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Conch once asked about basically raiding if we had enough. There was mention on somewhere else on the site about someone being a thug 4 Hollins.The primary group would be the intellectually prepared Ex-GRC members who would gain control of the microphone, podium, have some people prepared to give testimonial re the bullshit the GRC puts you through, and some stuff how your life can be pretty good as well as a mixture of testimonials of success from both religious and non-religious perspectives.The primary group would be backed up by those prepared to physically defend them from Hollins Thugs.We need a legal observer who is not to get involved physically, their job is to document events so when the shit goes down, the dirt is far more on Hollins crew than us.Personal Info about me:Never been a member of GRC

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What you are doing is inciting others to commit a criminal offence. I don't doubt  your enthusiasm but I would caution anyone from engaging in such activities.

The last thing anyone wants is seeing the GRC with a legal avenue to prosecute them

Below is a section from the Summary Offences Act

I'm not trying to scare anyone but I think any one contemplating such action should be fully aware of the potential consequences.

A better solution would be to live well, get on with our lives.

Try this one from the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.

People should be careful about what they say here.

Note: "engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or

Good advice

The GRC has good lawyers

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Hmmmmm, intersting!Sounds to me like we're almost ALL guilty, one way or another.The RCI and RF I have known regularly practiced bashing of folk & organisations of other persuations.This forum is chokkas full of contempt, revulsion and severe ridicule of the revvers.So, does it matter legally, if the contemt is justified?Dog.

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This section from the act should clear it up

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Try this one from the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.People should be careful about what they say here.8. Religious vilification unlawful(1) A person must not, on the ground of the religiousbelief or activity of another person or class ofpersons, engage in conduct that incites hatredagainst, serious contempt for, or revulsion orsevere ridicule of, that other person or class ofpersons.Note:"engage in conduct"includes use of the internet ore-mail to

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From reading this lawful remark, it also points the finger at places like the GRC making judgement on other people and religions so if this is the case it shows the GRC in contempt.

By the way the GRC does not classify itself as a RELIGION

There may be mention of the legal rights of religious groups, but more so the rights of individuals and their right of religious freedom

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 http://www.humanrights.gov.au/word/human_rights/religion/article_18_religious_freedom.doc

Permissible limitations on religions

I believe that people are at their best and at their worst in Religion. We need to recognise that Religious faith is one of the most potent agents for good and for evil in the lives of people. This is clear particularly in the world of cults and New Religious Movements. Not all of them by any means are evil, but the capacity they have for inflicting pain and havoc in people's lives is enormous.155

International law recognises that religion or belief may only be subject to such limitations as are prescribed by law and ?are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others' (ICCPR article 18.3 and Religion Declaration article 1.3).fficeffice" />

The Special Rapporteur on Religion and Belief noted that cult groups in Australia have relative freedom to practise their religion, subject only to the general law protecting the rights and well-being of others.

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In this Report Dr David Millikan made submissions about the treatment of people in these religions (quite interesting reading)  If anyone feels that they need to contact someone regarding the cult GRC and affiliates, then Dr Millikan is the person to contact.   Take the time to read this article and know where you stand.

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Are YOU trying to intimidate and frighten people here?

I don't believe entering the hall at Thompsons Rd would help any of the members there see the errors of that group and would be tantamount to trespassing according to the law. 

Are you saying that cult leaders who destroy people's lives should be defended? Are you saying any criticism of such a person is wrong, according to law? After all Noel Hollins has been on National tv as a dangerous cult leader.

What does the law say about religious groups who encourage their members to beat their children until they're black and blue? They use the verse from Proverbs - the blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil - the blueness being the bruise. Now many of the people here have had their personal lives ripped apart because of the teachings of certain men who call themselves apostles of Jesus.

I'm sure there are a number of audio cassettes around the place. Noel Hollins has been known to say HE hates certain people with a perfect hatred. He likes to use the verses that say unless you hate brother, sister, father or mother you can't be his disciple. He twists them to mean if any member of your family can't stand the abuse that's been dished out to them for years and leave the GRC the rest of the family that remains in the GRC is encoutraged to hate them - to shun them - they are no longer welcome at any family gatherings - even funerals.

