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After talking with many people on and off this forum i have noted that when people read and hear about Brett Warrens discoveries on the errors of British Israelism, it does seem to go over there heads, and find in a bit hard to understand.I know i did at first.

Here is a summary of a few oftheimportant points.

1. The "lost 10 tribes" weren't lost - they were in Babylonia - according to Josephus. Paul and James also knew where they were in the middle of the first century A.D.

2. The Scythians were supposed to be the link between Israel and the Anglo saxons were from Magog, according to Josephus. According to Herodotus the Scythians first king about 1000 years before Darius was Targitaus. Also Herodotus said they were cannibals and ate their slain enemies and also their relatives, and they worshipped Mars. John Fox (Today, Tomorrow and the Great Beyond) tried to give the impression they kept the food laws.

3. Tamar Tephi, the so-called princess Jeremiah took to Ireland only exists in B.I. literature.

4.I will overturn overturn overturn it. (the throne) overturn meant ruin. repeated three times it is the Hebrew superlative - I will totally ruin it. Besides which the "Stone of Scone" has now been moved four times. AND besides thatthe end of that verseit shall be no moreuntilhe come whose right it isclearly states there would be no more throne until Jesus comes. This verse is referred to in Acts 15 as being fulfilled in Christ.

5. The BI geneological tree from David to QE2 was made by referring to Greek, Roman and Norse myths. We have a 1911 BI book that makes no secret of that fact. Milner, the man whose name appears on the charts as the author believed Judah was Jupiter. If you look carefully at some of the names (we used Webster's dictionary) you'll discover some disturbing things. Like Anchises was married to Venus and their son was Aeneas.

6. If Britain is not Israel then who is? The Jews are Israel. This is a whole 'nother kettle of fish because Noel taught the Jews were Edom and that God hates them based on the verse "Jacob have I loved and Esau I have hated."

7. The Tuatha de Danaan are the Tribe of Dan. I was looking in my son's "Horrible Histories" about the Celts yesterday. The Tuatha de Danaan were the ancestors of the fairies in Celtic myth. Do a word search in any electronic encyclopedia; we used Encarta. Here's a link to an online encyclopedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_De

8. The names of the rivers - the Don, the Danube, the Donau etc named by thetribe of Dan. Sorry, wrong again.Donsimply meantriverin the Indo-Iranian language of the Scythians.
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Reply to : Revivals BloodPaul was speaking to the whole 12 tribes.Would to God you would show the same love,zeal and passion for the teachings of Christ and seeing people walk in that new life of the,than you do for BI.Dear Mr Blood, Indeed Paul was speaking to the 12 tribes, but I won't repeat myself as 'space' is precious to you on your forum (forgive again my berevity). I

Oh and furthermore 'Craig', it's been easy to find the text you've been stealing and pretending to be your own. It's mostly all from the Brit-Am site and are the direct words of the author there with some subtle changes... . You are not him so stop playing this freaking game. Your old testament god will smite your ass for plagiarism... thou shalt not Plagiarise (not without referencing anyway)... though it's always fun to see RB getting excited.. hahahhaha

Forgive my frakking berevity Craig... and my vulgar profanity...  Holy crap (literally)...

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                           "  I noticed some mocking towards Prince Charles in a nearby thread and wondered what it is about the man you find 'laughable'. Should the current heir to the throne look like a Greek Collosus? Did Jesus look like a Fabio type figure or was he rather ordinary to look at? "

 

Craig, now your starting to get plain weird!

This is documentary history that may be read in the official website of the British Monarchy, that show present queen's ancestry:

- George I (he did not speak English!), married Sophia Dorothea of Braunschweig-L?eburg;
- George II, married Caroline of Brandenburg-Ansbach;
their son Friedrich was not king, married Augusta of Saxe-Gotha and were the parents of
- George III, married Charlotte Sophia of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and were the parents of the tree following monarchs:
- George IV, married Caroline of Brauschweig;
- William IV and
- Victoria, that married Albert of Saxe-Coburg;
- Edward VII, married Alexandra of Denmark (who had also German bloodline),
- George V, married Mary of Teck ? the house changes its name to "Windsor";
- George VI, married Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon;
- Elizabeth II, that married Philip of the royal house of Greece, also of German line.

