enough mix in a lot of misandry. It's OK to laugh and excuse your venom while castigating Ian for having the temerity to exhort, rebuke, teach in line with scripture and SOUND (as distinct from loony, feminist, heretical) doctrine.

What a cop out. You don't suffer, you have nestled into a place that suits you just fine! A place that you can poke your head out of and take pot shots, then retreat to, feeling self satisfied and justified, and hurt, oh yes, don't forget to feel hurt and talk about your "disorder".

I WILL TYPE IN CAPITALS - IAN WAS INVITED HERE BY THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM AND IS HERE ALSO BECAUSE AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY HAPPY (sorry you don't understand that word do you) THAT HE IS HERE, BUT APPRECIATE HIS TEACHING AND GUIDANCE.

He is efficaciously doing what he is supposed to do, bidden to do, asked to do, is wanted to do!

And you moan on and on and on and on and on. Give it a rest ! You don't have to repeat your "victim" story again on here....we could all recite it ! We know it .... ad nauseum!

Isn't the modern world wonderful, there's a disorder and an excuse for everything. It's sure a lot better than being responsible, trusting in God, repenting, casting down pride, caring for others before self and all that other stuff in the Bible you don't like.

When the author and finisher of our faith, comes on stage at the end of the play of life, he will not ask you if you enjoyed the play...................He will ask of you what part YOU played, and was it according to the script!

Dave Allen once said that a preacher quoted in his sermon "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". A little old lady at the front of the church was laughing. "What's so funny?" he asked. She said "I don't have any teeth" He replied "Then teeth will be provided!"

Do or say what you like Galien. Your lovey-dovey pick and choose so-called Christianity perhaps, I repeat, perhaps, may impress or fool some in this life, but naked before God you will weep for every rejection of His words and not only be ashamed, but there will be consequences.

Harsh? As my son would say "Not harsh enough!" If you find that judgemental, then throw away your Bible, because it's all plainly written there!

Do you really think you can blame all your heretical rejections on Ian and Revivalists? Rhetorical question. Of course you do!

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Galien

"As long as Ian is right, and the rest of us are conforming like good little christians, that is his only concern. Jesus was not like that".

That is wrong on so many levels, I'm not sure you realise what you say.

It would be the prayer of every Christian that they conformed like good Christians. When you put in the derogatory 'little', demeaning the whole concept, denegrating the walk of so many as no more than 'goody two shoes' types. Not sure those who walk on as Christians, without complaint, through tough and terrible times, would appreciate that.

If someone accused me of making sure everyone was conforming as a good Christian, I'd be delighted. I'm sure Ian will be, too.

As for "Jesus was not like that" .... hello? Are we talking about the same warrior and lord here? The one who fought to the death, conquered it and rose again in order that we can live with him forever?

Am I missing something, or reading too much into a phrase so glibly and thoughtlessly turned out?

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In reply to EvilOutsider's comment "galien, I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men."

I am reminded what Trinculo said in "The Tempest" (William Shakespeare's "The Tempest" Act 2, Scene 2)

"misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"

John Ray (1627 -1705) more succinctly put it..."Misery loves company" He also said "Guilt is always jealous"

To further mix my quotes, as Mitzi Gaynor asked/sung in "South Pacific"...... "You get the picture?"
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Galien, It did rain yesterday. But I did not come down in the last shower. Your poor little me picked on victim attention getting has not just worn thin, it has worn out.

Not interested in being a victim John, or getting attention. You really do think there is only one way to skin a cat don't you?

You suffer post traumatic stress? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh so that makes it alright to spit vitriol at anyone that doesn't agree with Galienism and the rejection of scriptures that are such a bother! And if that's not enough mix in a lot of misandry. It's OK to laugh and excuse your venom while castigating Ian for having the temerity to exhort, rebuke, teach in line with scripture and SOUND (as distinct from loony, feminist, heretical) doctrine.

Excuse me but I did NOT ask Ian to do any of that. Im here as an ex revivalist to talk to other ex revivalists, not be preached to by the chief dipstick. He's a pig to anyone who doesnt agreed with him. Can't you read, or is it just okay in your mind to be a total prick if you are a chirstian teacher? Or is it that you are so used to putting up with that crap from revival you don't know any better? I'M not the one telling everyone else what a spiritual giant I am, he is. Yet he still can't get something as basic as respect for those who disagree with him right. That being the case, why would I listen to him?

What a cop out. You don't suffer, you have nestled into a place that suits you just fine! A place that you can poke your head out of and take pot shots, then retreat to, feeling self satisfied and justified, and hurt, oh yes, don't forget to feel hurt and talk about your "disorder".

Don't tell me what I do John. Or is that how it works in your family, you tell everyone what they do and think and they are okay with that?

I WILL TYPE IN CAPITALS - IAN WAS INVITED HERE BY THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM AND IS HERE ALSO BECAUSE AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY HAPPY (sorry you don't understand that word do you) THAT HE IS HERE, BUT APPRECIATE HIS TEACHING AND GUIDANCE.

