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$%*'`[Deep Throat Mole]%*'`@"Pastor Simon" is alleged to have said (words to the effect that) "when people leave RCI they frequently bag individual pastors/house leaders but they are unable to criticise the doctrine" (presumably because it is 100% correct)Not so sure about BI myself!.Deep
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On 7 September 2008 Simon said or is alleged to have said "we are experiencing a drought of baptisms both here in Oz and also in NZ. Of course we are having baptisms in peoples homes and at house meetings."

"Pastor Bruce" said or is alleged to have said "we used to have 400 baptisms a year in the past..............Most assemblies outside of Box Hill are not more than 30 members (the magic Italian camp number!) but you can still have good worship/fellowship with 30 people.

General spruiking for everyone to front up to house meetings and also the 12.15PM prayer meeting at Box Hill.

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Good morning, Mole.

I've personally visited a number of RCI assemblies where there have been considerably fewer than 30 "folk" in attendance. And the same is true with respect to the RF groups of my acquaintance, too. But I would caution against making assumptions that are based solely on numbers. Consider, the church at Corinth that Paul wrote two rather long and important letters to, was comprised of between 50 and 70 people in total. Not a particularly large number. The church at Philippi had about 30 members. The church at Ephesus comprised approximately 80 members. All of these churches were very, very small by western standards! In point of fact, there was no single fellowship that comprised more than 100 members during the first 250-300 years of the Church's history, the same period of time when Christianity basically "exploded" throughout the Roman Empire!

Personally, I've always been most comfortable in fellowships of about 120 people at "max", as this number best accommodates intimacy and "complete-Body-ministry" (my current church has around 700 people, but meh). So, as far as I'm concerned, larger isn't necessarily better.

Blessings,

Ian

P.S. However, when one extrapolates the data across the Revivalist denominations as a whole, it then becomes clear that they're not making much of an impact upon the fabric of society.

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........... Consider, the church at Corinth that Paul wrote two rather long and important letters to, was comprised of between 50 and 70 people in total. Not a particularly large number. The church at Philippi had about 30 members. The church at Ephesus comprised approximately 80 members. All of these churches were very, very small by western standards! In point of fact, there was no single fellowship that comprised more than 100 members during the first 250-300 years of the Church's history, the same period of time when Christianity basically "exploded" throughout the Roman Empire!

Hi Ian,

I am interested in what source you aquired above information. :quizzical:
I have done quite a bit of searching and reading of the seven locations of the early church(s) and found it quite interesting to see what they were like in those ancient times.

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Ralph,

There have been quite a few published studies (monographs, journals, etc) into the various sizes of the original Pauline churches, and which are based on what we know about the populations of the towns in which they were located, the people whom Paul greeted within the churches, the size of the standard Greco-Roman domus ("house"), etc. You would probably need to access a good theological library to get your hands on them (there's a very good Presbyterian theological college in your neck of the woods, and from memory, it has a good library).

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Ian,

I'm not sure where the Presbyterian Theological College is located at the moment, but it could be at the Reformed Theological College in Highton. I know it is afilliated with them and there is a good library at that location. I will make further enquiries tomorrow

Many thanks

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The Mole overheard someone saying that the Follow the Star Nativity experience will not be presented this year and neither will the well presented Christmas Carols concerts be held. You may recall that these were held at Frankston and Williamstown last year as well as a presentation at the Box hill Bunker.

The Mole speculates that these have proved to be not cost effective in attracting new punters.

The Mole also wonders whether some poor financial investments may have depleted the church coffers somewhat.

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(The Mole also wonders whether some poor financial investments may have depleted the church coffers somewhat).

As mentioned in a previous posting, it was quoted by Simon, in regard to using church funds for his house renovations; "Easy come easy go"

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On 28 September 2008 Simon said that he had received a subpoena to appear in the NSW Supreme Court and he was a bit concerned about it.

Simon said that the Longfield/RCI solicotors had advised him to issue a press release dis-associating RCI with ex pastor Duker but he was not sure if that was a good idea.

