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Date Posted:14/09/2007 04:48:22 PMSorry, I posted this in another topic, so it is duplicated.OK guys, here it is a new thread !! Knock yourselves out !!Infant sprinkling - the "loaded language" of the GRC, so Noelish. I must ad that it has to be almost spat out and said with utter contempt.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe, that Christening of babies played a very important role in a devout couple's wish to see their child enter the kingdom of Heaven after it died, usually at a very tender age. No conspiracy, nothing sinister. The exceptionally high rate of infant deaths, meant that children were committed to God, by caring and carefully selected Godparents who made certain promises on the child's behalf and also committed themselves to making sure that the child was brought up a devout member of whichever religion it was born and then Christened into.Maybe it was to make the parents feel better when their child passed away at an age well before they were able to repent and make the committment to Christ themselves. Yes, it is a custom or ritual that has been carriedon in church tradition to this day, not purely scriptural, but it is hardly a satanic ritual or even an unChristian one.When you reject the Baptism of infants it is because there is no scripture that specifically includes them in this ritual, but equally the Bible doesn't specifically exclude them from Baptism either. The main argument against it is the fact that infants can't repent, this is the role of the Godparents, the repentance is done by proxy.My son was married in the - wait for it - Ukrainian Orthodox Catholic Church. The service was edifying and spiritually uplifting. The Christenings we have attendedare joyous, spiritual events. The love of God and Family celebrated on these occasions is both breathtaking and awe inspiring in the celebration of not only Christ and the Holy Trinity, but also of life, marriage and the extended Family.The traditions that we have been exposed to have enriched our lives and made us marvel at the diversity of "edifying" (this is also loaded language)ways that man can pay homage to his Maker.I guess I am trying to say, that no matter what you call it, "Infant Sprinkling" is a pretty spiritually moving experience and while it is not literally scriptural, I believe that it was deemed necessary ( maybe misguidedly)bydevout Christians, trying to ensure that their children's souls were safeguarded in a time when life was so precarious.It has remained an important ritual in many religions.Condone it or condemn it, it exists as part of church life for millions of people worldwide.Life and religion cannot always be viewed in either black or white, there are shades of grey, which give depth and vitality to every experience.Cheers,Glad
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Re:Paedobaptism: Infant Sprinkling: Child Baptism or just plain old Christening of Babies

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Date Posted: 14/09/2007 04:48:22 PM

Sorry, I posted this in another topic, so it is duplicated.  

  OK guys, here it is a new thread !! Knock yourselves out !!

Infant sprinkling - the "loaded language" of the GRC, so Noelish. I must ad that it has to be almost spat out and said with utter contempt.

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I believe, that Christening of babies played a very important role in a devout couple's wish to see their child enter the kingdom of Heaven after it died, usually at a very tender age. No conspiracy, nothing sinister. The exceptionally high rate of infant deaths, meant that children were committed to God, by caring and carefully selected Godparents who made certain promises on the child's behalf and also committed themselves to making sure that the child was brought up a devout member of whichever religion it was born and then Christened into.

Maybe it was to make the parents feel better when their child passed away at an age well before they were able to repent and make the committment to Christ themselves.  Yes, it is a custom or ritual that has been carried on in church tradition to this day , not purely scriptural, but it is hardly a satanic ritual or even an unChristian one.

When you reject the Baptism of infants it is because there is no scripture that specifically includes them in this ritual, but equally the Bible doesn't specifically exclude them from Baptism either. The main argument against it is the fact that infants can't repent, this is the role of the Godparents, the repentance is done by proxy.

My son was married in the - wait for it -  Ukrainian Orthodox Catholic Church. The service was edifying and spiritually uplifting. The Christenings we have attended are joyous, spiritual events. The love of God and Family celebrated on these occasions is both breathtaking  and awe inspiring in the celebration of not only Christ and the Holy Trinity, but also of life, marriage and the extended Family.

The traditions that we have been exposed to have enriched our lives and made us marvel at the diversity of "edifying" (this is also loaded language) ways that man can pay homage to his Maker.

I guess I am trying to say, that no matter what you call it, "Infant Sprinkling" is a pretty spiritually moving experience and while it is not literally scriptural, I believe that it was deemed necessary ( maybe misguidedly) by devout Christians, trying to ensure that their children's souls were safeguarded in a time when life was so precarious.

It has remained an important ritual in many religions. Condone it or condemn it, it exists as part of church life for millions of people worldwide. 

Life and religion cannot always be viewed in either black or white, there are shades of grey, which give depth and vitality to every experience.

Cheers,

Glad

"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
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