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Brothers and Sisters,
My name is James (Jim)  and i was in RCI from Aug 1991 till summer '03, i have tried many other churches trying to find a spirit filled church with those that exercise the manifestations of the spirit; gifts and fruits ( there more similar than you realise).
Of all 11 churches ive been to ( 5 were of the AOG)  i have to say nothing measures upto RCI.

I find most christians (on here aswell) to be so overwhelmed by their self pride that the spirit of god cannot be in them! many on here seem to hide ander the intellectual umbrella of the self-righteouss Ian.


Let me just say Ian that for someone who spends a great deal of time studying the srciptures, brother what part of love dont you understand? you rather quote people line for line ( completely taking the overall structure of their post for granted ) with little witty remarks putting them down! i hope you show some form of meakness and humility when you reply to this one.

RCI has its internal problems, big deal, so has every church ive been too! however their doctrine on the spirit is the best ive found, people who leave cannot accept this as they cannot man-up to the truth, they make exceptions,excuses. many were put-out of fellowship and blame the pastors for everything. Take it on the chin i say!

So is Tongues really a sin guys? is it passed away?

It is the sign of the spirit at the time of communion (corinthians 14) just like prophecy is the sign of truth ( corinthians 14) ,
Did not someone special say that true worshipers shall worship in spirit and in truth?

So  in Acts  2,10,19 ?? How do people read this and come up with garbage like Peter speaking to the Jews in every language under the sun? anyone got any new ones?

So how do we justify having the spirit?
Believing in jesus as the son of god?? Big deal, half the world believes that, the devil believed that!......anyone who preaches this is not telling the whole story and is therefore perverting the truth! that is as meak as ill be!

Paul writes that when he speaks in an unknown tongue his spirit prayeth! how does your spirit pray my friends?
If you havent recieved the spirit, you are merely being conformed to these people who misinterpret scripture and are leading you to settle for something less. It is mentioned in Timothy that in the last days there will be people with a form of godliness but denying the power of god. Just look around at how many half-hearted christians there are.
Why not find out for yourself? the apostle Paul did, jesus said you will and his disciples did!
Be a partaker of what was promised, let god work his power on you.

The most important part of speaking in tongues is that you keep it personal, it is your private language to god, many churches have gone overboard and have made it a coveted spectacle, just like the Corinthian church ( did you notice however that they all did speak with tongues? )

To brother Ian, i have read your thoughts on many points and i appreciate the effort you put in to help people, however tearing down a supernatural event is beyond your  coveted intellect.If the first time you spoke in tongues wasn't an amazing event, then im afraid you, like many in RCI, havent recieved what was promised, dont let your self-pride get in the way!

God answers by fire in the bible, has he answered you by fire?


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Re:RCI Doctrine is the Best ive seen

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When one begins to proclaim the things of God
When one has faith that God will never let one be wanting for anything and He will always provide.

When one has a peace in their heart, joy in their life, natural empathy for others, patience, and a desire to walk and do that which is right in God’s sight.

When one prays always and reads the Bible for all their worth, wanting to gain that correct knowledge that leads to things eternal.

When one is wanting to be a part of the body of Christ (church), worshipping and fellowshipping with God amongst other Christians, giving one’s support to those that may have a need and having support also.

When one gives God all the glory in everything.

When one is waiting for the time and expecting to hear those words; “Well done thou good and faithful Servant”

Then, you will know one has received.

 

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Hi Brolga,

It's seems with the points above, that anyone without receiving the Holy Ghost could replicate and do.

I would want to know I'd received before I here the words “Well done thou good and faithful Servant” so that I knew I was going to here “Well done thou good and faithful Servant”.

I just want to make sure.

TMT



 



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Good morning, TMTT.

Still can't see God letting people in who turn from his ways. Why would he say to (watch) Umm.. (MK 13.36-37) this is what confuses me. Okay, but to be perfectly honest your current confusion on the issue isn't really my problem just as I can't really help you to comprehend what you apparently don't yet "see" (that is, where my theological points ultimately lead). I view my role at this forum being limited to pointing people in the direction of truth. I'm not interested in convincing them that the "truth" is, in fact, "true" (which remains God's job, not mine). Anyway, the fact of your quoting one of Jesus' "watchfulness" parables simply indicates to me that you don't properly understand the function of those particular parables, especially in the light of eschatology and the Kingdom of God. Chock that one up to your Revivalist heritage, I'm afraid.

So this (Parakletos) is the Holy spirit - the (another advocate) Jesus spoke of. Indeed. How does one know when they have received, come to know or come in contact with this advocate? I've answered this particular question already (several times in fact) elsewhere on the forum. Consequently, you'll simply have to search out the answer for yourself. However, I'll tease you a little by leaving you with a bit of a hint: how would you know when you've been "comforted" in the natural sense? Is it because you all of a sudden start gibbering away mindlessly?

