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Date Posted:09/12/2007 3:51 AMCopy HTML "Heart of Fire" Extractby Barry Chant In 1958, the Christian Revival Crusade (then known as the Commonwealth Revival Crusade) was being led in Melbourne by Lloyd Longfield and in Geelong, Noel Hollins. Longfield was of medium build, with a smooth and pleasant speaking voice, and a persuasive manner. He had been a travelling salesman, a staff sergeant in the A.I.F. for six years during the Second World War and a delicatessen proprietor for three years. His war experience in the Middle East gave him an interest in Bible Prophecy and he was thus an early convert of the C.R.C. in Melbourne, where Bible prophecy was being strongly taught. He had been quickly recognised as a man of great promise, and had been used with some effectiveness in both preaching and healing ministry. In 1952, he had become pastor of the assembly. Numbers began to grow under his positive preaching. His manner was such that even those who disagreed with him found him to be an interesting — even entertaining — speaker. There seemed to be an underlying sense of the humorous when he spoke — the twinkle in his eye and the inflection of his voice suggesting that there was another side to what he said, which he was not willing to declare openly. Noel Hollins was a tall young man, well over six feet. His preaching voice was strong and his methods direct. He spoke simply and to the point, and with a seriousness of purpose that reflected an intensity of character. At his conversion, he had abandoned a university course, and devoted his future entirely to the Lord's work. A bachelor for many years, he was regarded as a prime goal by many of the female members! Neither Longfield nor Hollins had any previous experience of Pentecostalism, or of serious Christianity of any kind, for that matter. Their Christian experience began with their conversion; they had never known any committed Christians beyond the Crusade. This fact explains in a small way some of the subsequent events. From about 1955 onwards, tensions began to develop between assemblies in Melbourne and Geelong and Adelaide. Initially, the rivalry was friendly. Attendance figures were compared, and both Adelaide and Geelong, for example, were running about level with congregations numbering about 300. Geelong opened its own hall in December, 1957 — a converted nissan hut of unusual but attractive design. The next year, 1958, Adelaide purchased its first hall. Longfield meanwhile, had purchased a tent and conducted evangelistic campaigns in Geelong and Brisbane. Such mutual challenging was healthy. But it also opened the doors for criticism. Longfield visited Adelaide, and was rather distressed by what he regarded as extreme methods of exorcism. He also felt that the South Australian brethren were not firm enough in their understanding and proclamation of the baptism in the Spirit. So he and Hollins drew up what they claimed was a statement of faith for the Victorian assemblies in which they declared that salvation was the result of repentance and faith, but that if a believer then refused to be baptised either in water or the Spirit, he would forfeit that salvation. Similarly, a breaking of fellowship with the assembly could result in forfeited salvation. When the rest of the Crusade pastors got together to draw up a constitution, Longfield and Hollins refused to co-operate in such a move — to do so would be to abandon their "liberty" and autonomy as local churches. Finally, there was some dissension in Melbourne because Longfield gave little scope for his officers to share in the financial management of the work. He believed that as pastor he had the right to make decisions about handling of funds without having to consult others. Although he did appoint a business council he still made independent decisions — decisions which many found unacceptable. At this stage, the Crusade work in Australia was relatively small. With three dominant personalities such as Longfield, Hollins and Harris, it was inevitable that unless tolerance was practised, clashes would occur. Harris and Adelaide business man Don Barrett journeyed to Victoria to try to resolve things, but found that there was nothing that could be done, and so when in November 1958, the rest of the C.R.C. assemblies drew up a constitution, the two Victorian works disassociated themselves and became the Melbourne Revival Centre, and the Geelong Revival Centre, respectively. Some other assemblies joined with them — mainly ones like Canberra (A.C.T.) and Port Lincoln (S.A.) which had been started as a direct outreach of the Melbourne and Geelong works by the roaming preacher named Len Day — a happy-go-lucky fellow who flew a small plane all over the country and treated all he met as