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Is Your Revival Centre a 'Cult?'

Adapted from Identifying a Cult by Jan Groenveld - Compiled by Troy Waller

If you tell a Revivalist that their group is a cult, they often reply with something along the lines of, "The Church of the apostles' day was also called a cult!" or "Jesus was called a cult leader too!" Some have heard RCI and Geelong Revival Centre pastors say something along these lines numerous times. It seems that some Revivalists think that to call the Revival Centres a cult is to align them with Jesus and the early Church.

On the other hand, some Revivalists take great offence and get most upset when you call their church a cult. They think that we are accusing them of all sorts of crimes, simply by calling them a cult. So why do we get such varied reactions when we label the Revival Centres groups as cults?

It all has to do with definitions. You see, the word ?cult', as with a lot of English words today, has a few different meanings. The word can be used in various ways in various contexts. There are three major definitions.What is a Cult?1. The Secular DefinitionCULT- From the Latin "cultis" which denotes all that is involved in worship, ritual, emotion, liturgy and attitude. This definition is not concerned with specific doctrines or behaviours but actually denotes what we call denominations and sects.

By this definition, all religious movements are cults. This is the definition that can be applied to the early Church and Jesus as its leader. Obviously this website is not concerned with the Revival Centres as denominations or sects.

2. Christian DefinitionCULT- Any group which deviates from Biblical, orthodox, historical Christianity. That is they deny things such as the Trinity, or Deity of Christ. Some deny Jesus' physical resurrection; His personal and physical return to earth or salvation by FAITH alone. This definition is concerned with the beliefs of specific groups and not so much with behaviour. This definition only covers those groups which defined as cultsdoctrinallyfrom the perspective of the Christian Church. This includes the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. This term does not refer to other world religions such as Islam and Hinduism. We do define the Revival Centres as a cult from this perspective as they have a different view from historical Christianity on issues such as salvation and the Trinity.

3. The Modern DefinitionCULT- Any group which has a hierarchical authoritarian leadership structure with all teaching and guidance coming from the person/persons at the top. The group will claim to be the only way to God; Nirvana; Paradise; Ultimate Reality; Full Potential, Way to Happiness etc, and will use behavioural, information, thought and emotional control techniques to gain control and keep their members. This definition is concerned primarily with thebehaviourof the group in question. It covers cults within all major world religions, along with those cults which have noobviousreligious base such as commercial, educational and psychological cults. Different cults operate in different ways. For example, some are more prone to information control than emotional control or vice versa. Some cults are less extreme than others in some areas of control but these are still cults nonetheless.This website does present the RCI and its splinter groups as this kind of cult. Let's expand on this definition and see how the Revival Centres fit or don't fit this model.

Identification Marks of a Cult

(a) The group will have an elitist view of itself in relation to others, and a unique cause. (THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT - everyone else is wrong. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING GOD'S WILL - everyone else is in apostasy. )

(b) They will promote their cause actively, and in doing so, abuse God-given personal rights and freedoms. This abuse can be SPIRITUAL, SOCIAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL.They do this through the following means,Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God.The Revival Centres believe that the Church at large (Pentecostal or otherwise) has fallen into apostasy. They openly teach that the 'truth' about salvation was re-discovered by Lloyd Longfield or Noel Hollins, (depending on which Revival Centre group you belong to) just after the World War II.

They now believe that they promote the true formula for salvation (Acts2:38as they interpret it) and those that preach salvation by faith alone are apostate. They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance regarding the Christian church while at the same time praising and exalting their own group, leader/s and work.The Revival Centres leaders will rarely come out and say that their church is the only true church. But this is very much implied and members know that to leave the Revival Centre is to lose your salvation. Much is said in talks from the platform and in official literature which denigrates and disparages other churches, even those that believe in speaking in tongues.

