Lloyds campaign of tyranny

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My father was a pastor in a small country town called Stawell. Some of you may know me, others of you may know my father. This is more my story than his, as those who know or knew him have all the details of his personal journey through RCI (or RCA as they were back in the day).

I was unceremoniously 'kicked out' from the Melbourne RCI after I did the unforgivable (according to Lloyd) sin of having sex outside of marriage. I was consumed with guilt after the fact, so I ended up approaching the only pastor with whom I'd had a decent relationship, Pr Ian McGregor, as his sons and I were friends at the time. Immediately, I was asked to leave, and Ian would get back to me regarding what would happen. Having seen and heard a lot of this sort of goings-on, I had expected a chastisement, a 'period' of not being able to attend meetings. How wrong I was.

I was asked to meet with Lloyd at his house, what most people called being 'dragged over the red carpet'.. some of you may know about this, but it was so called for quite obvious reasons. It was in his office in his house in Hawthorn, where all meetings regarding church welfare and discipline were held, and it has this enourmous red mat in the centre. My father came with me for a bit of moral support, and also to hear what Lloyd had to say on the matter.

Lloyd asked me in the most sugary-coated voice about my actions, and seeing as my father always told me that telling the truth in its entirety was a far better option than hiding it, I let it spill. All the details. Lloyd then proceeded to raise his voice higher and higher until he was almost apoplectic, yelling at the top of his lungs. I, being only 19 at the time, was petrified. I mean, my family had been a part of 'Lloyd's Lot' since I was three, and he was almost a demi-god in the Melbourne assembly. At the end of it, with me almost in tears with remorse and fear, he stopped yelling, calmly walked over to me and put his arms around me in a warm hug.

I instantly lost control and broke down, thinking this was my forgiveness. Wrong again. I was told by Lloyd that I was no longer welcome in RCI, and would I please wait in the car as he wished to talk to my father.

Now remembering that at the time, I was a 19 year old man. I'd been living out of home for over 18 months, and was not under any control of my father. My father came out after about 15 minutes, rather red in the face, and eyes that could have shot daggers. He told me that Lloyd was blaming him for my actions, saying that my father should have had more control over me, and kept a closer eye on me. A hard task for my father, since he was in Stawell, and I in Melbourne.. 3 hours drive at the best of times.

Since then, many things have happened with my family, including my brother and his wife being kicked out also, with the pitiful reason that he was my brother, therefore of a similar trait/personality.

Two years later, my father was then stripped of his pastoral role in Stawell, and the whole Stawell assembly was asked to travel to Ballarat for their worship, a 90 minute journey each way. Rather a hard ask, as 90% of the Stawell church was made up of elderly people.In all the time since then, neither my father, my brother, nor myself have been given any reason/excuse for why we were treated in this fashion. Now, 15 years on, we don't require nor want one. We've realised that Lloyd's rules are just that.. Lloyd's rules. Not God's, and certainly not from his 'Law Book' as it's been called.

Needless to say, we've all moved on, we've kept our eye on the goal, and we have an undying love for our God.

I have nothing against the RCI, nor for that fact, against Lloyd. I feel pity for him, but I've kicked the dust from off my shoes and walked on. I hope that all of you out there have done the same and can keep God's shining light in your vision. Don't let the powerplay that was/is RCI affect your walk with God.

For those of you who know who I am, and would like to catch up some time, feel free. I'm not in any organised church, but am interested in talking about what's where and who's this and that.

For the new-comers to the world outside of the RCI, please don't be afraid. It's a large world, and can take some getting used to, but think of what you can now achieve. You are not blinded, you are no longer wearing the blinkers that was Lloyds campaign of tyranny. Open your heart, pray for guidance, and talk to others that have come out. It's a great big wide world out there, but don't let it drag you down. It can, I know.. it tried it's damndest to me.

Take care all, and I hope to catch up with past and previous members that might know me or perhaps even know my family from the Christmas Camps my father ran for several years.God bless.

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Reply to : EzyRider 
First off, welcome to the forum.  I hope you are able to give and get whatever you feel you want to here.
I am curious why you decided to jump in now.  It sounds as if you left the RCI a LONG time ago.  Why join the discussion now and not earlier...why join at all?  (I am not implying anything by this question, just wondering is all.)
so I ended up approaching the only pastor with whom I'd had a decent relationship, Pr Ian McGregor, as his sons and I were friends at the time. 
Hey, that's my story too.  Ian gave the impression of being a nice guy (at least he did back in the 80s) but showed his true stripes when you crossed him or 'fell into sin'.  Do you still see his boys?  I kept in contact with the youngest until about 1999 and the middle one until 2001.  If you have contact details then I would love to drop them an e-mail.
You got to see the top dog (LRL) though.  I think that might have been because of your dad's position.  I was a rank and file pleb and only got phone calls from Ian.
Lloyd then proceeded to raise his voice higher and higher until he was almost apoplectic, yelling at the top of his lungs. ...
Really?  He was yelling?  Like a loss of control or just really angry?  What kinds of things did he say?
At the end of it, with me almost in tears with remorse and fear, he stopped yelling, calmly walked over to me and put his arms around me in a warm hug. 
Now that I really don't get.  Do you think he actually felt bad for you and wanted to comfort you?  Or was it a goodbye kind of hug?  I am wondering if he tried to distnace himself from the decision by hugging you himself but kicking you out 'in the name of the Lord'.  It obviously wasn't for your dad's benefit.  Hmmm...that is so weird.  Why hug you?
I instantly lost control and broke down, thinking this was my forgiveness. Wrong again. I was told by Lloyd that I was no longer welcome in RCI, and would I please wait in the car as he wished to talk to my father. 
Yep.  Wrong big time huh?  Oh well, welcome to the ex-RC party.  
He told me that Lloyd was blaming him for my actions, saying that my father should have had more control over me, and kept a closer eye on me.
You know Lloyd's oldest son, Paul, has a son who doesn't go to church anymore and Paul told me that Lloyd laid the blame on Paul for that too.  He said that it was because Paul left the RCI that his son no longer goes to church.  So what about Lloyd's own son and daughter who don't go anymore?  Who is responsible for that?  Lloyd stayed in the RCI and lost 2 kids to 'the world' and 'compromising Pentecostals' (LOL!!!).  I mean, if your gonna blame parents for their kids' choices then at least be consistent and blame yourself when your kids screw up right?  No!!!  Wrong!!! Lloyd doesn't sin or make mistales...or so he said.

