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Date Posted:14/04/2015 10:37 PMCopy HTML

Judges 1:19: “So the Lord was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron.”

Now I know some apologists will point out that God is able to defeat other iron chariots, so it isn't just any iron chariots that God is defeated by, but God + Jews were unable to defeat these ones.

So my question is: do we have any archeologists in the house who can identify this particular brand of iron chariots? That way if we atheists, agnostics, irreligious and everything not of the one true and obscure Christian sect turn out to be wrong, we can drive Jesus off this planet with our chariots of iron.

(Yes, I am being facetious, but perhaps Theists will respond better with a bit of humour about the craziness of their god book.)


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Re:God's kryptonite

Date Posted:16/04/2015 12:10 PMCopy HTML

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Judges 1:19: “So the Lord was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron.”

Now I know some apologists will point out that God is able to defeat other iron chariots, so it isn't just any iron chariots that God is defeated by, but God + Jews were unable to defeat these ones.

So my question is: do we have any archeologists in the house who can identify this particular brand of iron chariots? That way if we atheists, agnostics, irreligious and everything not of the one true and obscure Christian sect turn out to be wrong, we can drive Jesus off this planet with our chariots of iron.

(Yes, I am being facetious, but perhaps Theists will respond better with a bit of humour about the craziness of their god book.)


Ha ha, that's easily explained;  You just have to ask Erich von Däniken; It was extra-terrestrials in their space crafts

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Re:God's kryptonite

Date Posted:19/04/2015 1:29 PMCopy HTML

Ok, jokes aside. I think I can see here you are not taking the 'Big Picture' into account. Not unlike Revivalists, you pick out a singular passage and read your own view into it to fit your agenda (I believe it's called 'proof-texting) when you should let the bible read for itself.

You find that certain narratives that are mentioned in one book of the bible is also made mention of in some other parts and from this we can see how these narratives fit in as a whole. Take Judges 1:19; God was with 'the men of Judah' when they took the high country, because they were obeying his commands. By the time they had attacked the 'low lands',  as it explains in ch 2 they were disobedient and were defeated. It wasn't God that broke his covenant, it was Israel. God never changes. 

Again, it is a matter of reading the whole chapters, in context, and by that you can see the whole narrative as the author may have intended it to be.


 

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Interesting. So what you're saying is Judah went up the mountains worshiping Yahweh, and then generations later came down the mountain and lost against the iron chariots because they started worshiping Yahweh's wife and son (Asherah and Baal*)? You do know the text, even in context, does not support your apologist argument? You also should know that it was other tribes, like Benjamin, that didn't take the command to commit genocide that seriously.


* Well, strictly speaking El Elyon's son, but since Yahweh took over this name for himself, I can say Yahweh's son Baal...El Elyon's wife was Asherah as well. However we have an even stronger connection that Yahweh's wife was Asherah due to recent artifacts dug up stating things like "Yahweh and his Asherah." In light of such evidence the temple of Solomon's description of grove or tree needs to be updated and Yahweh's wife re-established into the text (Asherah also means grove or tree.)
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Honestly, where in the world do you get your information or is it just you want to score 'brownie points' in your arguments and make up those ridiculous statements (Yahweh's wife etc)?

Not much demonstration of intelligence IMHO.

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Yahweh's wife (an example):

http://news.discovery.com/history/religion/god-wife-yahweh-asherah-110318.htm


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Date Posted:20/04/2015 3:21 AMCopy HTML

OK, so you go along with Stavrakopoulou, Dawkins and Viegas.

Sorry, don't give much credit to any of the 'Unbelievers Group'. They all tend to twist scripture and link it into Paganism.

Oh, fww, I don't claim to be an 'apologist' for some of the Old Testament writings. Does it really make any difference now to what God has done for mankind in Christ today? Old testament served it's purpose for ancient Israel back then, some of it doesn't apply today. Christianity is for all.



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Sorry, don't give much credit to any of the 'Believers Group'. They all tend to twist scripture to fit their narrow world view.

Is it the same god for the old and new testaments? How much new testament is there without the old testament (you know all the direct quotations, the bizarre and so-called fulfilled prophecies of the old testament and so on and forth)?

Is there a book in the new testament not written to the Jews?
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Sorry, don't give much credit to any of the 'Believers Group'. They all tend to twist scripture to fit their narrow world view.

Not all. I don't, nor does Ian (Didaktikon) for that matter. I don't mind being called 'narrow minded', it fits in with the absolute truth. (Matthew 7:“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.)

Is it the same god for the old and new testaments? How much new testament is there without the old testament (you know all the direct quotations, the bizarre and so-called fulfilled prophecies of the old testament and so on and forth)?

Why worry, to one that is already 'predestined' before creation it's what the New Testament reveals to them that's relevant.

Is there a book in the new testament not written to the Jews?

Written for all, needless to say.

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I suppose a narrow mind is required to follow a god that demands genocide and punishes those that don't enter into the slaughtering.

So, no free will in your world view? I guess that allows the contradiction of omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and free will.

So which book is not written to the Jews or is this part of the twisting you require? (Gentile being a duplicitous word that Christian translators use to write themselves in.)
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Like it or not, we live in a world of anti-Christian bios. It is a wicked connivance. Christians are in hiding, afraid to speak out because it becomes hate speech to those that reject or believe not God.

It's people like you that are the enemy of righteousness and justice. There is no other source than the bible for man to draw on for wisdom and knowledge that produce the values and prosperity that a democratic society needs to function and for all to benefit. 

Look in the world today at which countries are in chaos the most, wars, poverty, troubles. Doesn't take much to figure out where their values are from.

I think we are not far behind.

No more from me on this thread. Cheers.



 

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Like it or not, we live in a world of anti-Christian bios. It is a wicked connivance. Christians are in hiding, afraid to speak out because it becomes hate speech to those that reject or believe not God.

It's governments and people like you that are the enemy of righteousness and justice. There is no other source than the bible for man to draw on for wisdom and knowledge that produce the values and prosperity that a democratic society needs to function and for all to benefit. 

Look in the world today at which countries are in chaos the most, wars, poverty, troubles. Doesn't take much to figure out where their values are from.

I think we are not far behind.

That's all from me on this thread. Cheers.

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Perhaps I've been a bit cruel, but you've shown some positive signs: you've fled from the old testament (refusing to defend the indefensible) and you've essentially admitted that errors are in the new testament (by not defending a contradiction.) One day you may reflect on how little you believe in the new testament, and then whether it is worth believing even that.

Christianity is the largest religion in the world. You're really over-stating the problem.

If God is the definition of righteousness and justice, I'll give him a pass. I have no interest in following the goodness of a bad tempered sociopath. If you take off your god-glasses, you'll see just how evil Yahweh of the bible is (but then again you've fled from the old testament, so perhaps you've got an inkling just how mad and bad Yahweh really is.)

The world overall is getting better. Wars are on the decrease. Poverty is on the decrease. Famines are on the decrease. Longevity is on the increase. Whether it stays the course will depend on whether the god-botherers continue to decrease in numbers.






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