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Date Posted:07/10/2010 12:35 AMCopy HTML

I'm doing some research for a friend. Any information about RCI leaders who have operated in Scotland will be very welcome.
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Date Posted:07/10/2010 12:48 AMCopy HTML

Re to my own message as I don't know how to edit:
I'm particularly interested in anyone whose name begins with the letter 'A'. I know this is cryptic, but I have my reasons.
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Date Posted:07/10/2010 2:06 AMCopy HTML

You can't edit as an anonymous poster; to do so you must register and log-in.

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Date Posted:17/10/2010 6:39 PMCopy HTML

Well, my name begins with A, and I am Scottish, and visit there regularly, and most definitely am in RCI, so why do you ask?
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Date Posted:18/10/2010 8:48 PMCopy HTML

'Most definitely in RCI' - you sound almost proud of the fact.  And I am asking on behalf of a friend. But my inner spirit tells me not to bother corresponding with you, for some reason. You're not who I'm looking for. And I have no wish to correspond with anyone who is currently in RCI as they are an extremely destructive and abusive cult. I'm looking for information for my friend about men who were in the group in the 1990s. That's all. Nothing to do with you, as I've said.
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Date Posted:18/10/2010 9:58 PMCopy HTML

You are well off the mark on every count. I think you are confusing RCI with CAI, in which case you are on the wrong forum. And, I know that RCI were definitely not active in Scotland in that time period.

Oh, and I went to RCI specifically because they were not behaving in an abusive manner. Those who were, in the UK, and you may well know who I mean, have gone.
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Date Posted:18/10/2010 10:09 PMCopy HTML

Oh, and yes I am the guest whose name begins with A. Never noticed that I was not logged in. And I have been around in the UK for a very long time, and do know what was, or was not going on.

It is worth pointing out that ASW may have tried to call his corrupt work RCI some time in the very early 1990s, but there was a very clear separation between him and RCI well before 1995.
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Date Posted:18/10/2010 11:04 PMCopy HTML

Good morning, Allan.

It is worth pointing out that ASW may have tried to call his corrupt work RCI some time in the very early 1990s, but there was a very clear separation between him and RCI well before 1995.

Two degrees of separation. Both 'works' are corruptions of Christianity.

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Date Posted:18/10/2010 11:16 PMCopy HTML

There were RCI groups active in Scotland in the early 1990s. I know this from personal experience. So don't try to confuse me.

AWS's evil influence was present in the Scottish groups operating under the name of RCI in Scotland in the early 1990s - fact. He is the 'A' I was looking for and he's going to jail for sexual abuse. Enough said already. Facts are facts are facts.
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Date Posted:19/10/2010 1:38 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

You are the one who persistently attempts to corrupt Christianity, with your pompous, self-opinionated misunderstanding of scripture.
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Date Posted:19/10/2010 1:44 AMCopy HTML

Guest.

ASW was resident in Scotland at that time, in Dollar to be precise. And yes, I have passed his house, as I come from very near there, but have never been in.

Around 1990, maybe even 1989, ASW visited North London, which was RCI at the time, and it was notable that unlike any other visiting pastor, Ray made him sit at the back and not participate, nor talk to any of the flock. There was no communion between ASW and RCI after that, and rightly so.

What he called himself and his group, I don't know, or care. But his administration was not operating like anything ever seen in RCI.
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Date Posted:19/10/2010 2:59 AMCopy HTML

Allan,

You are the one who persistently attempts to corrupt Christianity, with your pompous, self-opinionated misunderstanding of scripture.

What? Compared to the RCI's 'mature' understanding of the same? Delusion bred of ignorance, and fed by a wholly misplaced sense of pride, runs deep among your lot and that in spite of you believing that you wield the האורים והתומים
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Goose.

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Date Posted:19/10/2010 3:09 AMCopy HTML

sardius, ; 9#, 10#

Your Revivalist self righteousness is sticking out like balls on a blowfly.
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Date Posted:19/10/2010 8:41 AMCopy HTML

Regarding ASW - a little yeast works its way through the whole batch of dough. You seem to be trying to distance yourself from him now that he's been arrested for sex crimes. Would you have done that before?