They will even question the salvation of those who leave one Revival Centre splinter group for another, even though they all preach the same salvation formula. The Geelong Revival Centre members are even told that other Revival Centre groups preach a different salvation message to them. This is a blatant lie, as they all teach the same salvation formula.They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members loyal to their ranks. This could be in the form of threats of dire calamity sent by God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon; being shunned by their family and friends etc.As mentioned earlier, all Revival Centre members know that to leave the Revival Centres is to lose your salvation and go to hell. Even people who leave to attend other Pentecostal Churches are said to have 'fallen away'.

The Revival Centre preoccupation with Armageddon and nuclear devastation rivals only the Jehovah's Witnesses' use of the ?imminent return of Jesus and destruction of the world' as a means to promote fear and maintain members. Some ex-members of the Revival Centres report having had terrifying nightmares of nuclear holocaust while in the group and after leaving.

The Revival Centres spread half truths and lies about those who have left even saying ex-members fall gravely ill and die. One ex-member said that he heard a pastor pronounce this upon people who had just left the church. Stories of those who fall into addictions and immoral behaviour (true or not) upon leaving the group are also lauded in front of those still in the group.

Shunning is also a common experience for those who leave. Current members are expected to discontinue relationships with ex-members. Both the RCI and RF make their position clear,MARK THEM -identify those who cause divisions and offences. The most obvious are former members who left over personal grievances. Their doctrine and practice are not what we have learned from our Bibles. Identify them - don't be sentimental about old fellowships. (Separation- The Revival Fellowship)16. Any member who has been "disciplined" by the oversight should not be "comforted" by well-meaning friends. This can encourage rebellion and could result in disaster for those concerned. Any member who has been permanently or temporarily "de-barred" from fellowship should not be visited without permission from the oversight. It is most important that their "case" should not be discussed with them or with others. If and when such action is taken, the Assembly will be officially advised of the reason for such measures.

(RCI Assembly Guidelines) Many an ex-Revival Centre member can tell you stories of having to shun those who left before them and then being shunned when they themselves left. Some are even shunned by family members. One ex-member even reported being ex-communicated herself after a former member's car was seen in her driveway by a 'spying' member of the oversight.

Members will be expected to give substantial financial support to the group. This could be compulsory tithing (which is checked); signing over all their property on entering the group; coercive methods of instilling guilt on those who have not contributed; selling magazines, flowers or other goods for the group as part of their "ministry". At the same time bible-based cults may ridicule churches that take up free-will offerings by passing collection plates and/or sell literature and tapes. They usually brag that they don't do this. This gives outsiders the intimation that they are not interested in money. The Revival Centres are staunch tithers. However in fairness to them, they do not usually expect their members to contribute over and above this tithe except in some circumstances such as a fund raising drives for a new project (such as the RCI purchase of the Freshwater Creek Camp inVictoria). They do not force their members to sell books, etc. outside of the church, but there have been some reports of heavy handed tactics over money in the CAI.

There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings. The lives of members will be totally absorbed into the group's activities. They will have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the thought control process.

In this way the Revival Centres are not as severe as groups like the Moonies or Hare Krishna. However, the RCI do expect people to attend 2 Sunday meetings, 1 weekly house meeting or mid-week meeting, weekly young people's meetings (if at an appropriate age or unmarried) and any outreaches or special events. Some Revival Centre groups have a heavier schedule again. These meetings are forced upon members and are not optional.

Unknown to most members, lower level RCI leaders even take a roll to check who is and is not in attendance. Missing members are then sometimes questioned as to why they are skipping meetings. Christmas and Easter camps are also usually compulsory unless an adequate reason for not being able to attend is given. This busy schedule leaves little time for meaningful relationships outside the group and brings members deeper into the group dynamic.There will be total control over almost all aspects of the private lives of members. This control can be direct through communal living, or constant and repetitious teaching on "how to be a true Christian" or "being obedient to leadership". Members will look to their leaders for guidance in everything they do.

The Revival Centres have a list of writtenAssembly Guidelines (i.e. RULES!) that members are expected to strictly adhere to. The preamble to the RCI list states,The following guidelines are for the protection of individuals and the assembly as a whole... ...All policies are international and are not subject to local change or variation.The list contains rules covering things such as private gatherings of members (not allowed without permission from leaders), marriage (again, permission is needed) and the repression of critical comments. The full list can be foundhere.A quick read of these rules demonstrates the invasiveness of the Revival Centres groups into the lives of their members. This behaviour by the groups undermines the individual's personal freedom and eventually their ability to make even simple decisions for themselves.

