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Prayer and fasting... Can we see those scriptures again?

Fasting...

after a good long fast, it can feel really good... you made it! You survived! You can now eat Hungry Jacks!

like It's a challenge and apparently a good bodily cleansing exercise. If it's a prayer and fast you undertook then you not only tried to concentrate more on things holy but you put in a physical and natural effort to put off the flesh.

Here's a thought. Blessing shouldn't be a result of worksin this age of grace, yet some believe prayers are more effective if our physical bodies are denied nutrients. By denying our body of food for varying periods of time, our faith will grow as we ignore the normal hunger of our body. God will hopefully notice the special determination and reward it. Should we flaggelate ourselves also? Should we prove our spirituality by some sort of physical work or effort?

The Holy Spirit should be enough... adding a fast during prayer will not improve it if prayer is something that should be done 'without ceasing'... in other words, it's a lifestyle and not a special three days of nourishment neglection. "Under grace, we do not endeavour to find merit from anything we do. Our merits are the merits of Jesus Christ put to our account.

"The kingdom of God takes no issue in dietry matters - Romans 14:17, "For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.

"The early church devoted themselves to teaching and to fellowship,to the breaking of bread and to prayer- Acts 2:42Matthew 11:19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.Because of this growing practice of fasting from the third century, the word "fasting" wrongly crept into numerous manuscripts and versions in such places as inMark 9:29, where it should be, "This kind can come out only through prayer".

Many try to follow what the call the fasting of Jesus as recorded in the gospels. The true facts are these. Jesus was in the wilderness for a period of time under the control of the Spirit and sustained by God's providence.

Jesus was supernaturally sustained for forty days, without food. That being the case, he did not "fast" for self-mortification. It does not state that Jesus was led by the Spirit on to a fast. It merely states He did not eat for forty days.There is mention of fasting in Luke 2:37.Although found in the New Testament, it happened in the transition period from Old to New.

They asked Jesus,"But your disciples do not fast". It is found in Matthew 9:14-18; Mark 2:18-22; and Luke 5:33-39.The next mention about fasting in the Gospels is found in Matthew 6:1-18. The subject is "Piety before Men".

Matthew 15:32, ...He then said,"I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint."

Note that fasting and mourning are always joined together. Therefore, in a time of joy, fasting would be unnatural. Jesus could not have been encouraging His followers to fast. He gives them everlasting joy. Jesus did not fast and neither did His disciples.

In fact Jesus says in Luke7:33,34 - For John the Baptist came neigher eating bread nor drinking wine and you say 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating anddrinking and you say 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of the collectors and siners'."

Obviously, Jesus andHis desciples did not even follow the fast on the day of atonement.

It's no wonder that such lawful churches, such as the Revivals, promote fasting and tongues so much. They are both physical abilities that give them the false belief that they are holier than others. But fasting is NOT a what many think it means. It is a work of flesh and akin to self-flaggelation in a hopeful bid to get God's attention via a little suffering. Jesus did all the suffering that should be needed for us all. Anyone who tries to promote fasting as a profitable exercise is surely preaching a convoluted doctrine of works and deception. Pretty used to that eh?
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Re:Prayer and fasting... Can we see those scriptures? - Peter Bainbridge

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I agree with your point about fasting. To me, it is all about works for the RF. I remember after a prayer and fast where some had fasted for about a week. The pastor was all beaming and spiritual looking and came up to my wife and said the biggest load of crap I had ever heard. I thought, yeah, a week of fasting and this is what comes out of you????
Here in America, they fast every other month, so to me it is like some kind of spiritual oneupmanship between assemblies.
I think fasting may have some merit, but you have to be sure that is what God is calling you to do. Also, you can fast from things other than food.
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Even while out of fellowship, I have fasted from time to time, usually when I have a particular need (read into that what you will) and I have seen results.  Things is, though, like prayer, I believe it is a very private thing that I will only do if I am alone with no chance of being interupted.  I'm not a big fan outward shows and the times when the Lord has really blessed my life is when I have had no-one (ie: oof) and He has been the only one I could turn to.
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I think fasting may have some merit, but you have to be sure that is what God is calling you to do. Also, you can fast from things other than food.

What merit do you thing it has? Why should one have to deny themselves of sustenance to please God or get his attention.. or prove themselves?

All fasting seemed to do was make us uncomfortable and dream about Hungry Jacks while sitting through hours of boring talks and tongue sessions.

