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Date Posted:01/01/2011 9:12 PMCopy HTML

My wife is a member of the Revival Fellowship in Gosford NSW.

Can anyone help me specifically or in general on what arrangements are made re tithing or other donations to the church.  My wife has consistently said that it has cost her nothing so far (she has been a member for 15 months now).  I believe her.  She has her own private credit union account which gets a residual of her earnings, but MOST of them either go into the joint account or the mortgage.

I know nothing about the administration of this, and that's what I'd like someone to tell me.  But I have heard that they don't start to ask for money until the member is well and truly hooked on the dogma.  My wife certainly IS at the moment.  She's at an irrational obsessive stage.  She was at Xmas camp last week and said "I wish it was camp 52 weeks a year - I love it here and never want to leave".

She's right at the stage now where she'd sign a direct debit form and give them a carte blanche on her income - so how is this exactly arranged by the church (specifically Revival Fellowship)?

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Re:How is tithing administered (Revival Fellowship)

Date Posted:02/01/2011 3:34 AMCopy HTML

G'day Bustopher,

Its fair for you to have concerns generally, but monetary losses is of very little importance in the grand scheme of things.  I was a RF member from '83 til about 10 years ago in another state.  They may have many faults but not generally money grabbing.  As far as I know, they only pass a bag around for collections they call 'tithes and offerings'.  Members are not monitored to see that they pay or not.  But they subtley suggest that payiong a tithe (tenth of income) to "the Lord" is appropriate.  Its kind of a subtle thing they lay on the conscience of members, but its up to them if/how much they actually pay.

Of much greater concern is the isolation that your wife may experience, being part of an insular sect such as the RF.  They are mind-conditioned to believe that their way of seeing is THE way and that the only place of safety is within the fellowship.  This itself is a most destructive and unhealthy mindset.  So best of wishes for you in dealing with this.  I would suggest that trying to directly intervene and stop her from going is counter-productive.  Be a good husband and be as REAL and OPEN as possible.  Do your utmost to keep communication with your wife open.  Hopefully, she will start to see the cracks in the nonsense they teach, and realise that you have been a real and supportive partner, despite her being drawn into that cult.  Wish ya well!

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Re:How is tithing administered (Revival Fellowship)

Date Posted:02/01/2011 5:29 AMCopy HTML

Hi there, it's Pete.

They won't ask for money directly, as Dogmafree said, but they'll start guilting members into it 'here and there a little'. People will give testimonies about 'testing' god with cheerful giving so as to be rewarded ten-fold, and crap like that. They don't feel like it's forcing their members' hands, and they're very subtle with it so they don't scare anyone off.

Pastors generally drive very nice cars.

The following website is fairly comprehensive in all matters 'tithing' and the New Testament.

http://www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html
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Re:How is tithing administered (Revival Fellowship)

Date Posted:02/01/2011 8:42 AMCopy HTML

I just think that the money issue is not worth making much of an issue about.  Yes there is a subtle coersion to contribute to the coffers, but noones hand is forced.  I don't even see any real evidence of intended fleecing of people.  Pastors I have known have had very modest personal living standards.  The Pastor at Perth for many years lived in Balga, (one of the lowliest areas).  Another Pastor was a M/D of a leading international company on a high salary, which he gave up to live on a modest income and be full time pastor.  Really, there was no agenda of the assembly to get rich at members' expense. 

But any group with regular activities will have costs to cover the facilities etc, so I guess most members will be contributing to some extent.  Thing is, there seems to be this assertion that the group has a sinister agenda to fleece members.  I don't think this is at all true.  Perhaps in some isolated cases, but not that I've seen.  Generally, members and pastors etc mean well.  They are all pretty deluded in believing the rubbish they do, but they are not overtly trying to do anything sinister.

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Re:How is tithing administered (Revival Fellowship)

Date Posted:02/01/2011 8:47 AMCopy HTML

Thanks moth, I’m doing a critique on the statement of belief of the ‘Assembly of Yahweh’ http://assembliesofyahweh.com/sod.htm#16

for a friend such who’s wife is severely involved.  

She has really gone off the deep end. They have made her so full of guilt for being married to him she is imagining all sorts of weird things.

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Re:How is tithing administered (Revival Fellowship)

Date Posted:02/01/2011 10:05 AMCopy HTML

Ten percent IS expected, and that's a huge chunk out of anyone's paycheck. Heck, we were told that was the minimum amount due 'before' the offering, and I often felt guilty and condemned because of my lack of faith to cough up the 10%, especially when people boasted about it during their testimonies.

We were often reminded about Ananias and Saphira, and what happened to them for holding back (in the 'New' Testament).

We weren't guilted as much as we were when in an AOG church - Sheesh - but it was there, and regularly.

I can't believe I did give up to $50 dollars a week at times. Blind stupid faith, huh?
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Re:How is tithing administered (Revival Fellowship)

Date Posted:18/04/2011 10:10 PMCopy HTML

 My family member (gosford ) has to give a 6th of his income. I'm unsure whether this is calculable before or after tax
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