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Date Posted:27/08/2010 7:31 AMCopy HTML

Good afternoon, one and all.

Given that Scripture records Jesus devoting more time to discussing/teaching about the subject of hell than he did heaven, I propose that it's probably a topic which warrants a closer look. Of course two thousand odd years of religious tradition, cultural accretions and the like, has led to a state of affairs where the very notion of hell is objected to by many. To those Christians who don't find the concept of hell objectionable, a large percentage are either embarrassed by it or, better still, concerned about it, and such apprehension is clearly justified given that Scripture records the Christian God being a god of love.

I'd like to begin this study by suggesting that there are two bases around which most people object to the historic Christian teaching on hell, broadly speaking. The first, and probably the most common, is philosophical. The second, and that which I intend to treat first, is theological. The reason that I propose following this course of inquiry has to do with establishing a key prolegomenon, to wit, that it's Christian Scripture which informs the historic, orthodox Christian understanding on the subject of hell. If it can't be established that the Bible teaches what orthodox Christianity presents, then there can be no basis whatsoever for accepting the doctrine! If, however, such can be established, then one must first pause to reflect upon the implications that result before attempting to "reason away" the issue. Once the biblical exegesis followed by the biblical theology has been sufficiently addressed, I'll try my hand at presenting the philosophical points of approval and objection to the doctrine.

Of course, I welcome considered input from all


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Ian

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Re:On hell (prolegomena)

Date Posted:28/08/2010 6:11 PMCopy HTML

 Its already been subject to drawn out deliberations Ian.  http://revival.aimoo.com/The-Bible-Beliefs-and-Faiths/What-the-hell-is-HELL-1-54019.html

But I guess you will happily declare that all that everyone had to say except for your good self is invalid and irrelevent! (as you do)  Don't let us stop you from laying out your be-all-and-end-all theology for your self gratification though.

Hmmm what seems NOT to make any sense at all, is why on earth God would want to punish anyone eternally with torment, for some finite misdeeds during their very short life.  Sort of his very own 'groundhog day' where he doesn't just throw out the rubbish as its no longer useful, he forever retrieves it and then disposes of it again. 

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Date Posted:29/08/2010 12:51 AMCopy HTML

Good morning, Dog.

Well, I'm sorry that you feel that way given that what you've described isn't my intent. Perhaps you noticed that I didn't participate in those previous discussions? Well, Moth has asked for my understanding on the subject, and he has asked me to post them here. Furthermore there's a significant point that that I trust will become quite clear from my posts and that is this: there isn't such a thing as simply the one orthodox position on hell.

So might I ask that you try suspending your judgment until I've had my say?

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Ian

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Date Posted:29/08/2010 2:29 AMCopy HTML

 Well fire away then Ian!

BTW you actually DID contribute to that previous discussion.  You probably forgot, as it was a while back.

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Re:On hell (prolegomena)

Date Posted:29/08/2010 5:19 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Dog.

Well fire away then Ian!

Thank you, and I think I shall (but all in good time).

BTW you actually DID contribute to that previous discussion.  You probably forgot, as it was a while back.

Did I? Oh, okay. One thing about which I'm certain, whatever my contributions to the previous discussions were, they weren't exegetical! From memory I largely side-stepped that conversation because it seemed to me that too many of the participants were too heavily invested in declaring their own positions at the time. All my "voice" would've added, would have been: "blah, blah, blah" to the cacophony then taking place! Now that the "passion" has largely abated from the discussion, it might be interesting to have another go.

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Ian

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Re:On hell (prolegomena)

Date Posted:16/09/2010 12:49 AMCopy HTML

Greetings Ian, et al

 

Have been away from this forum for quite some time and every now and then re-visit on the hope that you have returned. Today I have been rewarded!

 

A very interesting subject and one I frequently wrestle with having reflection to the doctrine of predestination. At present and with my limited knowledge of theology I subscribe to predestination. If I do so, then Hell is not for Christians (backslidden or otherwise) as we have been predestined to salvation, to be conformed to the image of Christ.

 

Please let me explain. From my understanding predestination is every Divine decree by which God, owing to His infallible prescience of the future, has appointed and ordained from eternity all events occurring in time.

 

There are, off course, vessels made unto honour and vessels made unto dishonour but the election is exclusively of God which has been pre determined before the foundation of the world was laid, before the creation of man and woman.

 

When we partake in Eucharist, the body of Christ keeps me in eternal life…whether I have thought bad thoughts, whether I held ought against my neighbour or whether my life does not exemplify Christ…I was predestined to salvation and free from hell.

 

So, if may be bold, to me to subject seemed to be moot and now I am glad that you have opened it up.

 

God Bless

Akriboo

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Re:On hell (prolegomena)

Date Posted:17/09/2010 12:00 AMCopy HTML

It's good to hear from you again, my friend.

Well, there's not very much in your rather succinct summary that I'd particularly disagree with

Blessings, bro'.

Ian

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Date Posted:06/03/2011 12:45 PMCopy HTML

This thread had a short innings.

Ian, have you any more interest on the subject?

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Date Posted:06/03/2011 8:50 PMCopy HTML

Ralph,

This thread had a short innings. Probably because it's not a particularly 'major' topic for most people. Ian, have you any more interest on the subject? A lack of 'interest' has never been the issue. A lack of 'time', however, is.

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Ian
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My 2 bob's worth,

My understanding that hell is not a place of punishmant per se, but more a result of our choices in this life.

Hell is a place of the total and complete absence and influence of God, which means a place of no Love Joy Peace etc. Which is why it is described as a place of eternal pain and torment.

How does someone end up there? By choosing to reject Christ (or not accept Him) in this life.

God Bless
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Date Posted:06/03/2011 10:26 PMCopy HTML

Reply to outforgood

My 2 bob's worth,

My understanding that hell is not a place of punishmant per se, but more a result of our choices in this life.

Hell is a place of the total and complete absence and influence of God, which means a place of no Love Joy Peace etc. Which is why it is described as a place of eternal pain and torment.

How does someone end up there? By choosing to reject Christ (or not accept Him) in this life.

God Bless

Easy :-)) by being involved in a revivalist sect (including this one) and being misled by thereof !!!

blessings

Eric
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