Maybe you should examine the teaching in the GRC . Anti-semitism, racism and hatred of other churches is rampant. Women must unconditionally obey their husbands (providing they are members of the GRC) in everything. If one spouse leaves the group the pressure is put on the other to separate from them.

You're SO brave hiding behind your cloak of anonymity .

Don't shoot the Messenger Brett. I'm merely stating the law as its stands.

 I didn't make it. I was only responding to a question posed on the forum that had had the real consequence of seeing good people get into trouble for well intentioned acts. 

If that is a problem fella then build a bridge and get over it. I used to look up to you but your starting to get on my nerves with all your santimonious clap trap.

You're almost as full of it as the rest of the god botherers.

The fact is the law is the law so deal with it toss bag. 

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Don't shoot the Messenger Brett. I'm merely stating the law as its stands.I didn't make it. I was only responding to a question posed on the forum that had had the real consequence of seeing good people get into troublefor well intentioned acts.If that is a problem fella then build a bridge and get overit. I used to look up to you but your startingto get on my nerveswith all your santimonious clap trap.You're almost as full of it as the restof the god botherers.Thefact is the law is thelaw so dealwith it toss bag.

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Reply to : Judge Judy [Anonymous]Don't shoot the Messenger Brett. I'm merely stating the law as its stands.I didn't make it. I was only responding to a question posed on the forum that had had the real consequence of seeing good people get into troublefor well intentioned acts.If that is a problem fella then build a bridge and get overit. I used to look up to you but your startingto get on my nerveswith all your santimonious clap trap.You're almost as full of it as the restof the god botherers.Thefact is the law is thelaw so dealwith it toss bag.Get over it Miller.

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Come on guys, this is just playing into the hands of the culties. infighting and bickering doesn't  achive anything. Both have a good point of view. (Maybe "Trolls" amongst us too)

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Judge judy
If Noel were to get his lawyers to initiate legal action against posters on this forum, that would be great!!
It would give an opportunity for scores of people, if not hundreds, to at last publicly and openly testify about the goings on in the GRC.
Just think about it.
There are audio tapes in the hands of ex members with Noel raving on about things that definitely
 would be defined as "inciting hatred" towards many people and organisations.
Not to mention the numerous individuals who would testify to hateful and inciting statements that Noel personally made to them.
Come to think of it , I can remember very clearly a special combined Wednesday night meeting, where Noel was preaching about the nature of children and how parents should bring them up.
I clearly remember him shouting how children are "odious little monsters" and how that is how all parents should view their own children. He said that parents should beat the self will out of the little monsters and "break their will".
Of course numerous parents followed that "godly" instruction and beat and battered their kids into "submission".
Tapes of talks by Noel of that nature being heard in a court of law would be good for a judge to hear, wouldn't they?
Not to mention tapes where we would be able to hear Noel make anti Jewish statements, racist statements, and also hear him publicly raving about how bad and evil the laws of our land are.
 Noel has told parents to throw their children out of their houses, caused husbands and wives to split up.
So go for it Noel!
Take us all to court.
Bring it all out into full public scrutiny.
Have your day in court so what you've been doing for decades will be put under the microscope and thoughourly examined.
Being abusive, insulting, hateful, bitter, unpleasant and downright obnoxious is not just a problem that cult leaders and their followers have, it's a problem that atheists can have as well, and also ex GRC members too.

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Ex drug addicts don't make very good witnesses in court.

The question of how ex are they is always there

Reply to : Anonymous     I am sure that there would be a great number of credible witnesses and this is what has prevented Noel from taking any action in the past and why there will be deafening silence in the future.

Cheers,

Glad.

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Ex drug addicts don't make very good witnesses in court.The question of how ex are they is always there

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you'd know a fair  bit about drugs and horticulture wouldn't you Glad.

You'd be another fine character witness. I'm told you were seen coming out of the house.