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I find it ineteresting that you had lived outside of the house in another city while under 21. 
21 is the magical age where you can be put out and your father could not loose his ministry. 
I went to a place where the Pastor has 4 kids and 2 had turned 21 and at the 21st birthday there was allways the "I am so happy that XXXX stayed with the Lord so I can keep my ministry" type speech.
Also where I went the daughter of the Young People's leader was 18  and not even recieved  the Spirit yet.
Interesting how if parents are responsible for the actions of their adult children. You would think that Pastors are a reflection of the Head Pastor. I know that the "Help" are a reflection of  the Pastor that apointed them.
Seems kind of hypocritical that he gave you a hug. He was probably mad that he has to find a new pastor to replace your pop.

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MrJonah;

Thanks for the welcome. To answer your questions, I actually stumbled over the forum after hitting the cultweb site to see what else had happened to RCI in the 6 months or so since I last looked at it. Never realised that there was a forum, but I'm glad there is somewhere for people to go get some fresh outlook on their 'internment'.

As for staying in contact with the McGregor boys, I haven't spoken to or heard from them in years.. end of '98 would be the last time at a guess.

Lloyd has a terrible temper, especially when things don't go his way. I saw him get quite wordy on several occasions, not only with the peons, but with his pastors as well. At the time, I'd have to say his red in the face tanty he threw at me could almost be classed as schitzophrenic. He changed in the click of the fingers. Yelling one moment, cool as a cucumber the next.

It's been 16 years since I was removed from RCI, the first 5 were pure hell. Just to give you an idea, because of my 'ex-communication' from the church, and my family were still in there, none of my family members were allowed to attend my wedding, approximately 2 years later after the fact. That absolutely broke my heart at the time, as I fully expected that they would be there for me. Not so. Lloyd told my father that he was forbidden from being there, and if he did go, he could count his entire family as kicked out, no questions asked.

I look back and see just how damaging that RCI were, and I thank God I got out of there when I did.

I knew about Paul's son, and often thought the same as you: would Lloyd be blaming himself for his own children leaving the church? At a guess, I'd say no. He'd find something or someone else to point the finger at.

I was hoping by coming in here to help out others that have been through the wringer due to RCI, give another opinion or at best an understanding shoulder.

I look forward to discussing more of the whole RCI debacle with others in the near future. 

EzyRider.

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Reply to : EzyRider 
So where do you stand in regards to religion now?  Do you still believe in the RCI style salvation message?  Are you a Xian of any sort?  Do you go to church?  How do you see non-Pentecostal churches?
What about your folks?  Do they still run a church of some kind?  Please, fill us in....

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can someone tell me whether this is a rumour or not? that simon longfield commited fornication. and that he used to smoke weed? its relevant because of the whole father-son rubbish lloyd's pushing.

g'day ezyrider... not sure if i know you coz i'm all confused. and if i did you probably wouldn't know me, although i know of most of your fam and used to go to halls gap on the regular. yeah, i really like you fam... really nice peeps. how are your little bro's doin? and your other brother, he married 'DT'. that's the guy most likely to remember me, but its not really relevant anyway coz i'm overseas at the mo and stuff. yeah, knew a few people from stawell like that dean guy and even that craig guy [skater]. bumped into him at his workplace - cafe on chapel street. also al was working at revolver back in the day with a few other fallen angels. prahran's a good place for finding cool ex-members! there were a couple of chicks working at evolution too.

another place were i caught ex-youngies was at raves. it was funny, i used to rock up to raves and read books like 'the miracles of jesus christ for the intellectual' and the ex-members would laugh and say 'you're still crazy'. anyway, enough about that, but yeah, ian mcgregors sons were cool. especially al. they are more dudes who don't really know me, but would recognise me as one of the little rebellious s**ts running around. your generation probably didn't know we were all looking up at you dudes. it kinda helped adapt to the world and stuff. from terry-texta to the baileys to your sister-in-law's brother etc. they were all a cool generation to look up to. [it's all pretty cryptic to try and keep it semi-anonymous and at the same time fish for others who know who i know!].

but yeah, that lot were cool enough to escase being dragged into the ministry, like a lot of other pastors sons. like you guys were better on the inside than the ones who got dragged-in. they were arseholes and now they are part of the ministry. makes sense though. all they had to do was start playing instruments, get hooked up with a young girl, start wearing suit-n-ties and then start leading choruses, then give a talk here and there, and now they are like IN. but i reckon that's their punishment anyway.

great to hear from you. a real boost. gets me excited that one all nearly ALL the ex-members [especially from melbourne - represent!] meet up here at some stage and get it all off their chest. 

like, we kinda end up having to start again, and it's good to have people to reflect on 'back in the day' memorable moments and people, even if you didn't know each other. its like reclaiming a shattered history. anyway bro, welcome from me too.

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Okay, I'll try answering a few of these questions whilst still trying to remain relatively anonymous and somewhat cryptic 

Anonymous;

I had moved out of home at 18 due to work commitments. I was offered a pearl of a job with Telecom (as they were back then), and work in Stawell was rarer than rocking horse.. well, you get the idea.

You actually make quite a good point, in as much as if our parents are to blame for our actions, then surely the same can be said about the pastors, as they are the 'children' of the head minister(s). My father was not what you'd class as the perfect Christian, (is there any such thing these days?), but he certainly tried to be. He put a lot of his time and money into the church, sometimes to the detriment of his family commitments, as he often got called out late at night to sort out things, and had a lot of people depending on him for other help, including a few I won't mention requesting him for money so they could pay this bill or buy food, etc etc. Having said that, he poured everything he had into it, and was rewarded by being stood down and chastised for raising a mongrel son like me. It's a cruel world.

MrJonah;

My stance on religion in general is basic and simple: I don't go for the organised religion thing any more. I still count myself as a Christian, but perhaps not a 'practising' one. (I've always loved that word.. practising.. it takes practice to be perfect, right?  )

As for still believing in the RCI-style of salvation.. well, to be quite honest, I really don't know what to believe any more. For years I had been brought up in the RCI way of thinking. Then when I 'came out', I started checking around a whole lot more, to the point of going to a lot of different churches (AoG, CRC, Catholic, Baptist, etc) to find out the differing messages. In reality, other than the whole tongues thing, most of them had the same basic line. I beleive in God, I believe that the Bible is the inspired work of God, but my outlook is now somewhat relaxed in what it takes to be 'saved'. (Isn't it funny how easy it is to slip back into the old RCI vernacular!)

My family moved on from RCI, and my father ran his church seperately from RCI, as the whole church decided that if they couldn't have Dad as their pastor in RCI, then they didn't want to be in the RCI, so the whole assembly pulled out as one. Dad stayed on with them for several years more, but found he was getting too old to keep doing it. They had a joint meeting with all the members, and decided to amalgamate with a local AoG, and most of them are there to this day. Dad has taken a back seat in the ministry now, and likes being a pleb that sits in the middle. Less pressure, less everything. There are now no immediate family members that are in RCI, thankfully.

avenger dude;

I was the eldest, easy to spot as I had long blonde hair up until about 12 months ago. My brother that married DT is well, although their marriage broke up several years ago. He's now remarried and has a one year old son now. He's living in Rowville, just down the road from me, although we rarely catch up unless it's a family thing (birthdays, xmas, etc.) He'd probably remember you more than I would, as he and I travelled in different circles. Especially if you were mates with DT's brother.

