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Re:Speaking in Tongues - brain scans

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Werner Cohn, at the University of British Columbia, took na?e students to Pentecostal churches to hear glossolalia and then asked the students to speak in glossolalia in the laboratory. They were able to successfully do so. Their recordings were then played to glossolalists who described the glossolalia as beautiful examples.

In sum, the data suggest: that glossolalia has a specific language structure based on the language tongue of the speaker; that the linguistic organization is limited; and that the capacity to speak in this type of semi-organized language can be duplicated under experimental conditions. Thus, glossolalia does not appear to be a "strange language," but rather the aborted or incomplete formation of familiar language.

This research clearly undercuts the claims of glossolalists that they speak a "heavenly language." In reality they are speaking abbreviations of their national language.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Linguistics/Glossolalia/glossolalia_today.htm

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Re:Speaking in Tongues - brain scans

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Language Centre of the Brain Is Not Under the Control of Subjects Who "Speak in Tongues"AbstractFirst Neuroimaging Examination of Participants Practicing Glossolalia Shows Decreased Cerebral Activity, Penn Study ShowsGlossolalia, otherwise referred to as "speaking in tongues," has been around for thousands of years, and references to it can be found in the Old and New Testament. Speaking in tongues is an unusual mental state associated with specific religious traditions.Complete Article10 Nov 2006The individual appears to be speaking in an incomprehensible language, yet perceives it to have great personal meaning. Now, in a first of its kind study, scientists are shining the light on this mysterious practice -- attempting to explain what actually happens physiologically to t

The New York Times Is Speaking In Tongues



Looks like the New York Times has a case of glossolalia (and a better SPECT image than Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging).
A Neuroscientific Look at Speaking in Tongues

The passionate, sometimes rhythmic, language-like patter that pours forth from religious people who "speak in tongues" reflects a state of mental possession, many of them say. Now they have some neuroscience to back them up.
Below is Table 1 from the paper of Newberg et al. (2006).


As I mentioned, oh, just the other day, (1) the authors did not correct for multiple comparisons, (2) the spatial resolution of SPECT is not that great, and (3) the rCBF reductions in right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and (especially) the left caudate were their most significant findings.

Now The Neurocritic has been meaning to do a post on the left caudate nucleus and language since, oh, June, when the Science paper by Crinion et al. came out.

Just haven't gotten around to it yet, perhaps it should be my next post.

[After the deadline for submitting abstracts for the Cognitive Neuroscience Society meeting. Whatever.]

Anyway.
Crinion J, Turner R, Grogan A, Hanakawa T, Noppeney U, Devlin JT, Aso T, Urayama S, Fukuyama H, Stockton K, Usui K, Green DW, Price CJ. (2006). Language control in the bilingual brain. Science 312:1537-4.

How does the bilingual brain distinguish and control which language is in use? Previous functional imaging experiments have not been able to answer this question because proficient bilinguals activate the same brain regions irrespective of the language being tested. Here, we reveal that neuronal responses within the left caudate are sensitive to changes in the language or the meaning of words. By demonstrating this effect in populations of German-English and Japanese-English bilinguals, we suggest that the left caudate plays a universal role in monitoring and controlling the language in use.
As usual, The Neurocritic was going to find something to criticize about the notion that "the left caudate plays a universal role in monitoring and controlling the language in use." However, if Newberg and colleagues had read the Crinion article, which was available when their revised manuscript was submitted, they could have speculated that reduced rCBF in the left caudate was related to the the loss of control, specifically of "monitoring and controlling the language in use."

But no. Here's what they say instead:
The significant decrease in the left caudate is of uncertain significance but may relate to the altered emotional activity during glossolalia.
Uh, NO. Instead of saying anything insightful about language and the caudate, they cite mostly religious articles.
Ms. Morgan, a co-author of the study, was also a research subject. She is a born-again Christian who says she considers the ability to speak in tongues a gift. "You're aware of your surroundings," she said. "You're not really out of control. But you have no control over what's happening. You're just flowing. You're in a realm of peace and comfort, and it's a fantastic feeling."
Isn't that a conflict of interest? Not that she's born-again, but that she participated in her own research study.
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Re:Speaking in Tongues - brain scans

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Hi, Eric.

