just some more,

expect a miracle every day.

Some Golden day break Jesus will come

S A V I O U R (each letter was sung out)

God is good to me oh what love I see

got any rivers you think are uncrossable, got any mountains you carnt tunnel through

his alive his alive his alive for ever more

have you a saviour like this saviour of mine

get them out look them gone all the little rabbits in the field of corn, envy ,jelousy malice and pride they must never in my heart abide.

jesus keep me as the apple of thine eye

something beautiful, something good

lifr high the banners of love "hallujah"

How about more action songs

I will make you fishers of men 

Stop and let me tell you

when the gates swing wide on the other side

and then joy is a flag flown high from the castle of my heart,

ps hang there break free not all pento churchs are bad and there are also some great tradional churches out there, my wife went to a baptist church the other day and found it very powerful and moving,

earth5

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How about more action songsI will make you fishers of menStop and let me tell youwhen the gates swing wide on the other sideand then joy is a flag flown high from the castle of my heart,ps hang there break free not all pento churchs are bad and there are also some great tradional churches out there, my wife went to a baptist church the other day and found it very powerful and moving,earth5

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you forgot father abraham- but maybe that was just a sunday school song...

i know not all pentcostal churches are bad, and im sure there are alot of good churches here in perth, i know my sister loves her church which is penticostal and the biggest church here in perth, ive been but i think its too big for me- very easy to get lost and i think that is the last thing i need. i think what i realy want is a smallish church with a realy good grounding in the scriptures (cause there is alot i need to relearn without the revival slant) i also want something that doesnt have 1 leader held up on a pedistool- i dont know sometimes i read how happy and excited you, sea urchin, set free and old holborn and it makes me realy sad that i dont have that- but i get freaked out by full on christians (there are certen catchphrases that make me die inside) and i dont think i could deal with more people who judge peoples godliness/spiritualness/christianness on a sliding scale who think you shouldnt have friends who dont go to the church, or there is something wrong if you dont want to do street evangelisum.

i want my kids to grow up with a relationship with god but also the freedom to grow, make mistakes ect. without having to worry about how they will be judged by the church or to feel they have to hide what they do from me (my sister and i grew up keeping so many secrets it isnt healthy and it can be dangerous)

i dont know sometimes i read how happy and excited you, sea urchin, set free and old holborn and it makes me realy sad that i dont have that- but i get freaked out by full on christians (there are certen catchphrases that make me die inside) and i dont think i could deal with more people who judge peoples godliness/spiritualness/christianness on a sliding scale who think you shouldnt have friends who dont go to the church, or there is something wrong if you dont want to do street evangelisum.  i want my kids to grow up with a relationship with god but also the freedom to grow, make mistakes ect. without having to worry about how they will be judged by the church or to feel they have to hide what they do from me (my sister and i grew up keeping so many secrets it isnt healthy and it can be dangerous)________________________________________________________________________

Hi Break Free,  your post brought tears to my eyes when I read it. 

You are quite right - we should be able to  (1) have friends not in the church and also friends that go to other churches (2) not be made to feel we are 'unspiritual' if we don't want to go door-knocking/outreaching and ramming  OUR beleifs down people's throats  (3) we should NEVER be judged by the church we go to as that is only God's role (4) we should NEVER have to keep secrets or feel that we have to 'hide' things, and I could go on and on.

I heard a story in church the other day, it was about the prodigal son and how, when he returns we should put our arms around him and love him and tell him and show him HOW MUCH we unconditionally love him.  However, some churches don't do the above - they STONE the prodigal son.   (sound familiar?)

Break Free, I understand what you are saying about being wary of going somewhere else, but I can tell you one thing I have discovered and that is, there are some AWESOME churches out there that DO NOT judge, they wrap their arms around you and show you the way back to God.  Oops, here I go again - tears come to my eyes whenever I think about just how much Jesus loves us and wants us to draw close to Him so that He can bless us and hold us close to Him.  My heart is so full of God's love that I feel I am overflowing with it and just HAVE to pass it on to others. No longer do I have to say to people  ' you MUST speak in tongues to be saved' etc  -  now I just tell them of God's love and I understand that it is all about our personal relationship with Jesus Christ  that matters.