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Hi H and S
As far as fasting goes, I see some scriptures supporting it in the Bible. Like many things though in the Bible, I believe fasting was mainly written for specific people at specific times. Our pastor touched on it once and said that the main thing is to set aside time to seek God, whatever form it takes. He said that meals could take hours of prep time in Bible days. In other words, not fixing meals = lots of time to seek God. I tend to agree with that.
That said, I have not fasted in the 6 years since I left the RF. Like many things, it has left a bad memory in my mind, much like you mentioned. I don't think it is a work if it is between you and God. Jesus mentioned for us to do such things in the closet.
If you are not interested in fasting, that is not a problem, as we are not required to do it.
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yeah ,we are under grace ,

 fasting ....  have you read all the scripture on fasting ?  do not just listen to others and your pastors alone , deception takes off real fast this way , there is scripture to support it , if life is giving you a rough ride .....................


Fasting... after a good long fast, it can feel really good... you made it! You survived! You can now eat Hungry Jacks!like It's a challenge and apparently a good bodily cleansing exercise. If it's a prayer and fast you undertook then you not only tried to concentrate more on things holy but you put in a physical and natural effort to put off the flesh. Here's a thought. Blessing shouldn't be a result of worksin this age of grace, yet some believe prayers are more effective if our physical bodies are denied nutrients. By denying our body of food for varying periods of time, our faith will grow as we ignore the normal hunger of our body. God will hopefully notice the special determination and reward it. Should we flaggelate ourselves also? Should we prove our spirituality by some sort of physical work or effort?The Holy Spirit should be enough... add


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yeah ,we are under grace ,fasting ....  have you read all the scripture on fasting ?  do not just listen to others and your pastors alone , deception takes off real fast this way , there is scripture to support it , if life is giving you a rough ride .....................

Yes I've read all the scriptures on fasting.. even the one's that have been added to the bible by interpreters since it's original writing.

I certainly don't just listen to others and I certainly don't have any pastors. That's where I think deception takes off... itching ears and 'teachers' (pastors) with their fables. Pastors are just men (and women)... they haven't got the answers.

I don't believe there are scriptures that support it. While I don't support all the beliefs in the following study written by dr Irene at http://revirene.com/FastingInTheScriptures.htm I think she has made some very interesting points and has also covered EVERY scripture. Are there any points she has made that you think you might be able to refute?

Pete.

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Peter

when someone presents me with an entire list and array of scripture that appears well versed , to try to convince others of their beliefs , then I  instantly think of all those religious twits who bible bash me

I am not edified , there is no charity in all of this talk , yes it is all , holy and the word of God !!!!!

BUT THEN SATAN HIMSELF WILL USE THE BIBLE TO GET YOU TO DOUBT YOUR own personal relationship with God

It is interesting that the author takes such a deep incline towards the old testament to prove her point

does she not know how to rightly divide the word of truth ?

God has his guidelines , that is for sure , but she in no way tells you what his guidelines are , just indoctrinating you with facts alone

This kinda Preaching will send any one over the edge , and I know , for it had been used against me

there is simplicity , and again I warn , do not listen to any body unless you have done some very thorough research ,

my aim is to mend the damage done

SIMPLICITY   , is the key , joy is the end result and the proof

start fighting with God and ON YOUR OWN , I dare you , for you will be in the hot seat

 


Reply to : Anonymousyeah ,we are under grace ,fasting .... have you readallthe scripture on fasting ? do not just listen to others and your pastors alone , deception takes off real fast this way , there is scripture to support it , if life is giving you a rough ride .....................Yes I've readallthe scriptures on fasting.. even the one's that have been added to the bible by interpreters since it's original writing.I certainly don't just listen to others and I certainlydon'thave any pastors. That's where I think deception takes off... itching ears and 'teachers' (pastors) with their fables. Pastors are just men (and women)... they haven't got the answers.I don't believe
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fasting is such a small part and should not dominate true spirituality , however it must be private . you must have a reason why you would want to reach God this way ,

what is it that you would want , it could be to get our bodies under subjection , so that we do not become castaway like others   1CORINTHIANS 9 : 27

a)get our minds in tune with God   and get the right fruit  GAL  5  : 22-26  (not the latest song or jingle running through my mind)

b)so as not to trust in my OWN STRENGTH to solve my problems ,but to get God's mind on a matter

SIMPLICITY , IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT THEN YOU DON'T GET IT !!!!!

