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MothandRust
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Re:Porn again... Cam porn can be found in the bible?

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Reply to : prezyAs for Mothy saying he instinctly agreed with homosexuality as ok, to medemonstrates he never really had a Christian conversion.Buzzzz... wrong answer prezyIt's not for you to judge and it's not for me to go through the details of my conversion to convince you of it,ok? Do you want to make this about how we classify a christian as to their genuinness of the conversion process. I'd be happy to. that's primarily what this forum is about. Join in at another thread to continue that line of thought please. Perhaps you could explain in further detail how and why I was never truly as good a christian as you must certainly be and extrapolate on yet another deviation in what constitutes a christian. Sinners prayer... tongues... baptism... la
Hi Moth sorry I ruffled your feathers, I mean wings. My judgement on your christianity is mostly based on you not being one by your own admission. I dont think I am a better person than you or anyone else for that matter and am grieved at anyones suffering including that of a homosexual. I work with several who openly hate me because to them I am of an inferior gender but although they know I believe their lifestyle is sinful cannot deny that I treat them with equality and support in the work place. I am sure that the type of animals that would cheer at anyones funeral are sick and full of hatred, not Christianity. I think too many Christians especially in cult land hate sinners more than sin, and forget we are all sinners.
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Re:Porn again... Cam porn can be found in the bible?

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Reply to : MothandRustReply to : prezyAs for Mothy saying he instinctly agreed with homosexuality as ok, to medemonstrates he never really had a Christian conversion.Buzzzz... wrong answer prezyIt's not for you to judge and it's not for me to go through the details of my conversion to convince you of it,ok? Do you want to make this about how we classify a christian as to their genuinness of the conversion process. I'd be happy to. that's primarily what this forum is about. Join in at another thread to continue that line of thought please. Perhaps you could explain in further detail how and why I was never truly as good a christian as you must certainly be and extrapolate on yet another deviation in what constitutes a christian. Sinners prayer... tongues... baptism... laHi M

I have to say I feel a bit guilty with this thread exploding out of control as it was my comments about porn in the first place in another thread about a Perth elder that was caught getting his rocks off by his wife that kicked this off.

Been interesting, and I dont think Shining did a very good job of answering Dog's points.

I also found it amusing she loved to put smilies to the end of every criticism.

Its like the smiling assassin really isnt it.

All this banter reminded me how bull-headed TRF are about subversion of women.

Honestly in TRF dogma a female:

1. Must obey the husband
2. Can hold no position of office in the church
3. Prefer women to stay at home (heard many talks on them about this) in preference to working
4. Women have been councilled about always being a willing participant in marital sex. One ex Pastors wife in Perth was councilled by a current-day Perth TRF Pastor after she was having marital issues that she should let her husband have sex as it is a requirement for allowing men to be able to "empty their bucket". How great is that.

When this lady told me this...it made me feel sick. So many purported Christian groups just do not prepare people for the realities of life - let alone the embracing and celebration of existing in this life in the first place.

Deeeano. :-)
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Re:Porn again... Cam porn can be found in the bible?

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Reply to : prezyReply to : MothandRustReply to : prezyAs for Mothy saying he instinctly agreed with homosexuality as ok, to medemonstrates he never really had a Christian conversion.Buzzzz... wrong answer prezyIt's not for you to judge and it's not for me to go through the details of my conversion to convince you of it,ok? Do you want to make this about how we classify a christian as to their genuinness of the conversion process. I'd be happy to. that's primarily what this forum is about. Join in at another thread to continue that line of thought please. Perhaps you could explain in further detail how and why I was never truly as good a christian as you must certainly be and extrapolate on yet another deviation in what constitutes a christian. Sinners prayer... tongues... baptism... laHi M

iwouldnt feel guilty if i were you, you made a comment and mothy took it an ran with it- an you know he loved every minute of it.

i still struggle with the rci/f belife thats a womans only roll is a breeder.. and altho i have kids who i adore, i also have a career (not just a job) something i truly enjoy- and its a job i would have been "encoraged" to drop given that it means i can at times work with naked or semi naked people and i have irratic hours and would not be able to attend every meeting

but so what it makes me happy and im bloody good at it. and it pays the bills lol

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4. Women have been councilled about always being a willing participant in marital sex. One ex Pastors wife in Perth was councilled by a current-day Perth TRF Pastor after she was having marital issues that she should let her husband have sex as it is a requirement for allowing men to be able to "empty their bucket". How great is that.

When this lady told me this...it made me feel sick. So many purported Christian groups just do not prepare people for the realities of life - let alone the embracing and celebration of existing in this life in the first place.

