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PrincessValiant
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Last year I was going through the most painful time in my life when the husband I love so much suddenly left our marriage of then 12 years for another woman he said he had known only 3 days!

He left me in a state of intense grief with our then nine year old little girl who has an autistic spectrum disorder. I was just recovering from long term illness my self and the whole thing took its toll on me enormously. Unfortunately i was invited by some Revivalists to attend church with them They took over my life so very quickly that within a few months I was trying to pull away from them and avoid them. However my little girl had enjoyed the time she had spent with some of the other little girls at the meetings, and wanted to continue to attend.

Being in grief and wanting my child to have experiences with children that she enjoyed during this very hard time for both of us, it seemed OK. though I was aware the group held some doctrinal beliefs I did not agree with. I made it quite clear i was just a visitor and did not intend to become a member. Yet despite the control the lure of promises of much needed help and support that were never forthcoming, were an incentive to keep coming, in my very vulnerable state.I was shocked to find these people were in contact with my husband, telling him of all the "good deeds" they were doing for me. Most being untrue, as if the appearance of doing good was the be all and end all for these people. Seeking approval from anyone at all. They also told my husband i was not copping with my child. With no real understanding or empathy for the grief i was in, and undermining my stand to try to appear strong to the man who had just emotionally run me down with a steam roller, and living in adultery!

I had no idea they had begun to secretly call DoCs making untrue allegations about my parenting ability. I am 51 years old and have had 32 years of consistent parenting experience! My first husband died in a car accident, and I have raised three other children, before my youngest was born, mostly alone!I am a very loving and devoted, dedicated and well experienced mother.

Yet due to secret contact with DoCs while posing as my friends, to both me, and DoCs, the department removed my child without any prior notice in a shockingly traumatic police raid, house invasion, and have placed my child with this trouble making couple, along with their pastor's support. She is being very abused, and missing me terribly.

I have even witnessed her being physically assaulted by the male 'carer' (mind you neither of these people are professional, trained, or registered foster carers, and have never even yet had a child between them of my childs age! Their only parenting experience being of an only child younger than mine!) After being in grief for her daddy leaving she has now been torn from me too, and placed with these so terrible people.I am banned from attending "the fellowship", since my child was taken and given to them by "authorities" more than seven months ago. I am fighting through the children's court to try to get her back, and the revivalists are opposing me, seeking to keep her until she is 18 years of age!

Can you tell me of anyone in Australia, I could talk to who has credibility regarding naming this group as the dangerous cult i know them to be. The DoCS thinks i am just being paranoid about the 'church group'. My child is constantly treated as second best and told she is not at all a Christian because she does not speak in tongues. They deny she has an autistic spectrum disorder, though she has two professional diagnosis, to the condition. and insist their abusive punishment is all she needs to "straighten her out", insisting her disability is a parenting problem!I get to see my child, who has never before been separated from me, for just one to two hours per week, under strict DoCS supervision! As does her father, separately!

This is such a terrible injustice and atrocity to my beautiful child, that I love so dearly!

She turned 11 this week and I got to see her for just two hours on her birthday. Though not without a fight to have that privilege granted! Though I was denied seeing her or even having phone contact on my birthday, (in accordance with my child's wishes), nor on Mothers day! I was permitted by the revivalist "carers" to speak to her on the phone, on speaker, for them to hear, for just one and a half minuets on Christmas Morning! The revivalists are so controlling and deceptively manipulative, they make up all the rules, and DoCS just agree!Can you believe this! The Department of Community Services seem to have no idea who they lhave istened to, and placed my innocent child with!

Please, can anyon eat all help me, and my beautiful little daughter. ~Thanking you sincerely
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Re:Revivalists have stolen my child!!

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Wow, that's a heart-breaking story there, Valiant. It doesn't seem at all just or in your daughter's best interests. It actually sounds strange for the authorities to take that action.

Which revivalist church exactly is it?

Best wishes!

Dog.
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Re:Revivalists have stolen my child!!

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Reply to : Brolga 

 
I have never heard of a like case
 
Actually there is another child in the cult group who is a "DoCS placement" also, that I know of.
My  little girl is not permitted to tell me anything that goes on with the carers, or "the fellowship".
Yet while the DoCS case worker has said, he has "no objection to me attending the fellowship", adding that "Church is a public venue, and he has no problem with it", as initially my daughter was begging them for me to be permitted to attend with her, on Sundays. However, the male carer has taken over all control and along with the pastor denied "permission" for my attendance. My daughter was quite upset about this.
My child has no adult to protect her or even be aware of what indoctrination she is being subtly subjected to. 
My vulnerable little daughter desperately whispered to me on one visit that ; "there is another girl in the fellowship, in the same position as me". She said. (quoting her words)
This information has been confirmed to me by others and I know it to be true.
Since placement, my child usually spends Sunday afternoons with the family who has the other DoCS placement child in their "care". I don't know how many others there might be. Yet there are two I know of,  in  this one fellowship alone, that is not actually a very large group, in all.  So who knows if other children are being kept away from their families in these groups.
 
