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Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship

- A letter to The Revival Fellowship {previously known as The Revival Centres} 20th January,1998.

So many people, young and old, over many years, but especially the last two years, have walked away from a place of worship, that some had attended ten, twenty or even more years.

They had found the Lord there, obeyed His Commandments, been baptised, received the Holy Spirit, and many were healed by the Lord of many maladies. But they chose, for a number of reasons, to move away from this particular place of worship. Why? Firstly, the majority of these people have not "fallen away", or "moved out", they have "moved on".

Secondly, I would like to truly help you to understand the reasons why we, and many others, have left; this is with no malice but with a true desire to help you understand, and to help you within your Church. We were not asked to leave the Revival Fellowship, we left of our own free will'

"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Jesus said. John 8 v 31, 32

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." John 13 v 34, 35

Unfortunately, we have been driven away from your place of worship, because we have been witness to so many examples of lack of LOVE shown to ex-members. Cases of marriages being deliberately and heartlessly "broken up" by Pastors, advising the currently "in the Lord" man or woman, to discourage any encounter or even association with the "wayward" wife or husband - whose only "sin" in some cases, was to have preferred to worship God elsewhere. We know of much heartbreak, involving children of these marriages, caused by "advice" from the "over-sight".

Cases of members being "put-out" for a year (and sometimes more) because of adultery or similar sins. Oh yes! We know you're "tough", you have said so from the platform, many times! But where is the concern and compassion for these people, that Jesus showed us in His parable of the prodigal son - Luke 15 v 11 - 32? Where is the welcome back to these people, after the year is up? Unfortunately the stigma of their "fall" stays with them in a self-righteous assembly - (not all, but many) - please, think deeply on this.

Pastor Darryl Williams is extremely offensive, outrageous and repulsive in his interrogation of young "fornicators" (as assessed by him), by his asking them extremely personal questions, with no proof, such as, whether or not oral sex had taken place. We feel that he is overstepping his pastoral duties in this respect.What audacity!

"Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! Saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase." Jeremiah 23 v 1 - 3

Your pastors are no different to the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus's day in their condemnation and judgement of other people. For example I refer to John 8 v 1 - 11.

One of your Pastors said to us at a certain time, that "a Spirit-filled person cannot sin".This is nonsense! After all - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3 v 23) and even after receiving His Holy Spirit, we still need His everlasting mercy and forgiveness, and must always "walk on" with Him. "The devil as a roaring lion,walketh about,seeking whom he may devour;" 1 Peter 5.v 8. The Revival Fellowship stress most fervently that one must speak in tongues to be saved. But Jesus said in John 3 that except a man be born of water and of the Holy Spirit,he cannot enter the kingdom of God.Even in Mark 16,v 15-18, Jesus says "He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" At no time did Jesus say that speaking in tongues was a condition for salvation! How can anyone {Pastor or not}say that, this or that person,has not received the Holy Spirit? Only God knows the heart of man, and only He chooses who will be in His Kingdom. So much importance is placed on "the speaking of tongues" in the Revival Fellowship,but where is charity {love}?

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,and have not charity I am become as sounding brass,or a tinkling cymbal" 1Corinthians 13 v.1.

You know, we were deeply hurt and disgusted, when a Pastor, from the platform, said - of dear Fred Hollows, who died of Cancer, and had spent his life, caring for the restoration of sight in literally hundreds of indigenous people, with great love - "Is he going to make it?" Also of Mother Thesa who has devoted her whole life to loving and caring for the dying,desperately poor, people of India, the question was asked "by the Pastor "will she make it?". God will decide, not man, on that great and terrible Day of the Lord, who will or will not "make it".

Therefore "Judge not ,that ye be not judged." Matthew 7 v.1.

If wisdom is lacking, it is because of a lack of understanding. Both love and wisdom seem to be lacking.

Understanding that an ex-member of your Church can worship and praise the Lord, and fellowship, and be mightily up-lifted in the Spirit, alongside many Spirit-filled and born-again Christians in another place of worship, outside of the Revival Centre.

We feel welcome, and loved at this Church we now attend. We can show our emotions there, sometimes shedding a tear, as we are moved by the surging in our hearts for our great love of our Lord. We raise our hands in praise to the Lord, which was not a custom at the Revival Fellowship,and not approved of..

We were hurt, very deeply, a few months ago, when we were told, in no uncertain terms, that we would "not be welcome" at the funeral of a greatly respected friend, at the Revival Fellowship.

This was, we were told, because we had "accused the Church of not showing love".

What better way of indicating how correct we were in saying so!

Open your eyes, open your ears, open your hearts, and be part of the great revival going on around you; and forgiveness and love, the true Spirit of God.

