Hi Tommo and Ian,

As Ian says, I can answer for myself thou, but thanks Ian anyway.

The bit about coping if it was son or daughter (or whatever family member) is always a cracker question. If you want my personal answer it is "I don't really know", Simply because I have not experienced that. I have had friends in that boat. I can also see the things arise from these situations. None of it is fun, it's very heart breaking, I am sure you will agree. I also see that everyone's walk is between them and the Lord. Sure I  see things (good or bad) by peoples action, but I really don't really know what is going on with their heart and the Lord.

I know that you also understand the reason why people are asked to marry so there is no point in me saying it all over again.

Now also I gave examples of how times change as well, I was not comparing Political and Religious views as you think I might have been, sorry if I gave you that impression. If you want to put it more biblical, people don't rent there clothes anymore, or do you? Do we stone people? Do we pile ash one our head? Did they have mobile phones ringing in the synagog in the year 30 AD when there was a speaker talking (maybe something else), if so how did they deal with them? (you get my drift). Please don't tkae it the wrong way I am not trying to be a smart pants.
With RCI and ANY church for that matter, they change over time. EG, the RCI use to see merit in Numerics, but really you can do anything with numerics so what is the point? Numerics, from what I gather also really has nothing to do with salvation, or maybe you can correct me on that? If there is a church or religious system that has always been the same from the year dot, I would be surprised. Humans change, not God. Churches are run by man are they not? so one would come to the conclusion that they can change, maybe I am wrong?

I also find what you say about "Forcing " people to marry rather interesting. I have never ever in my time seen anyone being forced to marry. I know one or two that were advised to marry but never forced. If a couple did not want to get married it is thier choice. I know of people who didn't. It is the same as it is your choice to believe in what you believe or go go to wherever you want to, I am sure you know that. It is a god given right that "we" as human beings "believe" in what "we" want to. To believe in what God believes is a different matter. But it is still our right as an individual. So if a person did not want to get married, here in Australia, NO one can "force " them too, it is as simple as that. I am sure you are quite aware of that.

Sorry I have to cut it short,
Rob

Bankruptcy reform needs reform

Glimmer of hope for Gold Coast preacher's prey

KATE DENNEHY

November 15, 2009 - 6:08AM

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Sue and Craig Williams of Runaway Bay ... $150,000 out of pocket. Photo: Michelle Smith

Creditors of former Gold Coast solicitor and preacher Glenn Phillip Duker have a glimmer of hope of recouping some funds after his accountant and auditor was struck off last week.

The Companies Auditors and Liquidators Disciplinary Board (CALDB) cancelled the auditor registration of Allan Gregory Walker following an application by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC).

Mr Walker, of Melbourne, worked as auditor for Mr Duker’s failed Gold Coast property development company, RVP Group Limited. The company went into liquidation last year owing 63 creditors more than $40 million.

Mr Walker also worked as accountant for Mr Duker and his wife, Lorilea also a bankrupt.

A damning ASIC report released last week found Mr Walker failed to carry out his duties in relation to the audit of RVP’s financial reports for the 2005 and 2006.

The report said Mr Walker was: "an incompetent auditor who has demonstrated ignorance of or indifference to important statutory requirements and a lack of understanding of or indifference to rudimentary professional requirements," the report said.

"ASIC submits that the protection of the public requires the cancellation of Mr Walker’s registration."

Mr Walker had blamed investors who had lost their money of being ‘‘stupid’’. Many investors were also members of the Christian fundamenatlist church, Revival Centres International of which Mr Duker was a pastor.

Accountant Scott Bennison who is also a member of the church took up the cause for some creditors, claiming Mr Walker had a conflict of interest.

ASIC’s report agreed with Mr Bennison: "Mr Walker does not have an adequate understanding of or is indifferent to important standards of professional conduct relating, in particular, to independence and conflict of interests.  We believe Mr Walker is not a competent auditor and he should not be allowed to continue auditing."

Mr Bennison said the findings meant the company’s liquidator was in a stronger position to claim against Mr Walker’s insurance.

"This means that creditors have a greater chance of receiving some money back," he said.

Former church members and creditors, Sue and Craig Williams of Runaway Bay on the Gold Coast had been ostracised by the church for trying to get their $150,000 back.

Mrs Williams said "the saga" continued to put emotional stress on her family.

"Both Glenn Duker and Allan Walker tried to blame Craig (her husband) for the troubles with the company,’" she said.

"The ASIC report is further confirmation that we have spoken the truth and eventually we hope people will be held accountable for their actions."

Mr Walker could not be reached for comment. Mr Duker is reportedly working as a solicitor in Victoria.

Source: The Sun-Herald

Church shuns Gold Coast member over financial investigations.