I spent most of my time in the Dandenong RCI, but went into the city meeting fairly regularly, as I had quite a few friends in there.

As for the Halls Gap camp, I have many fond memories of the Christmas Camps we held out there. I was only a young teenager when Dad first started holding them, and over the 7 camps he held, I can say I never saw a 'bad' one.

Anyway, hope that answers a few questions.. I'm quite willing to regale you all with tales of my RCI days, and compare notes with those that suffered under the jurisdiction of their system. Take care all.

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cool to hear. yeah, pictured you with long hair and maybe even blonde. i was in dandy from about '86 till it closed down... yeah, my first and most vivid memories of that place involve that big poster behind the stage of the world globe with a bomb fuse attatched to it, entitled 'are you ready?'. seriously with this type of stuff, back then, i would have laughed if someone suggested i'd still be alive and not afraid in the year 2005!

anyway, i still can't picture you exactly... did you play the drums or something? if not, don't worry about it too much, it's just that i think i could picture you once upon a time, hearing your name. i can picture everyone else in the fam. not to worry.

it can be fun here, saying allsorts of [once] heretic things! enjoy

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Reply to : avenger dude 
can someone tell me whether this is a rumour or not? that simon longfield commited fornication. and that he used to smoke weed? its relevant because of the whole father-son rubbish lloyd's pushing. 
I think only Simon could tell you that.  But you ain't gonna get anything but a denail ether way.
also al was working at revolver back in the day with a few other fallen angels. prahran's a good place for finding cool ex-members! there were a couple of chicks working at evolution too. 
I used to drop in on Al there too many moons ago.  
another place were i caught ex-youngies was at raves. it was funny, i used to rock up to raves and read books like 'the miracles of jesus christ for the intellectual' and the ex-members would laugh and say 'you're still crazy'. 
Young ex-RCs and drugs go hand in hand I reckon.  I have a whole theory about that though...all to do with pain, confusion, self destruction, lack of preparation on how to handle it all, etc.  Same thing goes with sex.  Although that one is largely tied into the repression of it all too.  I am living testimony of that!!!!
Avenger, I am trying to work out if I knew you or perhaps your family.  I was very close to Gareth while in the RCs and then with he and Al when they left.  But perhaps I am way older than you.
Also, you mentioned you're overseas.  Where are you?  You can PM me if this is all too personal for the board.  I assume you know who I am BTW.

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Reply to : EzyRider 
Thanks for your response.  My stance on religion now...  At first I ran a mile from churh then eventually got involved with an AOG.  They were not as bad as the RCs of course.  Not a cult anyway, but they had their 'issues'.  I then began to drift away from more fanatical expressions of Xianity and into more mainsteam churches until I eventually stopped attending church.  I recently dropped the whole religion.  I no longer consider myself a Xian.  To be honest, I think the whole thing is flawed.  That's not to say it hasn't had some positive effects on some people, but that hardly makes it true.  It was hard to come to this place as I was always afraid of hell...but once I realisd it doesn't exist it kinda lost it's sting. 

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I never played any instrument in the church itself, but I did play guitar at most, if not all of the xmas camps in Halls Gap.

As you said, the 'heretic' sayings can be quite enjoyed, as I used to feel quite guilty about saying anything against RCI. I find it quite liberating. 

As for the fear factor, that was much of the RCI doctrination.. "Where will you be when the trump sounds!", etc etc.. according to most oversight, you should be in every meeting, whether the Sunday or the mid-week housemeetings. Meh.. sometimes, I thought the pressure to attend EVERY meeting was a little much. In fact, I remember being chastised by my house leader for missing a Sunday meeting due to being up at my parents place. Although I went to the meeting there for the Sunday, it wasn't quite good enough, and I ended up facing old whitebeard from Dandenong due to my 'inexcusable non-presence'.

Anyway, as has been said on other topics, this one included, it's good to be able to look back with at least something of a grin.. how's that old saying go.. 'if you don't laugh, you'll cry'. Thank God I'm laughing now.

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word! yeah, hey, speaking of dandenong and all those meetings, remember we actually had tuesday AND thursday night meeetings before they changed it to wednesday?! that was crazy. 

to mr jonah... because you're in china, assuming you used to have another name on this board? i don't know how anonymous you want to be these days, but does it begin with 't'? to be honest, i don't think i do know who you are. if you are 't', then i've seen your other sites on the net oncluding photos and can't remember the face, but you remind me of 'jimmy the triangle' to be a bit cryptic... think he originated in the croydon area too.

i'm heading towards 30, i reckon your gen is around the 35 mark? it's kinda funny all this guessing. 

actually, if you are 't', then that's cool. hope you disregard snakechick's comments against the photos and all. personally, i think anyone in some sort of administrator role or friend of, or associated site should be a little braver than the rest of us. i trust it a bit more, putting a face to a name, coz, personally, i wouldn't put it past someone in the RCI or an in-between-spy having something to do with this. not that i think that's what's going on, but i would be more confident even pm'ing people with a few more details. see, by now, they must know i'm potentially on the warpath and any hints at who i am could foil my evil plans!

but maybe i just think i'm a soldier.

well, who cares? i got all these other sites and if you look carefully, you can see photo's of me too. tall dark and handsome of course, the above age, 'borderliner', ties with the first world, son of a single mum... therefore, generally not in the 'cool clique', but mingled with all and respected once they saw my good side.

dandenong to frankston to forum to RF to the church of me... likes hip hop... come on... how many churchies dug that? i mean before it went pop.

hope these help...!

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Reply to : avenger dude 
to mr jonah... because you're in china, assuming you used to have another name on this board? i don't know how anonymous you want to be these days, but does it begin with 't'? to be honest, i don't think i do know who you are. if you are 't', then i've seen your other sites on the net oncluding photos and can't remember the face, but you remind me of 'jimmy the triangle' to be a bit cryptic... think he originated in the croydon area too. 
Well, I think it is obvious to most who I am but I ain't gonna admit nothing. 
Who the hell is Jimmy the Triangle?
i'm heading towards 30, i reckon your gen is around the 35 mark? it's kinda funny all this guessing. 
Yeah, same age as Gareth.