One person from the fellowship who had maintained contact with me, has been warned with an ultimatum, regarding ceasing contact with me, otherwise, that person is not permitted to take part in any conversations at all with my child at group activities. Other than the words alone of "hello" and "goodbye", so as not to appear rude if my child speaks to this person.  Being told that such contact would create a "conflict of interests"!
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Re:Revivalists have stolen my child!!

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Reply to : BrolgaI have never heard of a like caseActually there is another child in the cult group who is a "DoCS placement" also, that I know of.My little girlis not permitted to tell me anything that goes on with the carers, or "the fellowship".

Can you e-mail me or tell us which assembly this is happening at?

Perhaps some of the more reasonable head pastors can be reasoned with to check out this situation.

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This is really weird! Is it an RCI, RF or other group? Which?
"for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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Re:Revivalists have stolen my child!!

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Please, can anyone at all help me, and my beautiful little daughter.
  ~Thanking you sincerely

This sounds too serious for you to be pussyfooting around here.

If you haven't done so I think you should hire a solicitor or if you don't have the money contact your state legal aid department. They will be able to make a full evaluation of what's happening and advise the way forward. Consider their advice. We're just strangers.

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The careres do not work for DoCs. They made false claims to DoCs and assisted them in removing my child. Being present outside my house when police made a forced entry through the back of my house, in a very traumatic (to both of us) surprise house raid, to remove my child.. It was planned with them, to do so. The "carers' have made many false claims in written statements. And gone to extremes to keep my child isolated from me and her own family. The pastor was involved as well., in the plan. I was the only one without any information about what was taking place. I was completely powerless. I had never set eyes upon any DoCS worker in any way, prior to my child being taken from me, and actualy placed with these people, due to their false and missleading claims, and their own agender.  Rendering me totaly powerless to do anything to help my child.
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Re:Revivalists have stolen my child!!

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OK, just hang in there sister and our prayers go with you.

Brolga.

Your prayer I would very much appreciate,

               With very sincere thanks

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Reply to : PrincessValiantPlease, can anyoneat all help me, and my beautiful little daughter. ~Thanking you sincerelyThis sounds too serious for you to be pussyfooting around here.If you haven't done so I think you should hire a solicitor or if you don't have the money contact yourstate legal aid department. They will be able to make a full evaluation of what's happening and advise the way forward.Considertheiradvice. We're just strangers.
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Princess Valiant,
I agree with RF_on_the_edge

Your case here is too,too involved for us here to help you, because of the complexity,and the possible legal aspect of this whole case.

I really think you need "LEGAL" advise here, so you can get the best result for you and your daughter. This appears to be a serios matter, so you really do need to get the best advise P.M.

Seek out "LEGAL AID" They will advise you what to do and where to go from here.

Our support here will always be with you P.M. But you need professional guidance to get the best result.

Take care, ring them now. All the very, very best.
M.S.
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Reply to : PrincessValiant : Can you tell me of anyone in Australia, I could talk to who has credibility regarding naming this group as the dangerous cult i know them to be.

Rev Dr David Millikan has set himself up as an expert in Australia of cultish groups. He is a hard man to pin down, but he may help. If you GOOGLE Rev Dr David Millikan, heaps of information about him comes up.

Have you thought to contact the media. They seem to like to follow up events such as the one you describe. If you speak to a good reporter they know the ins and outs of who to contact.

Make an appointment to speak to someone in the DoCS in at least a managerial position.

Go to the Police and speak to them, they can advise.

Make an appointment with your local Member of Parliament.

Go to a mainstream church and speak to the Minister, they can be of assistance.

and of course the obvious one speak to a Solicitor. A lot of solicitors offer free legal advice over the phone, use the phone book to find one. Slater and Gordon come to mind, especially if you have a case of your child being taken from you unjustly.

Cheers,

Glad



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Hi To You Again Princess Valiant,
I thought it was worth reminding you at this point of time to,

REMEMBER TOUGH TIMES DON'T LAST, BUT TOUGH PEOPLE DO.

So keep hanging in there my friend.

M.S.
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