YUP , and now i know what you are thinking .....Ha! she really knows nothing !!

not so , I learnt not to Bible bash , but to live it    1 COR 8:2-3

and that we are desperately nasty and God knows it , but he is Gracious  JEREMIAH 17 : 9-10

you want real trouble , then live the Bible

 


Reply to : Anonymousyeah ,we are under grace ,fasting .... have you readallthe scripture on fasting ? do not just listen to others and your pastors alone , deception takes off real fast this way , there is scripture to support it , if life is giving you a rough ride .....................Yes I've readallthe scriptures on fasting.. even the one's that have been added to the bible by interpreters since it's original writing.I certainly don't just listen to others and I certainlydon'thave any pastors. That's where I think deception takes off... itching ears and 'teachers' (pastors) with their fables. Pastors are just men (and women)... they haven't got the answers.I don't believe


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when someone presents me with an entire list and array of scripture that appears well versed , to try to convince others of their beliefs , then I  instantly think of all those religious twits who bible bash me I am not edified , there is no charity in all of this talk , yes it is all , holy and the word of God !!!!!

It's called 'presenting a thorough investigation of one side of a topic' and it needs to be well versed. I'm sure you've had times in your life when you've found a particular interpretation of scripture to be less than perfect. The bible is available for study and reproof and I'm certainly not trying to bible bash anyone... just present information and ideas... I'm sure you're equipped with 'discernment' so you can glean what you will. Knowledge is freely available - wisdom allows you to sort it. Dont think something is wrong just because if flies in the face of everything you think and know to be true. Open your mind.

BUT THEN SATAN HIMSELF WILL USE THE BIBLE TO GET YOU TO DOUBT YOUR own personal relationship with God It is interesting that the author takes such a deep incline towards the old testament to prove her point does she not know how to rightly divide the word of truth ?

Oh... he's a rascal isn't he, that ol' devil... trouble maker! She (Dr Irene) does illustrates some good contrast with the scriptural ties to the old testament. It's important to set context. She was also making an important point that the act of fasting was predominantly an action done under the law of the O.T. Rightly dividing the word of God depends on looking at the whole book, not just bits and pieces.

God has his guidelines , that is for sure , but she in no way tells you what his guidelines are , just indoctrinating you with facts aloneThis kinda Preaching will send any one over the edge , and I know , for it had been used against me there is simplicity , and again I warn , do not listen to any body unless you have done some very thorough research ,my aim is to mend the damage done SIMPLICITY , is the key , joy is the end result and the proof

Simplicity is definitely the key but then that's usually what people say when they can't be bothered to study something in more depth. Joy isn't a proof of anything because everyone testifies to it. Indoctrinating with facts is much more healthy than indoctrination with fiction. But as has been said, you can fast or not fast, dance or not dance, speak in tongues or not speak in tongues, if it feels good and you get yourself some JOY.. then well, you're doin' well.

start fighting with God and ON YOUR OWN , I dare you , for you will be in the hot seat

Oh, a dare! I dare you to run down your street naked.. hahaha... I agree with some of Irene's stuff and have posted a summary in the first post that I liked. I also quoted some stuff ALL ON MY OWN... so yay me hey? sheeeshhh... you haven't yet actually refuted any of Dr Irene's ideas.. so unless  you are able to challenge them and make me see any errors in her's or my way... I'll keep running with that ball on this topic. Plus, I hate going hungry... it's unhealthy to do it for long periods of time to the body... We are instructed not to do harm to our own bodies and a long fast will cause muscles to be weakened and damaged. Jesus, in his forty days of 'going without food' was supernaturally sustained.

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fasting is such a small part and should not dominate true spirituality , however it must be private . you must have a reason why you would want to reach God this way

It just strikes me as interesting that this is perceived as a way of getting God's attention, private or otherwise, to reach him. It's like waving your hands wildly at the sky and hoping God will look down over his glasses for long enough to put you on his 'to do' list. Jesus was criticized by the Pharisees for not imposing fasting upon His disciples as John the Baptist had.  Jesus told His critics that fasting was not appropriate in times of joy.  His reply was that while He was with them He wanted His disciples to be joyful;  [see Matthew 9:14ff; Mark 2L18ff; Luke 5:33ff].

what is it that you would want , it could be to get our bodies under subjection , so that we do not become castaway like others   1CORINTHIANS 9 : 27

