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Simon has also said that if the Lord did not returnby 2005then he thought many people would leave the RCI.I suppose they will nowradically modify their doctrine on the Lord's return and hope the people will swallow it. They have dropped Bible numerics as well as the talks on the pyramid. My oh my ,they are notthe perfect A grade church after all.

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Ha ha ROFLObey them ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that have the rule over you ... ^^^^^not anymore they don'tMacho Man

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 Predicting the Lord's Return is not that easy. But it look's like the RCI got it wrong and heaven forbid that any members should start questioning the oversight about being false teachers.   The following extract, in italics is taken from the Voice of Revival 2004 where they in typical RCI fashion put the blame back on the individual and  try to white wash their clangers.

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Funny that , how he has aged isn't it. I think I would have too if I were 86

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Reply to : franks ghost

Frankie,

The truth be told, I'm rather interested in learning what you believe concerning the fate of the rebel on the cross, and the issue of what was implied by the expression 'Paradise'.

Blessings,

Ian

Reply to : franks ghost

Frank,

Perhaps you should prepare yourself for the possibility of standing corrected.

Ok I have always thought that the thief was under the 'old covenant' because jesus had yet to be glorified, going to the right hand of the Father (commencing & issueing in the New) and yes in fact he would simply go to the grave on that occassion.

For starters, I think you (in common with Revivalists generally) make waaay to much of the supposed discontinuity between the Old and New Covenants, as if one was supposedly all 'law' and the other supposedly all 'grace' (and with a clearly defined line-in-the-sand separating the two)! Jesus' baptism, and with it the commencement of his ministry preaching the reality of the intruding Kingdom of God, is what really ushered in the NT covenant. Pentecost 30 AD simply served to confirm as much (sort of like an opening of the 'flood gates'), much as the giving of the Law at Sinai (which also took place at Pentecost) confirmed the covenant entered into by God with Abraham.

To develop this point a little further, can I take it that you've read Luke 10:20? This being so, precisely how do you reconcile the fact that Jesus' followers, pre-Pentecost, as they were, had their "...names written in heaven?" as a present reality and not a future one? Building on this, how do you understand the multiplied occurrences in the gospels wherein Jesus pronounced people saved (again as a current reality) by virtue of their faith? These, too, taking place well before his 'glorification'.

Thats it for me and I'm happy to stand corrected.

Cool. Might I ask whether you've read my essay on 'Paradise' at www.pleaseconsider.info? If you haven't, then perhaps you should. We will then be in a position to take this conversation further, given that you're currently conflating two quite distinct issues: the first being the timing and the nature of the New Covenant, with the second being the nature of the intermediate state (the specific application in this instance being how such was impacted by Christ's promise to the crucified rebel at Calvary).

Blessings,

Ian

Dunno where Simon was last Sunday but Geoff Beggs although not mentioning them by name bagged the Catholics three or four times. It is interesting that the management never refer to other religions that they bag by name, merely referring to their practices.They are going to go ballistic next year when B16 visits Sydney and pulls a crowd of 100,000 at Randwick Racecourse. Of course such a venue would be the devils territory as far as RCI is concerned being a gambling venue..

Then at the Communion service Pr Bruce Judkins from Ballarat used the bit from Luke 22 verses 23 onwards that the dreaded Catholics use every Sunday in the Mass which as a practicing left footer I found ironic.

One of the congregation was heard to claim that her six year old "had received" and spoke in tongues"

D-T-M

Simon said:

We must have more bums on seats so we are going to repeat last year's "Follow the Star" and the Carols.

Firstly House leaders were instructed to hose down the concerns of older members about adopting Papist practices

like a Nativity scene and Carols as these were merely the bait on the hook and once the fish were landed they would be quickly educated about desisting from such practices.  

Follow the Star is aimed at the parents with ankle biters market and contained a number of Nativity related items, Shepherds, models of what Bethlehem might have looked like at the time, The Gifts of the Magi and of course a nativity scene. This was followed by optional colouring of religious pictures for the young and coffee for the parents during which time the hard sell could be applied.

Now the carols. This was a slick concert, probably aimed at the teen/young adult market with modern versions of the carols and some new ones which the Mole, who is an old timer had never heard of. They have a lot of talented singers and musicians. Audience participation in the carols was not encouraged and Simon said that there were no song sheets handed out, neither was the overhead used to supply the words.

Any punter signing up on the basis of the carols concert will have a rude awakening when they find out that the first 25 minutes of the Sunday service consists of "choruses" interposed by a couple of "Testimonies" (It is my observation that the singing seems to be by rote and is somewhat lacking in fervour, mind you 25 minutes does seem interminable when I have to attend.)

The Mole

My how times have changed . In the 90's we were allowed to sing a coupke of traditional carols from the redemptional hymnal and that was only on Christmas day or the Sunday before it.  Now a very reliabe source tells me they even sing the Rolf Harris song Six White Boomers on their carols night.

They are desperate for new baptisms so I guess they will use any  bait to lure people in.

Trying so hard to look and sound like a real church that they're going to pretend they adore baby Jesus more than babbling jaws. Silent night and god rest ye merry gentlemen? In Revival? It smacks of deception and desperation, and that's exactly what it is. I noticed the carol advertisement on their website some time back and was gobsmacked... as was a close friend who has ties with RCI. I don't think she'd have believed me unless she saw for herself.