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 My mail has it that PSL will go to the wall on the Duker issue, he may end up holding the can for his fathers fiscal activities. An independent audit will uncover unscrupulous dealings which span 50 years.
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And wouldn't that prove to be an interesting turn of events?!

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On 28 September 2008 Simon said that he had received a subpoena to appear in the NSW Supreme Court and he was a bit concerned about it.

Simon said that the Longfield/RCI solicotors had advised him to issue a press release dis-associating RCI with ex pastor Duker but he was not sure if that was a good idea.

The Mole
Possibly a little too late for distancing ones self.

Support and approval will be a bit hard to retract after the public display of support at the Melbourne Rally earlier this year.
He would need to distance RCI  from X P GD but also his  brother  P M D, L D and P S Mc, all being  accountable as Directors.
Then distancing RCI from the 7 other Pastors involved, some with multiple business deals between them, even S has said to have done an earlier deal and there are too numerous RCI members to count, a history of over 8 years of canvassing business deals within the church, and revealing even more Pastors in an earlier failed project.
S was warned  years ago to not get involved, deal with the spiritual and let the law deal with the rest,  step back as it would embroil the church further- it wasn't a threat it was a fact, in total arrogance he chose not to listen- possibly thinking he could shut people up and control it.

After The Melbourne Age article so many unknown people came forward with huge tax debts that they had been left  holding, when he liquidated his company, nobody imagined the extent of this situation and how many people had been effected.
RCI continue to support men who have 'allegedly' wrought the system and defrauded so many people. 
GD even keeping his whereabouts  quiet so as to avoid being subpoenaed, innocent men have no reason to hide . Pastor S Mc even telling members on the GC to not tell anyone that GD had returned to Melbourne.
There are many people with no association with RCI who just unfortunately have been duped by Ds dodgy Gold Coast property business and just want justice and to be free to get on with their lives.
The Melbourne Age is  continuing to follow the proceedings, Today tonight are very keen to report and all evidence of the Court Examinations (early Nov) will be accessible as public record.
You would think if you were being falsely accused you would welcome the opportunity to defend yourself not be avoiding the Law like a guilty man.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it, Its up to you if you believe it! Allegation big and small, soon revealed before us all. outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Even if Simon and ten or twenty of his pastors are tagged by the Courts and the Media I do not believe that it will affect the attitudes of the faithful in the pews who have been conditioned for the last fifty years to believe that the pastors share with B16 and his predecessors the attribute of infalibility in matters of theology.

Consequently the reserves will take to the field and it will be business as usual.

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I tend to think that you'd be surprised how many disillusioned people there are in Box Hill and how many families have already left, many are left reminiscing about the good old days and wonder why it's not like that now and cannot see that the leaven has permeated the church. Many folk are disgusted with pretentiousness and hypercritic and uncaring nature of the oversight (there to busy making money and investing in failed investment schemes to care about the folk then to be proper Sheppard's of the flock). They are loosing far more people then getting people in, Just look at how many hits on this topic over 1950, more than any other. Most folk at Box Hill are also aware of this site and are probably watching in great anticipation of the unfolding events.
For those reading this: there is a wonderful spiritually enriched life to be had out side, some of the talks in other churches offer real spiritual meat. You will feel like your being torn apart limb from limb as you wrestle with doing things in a different manner and I admit it is confronting, but once there, you're never look back, 
IF RCI IS DOING IT THE ONLY WAY THEN WHY IS ALL THIS HAPPENING AND WHY ARE THE FOLK SO UNHAPPY???    Just seek the lord with all you heart and he will lead you. My family and I have never been happier

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 My mail has it that PSL will go to the wall on the Duker issue, he may end up holding the can for his fathers fiscal activities. An independent audit will uncover unscrupulous dealings which span 50 years.


I have suspected for a long time that the RCI property is held in the Longfield name and not that of RCI.

Therefore if Simon gets a red card will he perhaps take his hall (as opposed to ball) and go home.

Of course if the hall is mortgaged to the rafters as a result of bad investment decisions made recently it becomes academic.