Blessings,

Ian

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Qt Brolga, (It seems to me that you are seeking a sign (perhaps want to defend Revivalist tongues) to know you have recieved. Your unwillingness to accept the Gospel as spelled out in the Bible is a sign one has to question which spirit one has.)

I suppose this is the question - Which one do I have? I couldn't care less about an organizations view on tongues. And to be honest a lot of people Sadly think that Tongues is the Holy Spirit.

I can't deny having received the (Parakletos) Holy Spirit and what happened as a result of it. 

Well if there is another one I'd want to know. 

Ian, 

What's confusing me about what you say is - on one hand you yourself explain you had that very experience. 
Then on the other you seem to discount it.
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Good morning, TMTT.

What's confusing me about what you say is - on one hand you yourself explain you had that very experience. Then on the other you seem to discount it. And it's probably the case that you place far more "stock" in experiences (this one in particular) than I do "tongues", as with
any subjective "spiritual" experience isn't self-authenticating. It needs to be evaluated, and then placed in it's proper context. I give far more credibility in the written Word of God than I do to any "experience", and it remains the measure that I "test" all things against. Having done so long ago, I'm extremely comfortable that "tongues" is a remarkably minor issue; hardly one worth getting all worked up about.

Blessings,

Ian

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The Spirit’s full ministry began at Pentecost, after Jesus ascended into heaven (Acts 2:1-4).

 




brolga.



 

 


Hi Brolga,

Try going back to Genesis 1:2.

Maybe this might unsettle Ian a tad (hope not..) but Brother when I delve into the concept of the Triune God, I find that Holy Spirit does not operate independently of the Godhead at anytime. Can I advise you to do a little research next time you drop into your library on the subject of the "perichoresis".. This is something that blew my little brains into little pieces - this mutual love between the Father and the Son and the thought that we cannot in human comprehension measure this love between the Father and the Son... And when we come to Christ we as Christians partake of this same love from the Father even if we are not aware of it but nevertheless this is the reality of the Gospel..

From John 16:13 "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth (Gk aletheia - every truth) for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, because he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine. For this reason I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you..

blessings Ralph

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Hi Eric,

 

Some scholars cite the Holy Spirit mentioned in Gen. 1:2, as the same Spirit given to man, Acts 2:

Up until Pentecost God’s Holy Spirit moved within man to perform special events and reveal the mighty works of God. However He didn’t stay with man until after the time of the cross and resurrection and return to heaven of His Son.

Jesus made the way for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit on mankind and to stay with man and become like Him.

The love of God can be defined as giving of ones self for the benefit of others.

 

Ralph.


I don't think so Ralph. The Hebrew gives "ruach elohim" (plural - breath, spirit of the Gods, thus hinting at a trinitarian concept)" and the Septuagint gives "pnuema Theou" . But the Septuagint is more telling with the genitive case showing that possession belonging to God.. and also the Septuagint shows "God" as singular.

The "perichorisis" doctrine shows that the Father and Son are MUTUALLY & Totally in love with one another - now when we come to Christ we partake or share in that mutual love between the Father and the Son - and that is what is so awesome and blows my pea brain to pieces and yet the Gospel tells us that God so loved the world that He gave his only Son and how or by what standard can we lay down a measure to determine how big and incredible this love that exists between the Father and the Son. Now if we are in Christ there would or should be an outworking of that love in our lives that demonstrates to the world who we are.. Try and comprehend how big the universe is Ralphie and yet the love between the Father and the Son dwalfs that even again. I have I just read a work by Graham Buxton from Adelaide on the Perichoresis in Science and Creation and it overwhelms me the concept that the Love of God even keeps the whole creation happening. Graham is heavily influenced in my opinion by Karl Barth  BTW. But for Jesus to say a statement:" All that the Father has is mine." and is there anything greater than the love of God ??? and for us the priviledge of being in Christ to know that love.. I like how Paul puts it " agapen tou Theou"


blessings


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Hi Disciple,

Since I printed out your info on parakletos I have spent days looking into this and yes, right back to Genesis 1:2 and much in between.  In Genesis 41:38 Pharaoh acknowledging Joseph as a "man in whom the Spirit of God is".  In Micah 3:5 "But truly I am full of power by the Spirit of the Lord, and of Judgement, and of might etc".  There is just so much of the activity of the Spirit.

The scope of the Spirit is huge and can't be adequately described.  We are directed on the inside by the complete fullness of God; John 14:23 "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him and make our abode with him".

