Hey guys, thanks and yes, i think i'll start off with an espresso...

OK, so after the verses comes the line...

'and THAT could be hell!'

REALITY BITES verse 2

Church slowed me down, but
taught me patience,
should've grown love but it
showed me what HATE is...

-FEAR! so i said 'i'm outta here'

then i blocked my ears, cause
fear is contagious,
DANGEROUS, outrageous and irrational,
but we buy it, because they make fear
fashionable

-word origin: malleable
and you feel like gold
-ego's stroked, but you're
beaten to a mould, and you're
TOLD, instead of treated like an equal, an

entity with lost identity is the
sequel, and
NO ID = NO IDEA, so you
lean on dogma or your
world disappears, but

why not overcome your biggest fear?
-that maybe the
definition of GOD isn't so clear,
and
HEAR the message of the prophets, cause the
letter often causes
killing for a profit

did your pastor read you THAT bit?
what about the life of Christ and his
anti-religious habits, see

- he had a global view, and
saw right through
what the rabbi's knew,
although himself a jew, he

travelled around
and questioned doctors,
from the age of twelve
and found
keys to the locks ta'
the
freedom to delve
into
mysteries hidden, like

YOU GAIN A DEATH-WISH IF YOU DON'T FEEL FORGIVEN

see, at the
beginning of religion were
vivid descriptions to help find a reason and a
vision for livin'

events were events, but
some didn't make sense, so
humans created a
line that separated and

while science attained
major developments, the
only thing religion maintained was
stagnENCE

physics and ethics should walk hand in hand,
'cause when the s*** hits the fan, your mental
health could be damned...

and THAT could be hell


[c] St. Rogue Elephant

not to be pedantic, but there are a few mistakes... i had to get it all back from memory. just for the 'record', the original goes 'don't rush or force my decision' and 'prepare for a fall to feel the full effect of hard knocks'. but who really cares?

the important thing is when are we going to all express our feelings with our own poetry etc. and lay it on vinyl? well, maybe burnt cd. and what samples? maybe a creepy slow minor piano roll from 'the spirit and the bride' and the drums from 'grindin' (N.O.R.E). ideas, y'all!

who's a producer out there? we can be called 'the excommunicated' or something.

just a late-night idea for transcending and turning our experiences into something positive.

...like money!

jesus walks isn't a bad jam is it?

maybe we can have a music forum called 'items' where we can recommend 'recovery' music, like 'the real holy place' by KRS-1.

anyone remember 'shikina glory'? didn't they rock?

well, this is kinda the music thread for me, so here's some lyrics i found accidentally... haven't heard the song myself... parental advisory: explicit lyrics...
RIVER CITY REBELS LYRICS

"Pass the Basket"

assume the position and start to pray
here comes the priest, its time to play
we'll use the good word to clean up the mess
going to heaven child you've been blessed

[Chorus]
hush hush pass the basket around [x3]
and put your money in

did you buy that religioin and what did you get?
a shitty handbook and quote good life
sin sin sin with a dick in the ass
sin sin sin life's a laugh

[Repeat chorus]

common sense and a heart of gold [x3]

[Repeat chorus]

[was going to replace some letters with *'s but didn't know which ones to do]

OK, while i'm at it, you might as well check out this absolute must-hear [-read]classic...