How remarkably insightful that the pastor and his flock, people who were very "big" on "tongues" it seems, completely failed to abide by the injunctions Paul levied upon its use in public! Equally telling was the fact that these people apparently didn't understand what Paul taught concerning its source. If I only had a dollar for all the times they said, "the Holy Ghost speaking through me", or something similar.

What would be really interesting would be to see what results from brain scans done on people watching television. I imagine that they'd also show significant reduction in activity of the frontal lobes, given that this part of the brain is only active when the mind is engaged (as an aside, increased impulsiveness is also linked to decreased frontal lobe activity. This might explain why some Pentes do the "fall-on-your-back-and-bark-like-a-dog" routine when hyped up via "tongues"). So your small vignette on "glossolalia" simply goes to show what happens when people switch their brains to the "off" position

Blessings,

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 Hi Ian,

Sadly some people don't have a brain and perhaps that explains the lack of activity in the brain scans !!

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When pic finishes, try having a 'sticky beak' at the other pics on offer along the bottom..

 ... enjoy

Eric 

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Ian !! - you won't like this !!! 

Eric 

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Re:Speaking in Tongues - brain scans

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Afternoon Ian,

Just one objective analysis that should not easily surprise you. I must confess that I have watched Osteen "a few times" now. ( bit hard not to with him on the ACC channel and the satellite broadcasting around half a dozen times a week.) And I don't EVER recall Osteen speaking and using the "s" word ... ever !! Hamartia must be very taboo subject amongst the triumphalists. But just to prove my observation, I shall watch a couple more of Osteen's broadcasts and see and get back to this post.

Charis soi

Eric 


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Hi, Eric.

Well, you must have more of an appetite (or stomach) for such nonsense than have I From the little that I've seen of the ACC channel, I couldn't imagine intentionally watching what can only be described as generally "insipid" programming, never mind the heretical ravings of the like of Joel Osteen. To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why anyone would pay for the "privilege" of watching television in the first place.

Anyway, blessings, bro'.

Ian

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Hi, Eric.

Well, you must have more of an appetite (or stomach) for such nonsense than have I From the little that I've seen of the ACC channel, I couldn't imagine intentionally watching what can only be described as generally "insipid" programming, never mind the heretical ravings of the like of Joel Osteen. To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why anyone would pay for the "privilege" of watching television in the first place.

Anyway, blessings, bro'.

Ian



Ah Ian,

Christian Satellite is free once you have it installed .. And there are some nice interesting channels such as EWTN (Catholic)) and the Coptic Channel and 3ABN and Hope Channels ( The Seven Day Adventist group )..

But you can cop all the Osteen programmes on five different channels (The God Channel, The Church Channel, Trinity Broadcasting Network and Daystar Channel and the Inspiration Channel).. And it all fires down upon us via the Optus D2 Satellite . All up I installed it about 6 years ago upon the roof of my house ( I own it ) myself for under $200.

These days the popularity of free Christian satelite TV is soaring in Australia amongst the Christian Community and mostly thanks to the God Channel.

But for the last couple of years I rarely find time to switch it on with study loads etc.

But this post should give you an insider view of Christian Television in Aussie. There is even "Smile of a Child" Channel with Christian programming for the "little ones"...

Charis soi

Eric

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Re:Speaking in Tongues - brain scans

Date Posted:10/12/2009 6:38 AMCopy HTML

Eric, שָׁלוֹם.

Well, given what you've shared, I think I'll continue to aid my sanctification (and my sanity) by giving the "Australian Christian Channel" a miss!

Blessings,

Ian

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