A MEMBER of the same Pentecostal church as disgraced Gold Coast pastor Glen Duker has been excommunicated for daring to question the business dealings of other pastors.

Scott Bennison said he was called out of a service at the Sydney Assembly of Revival Centres International on Sunday and told he had 'gone too far' in his probe of alleged crooked deals by at least six RCI pastors linked to Duker's shady deals.

But he says he was also told that if he stopped his investigations he would be welcomed back to the fold.

Mr Bennison, an accountant, has spent the past five years investigating the complex web of deals he says Duker and other RCI pastors made with members of their flocks.

The trail of debts left by pastor Glenn Duker and his wife Lorilea has grown to almost $60 million. The massive debt could make the pair the biggest bankrupts in Australian history.

Mr Bennison said he represented 12 members of RCI congregations fleeced by Duker who stood to lose their houses as a result of being duped.

"Duker went into partnerships with these members, telling them it was for tax and GST," he said.

"He applied for and received GST refunds, but did not pass the money on and the first the victims heard was when the Government threatened to take their homes or garnishee their salaries."

Mr Bennison said he believed he was excommunicated because he had subpoenaed six RCI pastors to appear before the Administrative Appeals Tribunal of the Australian Tax Office to force them to reveal their business dealings with Duker and with members of their flocks.

"It is against church policy for pastors to do business with church members," he said.

"Obviously there is a conflict of interest if a pastor recommends a business deal to a person when he is guiding that person's life."

Mr Bennison said dozens of RCI members had been forced out of the church after complaining about being caught up in the Duker web, but as far as he knew he was the first to be excommunicated.

"I am spiritually devastated -- I have been a member of the church for 27 years," he said.

"All of the relationships in my life centred on the church and now no one will communicate with me in any way because in our church members strictly adhere to what the pastors tell them."

Despite his ordeal, Mr Bennison said he would continue to probe and expose the dealings of RCI pastors.

"Sadly the leaders of my church have lost their way," he said.

"Their rules and regulations have become their morals so I really have no alternative."

Pastor Ian McGregor -- the man Mr Bennison said told him he had been excommunicated -- refused to comment, saying it was 'none of your business' and accusing The Bulletin of trying to 'rake up dirt'.

But of course Victor Samoilenko will stand up before his gullible Townsville gathering at their little meeting hall and state:

Revival Centres the Exclusive brethren of the Pentecostal world

11.15am – Glenn Duker, Principal, Settle It Legal

Australian Securities and Investment commission  Allan Walker & RVP Glenn Duker  for 22 Dec 08

I just found this that appears to be a recent release on the Web 
(Yahoo / Glenn Duker) in PDF format  its 72 pages long and to big to put up here but provides more insight into proceedings

http://www.caldb.gov.au/caldb/caldbweb.nsf/Attbyfilename/WALKER-Decision%20&%20Reasons-1296(1)(a)%20(FINAL%20221208).pdf/$file/WALKER-Decision%20&%20Reasons-1296(1)(a)%20(FINAL%20221208).pdf

Hi Dosk I hadn't read that one, here it is for the others:  The more information folk receive the more chance of them being released from the Rules / policies (the chains) that bind them and control them. There is so much control in that place. I have spoken to a number of Brethren Pastors inadvertently by mistake in my search for a new church (they disguise them self's under the title of Community churches on the Web), There is not much difference, with RCI.either.
RCI speak in tongues and the brethren don't or some do but they don't push it. There are still controlling rules & policies that control the faithful which both churches have in common.
Every now an then something happens in our new church and you realise you were looking at things through your RCI eyes, you then adjust your thinking and another chain falls from you. I really didn't realise how much control they had over folk, it's sickening.

Former AFL star says ASIC failed him

Glenn Duker Total Conveyancing

It looks like Glenn  has been very busy on the internet and is  back in business. I can't wait for his next enlightening advice  on  Becoming A Pastor who was allowed to play darts!!!!!!! What about a blog on how to pay your debts?

Total Conveyancing is a property company founded by Glenn Duker. As a child, Glenn attended Mentone Grammar, and was one of only three students (out of almost two hundred) to score a perfect 100% in a subject. Later, he attended Trinity College, and managed to do very well. He decided to study law and property. His law career as a solicitor helped him to create Total Conveyancing as he had a very high knowledge of laws and procedures surrounding conveyancing. This lead to Total Conveyancing becoming a very successful company. In his spare time, Glenn Duker wrote about playing darts, as well as job interviews.

Becoming a solicitor

Becoming a solicitor or a lawyer is going to take a lot of hard work, but if you are good at it, then it can often become a lucrative career. Such was the case for Glenn Duker - after getting good marks at school he became a solicitor for some time, before founding Total Conveyancing in NSW. A knowledge of law will naturally be very helpful in business. However, while studying law is often seen as 'prestigious', most people won't enjoy it much, and you need to be the right type of person. A good law school can also be tremendously expensive.