Fasting does not get your body under subjections it puts it less so. It makes your body desperate for food because you're denying it of what it was designed to have. There is nothing unholy about eating at all.. so why refrain from it unless you're eating crap. 'Whether you eat or drink,' he said, 'or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God.' (I Corinthians 10:31)

a)get our minds in tune with God   and get the right fruit  GAL  5  : 22-26  (not the latest song or jingle running through my mind)

you wanna be in tune with God... That's easy... and can be done without starving yourself.. just do unto others what you'd have them do unto you and you'll be fine... unless they're swingers. Yup, I'm gonna keep harping on about fasting. hahhahaha

b)so as not to trust in my OWN STRENGTH to solve my problems ,but to get God's mind on a matter SIMPLICITY , IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT THEN YOU DON'T GET IT !!!!! YUP , and now i know what you are thinking .....Ha! she really knows nothing !! not so , I learnt not to Bible bash , but to live it    1 COR 8:2-3

Hey, I've got no problem with simplicity ... I've pretty much boxed all my bibles and concordances up and replaced them with three words... love one another.

and that we are desperately nasty and God knows it , but he is Gracious  JEREMIAH 17 : 9-10you want real trouble , then live the Bible

Oh, I want trouble... you want trouble? Run into a shopping centre and yell, "He's got a GUN!!!"

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you really don't get it , do you , but this I gotta say , you are really quite refreshing from all the dribble I have heard

fasting is  to lose your physical strength and boy are we so strong ,

yeah box your bible and love one another , just like that !?

when they all crap on you , not likely ,!

 I USE my Bible to fight , and i staunchly refuse anybdy else's slant on what the Bible has to say ; you see having been through the violence and crap of humanity , and being spewed upon by all the worlds system of  fixing things , I KNOW HOW TO USE THE BIBLE ,

little story , 

when they tried messing with my mind and threatened to take away my civil rights because i refused what the medico's tried to offer me ,

it was then that God stepped in ,  one doctor died  , trying to save my life he eventually lost his ,  i will ever be grateful for him

but three other doctors , who tried to take my life and screw my mind up , got the disease , that they assumed I had and / or lost thier jobs

none realised that i was simply agonising over a broken heart , man life once sucked El supremo for me .

Hey but that is my advantage , God took scum and molded me into something , that many people praise me for. And my enemies , the religious hate my guts for , but no guts , no glory , and I love a good fight

please do not quote other people , I am here , I like a good topic for discussion , but i like to hear your victories , not others .....just like a good jousting match ,  choose your wapons in love , and lets just sharpen each others spirituality , not each others mental capability , for that is just like them and that really sucks the joy out of the forum .

do tell of how your David and Goliath battle, love to hear

oh and by the way  Matth, Mrk, Lke, Jhn, are inspirational books written to the Jews , do not take these litterally , you cannot apply them in your daily life as that would mean you would also have to do the Jewish thing , again  fasting is not  to gain spirituality ,read carefully , it is only what I use to get the worlds trash out of my system , so that I can continue to pray without ceasing  , gutsing on maccas and shops and tv  and stuuf clouds my mind and then I wonder where I left off being joyful

don't you get it , 

the end result is  Galatians 5 : 22   , oh c'mon , if i gave you this joy on a plate with fries , you would stuff yourself silly ( i would too if God would give it to me that way free message baords)

yeah my joy scares religious twits only , nobody else , I wonder why


Reply to : youla [Anonymous]fasting is such a small part and should not dominate true spirituality , however it must be private . you must have a reason why you would want to reach God this wayIt just strikes me as interesting that this is perceived as a way of getting God's attention, private or otherwise, to reach him. It's like waving your hands wildly at the sky and hoping God willlook down over hisglasses for longenough to put you on his 'to do' list.Jesus was criticized by the Pharisees for not imposing fasting upon His disciples as John the Baptist had. Jesus told His critics that fasting wasnot appropriate in times of joy. His reply was that while He was with them He wanted His disciples to be joyful; [see Matthew 9:14ff; Mark 2L18ff; Luke 5:33ff].