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I tend to think that you'd be surprised how many disillusioned people there are in Box Hill and how many families have already left, many are left reminiscing about the good old days and wonder why it's not like that now and cannot see that the leaven has permeated the church. Many folk are disgusted with pretentiousness and hypercritic and uncaring nature of the oversight (there to busy making money and investing in failed investment schemes to care about the folk then to be proper Sheppard's of the flock). They are loosing far more people then getting people in, Just look at how many hits on this topic over 1950, more than any other. Most folk at Box Hill are also aware of this site and are probably watching in great anticipation of the unfolding events.
For those reading this: there is a wonderful spiritually enriched life to be had out side, some of the talks in other churches offer real spiritual meat. You will feel like your being torn apart limb from limb as you wrestle with doing things in a different manner and I admit it is confronting, but once there, you're never look back, 
IF RCI IS DOING IT THE ONLY WAY THEN WHY IS ALL THIS HAPPENING AND WHY ARE THE FOLK SO UNHAPPY???    Just seek the lord with all you heart and he will lead you. My family and I have never been happier


                                                                                                                           Generally speaking, an "uneasy flock" such as you are describing is usually a sure  indicator  that God IS at work here !!. If the people are feeling restless and uneasy  within themselves  and mostly losing their inner peace, God is speaking to those  persons individually and is  leading them out. It is time for us to pray for the people  that are there and hope they obey  these Divine promptings from the Lord and find  new homes...                                                                                                                               

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Totally agree Disciple!

My concerm though is that people that are hurting and/or angry can sometimes turn away from 'church' completely and end up turning away from God. As you said, we should be praying for these people, not only that they come out but that they 'see' who it is that is calling them and respond to Him.

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                                                                                                                      Generally speaking, an "uneasy flock" such as you are describing is usually a sure  indicator  that God IS at work here !!. If the people are feeling restless and uneasy  within themselves  and mostly losing their inner peace, God is speaking to those  persons individually and is  leading them out.


Mmmm, I am inclined to think it might be the Devil in their midst. Whatever it is, God would be relying on those, like us, to make them aware and their decision to escape.

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                                                                                                                      Generally speaking, an "uneasy flock" such as you are describing is usually a sure  indicator  that God IS at work here !!. If the people are feeling restless and uneasy  within themselves  and mostly losing their inner peace, God is speaking to those  persons individually and is  leading them out.


Mmmm, I am inclined to think it might be the Devil in their midst. Whatever it is, God would be relying on those, like us, to make them aware and their decision to escape.

brolga

Not necessarily - there is an "Holy Unease" that will prompt a person into considering action and God will warn and sometimes as I have experienced, you will hear God in your heart. This is often referred to as a "Word of Knowledge" and often you will receive a picture or an impression of something that is amiss or a sin that has been committed. Of course a mis-taught person from the Revival Fellowships/Centres will not understand this but this is where you and I have our part in praying for these folk. The first thing you should always do when you lose your inner peace about a situation is to pray and commit the matter to God. Golly when I lost my peace about the former RCI now RF fellowship, I prayed and prayed and went for prayer walks by the dozen and then I made a quality decision to leave the fellowship and my inner peace immediately returned to me.. and then I had to trust God for my next steps.

Often God will play a Biblical verse over and over again in your mind like a crack record just to prompt you along. But your inner peace is usually your rule of guide when listening to the Holy Spirit...

"Do not worry about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus" Phil 4:7.

You would have first noticed and recognised that peace when God first filled you with His Spirit....

Learn to recognise that inner peace that only comes from God, Brolga, it might one day save you a lot of trouble or even your very life..Yes it is subjective but don't let that stop you..


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ps: " And let the peace of Christ rule/arbitrate in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body"..Col 3:15


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Hi Eric,

Not necessarily - there is an "Holy Unease" that will
prompt a person into considering action and God will warn and sometimes as I have experienced, you will hear God in your heart. This is often referred to as a "Word of Knowledge" and often you will receive a picture or an impression of something that is amiss or a sin that has been committed

From the very outset, I had experienced an “unease” about all that was happening in Revival, but mostly it was about the Word. Things didn’t seem to cite up with what was being preached. I never really did have any peace the whole time I was in it.