Bible-based cults may proclaim they have no clergy/laity distinction and no paid ministry class - that they are all equal.The Revival Centres members like to point the finger at the clergy/laity distinction of other churches, especially the Catholic Church, whilst claiming that their leaders are just ?normal people'. However, every single Revivalist knows that the 'oversight' are much more than ?normal members'. Members areforcedto address pastors as Pastor (e.g. Pastor Bill) and never by their first name alone and, as mentioned, have enormous power over regular members. They do pay some ministers a wage. Any dissent or questioning of the group's teachings is discouraged. Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be an emphasis on authority, unquestioning obedience and submission. This is vigilantly maintained.

Anyone who has been in the Revival Centres for even a few months knows that criticism and dissention is not tolerated in the slightest. Numerous stories have been reported by ex-members of the harsh and often emotionally damaging ways that the pastors and oversight have treated people who have crossed this line. The guidelines mentioned earlier make the Revival Centres position quite clear:

5. Members should not enter into any conversation criticising doctrines, practices or beliefs held by the assembly. Again, Pastors and Elders are ready to discuss any such problems that may arise.

10. Any case of disloyalty towards the Assembly or spreading of any discord whatsoever will be viewed as "divisionary" and dealt with severely.

24. Members must not enter into any controversy or criticisms of the beliefs or practices of other persons in other Assemblies. Any "different" teachings should be reported to the home Pastor who can communicate with other Pastors if necessary.You cannot question Revival Centre doctrine as a member.

If the Revival Centres have declared something as true then you must accept it wholeheartedly or be prepared to be 'dealt with severely'. Once the pastor or elder has discussed the matter with you then the matter is closed whether you accept their explanation or not.

Members are required to demonstrate their loyalty to the group in some way. This could be in the form of "dobbing" on fellow members (including family) under the guise of looking out for their "spiritual welfare". They may be required to deliberately lie (heavenly deception) or give up their lives by refusing some form of medical treatment.

Members of the Revival Centres are encouraged to report any violation of policy or practice by other members to the leaders immediately. This is under the guise of "caring for brothers and sisters". Husbands, wives and even children are encouraged to report on each other. We have had no reports of deliberate lying being encouraged, but I was present in a Young People's meeting where we were trained to give our public testimony. In this talk, the oversight member instructed us to leave out any undesirable information about church life such as ex-communication, people leaving to go to other churches or personal struggle with 'sin'.Attempts to leave or reveal embarrassing facts about the group may be met with threats. Some may have taken oaths of loyalty that involve their lives or have signed a "covenant" and feel threatened by this.

Refugees of the group are usually faced with confrontations by other members with coercion to get them to return to the group. Put simply, there is no good way to leave the Revival Centres. There is no valid reason to leave from the perspective of the leadership. When individuals leave they are disparaged, sometimes publicly, by leaders. Half-truths and rumours are spread amongst the members to discredit those who leave. The organisation is never at fault in minor or major parting of ways, it is always the fault of those who have left. Noel Hollins said that he parted ways with the RCI as they 'no longer wanted to follow the Lord' and Lloyd Longfield said that the 'Spirit is weak' in the Revival Fellowships. Members have reported a heavy handed approach from leaders who were attempting to deter them from leaving the group.

Conclusion

This article has not tried to manipulate the facts to make the Revival Centres fit the pattern of a destructive cult. It didn't need to. Anyone who has been involved with a Revival Centre for even a short while can testify to seeing many, if not all, of the things discussed here. Sure, not all these points will be found in every Revival Centre group. But all Revival Centre groups will have some, if not most of them, and these may vary to some degree. And pointing out these marks in other groups doesn't make the Revival Centres any less a cult. It only means there are other groups out there warranting a similar investigation. But most churches don't exhibit enough of these signs to be labelled a cult as we labelled the Revival Centres in this article.