THE REAL HOLY PLACE - KRS-1

Why are metaphysical teachings forbidden?
Why are metaphysical teachings forbidden?
Why are metaphysical teachings forbidden?
The only way to talk to God is in church?
Hah hah hah you must be KIDDING
For years they kept God hidden
Look for God in self not in what's written
Turn this up and listen
If your slavemaster wasn't a Christian you wouldn't be a Christian
*whip cracks*
If your slavemaster wasn't a Christian you wouldn't be a Christian
*whip cracks*
If your slavemaster wasn't a Christian YOU wouldn't be a Christian!!!
*whip cracks twice*
Your whole culture's missing
Hebrews are African, see they originated Judaism
The belief in one God is monotheism, see the truth is not hard
All you gotta know is the facts
When religion mixes with politics... it ALL GETS WACK
You gotta know your history, or they'll tell you that God is a mystery
And when you're born, you're born in sin
That's bullshit. That's BULLSHIT!
They're only saying you can't win
You can't succeed, you can't acheive
Don't ask about God, just sit there and believe
Well I ain't tryin to hear that lesson
Cause one thing I know
Cause one thing I know
Cause one thing I know is that the truth can always be questioned
YEAH that's how I'm livin
Ask and ye shall be given
When you're lyin, hah hah hah, you got no answers
You got handclappers and a WHOLE lotta dancers
in the church or sanctuary
They all forgot Jesus was a revolutionary
They all forgot Jesus was a revolutionary
They all forgot Jesus was a revolutionary!!!
that hung out with criminals
I would say read the Bible but it's not the original
So it's really misleading
If you don't know the history of the author you don't know what you're
reading
If you DON'T know the history of the author you don't know what you've
read
You can't taste the nectar
That answers the question on why I do lectures
Cause where every MC claims to be the teacher, I be DISSIN professors
Keep that Bible on your shelf
God helps those that help themselves
Stop reading from a dead book
Stop reading from a dead book for a live God!
You know how stupid you look!
God reads the Bible with you
You both read the language of the devil that's dissing you
What can the next man do
with a Bible in his hand that you yourself can't do?
Whether Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, or Jew
Burning candles don't get you down with the universal crew
So why you dress up on Easter and worship a false Mary
that looks like Mona Lisa? Hah hah, damn you lost
On Christ-mas, what's the purpose of Santa Claus? *bells jingle*
On Christ-mas, what's the purpose of Santa Claus? *bells keep
jingling*
On Christmas what's the purpose of Santa Claus!!!
Or Saint Nickalaus, I'm sick of this wickedness
All revolutionaries check this
I'm not synthetic
I'm not anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-Buddhist, or anti-Semetic
But I will set it off in the temple
Cause the real holy place is mental
The real holy place is mental
The real holy place is mental *starts echoing*
The real holy place is mental *echoing a lot*
The real holy place is mental!
The real holy place is mental!!!
Mental-physical, metaphysical

was listening to the album today... this from the same one...

POISONOUS PRODUCTS

The poisonous product (is) pimped out to poor people
Penetrates pieces of their thinking equal
It comes in peaceful thru the "TELL-LIE-VISION"
Distorts your vision
Now the lies got you wishin' thru transmission
You wanna be a better Christitan
You wake up sunday mornin' to watch "TELL-LIE-VISION"
Mission - Christians be sayin "Accept Jesus in your life"
Christianaty was founded 400 years after Christ
What are you accepitng in your life?
Christianty or the teachings of Christ?
Make up your mind, they're not the same thing
In 1992 the blind leads the blind
Right into the ground they can't show you where god is
Because they haven't found!

First - put down your Bible and release your sins
The Bible is dead, god is alive
Within, metaphysically speaking, I'll be clear
You wanna see god? Take a look in the mirror!
A tree is always known by its fruit
A human being can walk up right or crawl like a brute
Yeah, now who do you salute? The barbarian teaches us to hate our roots!
Despise our culutre, look for culture in another man's existance
Resist this - resist this master plan...

this one's called

THE TRUTH

Listen to the lyric as the negative is shrinkin
It's shrinkin out your life when you decide to change your thinkin
One of the first things we gotta switch around of course
Is Jesus Christ, and him dying on the cross
You're looking at the cross, surrounded in it's mystery
With Jesus on the cross in a, total misery
Now seperate Jesus from the cross so you can see
The truth about the cross, and the cross's history
The cross was created by the Roman government
It's only purpose and use, is cap-i-tal punishment
But Jesus Christ, was all about the revolution
While the cross was used as Jesus Christ's execution
See what if Jesus Christ, was hung upon a tree
Upon every church wall, that's exactly what you'd see
If Jesus Christ, was shot in the head with no respect
We'd all have little gold guns around our neck
If Jesus Christ was killed in electic chair, now get it
You'd be knealing to the electric chair with Jesus, still in it
You gaze upon the cross, and you see the execution
You yell stop the violence but the cross you're still using

It's not natural If it goes against God
It's not factual Her truth is not hard
It's not natural If it goes against God
It's not factual Gimme the truth!