I know it is possible and even probable that not every RCI group/pastor in the UK was active in actually abusing members/family of members, but like it or not, he was the head of the church and his spiritual influence was at work - if not in the group you were part of, definitely in other Scottish groups.

And - pastor involved in sex crimes aside - RCI and it's doctrines is still a corruption of the truth.  

And - you say ASW's cult was nothing to do with RCI. But they taught RCI's doctrine, distributed RCI leaflets, worked under the name of RCI, held meetings under the name of RCI, had connections left right and centre with people all over the world from RCI, CAI, etc. To try and portray him as some kind of ostracised pastor is ridiculous. You don't fool me. I know exactly what his influence was.

I understand, though, why you don't want to be aligned to such a man - now that he's been arrested for sexual assault. It must be a difficult time for you all - to face up to the truth.
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Date Posted:19/10/2010 2:24 PMCopy HTML

As I said, we disassociated ourselves from ASW in about 1990, long before there were any accusations of immorality, largely because he was being abusive to his flock in other ways. His administration was not founded on scriptural principles.

ASW, NEVER, EVER WAS LEADER OF RCI IN THE UK.

In that era Ray Ledger was in fact the leader, and very, very different from ASW. Visitors from Australia and elsewhere did not go to ASW's work, they came to RCI in London and other places.

I know, because I was there.
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Date Posted:20/10/2010 1:44 AMCopy HTML

Makes no difference how well one does or doesn't know the bible. An asshole is an asshole is an asshole. No amount of biblical study seems to change that.
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Date Posted:21/10/2010 9:18 AMCopy HTML

> Makes no difference how well one does or doesn't know the bible. An asshole is an asshole is an asshole. No amount of biblical study seems to change that.   (and all the people said)

you hear that Ian, you angry little man?!?!

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Date Posted:21/10/2010 10:09 AMCopy HTML

Guest,

> Makes no difference how well one does or doesn't know the bible. An asshole is an asshole is an asshole. No amount of biblical study seems to change that.   (and all the people said)

you hear that Ian, you angry little man?!?!

Hmmm. My experience of your religious kith and kin has taught me otherwise. When people who follow Longfield's heresies get to know Scripture better, the net result is invariably fewer Revivalists walking this earth. So I guess it does make a difference how well one knows the Bible after all.
As for the adjectives you chose to describe me, 'meh'. I'm neither angry nor little.

Try to keep up.

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Date Posted:21/10/2010 12:35 PMCopy HTML

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Guest,

> Makes no difference how well one does or doesn't know the bible. An asshole is an asshole is an asshole. No amount of biblical study seems to change that.   (and all the people said)

you hear that Ian, you angry little man?!?!

Hmmm. My experience of your religious kith and kin has taught me otherwise. When people who follow Longfield's heresies get to know Scripture better, the net result is invariably fewer Revivalists walking this earth. So I guess it does make a difference how well one knows the Bible after all.
As for the adjectives you chose to describe me, 'meh'. I'm neither angry nor little.

Try to keep up.

Ian



You are the smallest man I ever had the misfortune to meet thomason, in every sense of the word that matters.
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Date Posted:08/11/2010 12:44 AMCopy HTML

Sardius - it's been a while but I thought you might be interested in some concrete evidence that shows CAI and RCI are one and the same when it comes to their operations in Scotland. The following quote is taken from the official governmental charity watchdog's website in Scotland, called OSCR. If you wish to check the credentials of the following quote and read it for yourself, please, be my guest - http://www.oscr.org.uk/CharityIndexDetails.aspx?id=SC007185. They are registered under CAI, but state this:

'The object of this Trust shall be to proclaim and further the Gospel of God concerning his Son Jesus Christ Our Lord and the preaching and teaching of the Christian Faith of the Revival Centres International Scotland aforesaid throughout Scotland and elsewhere in accordance with the Doctrinal Basis of Belief set forth in the schedule hereto.'

I'd highlight the REVIVAL CENTRES INTERNATIONAL bit and make it bright red so you could see it even better, but I've already spent ages in the quick reply box.