So, is your Revival Centre a cult?

Copyright 2003. Troy Waller. Original article, 'Identifying a Cult'
Copyright 1985, 1995. Jan Groenveld.
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yes they are and you vote for them and they screw you over. Sheep!
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IT'S GOOD THAT DICKHEAD HAS MOSES AS HIS AVATAR AS HE'S AS MUCH FULL OF SHIT AS THE THE FAIRY TALE OF MOSES WAS. Not only having linking yourself to moses is an ego trips in itself but eve if moses was real I think that god was a real dick to make people wander around for 40 years whilst they all die off before their children get to the promised land. god is a dick!  Every year more and more of the truth comes out about the bible and it's bullshit. The bible is just one tribe of people pointing out that their god's dick is bigger than the other god's dick. And at the time there was not much of a chance that when you lied about your history that anyone would find out the truth. But now a days it's really had to lie and get away with it.  NO SORRY!  I am wrong! people are just as fucking stupid to believe in lies as they were back then. And they will go along to get along so they will not stand out and be counted. Since I have been told that I am not a Christian (THANK GOD FOR THAT) and that I am going to hell I don't have to be nice on this site. Unlike those of you who profess to be Christians yet act worse than the GRC religion members when it come to others.  Most of you are so fucked up about the bible and preachers that you will not see the truth if it is spelled out for you. That makes you lot fucking sheep and you deserve what is going to happen to you by the very powerful people who control you.  Or you can WAKE THE XXX UP!!!
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From http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/4/18/voy2.htm

An exodus which was merely a myth

On the site of an ancient fortress, in northern Sinai, archaeologists of the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) has announced that it had found some pumice stones, evidence of the terrible disaster and the first known tsunami in history. The volcanic rocks projected in the Sinai during the eruption, 3500 years ago, the volcano Cycladic of Thera, confirm stories Pharaohs.

The cataclysm of Thera, the current Santorini in the Aegean Sea, has been presented through innumerable writings as having preceded or caused the ten plagues of Egypt explained, or a punishment reserved for Levites revolted against Moses. "This discovery is not provided proof of the exodus, archaeology does not confirm this, and it is a myth," said Zahi Hawas, secretary general of the CSA. That the explosion of the volcano occurred, resulting in the decline of the Minoan civilization, Crete. A massive tidal wave would have resulted in the death of 35000 people on the coast south of the Mediterranean and in ashes villages in Egypt, Palestine and the Arabian peninsula. For Zahi Hawas, "if the exodus has occurred, what we do not know, it can not be at this time, but two centuries later, under Ramses II. However, the presence of ash and volcanic rocks on the site of the ancient fortress of Tharo to Tell Hebwa, confirms, in his view, ancient inscriptions referring to the expulsion of the Hyksos, enemies of the Egyptians. Texts suggest, in fact , natural disasters occurred during the era of the Hyksos, a military caste came from the east, and their exodus before the start of the New Kingdom, carried out shortly by the eruption of the Thera volcano. For example, several stories relating to this war show up on a stele of the temple of Karnak S�ti I do, in a description of the route of Horus in a text under Thoutmotsis III or on a papyrus on the war waged by King Ahmos.

The skeletons hyksos

The team also discovered in the Sinai desert the ruins of a fort with four rectangular towers, which date from the eighteenth pharaonic dynasty. This fortress is now considered the oldest structure on the military line of defense, also known as Route Horus. But there was not the slightest proof of the story of the Old Testament, the story of Moses and the Jews, and their exodus from Egypt and their wandering in the wilderness. Two female skeletons, pottery and jewelry were recovered. Those remains were members of the civilization hyksos, an enemy of the people of the ancient Egyptians.

The researchers argue that this discovery is particularly interesting because of the volcanic rocks found on the site of the excavations. They believe that these are traces left by the eruption of Santorini volcano, more than 15 centuries before Christ. Santorini is a small archipelago of volcanic islands in the Aegean Sea, south-east of mainland Greece. This volcano would then have killed more than 35000 people and wiped out the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete.