How's your husband going?

Reply to : Anonymous  I don't suppose that you realise that this is the best period on the Forum for months and your contributions have been the catalyst needed to get things going. Well done.

My family are all well, thankyou for enquiring. I hope that yours are in good health too. 

Life eh!!!!!!!! You can't say that it is dull. The trouble with it is, unless you were there, the information is always tainted, usually by people bearing a grudge.

Moth isn't exGRC, but he is a great guy, willing to give advice and who tries to help those who are stuck in / or just leaving any  fundamentalist, mind controlling, elitist, thought reforming, man based CULT such as Noel's. 

People usually change and grow as individuals as the YEARS pass, but you seem to be stuck in some way.

I wish you well and hope that the path that you have chosen for your life's journey is not strewn with to many rocks, hills and potholes.

Cheers,

Glad

you'd know a fair bit about drugs and horticulture wouldn't you Glad.You'd be another fine character witness. I'm told you were seen coming out of the house.How's your husband going?

Glad you say that things are never clear unless you were there. OK hers your chance to clear things up.

do you deny that your spouse is a convicted drug trafficker or not

Was he or was he not arrested for growing a large dop crop.

Did he go to jail

come on set things straight.

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Reply to : AnonymousGee Anon, way to go !!!!!! Let me ask you a question here. Is it true that you have been investigated for having kiddie porn and have a penchant for little children?Maybe you would like to clear this up!It is amazing how crazy things get when the Anon's are let loose.Cheers,GladGlad you say that things are never clear unless you were there. OK hers your chance to clear things up.do you deny that your spouse is a convicted drug trafficker or notWas he or was he not arrested for growing a large dop crop.Did he go to jailcome on set things straight.

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Reply to : Anonymous  Wow, thanks for that piece of information. It is pretty sad really. Usually people grow, mature and become better human beings as different life experiences mold and shape them. 

Not this guy though. Trapped in an abusive cultish group, with a nature that seems to fit in well with Hollins abusive doctrines.

So sad, so many people affected in so many tragic ways by his (Hollins) twisted ministry.

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : Glad-to be out That Anon is known as a wife basher also,Glad.

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Lets consider this.

You say that I am a pedophile and wife basher yet you have no idea who I am. So Yeah right. you are spot on the money. Dream on honey

If you think you know who I am then name me.

I on the other hand know who you are (AW) and can produce a Geelong addy article about your situation i.e I can prove what I say

So come on baby put up or shut up

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Reply to : AnonymousWow, thanks for that piece of information. It is pretty sad really. Usually people grow, mature and become better human beings as different life experiences mold and shape them.Not this guy though. Trapped in an abusive cultish group, with a nature that seems to fit in well with Hollins abusive doctrines.So sad, so many people affected in so many tragic ways by his (Hollins) twisted ministry.Cheers,GladReply to : Glad-to be out That Anon is known as a wife basher also,Glad.

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I do not understand why a person like Anon has to put down people like that, if he isn't still tied up with the "Cult". This must be the product that is produced during their (cult) rein of abuse over the years and even though some have escaped that prison, they still carry that root bitterness within themselves. We all do the wrong things sometime in our lives and must bear the consequences for our actions. Human frailty exists in each and every one of us, but this is where it should end. This is what the death and resurrection of Christ was all for. He paid a great price so that we are delivered from the condemnation of our fallen nature. The heinous crime is that the actions and accusations of those that should know better, are doing it the name of Jesus.   

Reply to : Anonymous  Anon, I have no intention of running with you on this. My intention here is to expose the GRC for the twisted place that it is.

Usually I don't reply to Anon's at all. You should realise that life moves on.

Why do you think that you are the way you are? Angry, bitter, hurt, confused, vengeful.

You seem hellbent on preventing meaningful dialogue from happening on the Forum and regardless of what you choose to do, this is the last time that I will acknowledge you because the work of exposing Hollins and helping the poor buggars in the GRC is far too important to be sidetracked by you.