1)Therefore, the British monarchy, as many others in Europe (including the Russian Czars) is a German family, in which the kings usually married German spouses and so keeping almost pure their Teutonic bloodline. Craige there is not any Israelite ancestry in the British dynasties, neither the present nor the past ones.


2)- As for Prophet Jeremiah, the Scriptures say that he was carried by the Jews to Egypt, and other ancient sources (Elmakin, Epiphanius, Abulpharagius, Jerome, Tertullian, etc.) say that Jeremiah died in Egypt. The most credited versions about how did he end his days assert that Jeremiah was stoned in Egypt.

3) Irish annals do not contain one single word about the prophet Jeremiah. There are some Irish legends that speak about a group of Egyptians, including a descendant of the Pharaoh, that landed in Ireland, many centuries before both David and Jeremiah were born, perhaps before Mosheh also. They were pagans and worshipped the sun, not the Holy One of Israel.

There are many other claims that BI pushers make, and all of them proven utterly false, but the topics at hand in these threads expose how BI pushers and similar groups deceive people. They have not any single evidence, neither the slightest hint of proof for their absurd and ridiculous claims.

 The Scriptures disavow them, history, archaeology, geology, anthropology, genetics and linguistics disprove them, science discredits them.

BI storytellers always refer to "ancient sources" to spread their lies, but they fail to point to any specific account, record or proof of any kind. If there existed historical documents which supported their claims, they would have reproduced and multiplied them in facsimile and shown them to the whole world. But they have not done that, simply because there are no such documents. They have only counterfeit items and speculative theories.

* They allege that Ephrayim, Menasheh and their associated Tribes (of which the Jews are excluded) were promised to rule the whole world, and that such prophecy is fulfilled in the British [ex-]Empire and the USA's world power.
* As they know that anyway the Kingdom of Israel belongs to the House of Judah, they have "fabricated a genealogy" by which they claim that the actual descendants of King David are the kings/queens of England!  - myths about the Britts


 

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THE STUDY OF HOSEA
By Yair Davidiy
chapter three

[Hos 3:1] Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.

These notes on Scripture may prove eventually to be the most powerful argument we have concerning Lost Israelite Identity. We are giving our own understanding while acknowledging the possibility of other valid opinions. The first union was with Gomer and represented the exiled Israelites becoming identified as, or uniting with, the peoples of Gomer meaning the Cimmerians and their offshoots. Talmudic and related traditions traced Gomer son of Japhet to the Celtic, Germanic, and Turkish peoples. The second union is with the adulterous woman and represents the Israelites synthesizing (i.e. adulterating, adulterizing) the faith of Moses with pagan beliefs and practices.

[Hos 3:2] So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley:


[Hos 3:3] And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.


[Hos 3:4] For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:

A period like today? no real belief, no real prince, no nothing but a shadow of what could be.


[Hos 3:5] Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

The Midrash relates these verses to the Lost Ten Tribes who turned their backs on God, the Temple in Jerusalem, and the ruling House of David. When Israel returns to search out and want these things thast they formerly rejected then will Redemption come.

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The Midrash relates these verses to the Lost Ten Tribes who turned their backs on God, the Temple in Jerusalem, and the ruling House of David. When Israel returns to search out and want these things thast they formerly rejected then will Redemption come.


 

                                                                                        ok, if you say so.

                                                                                                  Its all nuts!!!

                                                                       

 

                                                Myths about the Britts. BI teachers have only refuted less the 1% of this paper!