The intersection of war

Showing the foundations of the fort of the XVIIIth dynasty, the oldest ever found in this line of defense, known as the road of Horus, Mohamad Abdel-Maqsoud, the leader of excavations and the director of the central administration of Egyptian antiquities, said that it is testimony to the fierceness of the fighting. "It is here that was established the first large lock of the empire against the conquerors from the east, as the Hyksos," he says, whereas today the Suez Canal is only 5 km. But the basis for subsequent attacks in the Pharaonic empire in the direction of Palestine, with the establishment of a chain composed of a dozen strongholds until what is now known as the Gaza Strip.

This story may have inspired the biblical story of the exodus, according to some scholars. "They can say what they want, I detailed, did not hesitate to say Hawas. I am an archaeologist and my job is to tell the truth. If the truth disturbed, it's not my problem. " The story of the exodus is celebrated as a crucial moment in the creation of the Jewish people. According to the Old Testament, Moses was the son of a Jewish slave who had abandoned on the Nile in a wicker basket to protect the Pharaoh's persecution. Rescued from the waters by the Pharaoh's daughter and raised in the court, he will discover the secret of its origins and, with God's help, will free his people. But archaeologists working in the region have never managed to substantiate the biblical narrative, as to the presence of the Jews in Egypt, there is only one archaeological discovery may confirm it. Many books have been written on the subject, but the debate is for the most part remained quiet in order not to offend believers.

"Without historical evidence, we are forced to say that some things are never arrived: it is the job of an archaeologist," Hawas. The site is a two-hour drive from Cairo, after the bridge Mubarak, in the northern Sinai, in a region called East Qantara. For nearly a decade, archaeologists returning Egyptian soil with the help of surrounding towns daily to try to unearth remnants of the past. This desolate landscape, which is the monotony broken only by a few electrical towers, has generated enthusiasm because it confirms stories told in hieroglyphics or going back to antiquity. The archaeological remains dating in fact more or less at the time, according to the Bible, the Jews fled Egypt and then spent forty years wandering in the wilderness in search of the Promised Land. "The exodus is a myth," said Hawas front of a wall built during the period known as the New Kingdom.

 
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Canuck,

My but it just keeps getting better with you, doesn't it? Your latest ill-informed rant begs the obvious question: does mummy know that you're using your crayons on the 'puter? ;)

But seriously friend, if at some point you decide to join the site and adopt an avatar all of your own, I hope that you'll consider the following: http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00043/DunceCap_43426a.JPG

In closing, try to understand that all that your childish and antisocial carrying-on demonstrates is a marked lack of maturity, conventional social graces, and self-confidence.

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They are taxing the air that you breath

The Beatles - Taxman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maz9ddxEQnM


TAX IT ALL AND PASS IT ONTO THE LITTLE GUY
SUCKERS!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15269033

Just like any cult the government need money and they will find any fucking excuse they can get away with to tax their followers. 
It's going to happen around the world because most people are fucking sheeple
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Robert Baer apparently doesn't grasp is that a war - ANY war - is very much on the agenda of some of those in the bowels of power in both DC and Tel Aviv.smiley7

The Likud party in Israel wants the US to "neutralize" the alleged existential threat they believe Iran poses to them (with Americans getting killed and maimed for life, of course, not the Israelis). The US government is in an absolute mess economically, and has always managed to get out of such messes through war.

However, this time, a war against Iran may well be a war the US will be unable to win. Our military troop strength is already stressed to the max; we no longer have the manufacturing strength domestically with which to quickly replace critical material infrastructure; and with a 14 trillion dollar Federal debt, what lender in their collective right mind would loan us one cent?!?

And here's the "wild card" factor no one wants to talk about: Russia's potential response to such an attack. Russia has been, in the last decade, "sitting it out" with regard to the US's pre-emptive wars against Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen. One has to wonder, however, what this nuclear-armed country will do if the US and/or Israel decide to attack Iran. I wouldn't bet against a military response on the side of Iran, should the US and Israel be so foolish as to attack it.