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you really don't get it , do you , but this I gotta say , you are really quite refreshing from all the dribble I have heard

You really don't get it either do you huh? (which sort of sounds like saying 'Me right - you stupid') LIttle secret, Julie... you, like countless other people who think they have it all worked out, are not holders of the truth. You, like those others, including myself, have tried to work out the universe around us using the limited knowledge and the many experiences we have received and processed. We shape our realities hoping the data we percieve is better than others. The bible is 66 interesting books of text... and to play the game we do, we got to play by the rules therein. Monopoly just isn't the same game when people collect money at free parking... it's a rule that doesn't exist and the game is radically different because of it.. sorry, just got into ramble mode.

fasting is  to lose your physical strength and boy are we so strong ,

Losing your physical strength is a negative.. we need it to effectively survive on this planet, to keep our immune system strong, and also to do the hippidy dippidy with a partner.

yeah box your bible and love one another , just like that !?

Just... as you say, like that! Actually, yeah they're boxed but easily accessed on the net. Yep, love one another... works for me.

when they all crap on you , not likely ,!

Love your enemies. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you Mat 5:54

 I USE my Bible to fight , and i staunchly refuse anybdy else's slant on what the Bible has to say ; you see having been through the violence and crap of humanity , and being spewed upon by all the worlds system of  fixing things , I KNOW HOW TO USE THE BIBLE ,

Yes, I staunchly refused to accept anybody elses slant on what the bible has to say... but holy quackamolie... I thank the god in heaven and the that I finally stopped refusing another slant... otherwise I'd stil be at Revival Fellowship wasting hundreds of precious hours assimilating to the hive mind even more... I got out with some of my brain intact... praise de lor-wud.

little story ,  when they tried messing with my mind and threatened to take away my civil rights because i refused what the medico's tried to offer me , it was then that God stepped in ,  one doctor died  , trying to save my life he eventually lost his ,  i will ever be grateful for him but three other doctors , who tried to take my life and screw my mind up , got the disease , that they assumed I had and / or lost thier jobs none realised that i was simply agonising over a broken heart , man life once sucked El supremo for me .

Do you watch the X-Files? Can you use some of that voodoo magic on the families near me that have their music cranked up to 11 until 2 oclock in the morning... don't kill them... just hurt them a little... make the bloody barking dogs disappear too. Thanks. That reminds me of the story about the guys who dug up that egyptian grave - Tutankaman?... they all got a supposed curse and died after disturbing the tomb. Perhaps you are a mummy?

Hey but that is my advantage , God took scum and molded me into something , that many people praise me for. And my enemies , the religious hate my guts for , but no guts , no glory , and I love a good fight

You get praise? molded scum? enemies? hate? I think you are overdramatising life a bit, which is cool I suppose.. makes life a bit exciting but sooner or later you have to grasp reality and move on. Sure everyone loves to have a nemesis... I've got that workmate down the hall that smiles at me but I know is out to get me somehow... hmmmmm. I'll win - See if I don't! Bwahahahhahahahaha

please do not quote other people , I am here , I like a good topic for discussion , but i like to hear your victories , not others .....just like a good jousting match ,  choose your wapons in love , and lets just sharpen each others spirituality , not each others mental capability , for that is just like them and that really sucks the joy out of the forum .

I totally agree. It would be good to hear about stories and victories and etc. Feel free to join the discussions in the freedom room or the introductions room. This room, and particularly this thread, is a discussion on the bible topic of fasting where other people's studies can be quoted and taken apart and debated. I'm glad you're here... Cause you kinda crazy fun gal. If you are a dedicated christian you may want to use the Christian room as there's less chance of people rebuttling you who don't believe your views.. and shock! 6 billion people on the planet... not all are savvy to your enlightened knowledge.

oh and by the way  Matth, Mrk, Lke, Jhn, are inspirational books written to the Jews , do not take these litterally , you cannot apply them in your daily life as that would mean you would also have to do the Jewish thing , again  fasting is not  to gain spirituality ,read carefully , it is only what I use to get the worlds trash out of my system , so that I can continue to pray without ceasing  , gutsing on maccas and shops and tv  and stuuf clouds my mind and then I wonder where I left off being joyful

Don't take the gospels literally? Or are you talking about the parts which don't fit into your cuttent schema? Was Jesus walking on water? Do we not actually have to turn our cheek anymore? Are we allowed to buy property on the first run around the Monopoly board?

don't you get it , the end result is  Galatians 5 : 22   , oh c'mon , if i gave you this joy on a plate with fries , you would stuff yourself silly ( i would too if God would give it to me that way free message baords)yeah my joy scares religious twits only , nobody else , I wonder why

Yes I get it, but can I give some back? I've got about all the joy I can handle at the moment but I always seem to be able to swipe some more fries from the kids trays at McDonald's. My mum is a religious twit but I've never seen anybody with more joy in their life. Ignorance is bliss, insanity is just a tad better, and Jim Beam is just right.