And, another small observation - whoever it was from CAI/RCI Scotland who wrote the statement has a very poor command of old legal language. Sounds a bit pompous, really. And the terminology is not used properly. These people are fakes through and through. Everything they do, even devising what is really such a simple statement if formulated by right minds and people, but hey, it is the RCI/CAI afterall. Isn't it confusing, Sardius? Now you know - I was right and you were wrong, but I knew that all along anyway, so no great revelation for me.

Oh yes, and this register is completely up to date. They are still active and last updated on OSCR in June this year, so you can't say that this is 'old' information, because it clearly is not.

Bye bye.
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Date Posted:12/11/2010 10:07 PMCopy HTML

Read it carefully before telling me that I am wrong. There is no such organisation as "Revival Centres International Scotland" and never was. Note the date, 1986. Also with their unscriptural tithing policy, the income must be much more than they have declared. Lies, lies and more lies.

I can't remember the exact date they were chucked out of RCI, but they certainly were, some time between 1986 and 1990, which means that the association between the two lasted less than four years.

I was there when ASW showed up in RCI at Stanmore, and was very plainly not welcome. They were chucked out soon after, and for very good reasons. As far as we know, the homosexual abuse started after that. If we had the slightest inkling, he would have been instantly expelled from the Stanmore meeting.

I dare you to contact pastor Simon Longfield and ask if those wolves are a part of RCI. But I know you will not do that, because your sick, twisted mind is incapable of accepting that it is wrong.
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Date Posted:13/11/2010 11:52 AMCopy HTML

Sardius, do you not understand what I'm trying to tell you?

This is not a matter up for debate any longer.

It is written in officialdom by CAI that they operate under Revival Centres International in Scotland. What is so difficult to understand about that? Did you look up the Charity Commission in Scotland's website? It is there for all to see. I don't understand your problem.

It is YOU who hasn't read the statement correctly. The statement was written by CAI itself. I will rewrite again as you seem unable to understand the truth relating to a very simple matter.
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    'The object of this Trust shall be to proclaim and further the Gospel of God concerning his Son Jesus Christ Our Lord and the preaching and teaching of the Christian Faith of the Revival Centres International Scotland aforesaid throughout Scotland and elsewhere in accordance with the Doctrinal Basis of Belief set forth in the schedule hereto.'

Now Sardius, this is the statement that CAI submitted to the body responsible for accepting charities in Scotland.

I gave you the weblink below to see for yourself.

If you cannot understand this and try to deny it - that says more about you than anything.

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Sardius, I anticipated (for some strange reason) that you would say this was outdated - but it is not, as I already told you. They last updated their 'charity' status in June, this year - that's 2010, not 1986.

I am perplexed.

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Date Posted:13/11/2010 12:12 PMCopy HTML

Sorry, Sardius - one final thought.

If you (and others in RCI as you have mentioned) do not accept Williams' CAI being called RCI, then why don't YOU do something about it, rather than asking a complete stranger to contact one of your weird pastors?

This is not rational.

But then neither are any of the behaviours/practices/beliefs in these groups.

Why don't YOU contact Longfield and all the other RCI pastors in the UK or wherever and tell them that Williams' group in Scotland was and is operating under RCI. Then allow these 'church' leaders to deal with it.

If they would actually consider it as being a problem, which I doubt.

If the other pastors in RCI hated Williams so much, I'm sure they would like to know his group does use the name RCI.

No?
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Date Posted:13/11/2010 10:25 PMCopy HTML

I believe you are sick, and are utterly unable to comprehend truth. The Charities Commission merely accepts statements like that in good faith, and don't have the resources to check.

The simple fact is that neither ASW nor any of his associates have been any part of RCI for 20 years. They can claim what they want, but that does not make it true.

As for doing something about it, if there was an organisation called "Revival Centres International Scoltand", then they, and they alone, would be entitled to take legal action. But if there ever was an organisation of that name, it was set up by ASW, and was not ever part of Revival Centres International.

I know of several so-called Revival Centres, which are not, never have been, and because of what they preach, never will be part of Revival Centres International. Nor have they even heard of RCI, or vice versa.

Also, a name of an organisation registered in Australia does not necessarily have any connection at all with a similar name registered in another country.