So how is the Play Aware forum going?  What significance does that name have.  I am sure it means something to you.  Get many ex-RCs still or did they move on?  I see Calamity and H&S are back here from time to time, but not with the vigour they had before.  I see Snakechick on the Walk Away from Fundamentalism site.  She tried to have me banned but that didn't work out for her.  Now we just don't respond to each other's posts and are happily co-existing there.  To be honest, I am glad the whole intensity of a few months back is over now.  It's refreshing to see the site back on track and talking about the RCs and issues pertaining to that rather than all the other stuff that went on.  

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sometimes you just NEED splits. and the other forum... i needed one that is open to all sorts of things, just to express everything and be able to invite friends to also. re: people settling down, etc... that happens, once you get a chance to express yourself, i think. you just whinge about anything and have a bit of an argument until you have nothing else to say or just can't be bothered anymore.

yeah, play aware has quite a bit of significance. lots of different things, but basically a clothing brand i started out a few years ago. there are a few beanies out there with the logo on. half were sold half given to homeless people. also created as a project for school. there's a little more about it somewhere on the site. 

yeah, snakechick seems a bit more polite at the other site [maybe a bit more cautious]. said she wanted to start her own. i wasn't really into helping out. that fundamentalism one has a big following and is almost too big for me to bother reading any of it, but i'm sure it's really good. most of the members on the play aware one don't post and the others are on holiday.

"triangulo", but he must be near 40 soon. just thought you might know him coz he's from that area, but he might actually be relatively new.

that other period with all the fighting and everything... wasn't too bad. ok, yeah, at first i was kinda shocked at times and some of her posts made me a bit uncomfortable, but there was kind of an 'atmosphere' logging on. it was exciting and what have you, know what i mean? and pretty funny at times too.

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ok, check it out... being brave here, [or stupid]. wrongfield, feel free to move this... couldn't find the one where jonah asked more about me.

even though i write KNOWING that there will always be current members of both churches [-we love to hate] snooping around, i've still been cautious about identity due to wanting to avenge us etc., and to feel more free to express myself more extremely... even exaggeratedly. 

but as i try to hold back from getting over it completely, it's automatically escaping me... it's like an alien world that, if i wanted to sort things out, would be like a travel back in time and it's really as if it's not worth it and would just make life unnecssarily messier. its just the times i reflect deeply on incidents and re-live the experiences of others through their stories that i get motivated to sabotage the mo-fo's. but often, i just feel like it's just another of the many traps in the world and if one learns a lesson from it, great and if one feels like they want to be there while they are, and 'thinks' it's right and gets something out of it... great too, i guess.

maybe it's just the ones who can see both worlds that are most obviously affected... and that's a blessing AND a curse, at least. and we got this hang-out... cool...

back to the point... found a couple of photos on their site [youngies.net] with ME in them... doesn't take einstein to deduce who i could be, so if you recognise anyone in these photos, let me know! but basically... check them out while the offer lasts, [before i edit this message or something]... this is mainly for the cool peeps out there that sincerely want to see if they know me.

the cool thing about the RF is that they still have photos of me on their site. awesome! something the RCI would never do. shame, [and i've said it before] the RF's were kinda on a good track at a certain stage, but then the hardliners came back in there and became all legalistic and self-righteous and all about 'you must speak in tongues or you will burn in hell' [i don't need to mention the names of the adelaide pastors who colonised melbourne with this attitude -in a PNG/fiji stylee]. 

oh, which reminds me... another bitch... sent my mum a really nice birthday card with a bible scripture in it [you're the head and not the tail] followed by my own comment about 'let the bad guys do the worrying'... and one of these hardline pastors saw it at a housemeeting and said 'sounds like philosophy'...!!!! [i found semaphore's comment about putting family before the dictatorship important... they really try to worm themselves in-between... and sound like utter cocks in the process!]. anyway, maybe he IS smarter that i think because i DID have the pastors in mind while writing the comment. i hate how my mum is such a dilligent christian soldier and still fears for her salvation and those jokers... do just that. 

anyway, the melbourne assembly was becoming pretty cool in the days of near-autonomy, despite the lack of numbers.

the reason for the photos could also be that the assembly is a bit pov-vo comparatively [there are only a few melbourne photos on the site and these are from an easter camp in 2002] or it could also have something to do with the fact that i don't think i've officially left, now that i think about it! so i could be like a double-agent if i wanted... except i think they all know i'm living in sin at the moment and i just wouldn't do that to you guys... although it would be great publicity for ya's.

anyway, check em out, while i'm in a friendly mood [good weather]. they are the two group ones...

at the time of posting, top row, 4th from left and bottom row, 3rd from left... click and enlarge...

and holler at yer dog!

if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it

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Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny

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oh, here's the link... 

if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it

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Reply to : avenger dude

yeah, play aware has quite a bit of significance. lots of different things, but basically a clothing brand i started out a few years ago.

Actually...

It is a philosophy you have that you branded onto clothes to get the word out.

Remember?   (I filled out one of your pre production marketing surveys!!)

"It's about being aware".  Always watching where you are going and what of others BS you are eating.

And also, when you are f*$^*ing with someone else's mind Play Aware coz you never know who that person is or is going to grow up to be. ...maybe one of ?em will start a forum and maybe the rest will band together (even though you shamed us to keep us apart) And just maybe one of ?em will be a warrior... 

now I'm proposin' a toast to all the brethren that 

QUESTION and STILL watch where they're treadin' 

'cause the truth their not dreadin'... 

Respect to all the genuine people in church, who repented by 

choice as a result of a search, but to 

y'all buildin' a wall around yourselves like 

Fort Knox, 

-Prepare for a fall to feel the full-effects of hard-knocks. 

[c]STRE

"Be Aware

Stay Aware

PlayA ware"

Also, I heard your latest 'blend' (Selling an Experience) and thought it was exceptional!

Everyone on here should listen to it for a laugh and also to hear the madness in the pastors voice he sounds like he should be in a ward preaching to his own shadow that is being cast on the white walls - you brought it out perfectly!

Anywayz, just thought I would put my two pence into the picture....