Well I don't. Perhaps you could explain to him the gentle art of minding his own business. Not that he is capable of that.

And you moan on and on and on and on and on. Give it a rest ! You don't have to repeat your "victim" story again on here....we could all recite it ! We know it .... ad nauseum!

Isn't the modern world wonderful, there's a disorder and an excuse for everything. It's sure a lot better than being responsible, trusting in God, repenting, casting down pride, caring for others before self and all that other stuff in the Bible you don't like.

Oh dear John, your compasion fatigue is showing. I sincerely hope for your sake that is not how others have treated you. As though you know what goes on in the hearts and minds of others. What a joke.

When the author and finisher of our faith, comes on stage at the end of the play of life, he will not ask you if you enjoyed the play...................He will ask of you what part YOU played, and was it according to the script!

What script was that John? See he knows what goes on inside me, you have NO clue. Try some original thought instead of rehashed whatever. Very liberating.

Dave Allen once said that a preacher quoted in his sermon "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". A little old lady at the front of the church was laughing. "What's so funny?" he asked. She said "I don't have any teeth" He replied "Then teeth will be provided!"

Do or say what you like Galien. Your lovey-dovey pick and choose so-called Christianity perhaps, I repeat, perhaps, may impress or fool some in this life, but naked before God you will weep for every rejection of His words and not only be ashamed, but there will be consequences.

And seeing he knows me soul deep and you dont I have no problem whatsoever with his righteous judgment of me. I have always stood naked before him. How DARE you presume to stand in his place.

Harsh? As my son would say "Not harsh enough!" If you find that judgemental, then throw away your Bible, because it's all plainly written there!

Do you really think you can blame all your heretical rejections on Ian and Revivalists? Rhetorical question. Of course you do!

I am beginning to wish I had not credited you with as much intelligence and insight as I had. You  dissappoint me with your one dimensional assessments of everything I say.
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Then perhaps Ian should learn to act like a gentleman toward those that don't agree with him.


Ian act ??? what for ?? Why ?? I have never seen Ian in my whole life to be able to recognize him.. perhaps he is the spitting image of Darcy Ryan ????  dunno never seen him before ... All I have ever done is trundle over a few thoughts he has expressed on the boards ................

But Ian act ??? Yes I suppose so but if he did act then it would be a pretty hard one to follow at that.. !!!!

Well I have to be away as I have papers climbing out of my ears at the moment and lots more work to do yet.

By the way Ian I read your magnum opus again after I stumbled across the demonstrative pronoun in Acts 2:15 when I picked up on the masculine and I was nicely surprised at what you had to say. Indeed you have kept it simple to the point and that would be even beyond the best brains on offer at the RF.

well am busy and much to do

will catch up in a few weeks

blessings

Metanoia
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"As long as Ian is right, and the rest of us are conforming like good little christians, that is his only concern. Jesus was not like that".

That is wrong on so many levels, I'm not sure you realise what you say.

It would be the prayer of every Christian that they conformed like good Christians. When you put in the derogatory 'little', demeaning the whole concept, denegrating the walk of so many as no more than 'goody two shoes' types. Not sure those who walk on as Christians, without complaint, through tough and terrible times, would appreciate that.

That is not what I meant chips. I meant that to people like Ian conformity is more important than the heart.

If someone accused me of making sure everyone was conforming as a good Christian, I'd be delighted. I'm sure Ian will be, too.

Well I dont know how it works for you chips but im more than busy enough dealing with the beams in my own eyes to be running around pulling the splinters out of others. What other christians do is their business, im there to support them, not judge them as is the practice of some.

As for "Jesus was not like that" .... hello? Are we talking about the same warrior and lord here? The one who fought to the death, conquered it and rose again in order that we can live with him forever?

Yes we are. I dont think he was too worried about where my bottom sits on a sunday when he was up there dying for me. He did that out of love, not obedience.

Am I missing something, or reading too much into a phrase so glibly and thoughtlessly turned out?

Im tired of control freaks chips. I don't read jesus as one, and i beieve those truly walking in him dont need to control others.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:30/10/2009 5:37 AMCopy HTML

In reply to EvilOutsider's comment "galien, I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men."

I am reminded what Trinculo said in "The Tempest" (William Shakespeare's "The Tempest" Act 2, Scene 2)

"misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"

John Ray (1627 -1705) more succinctly put it..."Misery loves company" He also said "Guilt is always jealous"

To further mix my quotes, as Mitzi Gaynor asked/sung in "South Pacific"...... "You get the picture?"

This is exactly what I mean. Who DO you think you are to make light of Evil Outsiders love for God or what s/he believes?