So I say listen, listen, open up your third eye vision
God is not down with religion
Religion they be sellin it, listen up, God is intelligent
Reading of the bible is irrelevant
You gotta look within yourself, not a scripture
KRS-One comes to rearrange the God picture
If you sit and believe, you can acheive
If you sit and accept, you don't know, what's correct
or incorrect, take for instance Adam and Eve
The first two people on the planet, or so you believe
Their first time in heaven kids they had, Cain and Abel
Huh, now let me show you why the story's unstable
According to the story, according to what you believe
There was only Cain, Abel, Adam, and Eve
on the whole planet, now use your intellect
and tell me, what did Cain and Abel do for sex?
Upon the whole planet there was not another
Could it be for sex, heh, they were looking at each other?
Hold up! I thought the church wasn't into that
But wait, still yet, there is another fact
How did the world get populated?
Now tell me if I'm wrong, but obviously Eve had it goin on
Think for a minute, I know it gets notorious
But yo G, check out the chorus

It's not natural If it goes against God
It's not factual Her truth is not hard
It's not natural If it goes against God
It's not factual Gimme the truth!

[Rich Nice]
Yo yo...
Yo bring that back
I wanna say something on this BlastMaster session
Yo this is Rich Nice
You brothers gotta stop treating these hoes like nice girls
and these nice girls like hoes

[KRS-One]
True indeed, I'd like to welcome the rebirth of the Goddess
Word up it's all about knowledge of self
Yo Busta Rhymes, why don't you take the session over from here

from song cry, jay-z:

They say you can't turn a bad girl good
But once a good girl's goin bad, she's gone forever..

hey young world, slick rick:

Reward is a brainwashed kid goin wild

HELD DOWN, de la soul:

[Pos]
This is dedicated to all my folks
Diagnosed with a bad case of that proper upbringin
And never took the time to fall in line or follow
or swallow the thoughts
Of the recognized committees who lurk throughout ya cities
Ya hood, ya town, no matter which type
You from the same type of people try to hold you down
Just because you tailor made for bigger and better things
Never missed a chance to move ahead of things
And what does it bring? I tell you for me
it brought jealousy in backwounds from all the stabbin
Cats posin as my fan just to get grabbin what's mine
I'm livin in times where my daughters are found around
kids who can't afford thinkin caps
But always found drinkin raps and eatin off beats
Claimin laws of the streets - but who made the laws?
Everybody playin +Rebel+ with no sign of a +Cause+

[Chorus: Cee-Lo]
Well I, feel the world around me
I've found, that others, will bring you down, just to be down
You've got to make up your mind, where you wanna be
Where you wanna go with your life
With your life..

[Pos]
Yo, I'm never singin the blues but findin the clues to maintain
And I been blessed to reign supreme over nearly every dream
I had, and I made it come true
I'm an imperfect man and I'm holdin the clue
to perfection, it doesn't seem to matter what direction I look
I find people settin traps
Tryin to find the goal - without havin any maps
Even friends of mine, jumped on line, just to become my
adversary
They felt they were entitled to the dairy I made
They don't come to chill or behave

And they got, toast ready to burn
Not learnin to live, but they yearnin to take what you earn

[Chorus: Cee-Lo]
Well I, feel the world around me
I've found, that others, will bring you down, just to be down
You see - you've got to make up your mind, where you wanna be
And where you wanna go with your life
With your life..

[Pos]
So quick to place blame.. and deny the shame we bring upon
ourselves
So many names held accountable for my own account
When a large amount was weight - that I made and shaped
When I climbed I found
It was hard to find others around to point my fingers at
Which made me realize the truth
The biggest supressor could be your own ego lookin for an
excuse
to plant roots, in a field of self-sorrow
to sprout and follow the first thing you feel
Nourishes your hunger to be respected, it gets hectic
And when I'm watchin the news, and my daughter walks in
and choose to ask, 'Why were all those people on the floor
sleepin, covered in red?' I told her
that they were lookin for God, but found religion instead

[Chorus: Cee-Lo]
Well I, feel the world around me
I've found, that others, will bring you down; just to be down
You see, you've got to make up yo' mind, where you wanna be
And where you wanna go with yo' life
With your life, with your life..