                                                                    

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New research on Anglesey and the Great Orme in Llandudno suggests that the history books need to be rewritten.In answer to the question posed in Monty Python's life of Brian, "What havethe Romans ever done for us?", archaeologist Dr Francis Pryor, presenter ofnew programme Britain BC says: "It has always been said the Romans did anenormous amount for Britain, but did they? "They gave us roads. Did they? We had perfectly good roads before the Romanscame. They gave us language?No they didn't. We had a perfectly good language before Latin arrived. Theygave us laws? No. Our laws weren't written down but we had them. So theygave us civilisation? No. They didn't give us civilisation! We werecivilised before the Romans came here."This force assembled for genocide left the south east of Britain exposed




England civilised!you anonymous wanker,how about the anglosaxon,s of britain whom died of cholera and typhoid,because they didn,t know how to treat their sewerage waste. over 2.1 million died.
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"The British Saved Mankind and Delivered the Jews from Destruction"It is partialy correct- though the reasons for their involvment were not because of the Jews. The Jews benifited from the Alies winning.Hitler was in favor of Jews emigrating out of Germany and Austria, however America and Great Britain had strict laws regarding Jews imigrating to their countriesAmerica had no real stance on the Jews treatment in Germany in the 1930's, in fact on December 17, 1942, the Allies issued a condemnation of Nazi atrocities against the Jews. Prior to this there is no official stance by the governemnts regarding treatment of the Jews."Conferences held in Evian, France (1938) and Bermuda (1943) to solve the refugee problem did not contribute to a solution. At the former, the countries invited by the United States and Great Britain were told that no country wo




Oh the brits saved us did they?I'd rather take my chances on Jesus you deluded man.Anyhow where was God during the Norman and Roman invasion? Never been beaten in war you said balderdash!!
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Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools
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Craig,  There is no point, no one will convince you. Because you have first arrived on the conclusion before your so called research.  As I previously mentioned that England had actually lost WWII, their umpire was lost.  But you say that is Victory (are you kidding).  Then you are saying but her brother (USA) is now the ruler, (what a perfect timing) but my friend then where is that promised Davidian King in USA? to fulfil that other scripture.

Say for a moment that England lost a War in 2010 against say China.  Then you will say well the lost tribes are now punished by God for their wickdness.  And you will find some other scripture to support it.  So you see, ---

Again about those swedish words sounding like hebrew.  If you believe the bible is true then actually all the languages should have similarity, was not there just one language?

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Yes Mr Moth, you've been perusing my homesite is seems. Much of my writing does come from Brit-Am and though you can't be sure I am not one of the authors there, it should not lessen the message I am sharing with you all. The following post will not be found through a google search and I'm sorry if my previous unreferenced quotes offended. I'm convinced that my manner of writing causes some irritation, but I don't write for the layman.
 
Please remember that we all only SEE THROUGH GLASS DIMLY as the most astute Apostle Paul reminded us. No man sees the big picture and no man as yet can tell when he should stop learning. The comments many of you are responding with are not in the spirit of open-minded debate. You accuse me of inerrency for inventing a course to a final destination, but can you not see that argument could not be countered back to you equally? I assure you, there's more to this than what many have discarded through tainted teachings of prior churches.
 
One of the reasons behind WW1 and WW2 was to strip England of her empire. England was sold out, the deal was to hand over world leadership to the USA if the USA was to enter the war. There is a tremendous struggle and war between USA and Europe European Edom (the red Jews) and American Edom for world domination.
 
The Romans were controlled by Edom. The story of Romulus represents the struggle between Esau and Jacob. A continuation of Revelation 12. The NORMANS WERE BENJIMANITES. Each successive invasion of Britain were other tribes migrating and each brought influence. The Normans instilled order and ruthless government, they also brought catholism. At the time of the Romans, Briton had 30 odd Druid Universities. Many were god-faring and the Caesars sent their sons to be educated in Briton. Some even married British Princesses.
 
All American Presidents and most British Prime Ministers and many in other English speaking nations find their leaders to be related to the HOUSE OF DAVID. England was not fully defeated by the Romans as only one Kingdom out of 13 actually fought them. They were betrayed by a plot because the BRITS fought in the water, the Romans could never gain a beach head. They did a deal with some other king to let some Romans ashore to match their strength on land. Pride come before a fall and the Romans brought in the elephants of course scared Brit horses.
 
God says he will rid Jacob of idols. This is the precise reason the Kingdom was divided because of Solomon's idolatry. The northern kingdom refused to have the house of David rule over it. Thus in order to keep the people from going to Jerusalem, they set up idolatry on the southern border with Judah and the extreme northern border, thus continued idolatry hastened the exile. The semi pagan Israelites through war and constant migration in the main do not worship wood and stone but we have traded idols for materialism and money.  Thus we are on the brink of judgement for our idolatry, but this time the lord is going to work it out of our system. We have enslaved ourselves to the Judah/Edomite money men and we are bankrupt. 
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Again about those swedish words sounding like hebrew. If you believe the bible is true then actually all the languages should have similarity, was not there just one language?