You have lost so many wonderful people from your assembly - I won't name them, you know who they are - some who were hurting and offended, and gave their all to the Lord, and to the Revival Fellowship, physically as well as spiritually, for little, or no thanks or recognition (not that they expected it).

But these people are still walking on with the Lord, praising Him, and worshipping Him, and being tremendously uplifted in the Spirit, so much more than was ever experiences in the Revival Fellowship in latter years.

Don't miss out on this great out-pouring of the Spirit, which is going on all around you.

 

With great love and concern for our fellow Christians,

Jean O'Flaherty and Frank O'Flaherty

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You have touched on so many great topics.

Firstly you are concerned there is no love.

The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge. I have family there they make me sick. As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way.

Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick.  This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord.
I don't believe that just becaus you move on means that you have (fallen away) as it is so commonly used
and I don't think you need to dis-engage with activities with your family or close friends.

I would like you to reflect on how your "friends" would react to the distribution of this material as this is obviously an act against a group who wish to do things properly

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Hi, Guest.

Let me begin by stating that responding to your post is going to be fun!

Firstly you are concerned there is no love.

'Yep', and biblically speaking, this presents as significant grounds for concern.

The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge.

First, the role of pastor is supposed to be to embody love. Do you remember the ol' Bible verse that talks about the shepherd laying down his life for the sheep? Eh? Second, there is but six degrees of separation between the Adelaide RF and the Edge. Both are equally off-the-rails when it comes to promoting unbiblical nonsense

I have family there they make me sick.

Yes, but I'm sure they still love you regardless. One group fosters love, the other hate. Guess which one you belong to?

As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way.

What a pity that your Oversight thinks, and teaches differently, huh? So what do your actions make you? A rebel (without a clue)?

Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick.  This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord.

Well, I suppose nonsense of this sort just goes to show how far removed from biblical teaching you fellows truly are. Consider, Jesus Christ hung around sinners rather than the (self) righteous. He also went to some pains to point out that it was the sick who had need of a physician, and not the healthy. He consorted with prostitutes. Drunkards. The impoverished and dispossessed. In short, Jesus taught that "sick" people don't get "well" unless "well" people are willing to tend to the needs of the "sick"

Methinks you have much to ponder.

Blessings,

Ian

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Hi there Guest,

 "The Pastors aren't there to dish out love" you say.  Well, what Jesus said is that there is none other commandment greater than LOVE.

Mark 12:30-31:-
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength;  this is the first commandment.
And the second is like, namely this;  Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  There is none other commandment greater than these.

If as you state you're "a group who wish to do things properly" perhaps you should take your lead from Jesus' teaching and commandments.  It would be worth seriously questioning the validity of your church teaching if your pastors are not there to dish out love because, first and foremost, Jesus command to love is the example they should be setting. 

God Bless you.

Epi

Just including a few other of the many scriptures on love for good measure :  John 13:34,  John 15:12.
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Here's a call for the RF pastors:-   To make a effort to put aside the heavy focus on to admonish, chastise, reprove, reproach, reprimand and rebuke and make a rule of LOVE as Jesus commanded.

God Bless on this.

Epi 
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Guest: The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge. I have family there they make me sick. .

Urchin: You don't have to tell us that your pastors aren't there to dish out love - WE KNOW THAT! And do tell, just how do they 'dish out respect'? Been to Edge Church? If not, how can you comment on it?

Guest: As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way

Urchin: So you 'personally have no problem seeing, visiting or socialising with' the 'ex-members' huh? Did you know you can be severely disciplined or even told to stop seeing them or you'll be 'put out'? You better get used to the other churches that you're knocking so much then. 

Guest: Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick.  This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord.

Urchin: Amen to that - most sensible thing that was said all camp I bet! So when are you going to stop hanging around sick people then?

Seriously 'guest', get out your Bible and read it for yourself. Jesus hung out with the 'sick', the lame, the crippled, the tax collectors, the prostitutes. It was the Pharisees who thought they were 'doing it all correctly'  and were shocked that Jesus hung around with such 'sick people'. In fact, let me tell you a little story...
Your unfailing love, O Lord, is as vast as the heavens; your faithfulness reaches beyond the clouds. Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the ocean depths.
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Guest, this is the little 'story'