{*Cee-Lo harmonizes and ad libs with choir*}

[Cee-Lo]
I need my SPAAAACE, to live..

Well I, feel the world around me
I've found, that others, will bring you down; just to be down
You see, you've got to make up yo' mind, where you wanna be
And where you wanna go with yo' life
With your life, with your life..

DEPROGRAMMIN' - the last poets

Censors talkin' nightmares stalkin'
Recipes that they taught you
Government pays my rent
So what they say it must be true
Friends and lovers undercover
Supporting what their mommies say
I've got the feel let's make a deal
One day I'll blow your mind away
CHORUS:
Deprogrammin'
Wine and famine
Psychic slammin'
We're deprogrammin'
Deprogrammin'
Get your chance in
Deprogrammin'
We're deprogrammin' you
Over night little christs
Control your laws so they don't bleed
Appreciate disentegrate
Eliminate what you don't need
CHORUS
Give my life back
Like the way it was
On the day I was born
Without a trace
My innermost self
What they didn't make
In their machine the human race
Take what you know
And throw it away
Their foolish rules
And passing fads
There are no lines
Or good or bad
Everything is what you had
CHORUS

CRUCIFY YOUR MIND - rodriguez

Was it a huntsman or a player
That made you pay the cost
That now assumes relaxed positions
And prostitutes your loss?
Were you tortured by your own thirst
In those pleasures that you seek
That made you Tom the curious
That makes you James the weak?

And you claim you got something going
Something you call unique
But I've seen your self-pity showing
And the tears rolled down your cheeks.

Soon you know I'll leave you
And I'll never look behind
'Cos I was born for the purpose
That crucifies your mind.
So con, convince your mirror
As you've always done before
Giving substance to shadows
Giving substance ever more.

And you assume you got something to offer
Secrets shiny and new
But how much of you is repetition
That you didn't whisper to him too.

RICH FOLKS HOAX - rodriguez

The moon is hanging in the purple sky
The baby's sleeping while its mother sighs
Talking 'bout the rich folks
Rich folks have the same jokes
And they park in basic places.

The priest is preaching from a shallow grave
He counts his money, then he paints you saved
Talking to the young folks
Young folks share the same jokes
But they meet in older places.

So don't tell me about your success
Nor your recipes for my happiness
Smoke in bed
I never could digest
Those illusions you claim to have going.

The sun is shining, as it's always done
Coffin dust is the fate of everyone
Talking 'bout the rich folks
The poor create the rich hoax
And only late breast-fed fools believe it.

So don't tell me about your success
Nor your recipes for my happiness
Smoke in bed
I never could digest
Those illusions you claim to have going.

a collection of tunes i mixed as an apprentice

hey all, it's me again, with some more stuff that seems to be unappealing to the majority online these days, yet, here it is.

not sure if many of you are familiar with the direction of modern music (and yes, it has an ugly face) and the importance of hip hop as an ideological soap-box for the underprivelliged/neglected/abused, but it can take many forms and anyone can take advantage of it and taylor-make it to their own style... believe, it's theraputic...

anyway, i was watching a british israel tape i was sent and somehow, it inspired me to jot down the third verse to the song i started earlier in this thread in literally two minutes... a lot less structured than the first two verses, this was a 'documented' 'freestyle' (this is where your know-how of modern music would help!)

i also noticed, while watching this 'piece' that once you are out of a certain mindset, the 'methods' and the 'madness' of our old church is just obvious and almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad). one doesn't NEED to edit it in anyway to reveal the ludicracy. well, that is my opinion and i don't mean to offend anyone and if i sound arrogant, then obviously i can't help it... also, if this should be in another category, feel free to move it... (it's just that it's still following some vague theme i've got going!)

basically, this is my way of offering my creativity to the community and hopefully someone might be able to relate/benefit one day, if not, at least appreciate the diversity of this mob, if i may throw us in together.

btw, before i start, i just finished writing a paper (for 'grammar and context' at uni) comparing the grammatical features of a church talk to child directed speech. has anyone heard of any other similar studies/comparisons?