EzyRider
Rank：Lurker Score：110 Posts：4 From：Unknown Register：20/06/2005 8:48 AM	Date Posted：20/06/2005 11:38 AMCopy HTML My father was a pastor in a small country town called Stawell. Some of you may know me, others of you may know my father. This is more my story than his, as those who know or knew him have all the details of his personal journey through RCI (or RCA as they were back in the day). I was unceremoniously 'kicked out' from the Melbourne RCI after I did the unforgivable (according to Lloyd) sin of having sex outside of marriage. I was consumed with guilt after the fact, so I ended up approaching the only pastor with whom I'd had a decent relationship, Pr Ian McGregor, as his sons and I were friends at the time. Immediately, I was asked to leave, and Ian would get back to me regarding what would happen. Having seen and heard a lot of this sort of goings-on, I had expected a chastisement, a 'period' of not being able to attend meetings. How wrong I was. I was asked to meet with Lloyd at his house, what most people called being 'dragged over the red carpet'.. some of you may know about this, but it was so called for quite obvious reasons. It was in his office in his house in Hawthorn, where all meetings regarding church welfare and discipline were held, and it has this enourmous red mat in the centre. My father came with me for a bit of moral support, and also to hear what Lloyd had to say on the matter. Lloyd asked me in the most sugary-coated voice about my actions, and seeing as my father always told me that telling the truth in its entirety was a far better option than hiding it, I let it spill. All the details. Lloyd then proceeded to raise his voice higher and higher until he was almost apoplectic, yelling at the top of his lungs. I, being only 19 at the time, was petrified. I mean, my family had been a part of 'Lloyd's Lot' since I was three, and he was almost a demi-god in the Melbourne assembly. At the end of it, with me almost in tears with remorse and fear, he stopped yelling, calmly walked over to me and put his arms around me in a warm hug. I instantly lost control and broke down, thinking this was my forgiveness. Wrong again. I was told by Lloyd that I was no longer welcome in RCI, and would I please wait in the car as he wished to talk to my father. Now remembering that at the time, I was a 19 year old man. I'd been living out of home for over 18 months, and was not under any control of my father. My father came out after about 15 minutes, rather red in the face, and eyes that could have shot daggers. He told me that Lloyd was blaming him for my actions, saying that my father should have had more control over me, and kept a closer eye on me. A hard task for my father, since he was in Stawell, and I in Melbourne.. 3 hours drive at the best of times. Since then, many things have happened with my family, including my brother and his wife being kicked out also, with the pitiful reason that he was my brother, therefore of a similar trait/personality. Two years later, my father was then stripped of his pastoral role in Stawell, and the whole Stawell assembly was asked to travel to Ballarat for their worship, a 90 minute journey each way. Rather a hard ask, as 90% of the Stawell church was made up of elderly people.In all the time since then, neither my father, my brother, nor myself have been given any reason/excuse for why we were treated in this fashion. Now, 15 years on, we don't require nor want one. We've realised that Lloyd's rules are just that.. Lloyd's rules. Not God's, and certainly not from his 'Law Book' as it's been called. Needless to say, we've all moved on, we've kept our eye on the goal, and we have an undying love for our God. I have nothing against the RCI, nor for that fact, against Lloyd. I feel pity for him, but I've kicked the dust from off my shoes and walked on. I hope that all of you out there have done the same and can keep God's shining light in your vision. Don't let the powerplay that was/is RCI affect your walk with God. For those of you who know who I am, and would like to catch up some time, feel free. I'm not in any organised church, but am interested in talking about what's where and who's this and that. For the new-comers to the world outside of the RCI, please don't be afraid. It's a large world, and can take some getting used to, but think of what you can now achieve. You are not blinded, you are no longer wearing the blinkers that was Lloyds campaign of tyranny. Open your heart, pray for guidance, and talk to others that have come out. It's a great big wide world out there, but don't let it drag you down. It can, I know.. it tried it's damndest to me. Take care all, and I hope to catch up with past and previous members that might know me or perhaps even know my family from the Christmas Camps my father ran for several years.God bless. Stupid people are like slinkies.. mostly useless, but you can't help laughing when one tumbles down the stairs.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：20/06/2005 7:14 PMCopy HTML Reply to : EzyRider First off, welcome to the forum. I hope you are able to give and get whatever you feel you want to here. I am curious why you decided to jump in now. It sounds as if you left the RCI a LONG time ago. Why join the discussion now and not earlier...why join at all? (I am not implying anything by this question, just wondering is all.) so I ended up approaching the only pastor with whom I'd had a decent relationship, Pr Ian McGregor, as his sons and I were friends at the time. Hey, that's my story too. Ian gave the impression of being a nice guy (at least he did back in the 80s) but showed his true stripes when you crossed him or 'fell into sin'. Do you still see his boys? I kept in contact with the youngest until about 1999 and the middle one until 2001. If you have contact details then I would love to drop them an e-mail. You got to see the top dog (LRL) though. I think that might have been because of your dad's position. I was a rank and file pleb and only got phone calls from Ian. Lloyd then proceeded to raise his voice higher and higher until he was almost apoplectic, yelling at the top of his lungs. ... Really? He was yelling? Like a loss of control or just really angry? What kinds of things did he say? At the end of it, with me almost in tears with remorse and fear, he stopped yelling, calmly walked over to me and put his arms around me in a warm hug. Now that I really don't get. Do you think he actually felt bad for you and wanted to comfort you? Or was it a goodbye kind of hug? I am wondering if he tried to distnace himself from the decision by hugging you himself but kicking you out 'in the name of the Lord'. It obviously wasn't for your dad's benefit. Hmmm...that is so weird. Why hug you? I instantly lost control and broke down, thinking this was my forgiveness. Wrong again. I was told by Lloyd that I was no longer welcome in RCI, and would I please wait in the car as he wished to talk to my father. Yep. Wrong big time huh? Oh well, welcome to the ex-RC party. He told me that Lloyd was blaming him for my actions, saying that my father should have had more control over me, and kept a closer eye on me. You know Lloyd's oldest son, Paul, has a son who doesn't go to church anymore and Paul told me that Lloyd laid the blame on Paul for that too. He said that it was because Paul left the RCI that his son no longer goes to church. So what about Lloyd's own son and daughter who don't go anymore? Who is responsible for that? Lloyd stayed in the RCI and lost 2 kids to 'the world' and 'compromising Pentecostals' (LOL!!!). I mean, if your gonna blame parents for their kids' choices then at least be consistent and blame yourself when your kids screw up right? No!!! Wrong!!! Lloyd doesn't sin or make mistales...or so he said.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：21/06/2005 5:11 AMCopy HTML I find it ineteresting that you had lived outside of the house in another city while under 21. 21 is the magical age where you can be put out and your father could not loose his ministry. I went to a place where the Pastor has 4 kids and 2 had turned 21 and at the 21st birthday there was allways the "I am so happy that XXXX stayed with the Lord so I can keep my ministry" type speech. Also where I went the daughter of the Young People's leader was 18 and not even recieved the Spirit yet. Interesting how if parents are responsible for the actions of their adult children. You would think that Pastors are a reflection of the Head Pastor. I know that the "Help" are a reflection of the Pastor that apointed them. Seems kind of hypocritical that he gave you a hug. He was probably mad that he has to find a new pastor to replace your pop.