Thanks for the idea for the thread Deanoz. Made my Saturday marking assignments a lot more fun that otherwise.

We got the impression that women were'nt allowed to say 'no' to a husband's advances because her body was not her own. What is that concept telling the young men growing up and listening to that?

If a women wasn't allowed to say no once in a while, how on earth would they get us to do the dishes?

 

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My wife reckons I'm her sex object............


I want sex.....
and she objects!


in the (Dog) house.
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I must say it's great to be a part of this, theres so much to gain from it, and a lot of enjoyment.
Tolerance, love, and an un-judgemental attitude are all worthy attributes for us all, believers, un believers, and in betweens. How much better the world would be for all of us, if every one had that.
Good too to find kindred spirits, who arent over prudish, devoid of humour, have a sense of proportion,and who are appreciative of the beauty and perfection of all Gods creation, and get pleasure from seing what he has created. while having the good sense to judge what are mans perversions, and provoke evil in thought , and deed.,and have nothing to do with them. It was a tricky subject today for some I would imagine, but it was good to bring it out into the light , and get a slant on it that we'd maybe never considered before.



So beautifully put old holborn and I couldn't agree more. Certainly never thought I'd be discussing porn on this or any forum, but there you go, it turned out to be quite an interesting conversation on many levels.


My heads a whirl with the days events, will Mothy and Miss Wooty finish their assignments in time, or are they having to burn the midnight oil?


Can't speak for Moth but this little black duck is burning the midnight oil again I'm afraid... I've been way too easily distracted this weekend.

I find your posts are a great leveller for those of us who can get a little razzed up occasionally (moi, overreact? surely not!) you have such gentle wisdom and forthrightness, coupled with a cheeky sense of humour, it's great stuff.

Hope your worship leading went well today
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Ps- Mothburger....stop ranting about those supposed Christians who do the signs in America-(I think it's Fred Phelps' group ay)...

There are many other groups, and I haven't been ranting about them actually. I think I mentioned them once. PS - Please don't tell me what not to talk about.

signs at Abortion clinics, homosexual and ex-army men's funerals.... They seem to be full of hate...smiling so widely... as they tell people they are going to hell.  All us Christians are not like that. We are not all full of hate

But in effect you do smile and do tell, who you believe are, sinners that they are going to hell. You unapologetically and unreasonably stated that no homosexuals will enter into the kingdom of God. Yes, I know the archaic scriptures you use to feed that bigotry and I know how inspired and unquestionable you think they are. How do you think homosexual Christians feel when they see such spiteful and insensitive trollop strewn onto this forum? You probably don't care. They don't need to feel guilty about the way they are just because some crazy christians worship the writings of Super Paul and some bronze age text written by camel dung smokin' nomads.

Burning the damn midnight oil here too and regretting porn interferring with my shoolwork... again!

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Re:Porn again... Cam porn can be found in the bible?

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Reply to : Deanoz4. Women have been councilled about always being a willing participant in marital sex. One ex Pastors wife in Perth was councilled by a current-day Perth TRF Pastor after she was having marital issues that she should let her husband have sex as it is a requirement for allowing men to be able to "empty their bucket". How great is that.When this lady told me this...it made me feel sick. So many purported Christian groups just do not prepare people for the realities of life - let alone the embracing and celebration of existing in this life in the first place.Thanks for the idea for the thread Deanoz. Made my Saturday marking assignments a lot more fun that otherwise.We got the impression that women were'nt allowed to say 'no' to a hus

Theres just so many angles where this stinks.

1. We live in a country where discrimination on the basis of sex is illegal
2. The willingness to sweep a human beings needs and issues in the trashcan for a quick bit of nookie is pathetic. "All you are is a recepticle biatch...shut up and start humping...I dont care if our relationship sucks...I got a tingle in the pants region that needs release!"

Crass way of putting it I know, but its the truth of the matter....stinks like the cult THEY are...

Deeeano. :-)
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Reply to: old holbornI must say it's great to be a part of this, theres so much to gain from it, and a lot of enjoyment.Tolerance, love, and an un-judgemental attitude are all worthy attributes for us all, believers, un believers, and in betweens. How much better the world would be for all of us, if every one had that.Good too to find kindred spirits, who arent over prudish, devoid of humour, have a sense of proportion,and who are appreciative of the beauty and perfection of all Gods creation, and get pleasure from seing what he has created. while having the good sense to judge what are mans perversions, and provoke evil in thought , and deed.,and have nothing to do with them. It was a tricky subject today for some I would imagine, but it was good to bring it out into the light , and get a slant on it that we'd

 Thanks Missy.  we had a great time , always try for joyful, and avoid our Hymnals  full of stuff from the 18thCent. Good words, bur written for the organ. Fotunately we also have Songs of Fellowship, which has a good mixture of old and new., and I can always find something up-beat. It's good to be of use again.