The Pharisees saw Jesus eating with sinners. Jesus said I have come to call sinners, not those who are well - those who are sick, not those who THINK they are well. Everyone is sick (a sinner) but some know it and some don't. We are all broken people, we all have 'issues' in our lives. All have sinned and fall short of God's standards. Mark 3:1 Jesus healed the man's withered hand on the sabbath. Some people (the Pharisees) showed hard hearts about this breaking of the sabbath. After they had witnessed this they went to see about having Jesus killed - He had 'messed with the program (the rules)'. The Pharisees failed to focus on the need - instead they focused on the rules. Religious people don't show compassion (love) for broken people but call them the 'scum of the earth'. Jesus came for these very people - not to worry about the law that says you can't work (heal) on the sabbath.
How Jesus views brokenness:
1) He went into the temple and saw a broken man - He didn't see the shining brass, the 'things'. He saw a broken man with a withered hand and He is attracted to such people. He looked angrily at the Pharisees though, those who shut off their hearts and don't show compassion for the broken. John 8:30 IF you abide in my word you are my disciples indeed and in my word you will discover the truth and the truth will set you free. On our journey we allow the truth of God's word to work in our lives. There are areas in our lives where we are broken (not quite 'whole') and Jesus is attracted to brokenness.
2) The man with the withered hand wasn't even known by any name - his identity was in his brokenness. Jesus calls him to stand up in front of the pharisees and extend his arm. He had to display his brokenness - Jesus believed that brokenness shouldn't be 'hidden' (by religion)
3) Jesus doesn't see your brokenness as an OBSTACLE, He sees it as an OPPORTUNITY. Brokenness EXPOSED is an opportunity to bring breakthrough to yourself and to others.
4) He was (and we can be) healed through the openess and vulnerability of a broken person. By being obedient and trusting His word the man could (and we can) be made whole.

Why did Jesus do THAT miracle that day? Who REALLY had the withered hand? The hand represents an outreaching to others - was Jesus trying to address a 'spiritual withering'? The Pharisees had spiritually withered hands - an inability to reach out, love and serve others.

Three things we can do:
1) never lose sight of OUR NEED for God every day
2) don't lose sight of GOD'S NEED for us - He can't work with people that don't show their withered hands and their brokenness. He will use our brokenness to reach others.
3) don't lose sight of MAN'S NEED for God - view the people around you as people that need God too.

These are my notes from a talk heard recently - worth thinking about?
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Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship

- A letter to The Revival Fellowship {previously known as The Revival Centres} 20th January,1998.

So many people, young and old, over many years, but especially the last two years, have walked away from a place of worship, that some had attended ten, twenty or even more years.

They had found the Lord there, obeyed His Commandments, been baptised, received the Holy Spirit, and many were healed by the Lord of many maladies. But they chose, for a number of reasons, to move away from this particular place of worship. Why? Firstly, the majority of these people have not "fallen away", or "moved out", they have "moved on".

Secondly, I would like to truly help you to understand the reasons why we, and many others, have left; this is with no malice but with a true desire to help you understand, and to help you within your Church. We were not asked to leave the Revival Fellowship, we left of our own free will'

"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Jesus said. John 8 v 31, 32

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." John 13 v 34, 35

Unfortunately, we have been driven away from your place of worship, because we have been witness to so many examples of lack of LOVE shown to ex-members. Cases of marriages being deliberately and heartlessly "broken up" by Pastors, advising the currently "in the Lord" man or woman, to discourage any encounter or even association with the "wayward" wife or husband - whose only "sin" in some cases, was to have preferred to worship God elsewhere. We know of much heartbreak, involving children of these marriages, caused by "advice" from the "over-sight".

Cases of members being "put-out" for a year (and sometimes more) because of adultery or similar sins. Oh yes! We know you're "tough", you have said so from the platform, many times! But where is the concern and compassion for these people, that Jesus showed us in His parable of the prodigal son - Luke 15 v 11 - 32? Where is the welcome back to these people, after the year is up? Unfortunately the stigma of their "fall" stays with them in a self-righteous assembly - (not all, but many) - please, think deeply on this.

Pastor Darryl Williams is extremely offensive, outrageous and repulsive in his interrogation of young "fornicators" (as assessed by him), by his asking them extremely personal questions, with no proof, such as, whether or not oral sex had taken place. We feel that he is overstepping his pastoral duties in this respect.What audacity!

"Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! Saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase." Jeremiah 23 v 1 - 3

Your pastors are no different to the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus's day in their condemnation and judgement of other people. For example I refer to John 8 v 1 - 11.