Of course a mis-taught person from the Revival
Fellowships/Centres will not understand this but this is where you and
I have our part in praying for these folk. The first thing you should
always do when you lose your inner peace about a situation is to pray
and commit the matter to God. Golly when I lost my peace about the
former RCI now RF fellowship, I prayed and prayed and went for prayer walks by the dozen and then I made a quality decision to leave the fellowship and my inner peace immediately returned to me, and then I had to trust God for my next steps.

It wasn’t until I started to gain the correct knowledge of scripture through Ian’s and Drew’s’ essays that I realised the inner peace that was void in my life was mainly due to not knowing and never shown the truth. And that has set me free and brought a peace and assurance I never knew before.

Often God will play a Biblical verse over and over again in your mind like a crack record just to prompt you along. But your inner peace is usually your rule of guide when listening to the Holy Spirit...

I am more inclined to have the Word as my guide as the Holy Spirit enlightens me in it.

"Do not worry about anything, but in everything by
prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made
known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus" Phil 4:7.

Amen

You would have first noticed and recognised that peace when God first filled you with His Spirit...

Absolutely, when I left Revival a couple of years ago, after thirty five years of false doctrine and teaching.

Learn to recognise that inner peace that only comes from God, Brolga, it might one day save you a lot of trouble or even your
very life..Yes it is subjective but don't let that stop you.

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God bless

Ralph

 

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 Disciple,

You are so right about God speaking to us.  He speaks to the heart and you know, hard to explain as it's different from our own thought patterns, but you know it's from God.  It's like the still small voice of the Lord that Elijah experienced in 1 Kings 19.

God speaks to us when we are tuned in to listen.  Praying will not be our own sided conversation if we take time to listen and are open to what God has to say.  If I am troubled by something, some life event, I pray and go to the word and listen with an open heart and God speaks.  Sometimes it's not immediate but during the normal events of the day he will speak to the heart and you just know it's from him.

I've tried to explain this to some in RF and I'm sure they think I'm a little (or a lot) crazy because God speaking within a person's being doesn't seem to sit right with the RF approach - you have the Spirit and you have your evidence and that's all you need as long as you keep praying in tongues.

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Hi, Epi.

I think you've summed up both the facts of the case and the situation admirably. Revivalists never "hear" from God (that inward perception of God making known his will that we Christians experience) because one can't really "listen" particularly well when one is too busy "speaking" (generally in "tongues")!

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Hi, Epi.

I think you've summed up both the facts of the case and the situation admirably Revivalists never "hear" from God (that inward perception of God making known his will that we Christians experience) because one can't really "listen" particularly well when one is too busy "speaking" (generally in "tongues")!

Blessings,

Ian


Hi Ian,

Tell you something funny... I had to do a 2000 word paper on modern day Catholic Mystic, writer and Trappist Monk, Thomas Merton... My My, me an ex-revivalist and I have to present it to the lecture class next tuesday.

Did discover a lot of things though but after you weed out the Marian and Catholic Traditional teachings especially the Man was indeed truly Christ focused.

Now I have to finish a 3000 worder on Dark Night of the Soul and in this exercise that the Catholic tradition does not have a real teaching differentiating between the doctrines of Justification and Sanctification like we Calvin biased evangelicals have. Never mind though, this has been a very enlightening project.

blessings

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It wasn’t until I started to gain the correct knowledge of scripture through Ian’s and Drew’s’ essays that I realised the inner peace that was void in my life was mainly due to not knowing and never shown the truth. And that has set me free and brought a peace and assurance I never knew before.

 


Yes and that "peace and assurance" was God's confirmation (or signature) to you personally that He had led you to Ian and Drew's essays.

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Disciiple

God is good, hey?  PTL

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In my case, I found that I had more of an inner turmoil towards what was happening around me in rf, and that caused me to then start praying in earnest (unlike the 'type' of praying that I had done for over 20 yrs).  For the first time in my life I began to know God as I sought Him in prayer and it wasn't long before He began to make Himself known to me.
It was like waking up from a very long and deep sleep for me, to know that I COULD have a relationship with the creator of the universe. I honestly did not know that for the whole 24 yrs in rf! 