Rather than be seen to be 'preaching'  on the forum, you are more than welcome to email me (addess at the top) or PM me if you want to talk anytime. 

Jesus loves you BF

Love from Sea Urchin xx

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Reply to : break freei dont know sometimes i read how happy and excited you, sea urchin, set free and old holborn and it makes me realy sad that i dont have that- but i get freaked out by full on christians (there are certen catchphrases that make me die inside) and i dont think i could deal with more people who judge peoples godliness/spiritualness/christianness on a sliding scale who think you shouldnt have friends who dont go to the church, or there is something wrong if you dont want to do street evangelisum. i want my kids to grow up with a relationship with god but also the freedom to grow, make mistakes ect. without having to worry about how they will be judged by the church or to feel they have to hide what they do from me (my sister and i grew up keeping so many secrets it isnt healthy and it can be dangerous)_____________________________

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Your so right little sea urchin, where I go is completely unjudgemental. When I told them our story we were treated  just like the prodigal son, or the lost sheep that had come home.  

 Yes we  hear what is right, that Jesus payed our debt, we're no longer under the law of sin and death, but not to hide our faults, but to be open and admit them, asking forgiveness, from Jesus, and it will always be given .

Yes we hear that we should strive for a good walk, and not give in to the flesh, but no one pretends they are perfect, or holier than thou.We all need the same help, and should pray for each other.

Yes we call on the Holy Spirit to strengthen and guide us, and believe that he does, because thats the promise.

No  we dont tell anyone they are unsaved because they dont speak in tongues

No we dont have ridiculous rules on dress, length of mens hair,  courting,  etc  no one keeps a tally of how many meetings, events outreaches etc you attend , or not. Alchohol is'nt regarded as a sin, only drunkeness. Smoking is'nt a sin, it's a bad habit.,  They just are'nt concerned about these things. But of course in the revival churches they are all  means of  control by putting feelings of guilt on people. We are encouraged to have friends outside the fellowship, we do so many things together with other christians that we are all friends and help each other, visit each others churches etc. This is normal, we dont criticise, or try to change their way of doing things, because we do things differently to them. or the other way round.

Is'nt it wonderful to be free to worship and praise the Lord without fear ,and .to have that personal relationship with Jesus without guilt layed on you. Wanting to get to every thing , looking forward to the next meeting to feel the love and the joy. not from a sense of duty, but because you want to be there . Thats how I was when \I first went along to Revival, but over the years it was eroded away by legalism, politics and poor leadership. Praise the Lord for leading me to this place.

Have a happy Easter  Day, God bless.

Is'nt it wonderful to be free to worship and praise the Lord without fear ,and .to have that personal relationship with Jesus without guilt layed on you. Wanting to get to every thing , looking forward to the next meeting to feel the love and the joy. not from a sense of duty, but because you want to be there . Thats how I was when \I first went along to Revival, but over the years it was eroded away by legalism, politics and poor leadership. Praise the Lord for leading me to this place.

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Hi Old H - WOULD YOU GUYS STOP IT!!!!  My eyes keep leaking when I hear of so many people lately who are getting so blessed.  I LOVE IT!  If only I'd know sooner of the freedom, the liberty, the absolute joy of being able to praise and worship because we WANT to do these things because we LOVE GOD so much.  You're quite right old H, there is no longer a sense of obligation of 'having' to attend meetings. These days I get all excited on a Sat night cos I know it will only be another 12 hrs till I get to go and join with hundreds of other like-minded people who all WANT to get together and praise our awesome God. The 'legalism, politics and poor leadership'  sums it up really well.  Under the leadership we have now, we are all growing spiritually in leaps and bounds - I realise now that God doesn't want us to stay in a time warp as in RF where nothing changes and 'traditions of man' abound. They let fear of change hold them back from receiving God's blessings but they just can't see it.