Glenn Duker

Hi Brolga forgive my dry sarcastic sense of humour, I put that up there for reasons that Fled has alluded to, also for my pure disgust and sarcastic contempt at the "nice fluffy" comments written about him, which only reveal futher how deep the hypocrisy goes

Revival Centres the exclusive brethren of the Pentecostal world

Im_Out

Here is a small quote from the Williams family email:

"

Pastor Stephen McCauley came up to me (outside school- picking up kids)and repeated what Simon had said to us about squandering money at that meeting, I also spoke to Pastor Ian McGregor and he also confirmed Simon had made the same statement to him and at the Pastors meeting and passed out the document supplied by Dukers ( I use the term 'Pastor' loosely!!) Ian McGregor has had quite a part in all of this he has witnessed and admitted Victor lying to him first hand but yet he had bent to them and also attacked us and Scott. I have emails where Ian is telling me how Victor swears he didnt have business ventures with Glenn but Victor paid him a spotters fee for finding him a property.

Pastor Ian Paske is another who tried to encourage Scott our accountant to drop us and turn his back on all of it even though Scott as an Audited accountant was telling them what Glenn was doing was illegal. he also proves Simons knowledge of Glenns activities in the church as he had been involved with Ian Paske's issues with Glenn back in 2000."

Yet both Victor and Simon completely deny anything or any involvement at all.

Note this quote here:

Glenn admitted to Victor he had tried to trick us into signing joint venture agreements , we  would be classified legally as  a debt partner by name because we lent him money but by making us a joint venture was far more  beneficial to him It would have made us responsible for his debt and meant he could use our name to claim GST credits like he did to others leaving us also once it was discovered liable for those debts as well.. 

Why doesn't Victor mention these truths that Glenn is the monster that so many others have been ripped off by?

but even more telling is this:

"The day Craig and I were called to the Mermaid unit with Victor and Simon, we were devastated they had come full circle and we're attacking us. I had already been berated by Simon for not keeping 

victor informed although Victor would not return any of my phonecalls and deleted emails unread that I had sent him trying to tell him Glenn had defaulted on all the agreements Victor had tried to help us put in place. (Talk about overkill in the examinations us saying how awesome Victor is honestly!!!!)."

What dishonest men these "pastors" of the RCI are showing themselves to be. For example read this quote:

"Victor and Simon that day  also blamed us for bringing this into the church although Craig was only an employee and Glenn had been doing business back in the late 90's with Pastors and members- we hadn't even met Glenn till about 2003 - It was well and truly in the church we just exposed the fact!!"

In seems very obvious to me the innocence of the Williams family and the RCI have a reproach to bear which will not go away at all and I await the justice that will befall the RCI "pastors" for their despicable behaviour.

blessings

Meta.

Ephesians 5:3* ¶ But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness (Glenn, Lorilea & Matthew Duker), let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

 4* Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

 5* For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man (Victor Samoilenko), who is an idolater, hath any inheritance (Glenn Duker, Victor Samoilenko & Simon Longfield) in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

 6* Let no man (Simon Longfield) deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children (Glenn Duker, Victor Samoilenko & Simon Longfield) of disobedience.

A famous quote: …”Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely!” 

Smart Investor March 2010 p.95

            An academic study delving into the psychology of the elite offers a potentially useful insight into the minds of those perched at the top of any corporate ladder: the more entitled a person feels to their power, the more likely they are to abuse it.

The notion that power inspires hypocrisy is generally accepted.

After all we read about it all the time – moralising politicians caught out having extramarital affairs, chief executives of major financial institutions accepting massive bonuses while simultaneously begging governments for taxpayer money.

But to add some scientific rigour to the anecdotal, social psychologists Joris Lammers, of Tilburg University in the Netherlands, and Adam Galinsky, of Northwestern University of Chicago, conducted a series of experiments with contrasting groups of people, some of whom had been primed to feel powerful, and some powerless.

The authors found that across a set of simulations – for example, cheating at dice, keeping a stolen bike, dodging taxes – the powerful judged moral transgressions in others more harshly than themselves, while the reverse was true for their powerless peers. And although they were quick to adopt the high moral ground, the powerful groups were also more likely to cheat.

Crucially, the two academics also found that the moral hypocrisy reached it apogee among those who felt entitled to their power.

I cannot help but feel that there is a lot of truth in this article. Simon, Victor and Glenn are examples of an abuse of power. Our Lord taught the opposite humility, love and compassion. If you want to be first you have to become one of the least. 

This Released today (29/05/10) at the following Link http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/05/29/222375_gold-coast-news.html

ASIC bungle let Duker off hook

Ken Vernon   |  May 29th, 2010