I have learnt to trust and rely on God more and consequently I trust that inner conviction now as I hear from God. I pray that I will always be open to allowing God to speak to me - whether it be through His Word, through that feeling of inward peace and assurance or even sometimes through another person that God uses. My prayers are now more along the lines of 'YOUR will be done Lord' rather than 'I need this or that, so will you give it to me'. I would rather pray for others and for God's will to be done in bringing His Kingdom to earth.

If anyone had told me this many years ago, would I have understood?  Probably not!

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 Disciple,


You are so right about God speaking to us.  He speaks to the heart and you know, hard to explain as it's different from our own thought patterns, but you know it's from God.  It's like the still small voice of the Lord that Elijah experienced in 1 Kings 19.

God speaks to us when we are tuned in to listen.  Praying will not be our own sided conversation if we take time to listen and are open to what God has to say.  If I am troubled by something, some life event, I pray and go to the word and listen with an open heart and God speaks.  Sometimes it's not immediate but during the normal events of the day he will speak to the heart and you just know it's from him.

I've tried to explain this to some in RF and I'm sure they think I'm a little (or a lot) crazy because God speaking within a person's being doesn't seem to sit right with the RF approach - you have the Spirit and you have your evidence and that's all you need as long as you keep praying in tongues.

Epi

You know something Epi, when you do come up against a troubling situation and you do wait on God and God does speak, the reassurance that immediately comes into your heart is just mind blowing.

God is Good !!

blessings
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(My prayers are now more along the lines of 'YOUR will be done Lord' rather than I need this or that, so will you give it to me)

Hi Urch, 

Good post Urch.  There are plenty who think/thought as above - I need this or that so will you give it to me.  Although we've come from different parts of the country Urch the Rev expressions are the same as if we had both attended the one assembly.  

If there are any Revivalists reading this forum there is another way.  Please think about it when you hear someone in your church say "I prayed in tongues all day and then I said to God, God you've gotta come good".  It's sad to hear people speak like this because God is good and he well knows our needs.

You are right, Urch, when you pray 'YOUR will be done Lord' 

God Bless.

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 Sorry Urch didn't log in.  That post was from Episkopeo.
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 sounds like a great way to prepare yourself for the inevitable disappointment of your prayer not being answered... "I wasnt healed of my leprosy but it doesnt matter, must have been Gods will for me to die an agonising, limbless death"
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 Reply to Guest.

Do you actually believe that it would be God's will for someone to die an agonising, limbless death?

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Reply to Guest,

 Read the Lord's prayer Matthew 6 : 6-13.  In it Jesus said "Thy will be done as it is in heaven".   I sincerely desire God's will and purpose to be fulfilled in my life and the lives of my family according to his plan and I know that his plan for me is good.

God Bless

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Guest, are you currently attending a Revival Church or are you an ex Revivalist?
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sounds like a great way to prepare yourself for the inevitable disappointment of your prayer not being answered... "I wasn’t healed of my leprosy but it doesn’t matter, must have been Gods will for me to die an agonising, limbless death"

 

Guest,

your critical statement would suggest you have experienced some sort of trauma in relation to a miracle that didn’t happen according to your expectation or/and because you have been misinformed about scripture by Revivalist teaching.

 

There are other threads on this forum, if you care to browse and read, of the subject of blaming God for the misfortunes of children and innocents by the hands of men.

 

Having said that, may I offer you, and others, this;

 

Prayer.

God made us and redeemed us for fellowship with Himself, and prayer is an important part of that relationship. God speaks to us in and through the contents of the Bible, which the holy Spirit opens up and applies to us and enables us to understand. We then speak to God about Himself, ourselves, and people in His world, shaping what we say as response to what He has said. This unique form of two-way conversation continues as long as life lasts.

The Bible teaches us how to pray privately (Matt 6:5-8) and in company with each other Acts1:14; 4:24). In prayer, God’s people express adoration and praise; confess their sins and ask for forgiveness; give thanks for God’s goodness; and make petitions for themselves and others.