Happy Easter to you and the mrs, old H - may you be forever blessed by the Lord,

Sea Urchin

Hey Break free, understand your fear, please dont let this hold you back, satan really wants to keep us in a place of fear. Use the caution you may have though, there are some very safe places out there, go have a look, and God will lead you to the place that is right for you and your wonderful children. A place that is safe and secure a place of love and not judgment a place where you can meet the God who LOVES YOU break free because you are worthy of his love and you are worthy of his sacrafice on the cross, please know that I and Im sure others like sea urchin and Old H, set free are praying for you and will continue to keep you in my prayers.

Be Blessed

earth5

just some more lol

have you been filled with the holy ghost and power, is Jesus real to your heart and life this hour?

Count your blessings name them one by one,

Cover me Cover me extend the borders of your mantel over me eeeee e.

The Windows os heaven are oprn the blessings are falling tonight

its the later rain its the later rain, its the later rain revival in me.

Dont stop praying the lord is nigh dont stop praying he'll hear your cry

reach our and touch the lord as he passes by.

Hi Mailboy, well Im sure you would expect a "what the" response, however I will say again we are all part of the body and each part of that body has its function and place.

Hillsong is not for everyone and neither do they expect it to be, when songs of praise was all the rage the old elim song book people thought that this songs of praise wah an outrage and the good old hymnal singers thought that the elim song book songs where an outrage an thus it goes on.

I love some of the old hymnals and songs of praise and hillsong music. Mailboy it comes down to flavour , I have learnt awhile ago because it is not my "flavour" does not make it wrong its about what gets you me otheres into a place where we can allow God to come into our lives and meet with us there in the place of worship, where we can come as inderviduals and as a church before the throne room of God and bless his holy name and Glorify him.

If you dont like hillsong style of music dont go there, find a place to fellowship where they have a similair heart as you in the end its about the fruit what is the fruit of the music,is it leading people into a deeper realtionship with God if so dont condem it appreciatte that it is doing that as much as the music the you enjoy does for you, I rejoice with you that you love this music and i ask that you allow othes to do the same

God Bless

earth5

I just never want to clap again in my whole entire life

No clapping

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Hillsong obviously think God is deaf. I am perplexed as to why the music has to be so loud and we have to "Shout unto the Lord". Couldn't we sing in a normal voice, and hope by now God in His omnipotence has now created for himself a hearing aide?Don't get me wrong I grew up loving Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Elvis (before he started wearing Liberace's clothes and imitating the Michelin Man) and of course the Beatles etc. All very, very, loud. But imagine ballads of Simon and Garfunkel, songs with a story, being shouted. Ridiculous!We had all the banal songs from the Revival Centres, despite believing we were spiritually superior to them (I am ex Pentecost Revival Centre, the fanatic loonies, who made the Revival Centre loonies etclook tame).However having been a Prodigal for many years, I was disappointed that all the "Scripture In

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Hi MB, I think I see where youre coming from, I do think there is a danger of the music becoming too important, of people forgetting their first love and transferring it to what is entertaining. Theres alot of power and influence in music, people can get carried away by the beauty of harmonious sounds, or worked up into a frenzy by others. It happens all the time in the world of Pop music, with all the swooning  and screaming etc. Theres also the tendency to make idols of the musicians, and singers, following them rather than Jesus.

Having said that  music has always played an imporant part in our worship,in our praise, and without it  church services would be very dull indeed, and more of us would likely doze off through sheer fatigue. The trouble is, there are so many styles, and fashions in music, While Jesus is the same today and for always, music styles change all the time,not always for the better if your an old fart like me. I think we should always have a good mixture of old and new otherwise theres a danger of the music becoming devisive, with Churches full of either old farts, or young trendies, and I dont think that would be a good thing. I cant comment about Hillsong, never having gone to one.