You are continuing to spread lies and innuendo about a church which does not condone homosexuality or any of the other abuses perpetrated by ASW. You are exposing yourself to legal action, and don't think that posting as anonymous gives you any protection, because it does not. It is easy to get a court order to compel Aimoo to reveal your IP address, and another order to force your ISP to reveal your identity. Then you can be sued for libel in a Scottish (or wherever you are) court, and likely bankrupted, unless you have lots and lots of money.

But, far more importantly that that, do you not care about what the Lord, to whom we are all answerable, thinks about your deceitful actions?
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Date Posted:13/11/2010 11:42 PMCopy HTML

Sardius - don't you dare threaten me!

CAI is the same as RCI in Scotland. End of discussion.

The Charity Commission is a government body in Scotland (I'm guessing you are foreign - call it instinct). So you are STILL denying that RCI has NEVER operated in Scotland? It is YOU who is wrong, my friend.

Threaten me with legal action? Really? Go ahead. I'm waiting with baited breath.

Sue me for claiming that ASW and CAI used the name of RCI? - It's the truth.

By the way - Sardius - I am not scared of any form of 'legal action' whatsoever. I have recently contacted someone in local government to try to expose what CAI/RCI are doing in Scotland - I have nothing to fear. CAI/RCI, on the other hand, have everything to fear.
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Sardius - you have made me very angry with your threats of legal action. I'm not taking this lightly.

How dare you?

Stick to your word, Sardius. Let's see how far you get!

Or why don't you contact the Charity Commission itself to enlighten them?

It's not ME who has called Williams' groups RCI - they have you complete idiot. Whether or not they are associated with the 'real' RCI - the 'church' you are so proud of - is besides the point!!!!

CAI claim to be RCI - THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE INVENTED SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU THREATENING TO SUE ME YOU MORON?

I expect your threats are designed to intimidate and I DO NOT take that lightly.

I fear nothing from you Sardius and your pathetic CAI/RCI friends.

Go to hell.
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Sardius,

You're presenting as an overzealous twit. The evidence is there for all to see; I've checked it out for myself The CAI does represent itself as being the 'Revival Centres International' in Scotland, it was a fully endorsed and accepted part of the wider RCI fraternity, and it once bore the imprimatur of your former pope, Lloyd R. Longfield.

Goose.

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You, Ian, are the pompous, arrogant, over-zealous, incompetent twit here, proclaiming your false gospel, the doctrine of concision. This guy in Scotland who seems to think that I am foreign is a mere sicko. But is he really Scottish?

You are both so stupid that you can't distinguish between what some scumbag pervert says on his charity registration and the truth. ASW has not, repeat not, been part of RCI for 20 years. He was kicked out. An Australian pastor confirmed as much to me today. There is not a single person, oversight or flock, in RCI who regard ASW as in fellowship. Get that through your thick heads.

By the way Ian, were you not revelling in the alleged fact that some infant had been through what you call a "Christian" baptism not very long ago. Nowhere, repeat nowhere, does scripture, even your twisted version of it, authorise baptising infants.

Go away, you nasty, warped little heretic wolf in wolves clothing.
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Date Posted:14/11/2010 9:31 PMCopy HTML

Good morning, Allen.

You, Ian, are the pompous, arrogant, over-zealous, incompetent twit here, proclaiming your false gospel, the doctrine of concision. You think? By the way, I'm loving your 'Revivalisms'! "The doctrine of concision" ... You are both so stupid that you can't distinguish between what some scumbag pervert says on his charity registration and the truth. ASW has not, repeat not, been part of RCI for 20 years. He was kicked out. An Australian pastor confirmed as much to me today. There is not a single person, oversight or flock, in RCI who regard ASW as in fellowship. Get that through your thick heads. I suggest that you go back and review my reply to you. Note the use of 'past tense', which indicates something that once was (which you've denied) rather than something that now is (which nobody has denied).

By the way Ian, were you not revelling in the alleged fact that some infant had been through what you call a "Christian" baptism not very long ago. Nowhere, repeat nowhere, does scripture, even your twisted version of it, authorise baptising infants. Well that's rather interesting given that nowhere in Scripture do we find baptism my "full immersion of consenting adults" being mandated either. Go away, you nasty, warped little heretic wolf in wolves clothing. You do 'nasty' rather well yourself, my misguided fiend ... oops, I meant 'friend'.