In petition the persons praying make their requests known to God, expressing their faith and dependence on Him for all things. Petition is the dimension of prayer most often highlighted through the Bible. As with the other aspects of prayer, petitions should ordinarily be directed to the Father, as the Lord’s prayer shows; but prayer may be directed to Christ, as in the days of his incarnation (Rom.10: 8-13; 2 Cor.12: 7-9), and to the Holy Spirit (Rev.1:4)

Jesus teaches that petition to the Father is to be made in His name (John14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23,24). This means invoking His mediation, as the One who secures our access to the Father, and looking to Him for support, as our intercessor in the Fathers presence.

 

We may pray to God with fervent persistence when we bring our needs to Him (Luke 11:5-13; 18:1-8); and know that He will answer our prayers. But God knows what is best in a way that we do not, and He may deny our specific requests. If He denies us, it is because He has something better for us, as when Christ refused to heal Paul’s thorn in the flesh (2 Cor.12:7-9). To say, “Your will to be done,” surrendering our own preference to the Father’s wisdom, as Jesus did in Gethsemane (Matt. 26:39-44), is an explicit way of expressing faith in the goodness of what God has planned. (TRSB).

 

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Simon didn't say anything on Sunday 5 October because he was at the Sydney Convention.

Pr Bruce from Ballarat on the topic of honour said that in his job as a Chartered Accountant he had one of his client's whose company had gone down the gurgler.  Although the client was able to shelter behind the limited liability  in his personal capacity Bruce said that he was a man of means in his own right and well able to pay his company's creditors out of his own pocket. Bruce said that he had said to the client that the honourable thing would be to do so.

Was this homily directed to some of his fellow pastors?

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Reply to D-T-M

Simon didn't say anything on Sunday 5 October because he was at the Sydney Convention.

Pr Bruce from Ballarat on the topic of honour said that in his job as a Chartered Accountant he had one of his client's whose company had gone down the gurgler.  Although the client was able to shelter behind the limited liability  in his personal capacity Bruce said that he was a man of means in his own right and well able to pay his company's creditors out of his own pocket. Bruce said that he had said to the client that the honourable thing would be to do so.

Was this homily directed to some of his fellow pastors?

Mole
Was this homily directed to some of his fellow pastors?
Maybe not if they were in Sydney, but maybe awaken the spirit of discernment and question among those that are faithful to God.
Several Pastors that have spoken their concerns as to Simons real reasons in being involved in this situation have been slowly pushed out and silenced( almost a form of excommunicated within). It has continuously been stated by a Pastor of one of the victims -Some thing doesnt make sense why Simon is getting involved there is something he is hiding. We know now it was his own business involvement with the Dukers. Many Pastors have made gains at the expense of other peoples loss. It is the theory of rob Peter to pay Paul, as money entered one hand it went straight out the other to pay who ever was yelling the loudest.
This Very suggestion (to pay his company's creditors out of his own pocket) was made when the whole Duker fiasco started to unfold the point was continually made that a repentant man would sell everything and go with out to put things right,  but the evidence in this case has been psychopathic non repentance, no responsibility has been taken at any stage but blames others, to the point of fabricating false documentation. 
In the middle of claiming their bankruptcy and decimation at the hand of others he was buying personal properties in Cavil Ave and several in the Chevron Renaissance -prime real estate in the $$Millions. Mean while families, widows and others have lost homes, hard earned honest money, relationships and  health.
 Honorable is not a word reflected in any actions of the RCI contingency in this ordeal. 
As I hear it, I'll repeat it, Its up to you if you believe it! Allegation big and small, soon revealed before us all. outa here- Outa Egypt!
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 So, let me get this straight. When you don't receive the result you specifically asked for: God has a better idea. And when you do get the result you asked for: God agrees with your request. Thats pretty convenient. 
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 Guest,

Funny that you should put it that way - because that is exactly that way it was put to me for the 14 years I was in RCI.
How Convenient indeed!

Two examples from the Apostle Paul.  Bitten by a snake on the island of Melita - continues on with no side affects, preys for the cheif of the tribe there and God grants the request.

Second, later on Apostle Paul preys about the thorn in his flesh - three times.  Jesus answers and says, NO.  His strength is made perfect in Paul's weakness.

Makes perfect sense.