Myself, I'm happy to stand up and sing praises to God, and \I can do that  more easily if  its old familiar stuff, and the words are uplifting. ( and if the dear old pianist/ organist in our church is familiar with it )  If we only go to a place because the musics great, maybe we should think about that, it should'nt be all about music and entertainment .

\On the other hand , providing you are being fed with the word, and the Spirit is moving there , enjoy the music, and be entertained, we have that choice now  Praise God. Maybe we should swop meetings say once a month, so that we dont get in a rut, and learn to appreciate every kind of praise singing and worship.  

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Hillsong obviously think God is deaf. I am perplexed as to why the music has to be so loud and we have to "Shout unto the Lord". Couldn't we sing in a normal voice, and hope by now God in His omnipotence has now created for himself a hearing aide?Don't get me wrong I grew up loving Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Elvis (before he started wearing Liberace's clothes and imitating the Michelin Man) and of course the Beatles etc. All very, very, loud. But imagine ballads of Simon and Garfunkel, songs with a story, being shouted. Ridiculous!We had all the banal songs from the Revival Centres, despite believing we were spiritually superior to them (I am ex Pentecost Revival Centre, the fanatic loonies, who made the Revival Centre loonies etclook tame).However having been a Prodigal for many years, I was disappointed that all the "Scripture In

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I dont know whether this is worth metioning or not as I know that people have every right to their own personal opinions and preferneces

BUT ... Recently I was at the Hillsong Colour Womens Conference (which I try to get to evey year) and was very moved by something that Darlene mentioned (and I will say 'metioned' as it wasnt like she was preaching or anything at the time). She said that recently she went through a time when she felt a bit 'deflated' by the label that Hillsong had of being the "Singing Church". She said she was stirring on the inside, wanting to be so much more than just about music. With nations and generations being killed off by disease and poverty, with so much injustice still in the world, she found herself crying out to God about these things. It was in prayer that God said to her that BECAUSE of their music, they now have so much influence in the world, they have the ability to go into places where others may not be able to to.  God urged her to now connect the music with the plight of humanity. It was then that Darlene said it all just clicked, all the music so far has been a small part of Gods plan for much bigger future.

You know, we can critisise their music and challenge them about the 'biblical content' and so on (although I have to say that I find that a lot of their songs come straight from scripture, it is probably more the musical style that people dont like) but I think we have to see beyond that. Who are we to say what God's plan is for Hillsong in this area. God sees a much bigger picture than we do (thank goodness for that) and if their music is a vehicle to bring change and hope ... and dare I say it ..... financial help into areas that we only see or read about on the news, then I say AMEN!

We all acknowledge that we are one body with many different parts - YET we still wish the we were all 'feet' or whatever. Just like anyone else, I can go to a place like Hillsong  and sit and critise their music, preaching etc. or I can go in with an open heart that is ready to except people/churches for their uniquness and their special journey that God has them on. I can go back to my own church afterwards and say things like "They don't do this right, they ar totally off the track in that area", or I can take home a piece of something special that I got while I was there - the message that      "It is sooooo much than about just little old me ...... it is about a Fathers heart that is breaking over a lost and broken generation"

Like I said before, just my opinion, thats all.

Take Care

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any of you guys remember "Central's never busy" or "The shepherd's footsteps"[isgusted;]

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Reply to : xplodHi, Xplod.Has anyone heard a talk given at the Edge church in adelaide regarding worship? it is amazing. The original hebrew has about a dozen words for praise. one of which means all shout to God at once !! (like at Jerricho) it signifies God's power and that He should be praised like this.. God is not deaf but loud is a type of praise. Cool huh?Well, it probably pays to bejust a little cautiouswhen assuming the 'meaning' of specific Hebrew words, and certainly so if onehasn'tfirst checked the particularcontextsin which they appear within Scripture (and, of course, it probably helps if oneactually understandsHebrew to begin with when making pronouncements of this sort). Consider, the Israelites were also'praising/worshipping'God when they put to death their enemies by the sword! Should do

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Are we to Praise the Lord?