One of your Pastors said to us at a certain time, that "a Spirit-filled person cannot sin".This is nonsense! After all - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3 v 23) and even after receiving His Holy Spirit, we still need His everlasting mercy and forgiveness, and must always "walk on" with Him. "The devil as a roaring lion,walketh about,seeking whom he may devour;" 1 Peter 5.v 8. The Revival Fellowship stress most fervently that one must speak in tongues to be saved. But Jesus said in John 3 that except a man be born of water and of the Holy Spirit,he cannot enter the kingdom of God.Even in Mark 16,v 15-18, Jesus says "He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" At no time did Jesus say that speaking in tongues was a condition for salvation! How can anyone {Pastor or not}say that, this or that person,has not received the Holy Spirit? Only God knows the heart of man, and only He chooses who will be in His Kingdom. So much importance is placed on "the speaking of tongues" in the Revival Fellowship,but where is charity {love}?

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,and have not charity I am become as sounding brass,or a tinkling cymbal" 1Corinthians 13 v.1.

You know, we were deeply hurt and disgusted, when a Pastor, from the platform, said - of dear Fred Hollows, who died of Cancer, and had spent his life, caring for the restoration of sight in literally hundreds of indigenous people, with great love - "Is he going to make it?" Also of Mother Thesa who has devoted her whole life to loving and caring for the dying,desperately poor, people of India, the question was asked "by the Pastor "will she make it?". God will decide, not man, on that great and terrible Day of the Lord, who will or will not "make it".

Therefore "Judge not ,that ye be not judged." Matthew 7 v.1.

If wisdom is lacking, it is because of a lack of understanding. Both love and wisdom seem to be lacking.

Understanding that an ex-member of your Church can worship and praise the Lord, and fellowship, and be mightily up-lifted in the Spirit, alongside many Spirit-filled and born-again Christians in another place of worship, outside of the Revival Centre.

We feel welcome, and loved at this Church we now attend. We can show our emotions there, sometimes shedding a tear, as we are moved by the surging in our hearts for our great love of our Lord. We raise our hands in praise to the Lord, which was not a custom at the Revival Fellowship,and not approved of..

We were hurt, very deeply, a few months ago, when we were told, in no uncertain terms, that we would "not be welcome" at the funeral of a greatly respected friend, at the Revival Fellowship.

This was, we were told, because we had "accused the Church of not showing love".

What better way of indicating how correct we were in saying so!

Open your eyes, open your ears, open your hearts, and be part of the great revival going on around you; and forgiveness and love, the true Spirit of God.

You have lost so many wonderful people from your assembly - I won't name them, you know who they are - some who were hurting and offended, and gave their all to the Lord, and to the Revival Fellowship, physically as well as spiritually, for little, or no thanks or recognition (not that they expected it).

But these people are still walking on with the Lord, praising Him, and worshipping Him, and being tremendously uplifted in the Spirit, so much more than was ever experiences in the Revival Fellowship in latter years.

Don't miss out on this great out-pouring of the Spirit, which is going on all around you.

 

With great love and concern for our fellow Christians,

Jean O'Flaherty and Frank O'Flaherty



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how many years ago did you leave. isn't it about time you moved on
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how many years ago did you leave. isn't it about time you moved on

And so just what is the standard time that you have decided one needs to get over the hurt and betrayal so many suffered at the hands of Revivalist churches and leaders?

I week, 3 months? 5 years?


Bah humbug!
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 I am currently attending RF and have always stood up for them and said, "yes we do show love" and believed it. Pastors are supposed to be shepherds, and love and care for the flock. I have been in great need of love and support lately!!! I have done nothing wrong. I have taken steps to protect my children and myself from a violent man and have been punished for it. Yes, this i really happening! I have been put out of the church for a month, banned from playing music, told that my friends who are supporting me are a bad influence! All because I asked my husband who was physically abusing my son to leave!!!


Tell me Guest....where is the love? 

 

You have touched on so many great topics.

Firstly you are concerned there is no love.

The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge. I have family there they make me sick. As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way.

Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick.  This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord.
I don't believe that just becaus you move on means that you have (fallen away) as it is so commonly used
and I don't think you need to dis-engage with activities with your family or close friends.

I would like you to reflect on how your "friends" would react to the distribution of this material as this is obviously an act against a group who wish to do things properly



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You have touched on so many great topics.

Firstly you are concerned there is no love.

The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge. I have family there they make me sick. As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way.

Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick.  This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord.
I don't believe that just becaus you move on means that you have (fallen away) as it is so commonly used
and I don't think you need to dis-engage with activities with your family or close friends.

I would like you to reflect on how your "friends" would react to the distribution of this material as this is obviously an act against a group who wish to do things properly



If the pastors arn't there to 'dish out love' what are they there for.
On the bright side (for you) Chas Hilder saw me the other day and in his spirit of not dishing out love, did not even acknowledge I was in the same room.
'On Ya Chas' great teaching. A lot of people saw that too. No a great ad for the RCI.
As for the group wishing to do things properly, thats simple...DI IT PROPERLY, with love!
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