What is the issue?
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 Your response merely points out that the get-out clause was evident even way back in the times of Paul.
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 Guest,

That makes God sound like a genie from a bottle, rather than a loving spiritual Father who cares for us beyond our capacity to fathom!

The relationship one has with a bottle genie is one of "grant me my wish".  That is not the relationship we have with our Father.  I am talking here about a REAL relationship that is to be nurtured and cherished, with the REAL God.

Hope that clears the matter for you somewhat,

Regards MrK
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 If having a relationship with a deity (in the case of christians, God) keeps you centered then I think thats great. 

I am talking about the notion that God picks and chooses when he will intervene in a real and tangible way and you christians use the "we don't understand Gods will" line to justify not being healed, Yet, when it comes to understanding this so-called relationship, you have a very clear understanding of Gods will.
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Reply to is_aimoo_guest

 Your response merely points out that the get-out clause was evident even way back in the times of Paul.


Trivial it may be to point this out out Paul - But there is a huge difference between Prey & Pray.
I suggest you are a little more careful when concocting your diatribe.


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 Thank you guest for pointing that out to me.

All we need to do now is to get RCI oversight to recognize this differential also so there will not be another repeat of the financial mis-haps of the current sort.

I should expect some medicine every now and then in my writing seeing how I have also commented on the quality of yours previously.

A little bit of sugar makes the medicine go down......

Regards,
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 Very petty to point out a typo/spelling mistake. 
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 (I am talking about the notion that God picks and chooses when he will intervene in a real and tangible way and you christians use the "we don't understand Gods will" (God's will - little punctuational error there) line to justify not being healed.  Yet when it comes to understanding this so called relationship, you have a very clear understanding of Gods will. (God's will)

Reply to Guest,

The main aim (and I quote from my old school catechism) is to "know, love and serve God and be happy will him for ever in heaven". That is God's will for us.  I'm sure if we do all those things he will certainly give us a helping hand along the way to confidently and successfully reach our final goal.  

Epi
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 You must feel your argument is very thin to warrant correcting a punctuation error on an informal chat forum. I am always bemused by ex-revivalists who feel they have loosed their shackles by simply joining another church with a more liberal approach. Same dog different leg action.

 
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 Reply to tommo,

Hi there tommo,

I was morely making a point to Guest that "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" in reference to Guest's post of 6/10/2008 to Mr K and I quote:-

(Trivial as it may be to point this out Paul. - But there is a huge difference between Prey and Pray.  I suggest you are a little more careful when concocting your diatribe.)

It was quite apparent what pray Mr K meant.  Also diatribe had nothing to do with Mr K's post.

DIATRIBE:  A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.    

God Bless you,

Epi

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 Epi, an easy mistake to make as there were a lot of guest posts, including one from me when I didn't log in. I didn't correct Paul on his spelling mistake, in fact, I admonished the perp. for being petty. Same goes for the the diatribe reference. So, in typical christian, "I'm right you're wrong fashion" you have assumed that because I dont share the same misguided beliefs as you that I am some sort of dim-wit.


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 Reply to tommo re the following remark in your post:-   
I am always bemused by ex Revivalists who feel they have loosed their shackles by simply going to another church with a more liberal approach.  Same dog etc.

Hi again tommo,

One of the many big differences between Revival churches and say orthodox churches is humility.  They don't point the finger from the front at other churches, barring none, and exalt themselves as being the one true church and themselves as the very elect, stimulating "the very elect" into thinking they are a cut above all others.

Believe me, tommo, I HAVE loosed the shackles and repented of this way of thinking.  My spirit has certainly been revived and with a greater reverence towards God and others.

Isaiah 57:15  :  "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones"

God's blessings to you.

Epi

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 Tommo,

I really should not have picked out Guest's error as a form of... umm .... retaliation I suppose - it achieves nothing.  I admit my mistake.

God Bless you.

Epi
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 Tommo,

I never look on anyone as a dim wit.  My beliefs are definitely not misguided.  I have searched, examined, tested and tried with a humble and contrite spirit. Jesus has redeemed me, God's word guides me and the person of the Holy Spirit counsels me and leads me on.

God Bless.

Epi


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