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Robert Baer apparently doesn't grasp is that a war - ANY war - is very much on the agenda of some of those in the bowels of power in both DC and Tel Aviv.smiley7

And here's the "wild card" factor no one wants to talk about: Russia's potential response to such an attack. Russia has been, in the last decade, "sitting it out" with regard to the US's pre-emptive wars against Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen. One has to wonder, however, what this nuclear-armed country will do if the US and/or Israel decide to attack Iran. I wouldn't bet against a military response on the side of Iran, should the US and Israel be so foolish as to attack it.


Well, according to Revival.....GRC teachings, Russia will come into the situation with the 'Great Bear' blood dripping off its fangs devouring all the British Israel nations as it rampages across the globe.
The 'foreign armies' will surround Jerusalem and the End will come...............

If you are Saved, what do you care if the End comes or not.

Revivalists live their lives in fear.

Brainwashed to the n'th degree.

Que sera sera.
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Well, according to Revival.....GRC teachings, Russia will come into the situation with the 'Great Bear' blood dripping off its fangs devouring all the British Israel nations as it rampages across the globe.


And don't forget to mention Noel Hollns's revelation at a prayer and fast meeting some years ago, that a tenth (a tithe offering) of Israel will be taken into captivity as punishment  and for payment of their sins. smiley26

I never did get a handle on what the hell he was on about. Really. 
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Canuck,

Just like any cult the government need money and they will find any f***ing excuse they can get away with to tax their followers. First, I appreciate that English comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, but by definition governments aren't cults, they're governments. Second, you do understand, I trust, that taxes are principally used to fund those services that we expect our governments to provide: health care, defence, roads and infrastructure, et cetera.
 
It's going to happen around the world because most people are f***ing sheeple. If your continuing example is any sort of indication, then quite a few of those people are just plain stupid as well. Harmless but stupid ;P

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I read the Bible which was written long ago. It speaks about how nobody will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. It also says whatever you do, do not take the mark. I am thinking that if the bible is correct about this so called mark, it is about time for you people to start repenting. It's not to late.

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The new world order will have you doing this if you let them
but don't worry about that god will soon return
and if he's late I'm sure he will still look after your needs suckers
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And you are the followers if you believe them.  But don't worry your government will save you if your god doesn't
suckers

Qaddafi

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MONEY
NOEL HAS A LOT OF IT
But do you know what money is and where it comes from? Thought not

Banking - the Greatest Scam on Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9IH-XKQpOI

You see your government is just like Noel or the Pope and most religions....no all religions
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!! They just want you thinking that it is.
But with all the money that people like you give each week they could feed and shelter everyone THAT'S IS EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD
But take a few minutes and learn about money and you will know that your government is a cult and the bankers are the real cult leaders because the money goes to them and they buy off your cult leaders
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Girl with digestive disease denied Communion


Here is a great story about a little girl that god just never got around to healing. Stupid god
So the pope will not except here in the cult unless she goes through some sort of ritual that will harm her. Stupid pope.
But for those of you who took the body and blood of christ in the grc religion you will have to think about all the times that you were doing it wrong. You should have made sure that you had fermented  grapes and at least some wheat in the body sorry wafer. But it would all just go away if god did his fing job and healed the little girl. stupid god!
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All,

Well, it didn't take long :) For those who might be mildly interested in 'Heresy 101', take a moment to briefly review the ex-GRC Facebook page. There you will find the same old "Apostle's Doctrine" (i.e. Acts 2:38 misinterpreted along Revivalist lines) being promoted by people who clearly don't know better.

Go figure ;P

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 How do I find this particular facebook page ??? what name is it known by ???

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And they clearly sail along in their 'doctrinal' delusion, in or out of Revival.

Very sad indeed.
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 Please now Dec2014 and almost Christmas.  RCI has changed.  Now it my be because of all the comments here or by the power of God. Who cares all I can say is before you turn away have a look.  God does bless and he will work in your life if we let him.
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How has RCI changed?

A prompt glance at their web site indicates to me, they still clearly sail along in their 'doctrinal' delusion.