Repent.

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Date Posted:14/11/2010 11:02 PMCopy HTML

Sardius - I'd like you to know that I am not stupid enough to imagine that all RCI/CAI churches in Australia and elsewhere are the same as ASW's Scottish groups. OK? I have never claimed that and to suggest that I have is misrepresenting what the issue is here.

I understand that ASW was and is completely warped and that his may well be the only group using the name of CAI and RCI where these awful things have occurred. Most of the other 'meetings', 'churches', whatever you say you are, may just practice preaching false theology, which is terrible in itself, but not exactly a 'crime' in the sense that ASW has committed.

I don't know just how 'mainstream' RCI/CAI is in Australia, Sardius, but in Scotland ASW's CAI/RCI (because he uses both names - a fact whether you like it or not) is nothing more than a secretive religious cult that hardly anyone has heard of.

And instead of getting annoyed with someone who has enlightentened you to the fact that ASW does claim to be operating under RCI as well as CAI in Scotland, why don't you present this issue to your wonderful RCI pastors/leaders, whatever you call them, and have them deal with it?

If your RCI is as 'clean' and upright as you are at pains to express then I would imagine that, from a pastors point of view, they would not want ASW's group to continue to use RCI as a means of registering their charity status in Scotland.

But, really. You are wasting your time trying to blame ME for this - bizarre, no?

Anyway, I've had enough of this now. I had no idea it would become such an 'issue'. It is there in black and white and if you don't like the fact, then get your lovely pastors in RCI to deal with what is an established fact and not something I'm inventing to paint RCI in a bad light. Although their teaching of false theology casts a very dark shadow.
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Will oh snap Pictures, Images and Photos

Oh Sardius!

You are the new Revival poster boy!

More please
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I do not recognise that guy, or the location. For your information, I am not a skinny little twit with no beard. Who is he? Should I know him?

Of course if he is in CAI I will not know him.
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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:16/11/2010 8:17 AMCopy HTML

Reply to sardius

 For your information, I am not a skinny little twit with no beard.


omg... you walked into this one...

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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:17/11/2010 11:21 AMCopy HTML

Still nothing like me! You may as well give up, as you have zero chance of getting it right.
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Date Posted:17/11/2010 11:22 AMCopy HTML

Still nothing like me! You may as well give up, as you have zero chance of getting it right.
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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:17/11/2010 12:04 PMCopy HTML

 Awww really?

Yep, I give up. smiley26
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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:17/11/2010 12:08 PMCopy HTML

Allen,

Still nothing like me! You may as well give up, as you have zero chance of getting it right. Perhaps not in looks, but I reckon it would be close concerning attitude. As an aside, you stand 'zero' chance of 'getting it right' while you hang on to that spiritual shipwreck that is 'Revivalism'.

Repent and embrace the Gospel.

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Date Posted:18/11/2010 9:01 PMCopy HTML

What is the status of the charges that Anthony Scott Williams is facing? Has he been convicted? Found not guilty? Or are the charges still pending?

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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:12/12/2010 12:16 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

You can't even spell my name correctly, but why should I be surprised, since you seem to be unable to grasp any other hard facts?
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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:12/12/2010 4:53 AMCopy HTML

Sardius,

You can't even spell my name correctly, but why should I be surprised, since you seem to be unable to grasp any other hard facts? Ha, ha, ha. You're quite the hoot, Alan. You've not changed a great deal since the days that you used to run that ridiculous RF website in the UK, have you?

Goose.

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Date Posted:12/12/2010 9:45 AMCopy HTML

What was ridiculous about the web site? I know it became ridiculous later, when a usurper took over, with numerous bugs, broken links and copyright violations, but in my day it worked correctly.
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Re:Scotland and RCI

Date Posted:12/12/2010 10:26 AMCopy HTML

PROOF THAT ASW LEFT RCI AROUND 1990

http://forum1.aimoo.com/revival/Revival-churches-History-rc-CultWeb-net/Euro-Revival-Centres-Split-ACA-Split-1-1009112.html

His letter contains some blatant lies, but nevertheless it is very clear that the association ended.
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