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Rank：Lurker Score：110 Posts：4 From：Unknown Register：20/06/2005 8:48 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：21/06/2005 8:44 AMCopy HTML MrJonah; Thanks for the welcome. To answer your questions, I actually stumbled over the forum after hitting the cultweb site to see what else had happened to RCI in the 6 months or so since I last looked at it. Never realised that there was a forum, but I'm glad there is somewhere for people to go get some fresh outlook on their 'internment'. As for staying in contact with the McGregor boys, I haven't spoken to or heard from them in years.. end of '98 would be the last time at a guess. Lloyd has a terrible temper, especially when things don't go his way. I saw him get quite wordy on several occasions, not only with the peons, but with his pastors as well. At the time, I'd have to say his red in the face tanty he threw at me could almost be classed as schitzophrenic. He changed in the click of the fingers. Yelling one moment, cool as a cucumber the next. It's been 16 years since I was removed from RCI, the first 5 were pure hell. Just to give you an idea, because of my 'ex-communication' from the church, and my family were still in there, none of my family members were allowed to attend my wedding, approximately 2 years later after the fact. That absolutely broke my heart at the time, as I fully expected that they would be there for me. Not so. Lloyd told my father that he was forbidden from being there, and if he did go, he could count his entire family as kicked out, no questions asked. I look back and see just how damaging that RCI were, and I thank God I got out of there when I did. I knew about Paul's son, and often thought the same as you: would Lloyd be blaming himself for his own children leaving the church? At a guess, I'd say no. He'd find something or someone else to point the finger at. I was hoping by coming in here to help out others that have been through the wringer due to RCI, give another opinion or at best an understanding shoulder. I look forward to discussing more of the whole RCI debacle with others in the near future. EzyRider. Stupid people are like slinkies.. mostly useless, but you can't help laughing when one tumbles down the stairs.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：21/06/2005 10:33 AMCopy HTML Reply to : EzyRider So where do you stand in regards to religion now? Do you still believe in the RCI style salvation message? Are you a Xian of any sort? Do you go to church? How do you see non-Pentecostal churches? What about your folks? Do they still run a church of some kind? Please, fill us in....
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6110 Posts：262 From：Unknown Register：13/03/2005 7:23 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：21/06/2005 8:15 PMCopy HTML can someone tell me whether this is a rumour or not? that simon longfield commited fornication. and that he used to smoke weed? its relevant because of the whole father-son rubbish lloyd's pushing. g'day ezyrider... not sure if i know you coz i'm all confused. and if i did you probably wouldn't know me, although i know of most of your fam and used to go to halls gap on the regular. yeah, i really like you fam... really nice peeps. how are your little bro's doin? and your other brother, he married 'DT'. that's the guy most likely to remember me, but its not really relevant anyway coz i'm overseas at the mo and stuff. yeah, knew a few people from stawell like that dean guy and even that craig guy [skater]. bumped into him at his workplace - cafe on chapel street. also al was working at revolver back in the day with a few other fallen angels. prahran's a good place for finding cool ex-members! there were a couple of chicks working at evolution too. another place were i caught ex-youngies was at raves. it was funny, i used to rock up to raves and read books like 'the miracles of jesus christ for the intellectual' and the ex-members would laugh and say 'you're still crazy'. anyway, enough about that, but yeah, ian mcgregors sons were cool. especially al. they are more dudes who don't really know me, but would recognise me as one of the little rebellious s**ts running around. your generation probably didn't know we were all looking up at you dudes. it kinda helped adapt to the world and stuff. from terry-texta to the baileys to your sister-in-law's brother etc. they were all a cool generation to look up to. [it's all pretty cryptic to try and keep it semi-anonymous and at the same time fish for others who know who i know!]. but yeah, that lot were cool enough to escase being dragged into the ministry, like a lot of other pastors sons. like you guys were better on the inside than the ones who got dragged-in. they were arseholes and now they are part of the ministry. makes sense though. all they had to do was start playing instruments, get hooked up with a young girl, start wearing suit-n-ties and then start leading choruses, then give a talk here and there, and now they are like IN. but i reckon that's their punishment anyway. great to hear from you. a real boost. gets me excited that one all nearly ALL the ex-members [especially from melbourne - represent!] meet up here at some stage and get it all off their chest. like, we kinda end up having to start again, and it's good to have people to reflect on 'back in the day' memorable moments and people, even if you didn't know each other. its like reclaiming a shattered history. anyway bro, welcome from me too. if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Rank：Lurker Score：110 Posts：4 From：Unknown Register：20/06/2005 8:48 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：22/06/2005 8:33 AMCopy HTML Okay, I'll try answering a few of these questions whilst still trying to remain relatively anonymous and somewhat cryptic Anonymous; I had moved out of home at 18 due to work commitments. I was offered a pearl of a job with Telecom (as they were back then), and work in Stawell was rarer than rocking horse.. well, you get the idea. You actually make quite a good point, in as much as if our parents are to blame for our actions, then surely the same can be said about the pastors, as they are the 'children' of the head minister(s). My father was not what you'd class as the perfect Christian, (is there any such thing these days?), but he certainly tried to be. He put a lot of his time and money into the church, sometimes to the detriment of his family commitments, as he often got called out late at night to sort out things, and had a lot of people depending on him for other help, including a few I won't mention requesting him for money so they could pay this bill or buy food, etc etc. Having said that, he poured everything he had into it, and was rewarded by being stood down and chastised for raising a mongrel son like me. It's a cruel world. MrJonah; My stance on religion in general is basic and simple: I don't go for the organised religion thing any more. I still count myself as a Christian, but perhaps not a 'practising' one. (I've always loved that word.. practising.. it takes practice to be perfect, right? ) As for still believing in the RCI-style of salvation.. well, to be quite honest, I really don't know what to believe any more. For years I had been brought up in the RCI way of thinking. Then when I 'came out', I started checking around a whole lot more, to the point of going to a lot of different churches (AoG, CRC, Catholic, Baptist, etc) to find out the differing messages. In reality, other than the whole tongues thing, most of them had the same basic line. I beleive in God, I believe that the Bible is the inspired work of God, but my outlook is now somewhat relaxed in what it takes to be 'saved'. (Isn't it funny how easy it is to slip back into the old RCI vernacular!) My family moved on from RCI, and my father ran his church seperately from RCI, as the whole church decided that if they couldn't have Dad as their pastor in RCI, then they didn't want to be in the RCI, so the whole assembly pulled out as one. Dad stayed on with them for several years more, but found he was getting too old to keep doing it. They had a joint meeting with all the members, and decided to amalgamate with a local AoG, and most of them are there to this day. Dad has taken a back seat in