Praise, mostly of God, is a frequent theme in the psalms, the Hebrew title of which is "Praises" Yet praise is a theme that pervades the whole of scripture, Genesis 1 is indirect praise: direct praise is found in hymns scattered throught the books of Exodus, 2 Samuel, Isaiah, Daniel, Ephesians, and Revelation.  Words that are often used as synonyms or in parallel with "praise" and so help point to its meaning, are "bless", "exault", "extol," "glorify," "magnify." "thank," and "confess." To praise god is to call attention to his glory.

Prasing God is a God appointed calling. Indeed, God has formed for himself a people "that they may proclaim my (Gods) praise" (Isa. 43.21, Jer 13:11) Gods actions, such as Israel's restoration from the exile, are to result in God's "righteousness and praise springing up before all nations"

In the light of this calling to praise God, the often declared intention, "I will praise you O God" and the exhortations for others to praise God take on additional meaning. In giving oneself to praise the worshiper declares his or her total alignment with God's purposes. The environment of those gathering for worship, judged by such admonitions, was one of lavish praise to God. Since God is holy and fully good, God is not to be faulted, as some do, for requiring praise of himself. Praise is fitting for what is the highest good, God himself.  Praise is both a duty and a delight (Pslam 63; 3-8)

REASONS FOR PRAISING GOD,

In addition to being the fulfillment of a calling, praise is prompted by other considerations, chief of which is the unique nature of God (1 Chron, 29;10-13) One genre of the psalms, the hymns, is characterized by an initial summons, such as 'Praise the Lord" which is followed by a declaration of praise, introduced by the word "for," which lists the grounds for offering praise, often God's majesty and mercy. The shortest psalm (117) a hyumn, offers a double reason for praise; often God's merciful kindness (loyal love) is great, and his truth endures forever" Other hymns point out that God is good (Ezra 3;10-11; Pss, 100;5; 135;3) or that his ordinances are just  Ps,119:164) , that he remembers his covennat (Ps105:7-8), that his love is enduring (Ps,136), or that he is incomparable (Ps,71;19), A basic understanding in the hymns, if not in all the psalms, is captured in the theme. "THE LORD REIGNS"  Gods kingship is pronounced both in his majestic power displayed through the creation of the world (Pss, 29, 104) and in his royal rule, often as deliverer, over his people (Pss 47, 68, 98, 114) As king, God is judge, warrior, and shepherd.

Unquestionably the Book of the Psalms is centerpiece for any discussion about praise, In it the believer's vocation to praise is wonderfully modeled, so that even laments (one third of all the psalms) contain elements of praise. As a book of praises, the psalms build to a remarkable crescendo of praise (Pss 145-150) in which all creatures are summoned to incessant praise of God, as are the stars and planets in the heavens, and even the angels.

Weve got  great big wonderful God "hallelujah" great big wonderful God,

Jesus Christ of nazereth walked by the sea, he saw some men a fishing there and said come follow me ( to puff the magic dragon)

Some  bodies here and I know it is jesus, somebodies here and I know it is the Lord

I' ll never be the same again oh no, oh no no no no no

come bless the Lord, all ye servants of the Lord.

running over running over my cup is full of running over,

HEY who remembers the band from melbourne "creation" I  think was there name had Peter De Monk and some of the Longfield and Vanderstadt family very spunky girls from memory.

to Mailboy

Tammy,

Jesus my savouir looked down from above watching ,waiting, looking with love  / this is the one you meant Oh yes i remember it well