I see in the box you got your stuff finished, well done. Shame about shiny, any one know why? Got to be something more than her posts since she came back, they got us all going and livened us up. I liked the way she stood her ground.

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Moth,

Sometimes you really outdo yourself in your attempts to be offensive. The Song of Songs isn't porn, my friend, it's Hebrew love poetry

It's nonsense such as this that may have the effect of reducing the value of your other posts, as well as your standing in the eyes of some here.

Just a thought.

Ian
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Moth, I think you've been pwned...
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Reply to : MothandRustMoth,Sometimes youreallyoutdo yourself in your attempts to be offensive. The Song of Songsisn'tporn, my friend, it's Hebrew love poetryIt's nonsense such as this that may have the effect of reducing the value of your other posts, as well as your standing in the eyes of some here.Just a thought.Ian

Pwned... LOL love it. Point taken though Iansotto. I hope people took it as a bit of a lark

Out do? Ohhhh, no if I wanted to out do myself I would have had people running. Instead I got a lot of insightful and actually conversation. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Of course it's not porn, that was a fairly provokative title to get the readers in, but some of those verses actually could be seen as such in the eyes of the truly prudish... it's relative, but such was the parody intended to overemphasize aspects. And you're right, it's love poetry and it's nice.

The whole thread will be moved into the ghost town sections of the forum soon anyway, but I wanted to post it here where the traffic is to get some good reactions and comments for my blog.

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They are all concepts that are in flux, and subject to the observer. What to one is fine art is to another offensive. What to one is tasteful erotica is to another filthy pornography.

You've probably seen the tv advert about bathers/undies, where a guy is walking on the beach in his speedos, then goes to different settings and the bathers are then considered undies.

Again, I feel that some Christians and religions make far too much of a big deal over sexuality, modesty and censorship. They'd do well to lose their preoccupation with such things, and get a life!

The holier than thou wowser identity that is often considered the uniform of christians is a giant turn-off to most people.

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A Proposal for a Christian Pornography
September 28, 2005

Many readers have written in to ask us about pornography. Is it acceptable for Christians to view adult entertainment? Our stance on pornography is directly informed by our position on sex and sexuality with regards to Christianity. Depending on the circumstances, the act of intercourse can be either a defilement of the body and soul through lust and indulgence of the senses, or it can be a celebration of God-given sexuality that uplifts the bodies and spirits of both partners. Likewise, pornography could be either degrading and sinful (as it almost always is), or it could depict acts that, when viewed appropriately, could enhance the sexual and sensual relationships of believers.

Erotica with Biblical Foundations

Consider the Song of Solomon, a deeply sensual and erotic book of the Bible, which describes in lyrical detail the sexual and romantic relationship between a bride and bridegroom. Their dialogue relates to spiritual matters, but relates spirituality through a loving physical relationship between husband and wife. This is the model of erotic "edutainment" that we are proposing. We believe that under the right circumstances, and given the correct content, such adult media has the potential to enrich the sexual lives of married Christian partners.

Of course, there is little, if any adult entertainment currently on the market that reflects these values and would be a good choice for Christians. That leads us to call for a new kind of porn - porn that upholds the Christian ethos. Christ-centered porn, made to be viewed by Christians and tailored to their unique needs. We challenge Christians in the adult industry (yes, they do exist - and you know who you are) to step up and truly walk their walk and live their faith by producing pornography that men and women of God can view without compromising their relationship with their Savior, or their relationship with their spouse.

Christians have so many questions about sexuality: what is acceptable or not, how to express sexual desires to their husband or wife, how to have a more fulfilling sex life, and much more. Unfortunately, few in the church are willing to talk openly and in detail about these matters. Most sexual guides for Christians are vague or coy, glossing over graphic details. Believers need sexual resources that are unafraid to actually demonstrate and show them what healthy sexuality in a Christian marriage looks like. For these reasons, we believe there is both a need and a demand for Christian adult entertainment, and so we are issuing this manifesto calling for a new paradigm in pornography.

Toward a Framework for Christian Porn
  • It must depict only married couples engaging in sexual acts. This means that any sexual partners in a Christian porn production must be husband and wife, both on and off screen. All actors must be married in real life and portray married couples onscreen. And they must only be depicted having sex with their wedded spouses.
     