the ministry now, and likes being a pleb that sits in the middle. Less pressure, less everything. There are now no immediate family members that are in RCI, thankfully. avenger dude; I was the eldest, easy to spot as I had long blonde hair up until about 12 months ago. My brother that married DT is well, although their marriage broke up several years ago. He's now remarried and has a one year old son now. He's living in Rowville, just down the road from me, although we rarely catch up unless it's a family thing (birthdays, xmas, etc.) He'd probably remember you more than I would, as he and I travelled in different circles. Especially if you were mates with DT's brother. I spent most of my time in the Dandenong RCI, but went into the city meeting fairly regularly, as I had quite a few friends in there. As for the Halls Gap camp, I have many fond memories of the Christmas Camps we held out there. I was only a young teenager when Dad first started holding them, and over the 7 camps he held, I can say I never saw a 'bad' one. Anyway, hope that answers a few questions.. I'm quite willing to regale you all with tales of my RCI days, and compare notes with those that suffered under the jurisdiction of their system. Take care all. Stupid people are like slinkies.. mostly useless, but you can't help laughing when one tumbles down the stairs.
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6110 Posts：262 From：Unknown Register：13/03/2005 7:23 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：22/06/2005 8:39 PMCopy HTML cool to hear. yeah, pictured you with long hair and maybe even blonde. i was in dandy from about '86 till it closed down... yeah, my first and most vivid memories of that place involve that big poster behind the stage of the world globe with a bomb fuse attatched to it, entitled 'are you ready?'. seriously with this type of stuff, back then, i would have laughed if someone suggested i'd still be alive and not afraid in the year 2005! anyway, i still can't picture you exactly... did you play the drums or something? if not, don't worry about it too much, it's just that i think i could picture you once upon a time, hearing your name. i can picture everyone else in the fam. not to worry. it can be fun here, saying allsorts of [once] heretic things! enjoy if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：23/06/2005 2:48 AMCopy HTML Reply to : avenger dude can someone tell me whether this is a rumour or not? that simon longfield commited fornication. and that he used to smoke weed? its relevant because of the whole father-son rubbish lloyd's pushing. I think only Simon could tell you that. But you ain't gonna get anything but a denail ether way. also al was working at revolver back in the day with a few other fallen angels. prahran's a good place for finding cool ex-members! there were a couple of chicks working at evolution too. I used to drop in on Al there too many moons ago. another place were i caught ex-youngies was at raves. it was funny, i used to rock up to raves and read books like 'the miracles of jesus christ for the intellectual' and the ex-members would laugh and say 'you're still crazy'. Young ex-RCs and drugs go hand in hand I reckon. I have a whole theory about that though...all to do with pain, confusion, self destruction, lack of preparation on how to handle it all, etc. Same thing goes with sex. Although that one is largely tied into the repression of it all too. I am living testimony of that!!!! Avenger, I am trying to work out if I knew you or perhaps your family. I was very close to Gareth while in the RCs and then with he and Al when they left. But perhaps I am way older than you. Also, you mentioned you're overseas. Where are you? You can PM me if this is all too personal for the board. I assume you know who I am BTW.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：23/06/2005 2:52 AMCopy HTML Reply to : EzyRider Thanks for your response. My stance on religion now... At first I ran a mile from churh then eventually got involved with an AOG. They were not as bad as the RCs of course. Not a cult anyway, but they had their 'issues'. I then began to drift away from more fanatical expressions of Xianity and into more mainsteam churches until I eventually stopped attending church. I recently dropped the whole religion. I no longer consider myself a Xian. To be honest, I think the whole thing is flawed. That's not to say it hasn't had some positive effects on some people, but that hardly makes it true. It was hard to come to this place as I was always afraid of hell...but once I realisd it doesn't exist it kinda lost it's sting.
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Rank：Lurker Score：110 Posts：4 From：Unknown Register：20/06/2005 8:48 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：23/06/2005 3:01 AMCopy HTML I never played any instrument in the church itself, but I did play guitar at most, if not all of the xmas camps in Halls Gap. As you said, the 'heretic' sayings can be quite enjoyed, as I used to feel quite guilty about saying anything against RCI. I find it quite liberating. As for the fear factor, that was much of the RCI doctrination.. "Where will you be when the trump sounds!", etc etc.. according to most oversight, you should be in every meeting, whether the Sunday or the mid-week housemeetings. Meh.. sometimes, I thought the pressure to attend EVERY meeting was a little much. In fact, I remember being chastised by my house leader for missing a Sunday meeting due to being up at my parents place. Although I went to the meeting there for the Sunday, it wasn't quite good enough, and I ended up facing old whitebeard from Dandenong due to my 'inexcusable non-presence'. Anyway, as has been said on other topics, this one included, it's good to be able to look back with at least something of a grin.. how's that old saying go.. 'if you don't laugh, you'll cry'. Thank God I'm laughing now. Stupid people are like slinkies.. mostly useless, but you can't help laughing when one tumbles down the stairs.
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6110 Posts：262 From：Unknown Register：13/03/2005 7:23 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：23/06/2005 4:06 AMCopy HTML word! yeah, hey, speaking of dandenong and all those meetings, remember we actually had tuesday AND thursday night meeetings before they changed it to wednesday?! that was crazy. to mr jonah... because you're in china, assuming you used to have another name on this board? i don't know how anonymous you want to be these days, but does it begin with 't'? to be honest, i don't think i do know who you are. if you are 't', then i've seen your other sites on the net oncluding photos and can't remember the face, but you remind me of 'jimmy the triangle' to be a bit cryptic... think he originated in the croydon area too. i'm heading towards 30, i reckon your gen is around the 35 mark? it's kinda funny all this guessing. actually, if you are 't', then that's cool. hope you disregard snakechick's comments against the photos and all. personally, i think anyone in some sort of administrator role or friend of, or associated site should be a little braver than the rest of us. i trust it a bit more, putting a face to a name, coz, personally, i wouldn't put it past someone in the RCI or an in-between-spy having something to do with this. not that i think that's what's going on, but i would be more confident even pm'ing people with a few more details. see, by now, they must know i'm potentially on the warpath and any hints at who i am could foil my evil plans! but maybe i just think i'm a soldier. well, who cares? i got all these other sites and if you look carefully, you can see photo's of me too. tall dark and handsome of course, the above age, 'borderliner', ties with the first world, son of a single mum... therefore, generally not in the 'cool clique', but mingled with all and respected once they saw my good side. dandenong to frankston to forum to RF to the church of me... likes hip hop... come on... how many churchies dug that? i mean before it went pop. hope these help...! if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：25/06/2005 1:35 AMCopy HTML Reply to : avenger dude to mr jonah... because you're in china, assuming you used to have another name on this board? i don't know how anonymous you want to be these days, but does it begin with 't'? to be honest, i don't think i do know who you are. if you are 't', then i've seen your other sites on the net oncluding photos and can't remember the face, but you remind me of 'jimmy the triangle' to be a bit cryptic... think he originated in the croydon area too. Well, I think it is obvious to most who I am but I ain't gonna admit nothing. Who the hell is Jimmy the Triangle? i'm heading towards 30, i reckon your gen is around the 35 mark? it's kinda funny all this guessing. Yeah, same age as Gareth. So how is the Play Aware forum going? What significance does that name have. I am sure it means something to you. Get many ex-RCs still or did they move on? I see Calamity and H&S are back here from time to time, but not with the vigour they had before. I see Snakechick on the Walk Away from Fundamentalism site. She tried to have me banned but that didn't work out for her. Now we just don't respond to each other's posts and are happily co-existing there. To be honest, I am glad the whole intensity of a few months back is over now. It's refreshing to see the site back on track and talking about the RCs and issues pertaining to that rather than all the other stuff that went on.