Puff

Jesus christ of nazareth walked by the sea,

 he saw some men a fishing there and said come follow me

they left there nets and followed, disiples they became,

they healed the blind the lame the sick the dumb the deaf the maimed

Oh, Jesus Christ of Nazereth repeat above

 there may be more will need to find an old book, this is from memory so not bad for an old fellow

earth5 

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Reply to : old holbornEvery time we sang "The Lion of Judha", I could hear Bing Crosby singing "the Bells of St. Marys" Really spoilt it for me. I prefered BIngs version LOLNow everyone join in and sing to the tune of "The Green Grass of Home"Old Holborn I feel your painAs I remember once againBeing asked to sing those songs, by some deluded pastorDown the aisle came the men, with their tithe bag waivingsInto them went my savingsIt was no good, to be touched by Pentecostal con-menYes they all loved to see me,Licking all their lips so greedy,It was no good, to be touched by Pentecostal con-men

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Con men is right ,

 You've got me at it now, sing this to " Ive been a wild rover"

I'd been in Revival for many a year, not mising the drinking of whiskey and beer,Cussing and swearing just  went by the board, I was happy and full of the joy of the Lord

But now I'm an outcast, and judged to be damned, for ignoring their legalist extreme demand.

And it's no, nay. never, no nay never no more, will l  bow to Revival, no never , no more

The henious sin that I chose to commit, was neither blaspheming , nor gainst Holy Writ, But a habit no worse than say , excess of food, but was ruled a no no in that legalist brood.

                                    My imperfection could not be allowed, twas fouling the Temple they swore and avowed,Yet did'nt our saviour say this didn'mean, it's what goes in our mouths that makes us unclean,

                               Chorus 

Now once more I'm happy,and so full of joy,and no one is judging this wandering boy, I roll my Old Holborn tis my great delight, and I/m praising the Lord now with all of my might. To all you revivalers still  under the law, come out and be free now, just walk out the door.

                          Final chorus.

Blessings

Reply to : old holborn

Hey old H, I didn't know you had it in you -  - only problem is that I can't get the tune out of my head now, keep whistling it at work LOL.  

Isn't is absolutely amazing & liberating that we now understand God's love and do not have to fear judgement of men any longer. I was saying to some friends who all left same time as me, that I feel so blessed and privelged that God saw fit to 'transplant' us - he just picked us up and put us down in a fantastic church where God's love rules. I have finally found an incredible personal relationship with Jesus that I just didn't have in all my 24 yrs in RF.  Maybe I should have posted this in the Empowerment thread? So, I'll finish with a 'chorus' so I don't get into trouble for going off topic..

A chorus I NEVER want to hear again -  do you know 'Happy Happy Happy'? At RF we would sing it not all that happily and a lot of us sang our own version,

'appy, 'appy, 'appy,

'appy in the Lord

praise God I'm bored (born) again

sleeping (trusting in His) through the word

I want you to know

how 'appy I am (now the meeting's nearly finished)

cos I am 'appy, 'appy, 'appy in the Lord

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Reply to : old holbornHey old H, I didn't know you had it in you -- only problem is that I can't get the tune out of my head now, keep whistling it at work LOL.Isn't is absolutely amazing & liberatingthat we nowunderstandGod's love and do not have to fear judgement of men any longer. I was saying to some friends who all left same time as me, that I feel so blessed and privelged that God saw fit to 'transplant'us - he just picked us up and put us down in a fantastic church where God'slove rules. I have finally found an incredible personal relationship with Jesus that I just didn't have in all my 24 yrs in RF. Maybe I should have posted this in the Empowerment thread? So, I'll finish with a 'chorus' so I don't get into troubl

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We hear the hevens ringing, ten thousand voices singing

All saints and angels bringing praises to Go,oo ,oo,ood,

I want to sing I want to dance I want to clap my hands and shout, for he filled me with his holy ghost and set me on fire with love, mighty love

God is good to me oh what love I see,