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Date Posted：01/02/2009 9:00 PMCopy HTML The Urgent Need to Promote the Holy Spirit By Pastor Brad Smith [Brisbane] on the 31/8/2008 The power of God is available to you today. Everyone knows about God, knows about Jesus Christ yet the Holy Spirit is often overlooked. The first observation made when Jesus was resurrected, was that the Lord was 'working with them and confirming the word with signs-following'. The Urgent Need to Promote the Cross Misunderstood By “Pastor” Brad Smith [Brisbane] on the 31/8/2008 The power of God is available to you today in the will of God within the service of God. Not everyone knows about God or knows about Jesus Christ yet the Holy Spirit is often overlooked because the Son of Man is not lifted up. The first observation made when Jesus was resurrected, was to Mary Magdalene from whom he had cast out seven demons. |
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Re：Poor Bradley Date Posted：02/02/2009 10:59 PMCopy HTML RF'rs who take the bible as the 'rule of faith', you need to listen to this eisegetical nonsense. Make no mistake. This false gospel is the explicit future, and at least implicit present, of your organisation as this man has recently been recruited into your overarching Pastor's Council. This teaching ranks right 'up there' with that of Marcion! Plan your escape route and activate the plan.
Ponder this as a starter. Smith claims that Christians in other churches are liklely blaspheming the Spirit, yet constantly refers to him as 'it' and an impersonal power to be used by Christians. The Creator to be used by his creation? The Potter to be used by the clay?What ignorant, prideful nonsense. Like a politician he accuses others of the very sin he himself is guilty of. Then there's what he says about the respective roles of Father, Son and Spirit and their relevance to the gospel ... I listened to the whole talk three times, gobsmacked, perhaps like a rabbit caught in a spotlight. Does you RF leader understand eg that the Spirit points to Jesus, and or would your leader cheer this teaching of Smith's? If your leader balks at the teaching in this message, will he call it the false gospel that it is and dissociate from it? Wake up and repent Mr Smith. God is gracious to forgive. Remove yourself from any teaching position until you comprehend that your bible and its apostles teach the gospel of Jesus Christ and *not* the gospel of an impersonal force with glossolalia which is at your disposal to do with as you wish. Please ... ask God to help you read the bible exegetically for a change. The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
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Re：Poor Bradley Date Posted：03/02/2009 12:31 PMCopy HTML Brad - it's ALL about JESUS! Luke 6:46 Why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord," and not do the things which I say? Rom 10:9 If you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Phil 2:9-11 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Your unfailing love, O Lord, is as vast as the heavens; your faithfulness reaches beyond the clouds. Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the ocean depths.
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Re：Poor Bradley Date Posted：03/02/2009 4:58 PMCopy HTML Good verses Urch. It's a pity Romans 10:9 when used in baptisms it's not completed with "you will be saved." Listened to some of Brad Smith's talk "The Urgent Need to Preach the Holy Spirit" this evening in which he made certain unusual comments, main example being "our Gospel is not based on Jesus Christ" and other strange ideas on blaspheming the Holy Spirit if too much emphasis is on Jesus. He used the usual Mark 16 to illustrate the signs which would follow those who have received the Holy Spirit. 16 He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover........ I see in these passages Jesus reinforcing much of what the disciples were already commissioned to do. Many of the signs were already in place way back in Mark 6 :- 7 And he calleth unto him the twelve and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits. 12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. 13 And they cast out many devils and anointed with oil many that were sick and healed them. Similar in Luke 10 and also Matthew 10 :- 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. etc The disciples were commissioned to do all this before they they were saved (according to Rev) because they hadn't yet spoken in tongues as evidence, which presents a problem. Just maybe tongues were the sign of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to first the Jerusalem Church then Samaritan and Gentile churches heralding the beginning of the christian era rather than a sign of individual salvation. The Holy Spirit bringing about the faith to believe, to glorify Jesus and to witness of him. Paul in every epistle spoke of Jesus, as did Peter, James and John in their salutations and benedictions :- Paul to Corinthians. "For I determined not to know anything among you save Jesus Christ." Paul again "Grace of out Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit." "Ye are Christ's and Christ is God's." "Love be with you all in Jesus Christ" etc etc etc. Epi |
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Re：Poor Bradley Date Posted：03/02/2009 10:01 PMCopy HTML Brad is good at eisegesis. In fact he is very good at eisegesis:
quote : "It is not based on Jesus Christ"  and it: "It is not based on God" Brad , "tes basileias tou Theou" is genitive and it literally translates "the kingdom of God" but because it is genitive then what the text is really inferring is "the kingdom that belongs to God" ... A kingdom therefore must have a King and it should occur to you who the King is.. But understand also Brad that the Holy Spirit is not just merely a power. Yes the Holy Spirit is the power of the Godhead but most importantly the Holy Spirit is a person. blessings Eric |
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Re：Poor Bradley Date Posted：03/02/2009 10:47 PMCopy HTML I particularly liked this bit - "believing in Jesus Christ is a load of garbage if you don't have the Holy Spirit".
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Re：Poor Bradley Date Posted：04/02/2009 12:06 AMCopy HTML Hi, HG.
Perhaps the silliest thing about Smith's comments is that, biblically-speaking, one can't believe in Jesus unless the Spirit has been active in the life of the person first, thereby enabling the very act of belief! Dumb Revivalists! Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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