Dear Mr Bush, If we believe the Bible, the Tower of Babel created diverse language, thus similarities to Hebrew must indicate some relationship. The Phoenician dialect was very much the same as Hebrew, thus Phoenicians were Hebrew, may be Edomite of Hyksos (Red/white Egptians). 

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Anyone with a nouse for research may be able to find the truth behind the propaganda of Emperor Claudius. This was revealed for all to see last year and will be made more public very soon. Of course, you could choose to ignore these archaeological evidences and believe the lie, only to throw more insult at me for sharing it with you all. I am but the messenger, and for such should not be shot. This evidence was not discovered by British-American supporters; but luckily it was found and revealed to the doubter and naysayers.

Revealed: our friends the Romans did not invade Britain after all

The history of Britain will have to be rewritten. The AD43 Roman invasion never happened " and was simply a piece of sophisticated political spin by a weak Emperor Claudius.

A series of astonishing archaeological findings of Roman military equipment, to be revealed this week, will prove that the Romans had already arrived decades earlier " and that they had been welcomed with open arms by ancient Britons.

The discovery of swords, helmets and armour in Chichester, Sussex, dates back to a period between the late first century BC and the early first century AD" almost 50 years before the supposed invasion. Archaeologists who have studied the finds believe it will turn conventional Roman history taught in schools on its head. 'It is like discovering that the Second World War started in 1938,' said Dr David Rudkin, a Roman expert leading the work.

The discoveries in Sussex will be revealed on Saturday during a Time Team special on Channel 4 analysing the Roman invasion. Tony Robinson, presenter of Time Team, said: 'One of the frustrating things with history is that things become set in stone. We all believe it to be true. It is great to challenge some of the most commonly accepted pieces of our history.'

Dr Francis Pryor, president of the Council for British Archaeology, said it would prove controversial. 'It turns the conventional view taught in all the textbooks on its head,' he said. 'It is going to cause lively debate among Roman specialists.'

The AD43 Roman invasion is one of the best-known events in British history. More than 40,000 Roman soldiers are believed to have landed in Richborough, Kent, before carving their way through the English countryside.

The evidence unearthed in Sussex overturns this theory. Archaeologists now believe that the Romans arrived up to 50 years earlier in Chichester. They were welcomed as liberators, overthrowing a series of tyrannical tribal kings who had been terrorising clans across southern England.

Sussex and Hampshire became part of the Roman Empire 50 years before the invasion that historians have always believed was the birth of Roman Britain.

The findings and their implications will be published by Dr Rudkin later this year. The discoveries have centred on Fishbourne Roman Palace in Sussex. Artefacts found there in a V-shaped ditch include part of a copper alloy sword scabbard fitting that archaeologists have dated to the period between the late first century BC and early first century AD.

Dr Miles Russell, a senior archaeologist at Bournemouth University who has studied the evidence, said: 'All this talk of the Romans arriving in AD43 is just wrong. We get so fixated on the idea of a single invasion. It is far more piecemeal. In Sussex and Hampshire they were in togas and speaking Latin five decades before everyone else.'

According to Dr Russell, it was in Emperor Claudius's interest to 'spin' the invasion of AD43 as a great triumph against strong opposition. Claudius had become emperor two years earlier but his position following the death of Caligula was tenuous. A bold military adventure to expand the empire would tighten Claudius's grip in Rome and prove his credentials as a strong leader.

'Every period of history has its own spin doctors, and Claudius spun the invasion to look strong,' Dr Russell said. 'But Britain was Roman before Claudius got here.'

Julius Caesar first tried to conquer Britain during the Iron Age in 55BC, but storms on the journey from Boulogne, in France, to Dover caused Caesar's two legions to turn back. A force of five legions tried again in May 54BC and landed in Dover before marching towards London, defeating Cassivellaunus the King of Catuvellauni in Hertfordshire. News of an impending rebellion in Gaul caused Caesar to retreat, but not before he had made his mark.