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6110 Posts：262 From：Unknown Register：13/03/2005 7:23 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：25/06/2005 6:23 PMCopy HTML sometimes you just NEED splits. and the other forum... i needed one that is open to all sorts of things, just to express everything and be able to invite friends to also. re: people settling down, etc... that happens, once you get a chance to express yourself, i think. you just whinge about anything and have a bit of an argument until you have nothing else to say or just can't be bothered anymore. yeah, play aware has quite a bit of significance. lots of different things, but basically a clothing brand i started out a few years ago. there are a few beanies out there with the logo on. half were sold half given to homeless people. also created as a project for school. there's a little more about it somewhere on the site. yeah, snakechick seems a bit more polite at the other site [maybe a bit more cautious]. said she wanted to start her own. i wasn't really into helping out. that fundamentalism one has a big following and is almost too big for me to bother reading any of it, but i'm sure it's really good. most of the members on the play aware one don't post and the others are on holiday. "triangulo", but he must be near 40 soon. just thought you might know him coz he's from that area, but he might actually be relatively new. that other period with all the fighting and everything... wasn't too bad. ok, yeah, at first i was kinda shocked at times and some of her posts made me a bit uncomfortable, but there was kind of an 'atmosphere' logging on. it was exciting and what have you, know what i mean? and pretty funny at times too. if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6110 Posts：262 From：Unknown Register：13/03/2005 7:23 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：30/06/2005 4:48 PMCopy HTML ok, check it out... being brave here, [or stupid]. wrongfield, feel free to move this... couldn't find the one where jonah asked more about me. even though i write KNOWING that there will always be current members of both churches [-we love to hate] snooping around, i've still been cautious about identity due to wanting to avenge us etc., and to feel more free to express myself more extremely... even exaggeratedly. but as i try to hold back from getting over it completely, it's automatically escaping me... it's like an alien world that, if i wanted to sort things out, would be like a travel back in time and it's really as if it's not worth it and would just make life unnecssarily messier. its just the times i reflect deeply on incidents and re-live the experiences of others through their stories that i get motivated to sabotage the mo-fo's. but often, i just feel like it's just another of the many traps in the world and if one learns a lesson from it, great and if one feels like they want to be there while they are, and 'thinks' it's right and gets something out of it... great too, i guess. maybe it's just the ones who can see both worlds that are most obviously affected... and that's a blessing AND a curse, at least. and we got this hang-out... cool... back to the point... found a couple of photos on their site [youngies.net] with ME in them... doesn't take einstein to deduce who i could be, so if you recognise anyone in these photos, let me know! but basically... check them out while the offer lasts, [before i edit this message or something]... this is mainly for the cool peeps out there that sincerely want to see if they know me. the cool thing about the RF is that they still have photos of me on their site. awesome! something the RCI would never do. shame, [and i've said it before] the RF's were kinda on a good track at a certain stage, but then the hardliners came back in there and became all legalistic and self-righteous and all about 'you must speak in tongues or you will burn in hell' [i don't need to mention the names of the adelaide pastors who colonised melbourne with this attitude -in a PNG/fiji stylee]. oh, which reminds me... another bitch... sent my mum a really nice birthday card with a bible scripture in it [you're the head and not the tail] followed by my own comment about 'let the bad guys do the worrying'... and one of these hardline pastors saw it at a housemeeting and said 'sounds like philosophy'...!!!! [i found semaphore's comment about putting family before the dictatorship important... they really try to worm themselves in-between... and sound like utter cocks in the process!]. anyway, maybe he IS smarter that i think because i DID have the pastors in mind while writing the comment. i hate how my mum is such a dilligent christian soldier and still fears for her salvation and those jokers... do just that. anyway, the melbourne assembly was becoming pretty cool in the days of near-autonomy, despite the lack of numbers. the reason for the photos could also be that the assembly is a bit pov-vo comparatively [there are only a few melbourne photos on the site and these are from an easter camp in 2002] or it could also have something to do with the fact that i don't think i've officially left, now that i think about it! so i could be like a double-agent if i wanted... except i think they all know i'm living in sin at the moment and i just wouldn't do that to you guys... although it would be great publicity for ya's. anyway, check em out, while i'm in a friendly mood [good weather]. they are the two group ones... at the time of posting, top row, 4th from left and bottom row, 3rd from left... click and enlarge... and holler at yer dog! if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6110 Posts：262 From：Unknown Register：13/03/2005 7:23 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：30/06/2005 4:50 PMCopy HTML oh, here's the link... if it gives you joy, enjoy! life aint pretty without it
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Lloyds campaign of tyranny Date Posted：21/10/2005 10:15 PMCopy HTML Reply to : avenger dude yeah, play aware has quite a bit of significance. lots of different things, but basically a clothing brand i started out a few years ago. Actually... It is a philosophy you have that you branded onto clothes to get the word out. Remember? (I filled out one of your pre production marketing surveys!!) "It's about being aware". Always watching where you are going and what of others BS you are eating. And also, when you are f$^ing with someone else's mind Play Aware coz you never know who that person is or is going to grow up to be. ...maybe one of ?em will start a forum and maybe the rest will band together (even though you shamed us to keep us apart) And just maybe one of ?em will be a warrior... now I'm proposin' a toast to all the brethren that QUESTION and STILL watch where they're treadin' 'cause the truth their not dreadin'... Respect to all the genuine people in church, who repented by choice as a result of a search, but to y'all buildin' a wall around yourselves like Fort Knox, -Prepare for a fall to feel the full-effects of hard-knocks. [c]STRE "Be Aware Stay Aware PlayA ware" Also, I heard your latest 'blend' (Selling an Experience) and thought it was exceptional! Everyone on here should listen to it for a laugh and also to hear the madness in the pastors voice he sounds like he should be in a ward preaching to his own shadow that is being cast on the white walls - you brought it out perfectly! Anywayz, just thought I would put my two pence into the picture....