  • It must portray sex within the context of a Christian marriage. It must be apparent through the actions, behaviors, and speech of the characters portrayed that they are Christian, lead a Christian lifestyle, and have a marriage in which their faith is central. This could be depicted in a variety of ways, with scenes showing a couple praying together, studying the Bible, attending church or church functions, and generally relating to one another as loving Christian spouses outside of the bedroom.
     
  • It must be instructional. Part of the mission of Christian pornography is to graphically educate married believers in how to achieve more sexual pleasure, intimacy, and closeness in their relationships. It can do this by dramatizing various sexual techniques and positions so that couples can learn how to incorporate them into their lovemaking routines. In their onscreen roles, the actors should model both correct sexual techniques and appropriate sexual attitudes, by being respectful and treating one another's bodies as the sacred gift from God that they are.
     
  • Husband and wife must both receive their due benevolence. This is in keeping with the scriptural mandate of I Corinthians 7:3, which says "Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband." This means that both sex partners must be shown getting equal pleasure and sexual attention from one another.
     
  • No extramarital sex, unless it is to illustrate the downfalls of adultery. The spouses in a Christian porn production must never have adulterous relations, unless they (and their partner in extramarital crime) suffer and are punished fittingly for their sins. (In deference to modern conventions, the punishment does not have to be one mandated by scripture, i.e., being stoned to death.)
     
  • It must be uplifting and inspirational, focusing on strengthening Christian marriage and Christian faith. Christian porn must have an overall positive message. Of course, its primary message would be to demonstrate the sacred use of sexuality and sensuality to reinforce the bonds of Christian marriage. But in all other respects, it should affirm Christian values of community, family, faith, honesty, charity, and so forth. It should show that having a joyous and fulfilling married sex life is one of the fruits of following the path of righteousness.
     
  • No profanity. Although exclamations of pleasure are acceptable, as are the natural sounds and vocalizations of lovemaking, Christian porn should contain no profanity or swearing. The participants should address each other lovingly and respectfully at all times. Of course, it goes without saying that the actors will not take the Lord's name in vain, nor that of his Son.
The Correct Use of Christian Porn
The primary purpose of Christian pornography is to allow married Christian couples to better celebrate their sexuality in order to become more intimate with each other and enjoy a closer walk with the Lord. We envision married couples watching these films or videos together, using them to initiate a frank and open dialogue about sexuality and their own sexual relationship, and then applying the techniques illustrated in the films and incorporating them into their own lovemaking. Watching Christian porn is not intended to replace sex in the marriage, nor is its purpose simply to arouse the sexual appetites of the husband and wife, but to encourage them to use their sexual drives to a higher purpose.

The point of Christian pornography is not to provide material for the fantasies of individuals to use for their own gratification or to fuel masturbation. Although masturbation in itself is not wrong, the highest purpose of Christian porn is to enrich the sexual relationship between believers. It is not primarily intended to be used by individuals to inflame their own desires or as a substitute for a relationship. Under some circumstances, an individual might be justified in viewing this material on his or her own. For example, if the purpose of viewing the pornography is ultimately in the service of the marriage, if a man wanted to become better instructed in how to please his wife orally, or if a wife needed help getting in touch with her sexuality in order to be more open to intimacy with her husband.

Likewise, a single person might find Christian porn instructional if it better prepares them for relating to their future spouse. One of the complaints against conventional pornography is that it creates unrealistic expectations about sex and warps the viewer's attitudes towards sexuality and the opposite sex. This argument could not be made against Christian porn, because it would be presenting a healthy and realistic representation of married Christian sexual life, and would be modeling correct and respectful husband-wife relationships, creating a positive vision for what can be expected in a future marriage.

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I really like this bit!

http://www.sexinchrist.com/oralsex.html

Dog.
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I really like this bit!http://www.sexinchrist.com/oralsex.htmlDog.

http://www.sexinchrist.com/oralsex.html

LMAO... yep, that was truly entertaining AND completely scriptural at the same time! Oral sex is practically a commandment. Ahh, wtf, I may as well copy and paste a part of it here for the sake of the lazy clickers:

Oral Sex in Christ
In summary, we can say that the Scripture supports and even encourages the act of oral sex between loving heterosexual partners. Moreover, the Bible specifically encourages fellatio to completion (orgasm) with the female partner consuming or swallowing the ejaculate. This prevents spilling seed, which is an affront to the Lord, and also provides spiritual benefit to the receiving partner. Oral sex has the added benefits of preventing unwanted pregnancies and helping couples satisfy their sexual urges while preserving their chastity until marriage. For these reasons, all Christian men and women should feel confident and comfortable including oral sex as part of their sexual life in accordance with God's will.

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