Cheers,

AW Glad

s consider this.You say that I am a pedophile and wife basher yet you have no idea whoI am. So Yeah right. you are spot on the money. Dream on honeyIf you think you know who I am then name me.I on the other hand know who you are (AW) and can produce a Geelong addy article about your situation i.e I can prove what I saySo come on baby put up or shut up

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Lets consider this.You say that I am a pedophile and wife basher yet you have no idea whoI am. So Yeah right. you are spot on the money. Dream on honeyIf you think you know who I am then name me.I on the other hand know who you are (AW) and can produce a Geelong addy article about your situation i.e I can prove what I saySo come on baby put up or shut up

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Reply to : Morning Sunshine  Hi MS, things have certainly become interesting on the ol' Forum. With personal insults there is always a "care factor" involved. I think on this matter mine is zero.

Life is far too short to worry about things in the distant past. The only thing that matters is, as I have said before, exposing Hollins and his cronies for what they are. 

As we all know, Hollins group if you are in it, stunts personal development and if you have left and haven't worked your way through the issues and hang-ups you walked out of the GRC with, cripples you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I firmly believe that everyone who contributes on the Forum, either helps people to develop and grow, or exposes the deepseated hurt that has been inflicted by the GRC.

Good to hear from you MS. Hope the weather is better where you are, bit cold here.

Cheers,

Glad

Hi Glad,You are takin

Who says I am current or ex GRC.

You people jump to conclusions too quickly.

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Who says I am current or ex GRC.You people jump to conclusions too quickly.

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Reply to : Anonymous  The committment to make a difference is 100% though. It doesn't matter how long it takes, every person who reads this forum retains some of whats said in their memory. Even if they don't agree, they have still read something other than GRC stuff. Its like water running over a rock, it takes years, but it does have an affect.

From personal experience...In the eyes of those currently attending, you would simply be 'out of order' ... everything else, right or wrong, truth or lie, would be irrelevant.There are basically three elements in any face-to-face communication:. words. tone of voice and. body language.These three elements account differently for the meaning of the message:- Words account for 7%- Tone of voice accounts for 38% and- Body language accounts for 55% of the message.To the GRC there seeing you, you're body language just being there will betray your goal/intent.To the GRC there hearing you, your tone of voice, will probably come off less than loving.To the GRC there listening to you, you're words will find no soil.Good luck...

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Conch once asked about basically raiding if we had enough. There was mention on somewhere else on the site about someone being a thug 4 Hollins.The primary group would be the intellectually prepared Ex-GRC members who would gain control of the microphone, podium, have some people prepared to give testimonial re the bullshit the GRC puts you through, and some stuff how your life can be pretty good as well as a mixture of testimonials of success from both religious and non-religious perspectives.The primary group would be backed up by those prepared to physically defend them from Hollins Thugs.We need a legal observer who is not to get involved physically, their job is to document events so when the shit goes down, the dirt is far more on Hollins crew than us.

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Conch your clarification is noted.  I have a certain way of looking at things that comes into play when things are in fact ambiguous but I fill in the gaps without realising it to mean someting

In regards to the legal "clarification", this confuses things.

My proposed strategy is about challenging Noels Legitimacy.  Not Christianity (ie a religeon).  Motive is critical to almost any offence.  Guilty act, Guilty mind.  Both must be proven to be guilty of the offence.

He bags members and ex-members, we would just be just bagging Noel and saying to the congregation they dont have to put up with it.

One Legal reality that Judge Judy does not even try to warn us off, that incidentally should give us all pause for caution, is the matter of the interpretation of the law is up to the presiding member of the judiciary and GRC has VERY good lawyers.

Personally I am now in favour of regular demonstrations outside their church, with leaflets offered to those that enter.  Signs advertising this website address and any face to face support groups.  Obviously Conch is more experienced let alone level headed than me.

The legal position may well be shakey as regards to a "raid", but a demonstration that does not actually block access to the site is pretty safe legally.