Sometimes I wonder why some of you people ever bothered leaving revival. You still think it is okay to poke fun at others who do things differently from you. Grow up!
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:30/10/2009 7:31 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

dont think he was too worried about where my bottom sits on a sunday when he was up there dying for me. He did that out of love, not obedience.

Tsk, tsk. I thought you knew your Bible? At least, you've claimed too smiley9

"And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death—even death on a cross." Philippians 2:7 & 8.

Goose.

Now why does it not surprise me that you believe he died for you because he had to, not because he wanted to?

"for God so loved the world that he GAVE his only begotten son........." gift. free. God is love in case u hadn't noticed.

Legalist.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:31/10/2009 2:40 PMCopy HTML

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 HHmmmm, Fremde - I'm sorry that you interpreted my angst as encouraging Galien, it was more the cry of someone who once regarded this particular Forum site as a marvelous tool that could be used to free people from the tyranny of the GRC.

I think Brolga (being a person who has actually met me) was the one who understood my cry.

I do however stand rebuked by you because I relied on the interpretation of others, rather than scrolling back, to see exactly what you had written about drugs/medication for depression and illnesses etc. I apologise for that.

Funnily enough, I was INCLUDING Ian as part of the 'inspirational, educating and uplifting' force on this site. I just don't feel the need to harp on the fact that I am a convert now.

The war of words between Galien, Ian and whoever else joins in, is however, not educational and it is NOT edifying. It should not spill over and consume threads that were for an altogether different topic. My opinion only.

I believe (I could be wrong) that Ian and Galien on some level actually enjoy jousting with one another. Ian is a big boy - if he didn't want to continue with Galien, he wouldn't, it is as simple as that. He has the ability to remain detached while he educates, admonishes and argues with folk on the Forum. It is that ability that sets him apart from the rest of us. (pooh-boy --excepted)

So emotively speaking--- You expected better of me than to be sucked in by Galien's points of view, Galien's heresies will be on my head (and a couple of other people) and I (only me) may get more than fleas if I lie down with dogs.

I'm sorry, I seem to be a little detached myself tonight. I have only, very slightly, taken umbrage at your admonition.

Cheers,

Glad 



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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:31/10/2009 10:47 PMCopy HTML

And in closing you pegged me squarely, I do enjoy engaging with Galien on a certain level; she provides considerable 'grist' for my 'mill' (presenting as she does, as the archetypical example of an ignorant and wholly subjective Revivalist). Again, mea culpa! smiley9

As do middle aged army and ex army white guys who think they know everything about everything (including god) and love to ram it down the throats of others, and just want to be on top, whilst having no actual care for said others outside making sure they are on the right path to "right thinking". Now I wonder why that would provide grist for my mill?

None so blind as those who will not see.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:01/11/2009 2:11 AMCopy HTML

Brolga,

Darn it, and I thought I read somewhere Galie was going to behave.

When I say behave I mean I will temper my language and keep the bitchy insults to an absolute minimum. What I won't do is ignore the truth of what is plainly in front of my eyes. To be honest Ralph, the thing that annoyed me more in revival than the oversight, was the members who watched bad things go down, complained about it regularly but never had the courage to say what needed to be said to the people that needed to hear it.

One of the things in life I don't understand is the apparent lack of courage in the average person to stand up against things that are unjust and inequitable. Just because a person is in charge of something, has a university degree or three, has managed to worm their way up a heirarchy system of any kind, or stands behind a pulpit every sunday does not make those people automatically right, trustworthy or integrous.   

As a young woman I allowed myself to be abused by a cult based on the above assumption. We all make decisions based on assumptions that are not even in our conscious minds. My experience with revival sent me on a journey to find out what is BEHIND what people do. What assumptions drive us, particularly the ones we never question. Now I question everything. I will never again allow a person no matter who they are or who they claim to represent get in between myself and my saviour.

But I will try and behave Brolga.smiley16smiley16smiley16smiley16


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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:01/11/2009 2:27 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility.

Yes, I bet Hilary Clinton thought so too.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Ian

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be
credibility

Well since your mate paul counted all that stuff as dung compared to knowing the measure of the stature of the fullness of christ, i guess we have a pretty good idea what it is worth to god.
It's just ego. That stuff exists to impress the neighbours, and if they are impressed by it then I guess they are either not very bright or they are just sucked in by the ways of the world.

Credibility looks more like this:

Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Ian,

Ha, ha, ha. Speaking of credibility, I note that you're still "picking-and-choosing" which bits of Scripture you're prepared to "...wrest to your own destruction"

Well Mr Obedience who thinks he knows god better than any of us, perhaps you would like to explain to us why all those things paul counted as dung make you more credible than those personal qualities god INSTRUCTS us to take on.

"he has shown you o man what is good, and what does the lord require of you? to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your god"

Not a degree or a position of authority in sight. Funny that.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:01/11/2009 4:30 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God.

Yes. It does. So stop waffling on about your credibility coming from other sources and show me and others some humility and kindness and I might listen to what you have to say.
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