Britain at this stage in history was not one unified country, rather some 25 tribes often at war with each other. Not all tribes joined the coalition to fight Caesar. For example, the Trinovantes appealed to Caesar to protect them from Cassivellaunus who had run a series of raids into their territory.

Dr Francis Pryor said that the findings in Sussex prove that relationships between tribes in southern England and the Romans continued after Caesar's attempted invasion. 'The suggestion that they arrived in Chichester makes plenty of sense. We were a pretty fierce force but the Romans had a relatively easy run. This would have been a liberation of a friendly tribe " not an invasion.'

Oxford historian Dr Martin Henig, a Roman art specialist, said that the whole of southern England could have been a Roman protectorate for nearly 50 years prior to the AD43 invasion. 'There is a possibility that there were actually Roman soldiers based in Britain during the whole period from the end of the first century BC,' he said.

Time Team will unveil their findings in a live two-hour special on Saturday evening on Channel 4. It will form part of the biggest ever archaeological examination of Roman Britain running over eight days and involving hundreds of archaeologists at sites across Britain. The series will investigate every aspect of the Romans' rule of Britain, from the supposed invasion to their departure 400 years later.

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It was perfectly clear that Israel,who had been dispersed for more than 700yrs,was much in jesus mind during his three years ministry upon earth,for many were the refrences to Israel made by him.As an example'let us turn to to the commission He gave to the twelve apostles inMatt.10:5-6."These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them saying.Go not into the way of the gentiles. and unto any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." these apostles were not to go to the Gentiles,nor to the Samaritans-who were the descendants of usurpers of Israel-"But to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."and they obeyed this command as far as possible.The only tribe they could reach which had any connection with Israel was Benjamin,and Benjamin as a tribe was won to allegiance to the lord.Benjamin had gone into captivity with Ju
There is no conection between The Anglo-Saxons and Israel, there a completly different race! The connection is based on lies, and false accounts of history to prove the mantle is passed on to the Anglo-Saxons. The Body of Christ now has the promise. Brittish Israel is a twisted bible message full of deceit, and become's nothing more than a infectious infactuation.


Is the Jews in Iran the Lost Tribes ? The Iranians and the Iranian Jews are living in harmony.


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Is the Jews in Iran the Lost Tribes ? The Iranians and the Iranian Jews are living in harmony. 'No', they're not; and 'no' they don't.

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'Goodmen',

Is the Jews in Iran the Lost Tribes ? The Iranians and the Iranian Jews are living in harmony. 'No', they're not; and 'no' they don't.

Ian


The beginnings of Jewish history in Iran date back to late Biblical times. The biblical books of IsaiahDanielEzraNehemiah, contain references to the life and experiences of Jews in Persia. In the book of Ezra, the Persian kings are credited with permitting and enabling the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple; its reconstruction was carried out "according to the decree of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" (Ezra 6:14). This great event in Jewish history took place in the late 6th century BC, by which time there was a well-established and influential Jewish community inPersia.

Persian Jews have lived in the territories of today's Iran for over 2,700 years, since the first Jewish diaspora when the Assyrian king Shalmaneser V conquered the (Northern) Kingdom of Israel (722 BC) and sent the Israelites (the Ten Lost Tribes) into captivity atKhorasan. In 586 BC, the Babylonians expelled large populations of Jews from Judea to the Babylonian captivity.

Jews who migrated to ancient Persia mostly lived in their own communities. The Persian Jewish communities include the ancient (and until the mid-20th century still extant) communities not only of Iran, but of parts of what is now AfghanistanAzerbaijan, northwestern IndiaKirgizstanPakistanTajikistanTurkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

Some of the communities were isolated from other Jewish communities, to the extent that their classification as "Persian Jews" is a matter of linguistic or geographicalconvenience rather than actual historical relationship with one another. During the peak of the Persian Empire, Jews are thought to have comprised as much as 20% of the population.


There might be some truth here at Wiki. smiley7


There were reports that seemed to tell a different story and situation for the Persian Jews. smiley8

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