ok... REALITY BITES VERSE 3

the power of prophesy, i can't ignore this, coz
people rise up to be the heroes in stories
british israel, you guessed what you're gettin'
but most wont be happy til you bring armageddon

prophets of doom, in little sheep's clothing,
white as snow on the out' but what goes on in-
side? it's a roller coaster ride
for peace of mind instead of peace entirely

binary oppostes, heaven - hell, good - bad, et cetera
one is worse and the other much better-er
the essence of war, within and without, so of
course there's a battle, but this time it's my shout

i have faith in humans, not an excuse, and
if i die fighting it's for you to call a truce
why can't you believe that things CAN change? it's the
true human miracle - use ya' brains! must it
end with the weeping and the gnashing of teeth?
eyeballs melting, flood of
blood in the street?

or you all in the makin' of a B-grade horror? a
Ricky Lake audience, to dumb to discover all the
bigger and better things beyond all the bullshit you're
fed twice a week at least and then pushin' it like

heroin zombies except working for the cops, who weed-out
internal affairs from their crops.
get with the programme or should i say out of it...
press Esc.(ape) to exit and don't doubt it.

church is a place that says for you, all is well
you admit you see through a glass darkly - i can tell
church could be a sanctuary or a prison cell and a
church like yours could be heaven...

and THAT could be hell


S'.The.Rogue.Elephant


well, that's it, but before i go, i must say that the passion behind some of the more mean-sounding stuff is stuff that pops out from time to time when i go to those places and antagonise myself through exposure to rubbish propaganda... plus the fact that my mum still goes to that church... basic awkwardness... so i just wanted to say that i don't think church people are horrible by any means and i've been there and from that point of view this stuff here would really piss me off, or at least make me want to rise to the challenge of a proper rational debate (probably what i'm really trying to achieve)... i really do love some of the friends i've left behind, although i feel like they have been fooled. or at least, for some reason are dependant on the church (one of my gripes being that this is intentional on the church's part).

i must also acknowledge the people in church who are suffering any mental illnesses, or general paranoia/confusion about life because i think i have been there (if i'm not still there unawares!) and sometimes church might be the best place for the moment. well, i could go on disclaiming forever, but it's just that sometimes you feel like you might do some damage with your words in carelessness and it gets harder to monitor when you are expressing real emotion in art or even in general.

plus, even listening to lloydy on the skeptics show, something in me wants to argue for the underdog, or man man trying something against science, or the man you know is sounding like a bullshit artist to the majority listening...

on that note, thanks for reading and despite what might emerge, this ain't about EGO...
unless VENGENCE is all about ego...

cheers and good luck with your personal battles/missions

hi y'all on the forum.

hope everyone is ok.

reality has smacked me a nice one recently and i've decided to maybe delete my account at this site.

i originally used this place to simultaneously express my emotions and (believe it or not) hopefully help someone in an unorthodox kinda way.

everything's basically true, however i am a sensationalist sometimes and might have exaggerated or, rather, just been a bit harsh.

i feel like i have some sort of right to disrespect christianity because it is inescapably part of my identity and due to belonging to a strict church and somehow inheriting a rebellious streak, i have resented that fact since leaving.

i know this is not my blog and i treat it a bit like a hotel, randomly ducking in and out without getting too close to any other member... however, day by day, i realise how serious this whole thing is.

i hope that my words have not done too much damage.

i have enjoyed many of the discussions here but i don't frequent the site very often.

i accept the fact that they are basically trapped in the internet forever somehow anyway, but if there is a way to get them off this site, i probably will do it.

so i am leaving it going so that you can see this message and even copy for blackmailing etc.!

so... no hard feelings folks...

good luck to all... keep up the good work, and sincere discussions. keep the faith.

love from me

Hi there mf doom,

Hey, I'm blown away by your 'blog'. Haven't much time right now to read through it all, but WOW you have been amazingly prolific and poetic. I admire you for using/contributing to this forum in your own way, as you have.

To close your account would be a terrible waste. Live life, grow and learn what life has for you, and come here as little or as much as you feel comfortable with.

You are a bit of a 'dark horse' but hey, I reckon that's cool!

Regards,

Dog.

thank you!

i'll leave it...

sendin' out joy...