Last Saturday evening I went to church over a half hour early with my print out on paraclete,  there was a Gregorian chant playing softly in the background, I read through it and so began something which is continuing still at every opportunity.  I add also that the service was inspiring and the speaker gave a good and impassioned sermon.  

Last night an ex RFer visited and went away with a copy to study.  He is just working his way out of Rev. thinking and in need of spiritual succour.  

Thanks again and God Bless.

Epi

You're most welcome Epi.. I forgot for a moment that I had PDF it.. We have to use PDF format or Microsoft Word docx for electronic submission of Assignments .. hence you could print it out... So I forgot you could print it out.

never mind - anytime

Blessings

Eric
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Ralphie,

I read all the posts, dear chap. As I see it, Eric introduced a little grammatical verbiage--stuff that is completely irrelevant to people who don't understand the workings of the languages by the way--which you then misunderstood. This was hardly surprising given that Eric failed to properly make plain the point or significance of the aforementioned parsing data. And what was the net result? You completely misconstrued his position (still, not your fault) and apparently got into something of a theological "dither" because of what you read in the notes of the RSB.

Blessings,

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Eric,

Another "mild" rebuke if I may? You need to parade your learning less, and explain what you're trying to substantiate more (in other words, more "light" and less "heat", bro'). Noone here really cares a tuppence for Greek or Hebrew parsings (beyond you and I, perhaps), and certainly not if you altogether fail to explain the exegetical significance of said verbiage. Besides, some of what you write when you appeal to the "Hebrew" or "Greek" gives me cause me to chuckle, and will no doubt cause you to blush in a few years time (when your understanding of the languages grows to match your enthusiasm for them).

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Ralphie,

I read all the posts, dear chap As I see it, Eric introduced a little grammatical verbiage--stuff that is completely irrelevant to people who don't understand the workings of the languages by the way--which you then misunderstood. This was hardly surprising given that Eric failed to properly make plain the point or significance of the aforementioned parsing data. And what was the net result? You completely misconstrued his position (still, not your fault) and apparently got into something of a theological "dither" because of what you read in the notes of the RSB 

Blessings,

Ian


Ralphie I misread your post. I was merely pointing out that Spirit is of God - not man and both texts clearly show this to be so.. hence my referral to the genitive case.




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No-one here really cares a tuppence for Greek or Hebrew parsings (beyond you and I, perhaps), and certainly not if you altogether fail to explain the exegetical significance of said verbiage.
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I AN, you're perhaps a teensy bit wrong on this point. Some of us DO care and ARE interested in the whole 'kit and caboodle'. Eric, I enjoy reading your posts, keep up the good work.

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No-one here really cares a tuppence for Greek or Hebrew parsings (beyond you and I, perhaps), and certainly not if you altogether fail to explain the exegetical significance of said verbiage.
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I AN, you're perhaps a teensy bit wrong on this point. Some of us DO care and ARE interested in the whole 'kit and caboodle'. Eric, I enjoy reading your posts, keep up the good work.

Urch

Thanks Urch.

The fact is, Greek is very fascinating and very addictive too.. I don't know about Ian and nor can I speak for him but for me learning Greek is a labour of love. I find my devotional reading times are becoming more and more a wonderful experience when I have the Greek text easily within an elbow arms reach.... But also when it comes to times of researching out an exegeses for college - Wow it is like entering another dimension in the Word of God. Yes of course the Spirit of God brings the English translation alive but the Spirit of God works wonders with the Greek in a way that it is like an oil or balm to the soul. I am not trying to show off but I am willing to share the journey...

Yesterday I asked myself the question: "I wonder how much real meaning is lost between the Greek text and the English translation?" and my answer would be depending on which book and verse I pick on for study it could perhaps range from 5 - 25 %... plus my own efforts makes up an extra 10%.

I have to do Pauline Theology first up next year so I still have some "chipping away" at the Greek to do till then..

thanks again Urch.

Eric
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Good morning, Eric.

I don't know about Ian and nor can I speak for him but for me learning Greek is a labour of love. I perceive learning (and applying) the biblical languages to be simply a means to an end. And whilst Pilate placed them above Christ's head on the cross, for me they properly sit at it's foot in service of his Gospel.

Blessings,

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 Eric & Ian :

“ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” – 2 Timothy 3:7


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 Eric & Ian :

“ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” – 2 Timothy 3:7


I have never entered a home and captured a weak willed woman lusting for sex... and Ian is the NOT the type either ...

People who cannot grasp the basics of reading and applying Holy Writ really don't have much hope of learning anything at anytime.

Eric

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Hiya, Guest.

Revivalists occasionally come here and say some pretty stupid things. I guess it's your way of demonstrating just how ignorant you lot are concerning Scripture read in context. Anyway, I guess your piece, above, serves as your entree to that rather select group.

Ian

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