Now in regards to the minor flame wars that have happened, I have very very sorry for my part in this.  I am aware that Noel & his spies frequent this site.  I think it is important to remember this sure, but fundamentally assess the idea, rather than attack the person as a potential spy.

Must go now.  Peace to all except you know whooooo!

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Reply to : KommissarConch once asked about basically raiding if we had enough. There was mention on somewhere else on the site about someone being a thug 4 Hollins.The primary group would be the intellectually prepared Ex-GRC members who would gain control of the microphone, podium, have some people prepared to give testimonial re the bullshit the GRC puts you through, and some stuff how your life can be pretty good as well as a mixture of testimonials of success from both religious and non-religious perspectives.The primary group would be backed up by those prepared to physically defend them from Hollins Thugs.We need a legal observer who is not to get involved physically, their job is to document events so when the shit goes down, the dirt is far more on Hollins crew than us.

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Reply to : KommissarConch once asked about basically raiding if we had enough. There was mention on somewhere else on the site about someone being a thug 4 Hollins.The primary group would be the intellectually prepared Ex-GRC members who would gain control of the microphone, podium, have some people prepared to give testimonial re the bullshit the GRC puts you through, and some stuff how your life can be pretty good as well as a mixture of testimonials of success from both religious and non-religious perspectives.The primary group would be backed up by those prepared to physically defend them from Hollins Thugs.We need a legal observer who is not to get involved physically, their job is to document events so when the shit goes down, the dirt is far more on Hollins crew than us.

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Lemons do you have a prison nickname like the freak or vinegar tits. I think we should hold a contest to find one for you. I'll start

Fatguts

Thunder thighs

Slag guts

The child abandoner

The Gimp

She who lived in her sisterinlaws shadow for all those years

The Swamp thing

No Crying, loving or leaving now honey child. Stay the course and fight back

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Sorry, peoples for assuming these last two attacks were on Glad.Although I don't know Lemons as well what I said still holds, particularly about the dung beetles still holds.Predictably sad that the most vitriolic, personal, childish and pathetic attacks are particularly directed at stronger women. Freudians have a field day with misogynysts.... abandonment issues... deficient mothers... disfunctional families... lost souls unloved and insecure clutching....

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Reply to : OTR and The Conch   There is only one reason why they post personal insults etc., to interupt the flow of dialogue on the Forum.

Unfortunately it works.

Cheers,

Glad

Conchie, you are a gem!!

Reply to : The ConchSorry, peoples for assuming these last two attacks were on Glad.Although I don't know Lemons as well what I said still holds, particularly about the dung beetles still holds.Predictably sad that the most vitriolic, personal, childish and pathetic attacks are particularly directed at stronger women. Freudians have a field day with misogynysts.... abandonment issues... deficient mothers... disfunctional families... lost souls unloved and insecure clutching....Why can't peoplewrite more constructive postings on this forum, instead of just putting those down that are trying?

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Reply to : OTR and The Conch There is only one reason why they post personal insults etc., to interupt the flow of dialogue on the Forum. ......................        and     ......................

Don't even bother responding Glad, they are a mile below you in the holy order of things... not worth even your contempt.... they are behaving like dung beetles..........................

To the contrary , I know it shows them up for just what they are .  It proves our point as to what vomit exudes from the walls of the GRC Pty. Ltd. which is generated by Noel Hollins preaching ... ie.   that everyone else is scum  - only they are right ......  that they  are the  " Centre of the World " !

As much as we don't like the vial evil they post , we know them by their works and can see passed  ......  " the name- calling " .  The more they say , the deeper they bury themselves . 

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How about the beached whale, based on when I saw her last sunbaking at Barwon Heads. She reminded me of an old friend who once swallowed me whole. Come to think of it I reckon she could swallow just about anything whole, Afterall she seems to have swallowed her own publicity. If you belive her she wasn't a working class mother from some dumpy suburb but a genius business women who was held back by the GRC. Have a good think about it Nina, you know the truth.

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You  piece of shit. swallow your own dung.

lemons has the heart to call it the way it is.

9. Motive and dominant ground irrelevant