Sleazy Santa Simon (hahaha... uh huh -wink wink-) wants bums on seats, and he'll kiss as many Xmas asses as he can to suck the life out of them and get them following the bah-humbug Revival way. Just like don't knock Noah, and all other theatre restaurant tactics they've used in recent years, they want to look normal and mainstream, and deep down, just want to be loved. Sigh... frak that pathetic ruse. They're not interested in sharing the Bethehem story, they just want to trick naive souls into visiting other non-christmassy meetings where the gospel message of Jesus will be contorted into a mess of comvoluted salvation criteria, endless rules and laws, and non-forgiveness of natural human weakness. Where peace on earth becomes guilt and condemnation to all the merry gentlemen... and the girls can shut up and be silent.

Christmas is used by the marketing gurus of the modern world to sell products. They sell christmas cheer and plastic goodwill to move Bratz dolls and Playstations. Religion and Revival do the same. Blow the dust off the Santa dolls and nativity scene and jingles those bells... since when did Simon start caring about Jesus, or anything Jesus really had to say.

Coming soon to a Revival centre... Easter services? Bahmitzvahs?

Trying so hard to look and sound like a real church that they're going to pretend they adore baby Jesus more than babbling jaws. Silent night and god rest ye merry gentlemen? In Revival? It smacks of deception and desperation, and that's exactly what it is. I noticed the carol advertisement on their website some time back and was gobsmacked... as was a close friend who has ties with RCI. I don't think she'd have believed me unless she saw for herself.

Sleazy Santa Simon (hahaha... uh huh -wink wink-) wants bums on seats, and he'll kiss as many Xmas asses as he can to suck the life out of them and get them following the bah-humbug Revival way. Just like don't knock Noah, and all other theatre restaurant tactics they've used in recent years, they want to look normal and mainstream, and deep down, just want to be loved. Sigh... frak that pathetic ruse. They're not interested in sharing the Bethehem story, they just want to trick naive souls into visiting other non-christmassy meetings where the gospel message of Jesus will be contorted into a mess of comvoluted salvation criteria, endless rules and laws, and non-forgiveness of natural human weakness. Where peace on earth becomes guilt and condemnation to all the merry gentlemen... and the girls can shut up and be silent.

Christmas is used by the marketing gurus of the modern world to sell products. They sell christmas cheer and plastic goodwill to move Bratz dolls and Playstations. Religion and Revival do the same. Blow the dust off the Santa dolls and nativity scene and jingles those bells... since when did Simon start caring about Jesus, or anything Jesus really had to say.

Coming soon to a Revival centre... Easter services? Bahmitzvahs?

Fled

AFAICR Six White Boomers was on the list at the Carols Concerts.

Now on the fourth Sunday of Advent either by accident or Divine Intervention every member of the choir was wearing a purple garment of some description, either skirt, trousers, upper garment but I don't suppose most of you good folk subscribe to that Papist stuff anyway.

However Fled you will be pleased to know that after the usual interminable choruses interposed by no less than four "Testimonies" they finished with a token "Hark the Herald Angels Sing" Simon could hardly wait until the conclusion of the fifth or sixth verse to rush up onto the podium to point out the line about Born to give then second birth.

BTW those at Fish Creek Camp can look forward to at least two indoctrine free days, being Friday and Tuesday and I understand each Tuesday and Friday thay they remain in the Stalag.

At the close of play Simon once again alluded to the fact that Carols and Follow the Star were necessary evils and stated that it would be business as normal and bigger than better than before in the new year.

A final thought about testimonies - why is it that if "The Bible" says than the only way to go for baptism is by full immersion every testimony that I have heard specifically mentions that "I was baptised by full immersion" Is this not in the words of Basil Fawlty to his long suffering wife "stating the bleeding obvious."?

Now praise the Lord, the Mole can plead a prior sporting engagement each Sunday until Easter so the only reports that I may post until then will be hearsay ones.

D-T-M 

Please refer to the following disclaimer from the RCI website, particularly the second para. Note the very slight disclaimer re miracles!

The Mole

"Testimonials contained in this website and other RCI publications have been faithfully recorded as presented by members of the RCI with some minor grammatical changes.

Claims made by individuals containing medical terminologies and outcomes are presented in good faith. (i.e.  we are not really sure that a miracle took place!)

Personal accounts relating to previous experiences should be viewed as historical and not critical of any group, nation or sect".

The Mole

The Mole understands that one of the young blokes wrote a very nice letter to Simon suggesting that RCI move into the 21st Century and start using the NIV Bible. Simon knows obviously that in the Study Edition of NIV there are a number of footnotes which suggest that "tongues" mean foreign languages so Simon hit that delivery out of the ground and told the young bloke to go and sin no more.

DTM

My informant says that there are problems with the youth section.

(1) Simon does not approve of members seeking approbation ("friends") on Facebook, Utube etc blogs.

(2) Simon is concerned that youth members are lashing/absconding from the hall between the two meetings and in many instances fail to return for the Second meeting. He has come up with an innovative solution which is to install some new shiny chrome cafe type high tables and matching bar stools in the lunch room to try and induce the younger members to remain at the hall between the two meetings!

Mole

Simon said last Sunday that he had just returned from a (presumably tithe payer funded) junket to Europe where he attended the Italian Camp which incorporated all the European Assemblies. Total attendance was 30, same as reported by the former Pastor Alf last year so not much growth in Europe.

He also visited a number of the old Catholic Cathederals to gather information with with to give them a serve - made some comment about the high altars elevating the status of the priests putting them above the ordinary members whereas  an RCI pastors is simply one of the boys and equal in stature to ordinary members of the assembly. Yeah, right.

PS What is the horse and rider words at the top instead of the logo?

Has Simon slapped a copyright writ onto the owners of the site?