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Re:Prayer and fasting... Can we see those scriptures? - Peter Bainbridge

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Ok.

are you aware of the suffering and trying to help others here ?

x-files ?

methinks you love  a good laugh !

do you actually get out and see the suffering and succed in helping , to counsel others who have been shafted  . It is your Ordained ministry , ah but then I am putting you down , Oh sorry about that , i will correct myself ,  I thank you for your time .

Laugh , it is good for you ,

this forum is far better than 60 minutes , thou art  the Man, you go for it !

I will continue the walk and not the talk , the need ot minister to even more people is a serious task , there are more out there who have never known unconditional love and gentleness

YOU ARE NOT STUPID ,as I said i love a GOOD fight , and this fight has more than turned sour ,  your intelligence may be an indication that you are not in this to help people , You know it can get really quite awful trying to help others and maybe i  should lovingly continue to help them ...........

I mean help them,

my husband is a shift worker , i stay up till two in the morning ,

I thought i could hone my skills , this i will admit candidly , I was really stupid for thinking that i could hone my skills on forums 

man how could I be so stupid , in thinking , that i could better the ministry than the simple way that God has set it out reconciling others ,    is    so   rewarding     ah stupid me

signing off

 


Reply to : yuoula [Anonymous]you really don't get it , do you , but this I gotta say , you are really quite refreshing from all the dribble I have heardYou really don't get it either do you huh?(which sort of sounds like saying'Meright - you stupid')LIttle secret, Julie... you, like countless other people who think they have it all worked out, are not holders of the truth. You, like those others, including myself, have tried to work out the universe around us using the limited knowledge and the many experiences we have received and processed. We shape our realities hoping the data we percieve is better than others. The bible is 66 interesting books of text... and to play the game we do, we got to play by the rules therein. Monopoly


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Re:Prayer and fasting... Can we see those scriptures? - Peter Bainbridge

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are you aware of the suffering and trying to help others here?

Certainly. It's very sad. life can truly suck sometimes. I don't have any counselling skills... or people skills for that matter, so I often hesitate to give advice. I don't think people really take much of what I say to heart anyway. I think at least being here is helpful in some way. It's nice to have someone reply to a post... at least you know someone is actually reading. I think that's satisfying, even if it is just me ranting away.

x-files ?methinks you love  a good laugh !do you actually get out and see the suffering and succed in helping , to counsel others who have been shafted  . It is your Ordained ministry , ah but then I am putting you down , Oh sorry about that , i will correct myself ,  I thank you for your time .Laugh , it is good for you , this forum is far better than 60 minutes , thou art  the Man, you go for it !

You got that right. Other people can do the serious stuff.  No, I don't go out and see the suffering. The Revival churches hate it when I stand outside their windows and point at them shaking my head. People have to work things out for themselves. Giving an ear and a shoulder is what I do. People who leave the Revivals have just made the biggest and bravest step and proven themselves to already have a grasp of what it takes to be the shapers of their own destiny.

I will continue the walk and not the talk , the need ot minister to even more people is a serious task , there are more out there who have never known unconditional love and gentleness YOU ARE NOT STUPID ,as I said i love a GOOD fight , and this fight has more than turned sour ,  your intelligence may be an indication that you are not in this to help people , You know it can get really quite awful trying to help others and maybe i  should lovingly continue to help them ...........

I am stupid... but stupidity is relative. Compared to some people I am amazingly intelligent LOL. You love a good fight and I'm enjoying the discussion. Sorry to see you go, but someone has to have the last word here and we are far from the original topic.

I mean help them, my husband is a shift worker , i stay up till two in the morning , I thought i could hone my skills , this i will admit candidly , I was really stupid for thinking that i could hone my skills on forums  man how could I be so stupid , in thinking , that i could better the ministry than the simple way that God has set it out reconciling others ,    is    so   rewarding     ah stupid me

Don't beat yourself up. I think you've got a lot of passion and a great spirit. I am also up until 2 am plus... sleeping disorders! Grrr... And you're not stupid, you're just learning from mistakes and therein lies the greatest truth.

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