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 My Ex was part of the GRC I'm not sure if she will go back to it but her parents are still involved she is carrying my child yet her parents have brainwashed her and she isn't the same girl I fell in love with she seems so different. Her parents and controlling the whole situation to do with my child and she isn't allowed to tell me the sex or the send me scan photos she managed to send me some but her parents found out and got very mad at her. My ex mental state was never normal and being with her was very very hard but her parents would be abusive towards her and i use to watch her break down. They managed to control her into coming back to Australia taking my unborn child with her. Now I sit here in pain a broken man who wants to do everything to protect my child from this and not let them become messed up like their mother or grandparents worst of all they don't care her parents rang me and made out that she wanted to come back and paid for her own ticket yet that was lies as they paid for it as my ex told me that! Thought God said thy shall not lie? It's a joke that now I have to go through this hard battle to get my child back home with a loving family.

 
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Check out our facebook page for ex-Revivalists at

https://www.facebook.com/groups/341261709208/
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Hola, Pedro.

I did, and it seems to have even less activity than this place smiley9

Blessings, M'man.

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 "I did, and it seems to have even less activity than this place "

Publicly, yes I guess so. It's just another avenue, and now and then I chat with someone who wanders over and would rather private message a conversation then go public, as I'm sure you do from here. Certainly not as much fun, or effective as the good old public chats of yesteryear here, but I think they heyday of public forum is past us with so many other social chat options available online nowadays.

I hope the forum remains a googlable fountain of information for those that need it.

Cheers!
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The facebook page has now become closed to members only due to some harassment from Revival church members. It has recently starting getting active. People are sharing their stories of their transition to life outside of the Revival churches. Join in on the convo that is having 'some' trouble staying out of theological arguments :P

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G'day, Pete.

"Quite obnoxious, yes."

Hmmm ...

Blessings,

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 Sorry Kynen.
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Pete,

Given you're apparently in the mood for making apologies, perhaps you should sling one my way, not his.

Blessings, bloke.

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 By way of apology I followed up my statement by saying you can be a little obnoxious... due to you not being without obnoxiousivity (sic).

Meredith is about to copy and paste your 'error' into the thread. :P
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Hi Ian,

Getting a bit sensitive in your old age?

Ha ha, welcome to the club.

God bless.

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Ive just come across this thread and forum and was completely amazed. 
I left Revival Fellowship only four years ago after seeing the cracks in the system. 

I had a strong circle of friends in the church and was connected through family. I had no friends that were not in the church and those that were made out of the church, I was encouraged to keep them as acquaintances. Pastors threw around sayings like the one about not be yoked to unbelievers.

I met a group of people through the gym and all this changed. My views were challenged and I realised that I had been living in a bubble. A bubble that was deliberately made so that I would never mistrust the church. By staying friends with only "believers" I was never able to question myself or realise that things were not as they seemed . 

I had a friend who's mother was dying of MS. A devout christian who's life was slowly falling away from her. I was told by the pastors wife that she just needed to pray more and that her faith was the reason she was suffering.  

I had another friend whos mother was told she couldnt fellowship anymore because she was too fat. Another friend had been told to stay with a partner who was abusive physically and another had a father who was sexually abusing her, she was told she was to blame.

I decided I had to leave as my faith was no longer in line with this church. I braced myself and told my husband I didn't believe any more. Thankfully he felt the same and hadnt had the courage to tell me. We left together.

That morning I had morning tea with a friend of mine, we had so much in common. Both had common interests, both had sons the same age and both of us had been friends for years and very close.
When I told her I was leaving she told me that we no longer had anything in common, even though we had just seen each other. 
This pattern continued with everyone I knew, including family. 
My Mother in law told me I was going to burn in hell whilst I was holding my 6 year old child. This was quite frightening for her, she also mourned the loss of her best friend who could no longer play with her.

If this isnt cult like behaviour I dont know what is!


Over time I had counselling and flourished. Ive made many more friends and my life is much better. I am blessed daily in many areas of my life unlike the fear tactics they pull about my life being seven times worse.



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