long-lost friends. Most remained loyal to the original Crusade movement, with small groups in Geelong and Melbourne refusing to follow their pastors' lead, and maintaining affiliation with the Crusade. Since that time, the doctrinal position of the Revival Centres has become quite clear. Without any compromise they openly declare that baptism in water and in the Holy Spirit are necessary for salvation. Longfield once said. "Jesus is coming again for those who pray in the Spirit, who are sealed by the Spirit." And again, "If they received the Spirit they haven't any life in them and are dead in trespasses and sins". In a leaflet entitled "What must I do to be saved?" Longfield writes: "If we really believe Him, we obey Him. We believe He is alive and that He has given to us the path of salvation. We accept gladly the pattern of repentance, of water baptism and the promised power of the Holy Spirit. Our obedience indicates that we 'rely' on Him, we 'trust' Him to save us from sin and to fill us with the Holy Spirit. Such believing will bring the power of God into our lives." The wording of this passage is careful. But the meaning is clear. Without baptism by immersion or the baptism in the Spirit, there is no real believing, and hence, no real salvation. The following quotation makes the matter perfectly plain:
This then is the distinguishing mark between the Revival Centres and most other Pentecostal groups in Australia. Whereas the others teach both baptism in water and the baptism in the Spirit, they still agree that there is only one absolute essential for salvation, and that is trust in Jesus Christ himself alone for righteousness and freedom from sin. The doctrines which separate these groups are important to them, but they have never been made pre-requisites for salvation. Thus, on occasion, almost every Pentecostal church in this country has co-operated with churches of another Pentecostal denomination in some kind of joint venture. In some states, all Pentecostal pastors meet regularly for fellowship together. But the Revival Centres will never be — indeed, can never be — a part of this, for their whole concept of redemption sets them apart. The Revival Centre doctrine of salvation results in other kinds of exclusivism. Non-Pentecostal churches are fiercely criticised. So Longfield writes: "What Gospel? A Gospel that will bring people to believe, to be baptised, to speak in tongues, to work miracles? Or another Gospel? A Gospel described in both Old and New Testaments as one of Holy Ghost fire and power, or the insipid apology for a so-called Gospel the professing church has foisted on the unwary today?" In his preaching, he often challenges the congregation to prove that God is real. What happens in the churches they come from? What evidence do they have that God is alive? In the Revival Crusade there is evidence of the reality of God. People are healed and baptised in the Spirit. Signs indicate God's power. On one occasion he challenged:
Longfield and his fellow-pastors find it necessary also to condemn the Pentecostal churches for compromise. When Pentecostals associate with functions like the Billy Graham Crusades, they are supporting a watered-down form of the Gospel. Pentecostals, on the other hand, feel that such criticism falls strangely from men who use a hymn-book in which there are more hymns by non-Pentecostals than anyone else! And who use translations of the Bible (the Amplified Bible is popular) which were produced by (un-saved) non-Pentecostals! A final by-product of the extremist doctrine is a rigid control over church members. Most Pentecostals teach the importance of divinely-called leadership. The offices of pastor, evangelist and teacher are seen as the result of divine calling rather than human choosing or training. Thus, such ministries ought to be respected. The Revival Centres, however, emphasise this more strongly yet. For example,
This principle is agreed to by most Pentecostals. But it is not normally applied with the same strength. In practice, when people visit a Revival Centre, they are asked where they come from and what their intentions are. If they belong to another Pentecostal church they are told clearly that they should either go back there or move in totally with the Centre. Casual visitors are not sought. Unbelievers who attend are, of course, encouraged to join the group. On the positive side, this same attitude produces a movement of confident, forthright, fiercely loyal people. There is no room for compromise. You either accept everything that is taught or you leave. Many do, in fact, leave. But hundreds of others stay and fully endorse what is said and done. The preaching is vigorous and clear. Hearers are left in no doubt of what they must do. There is no middle ground. Revival Centre meetings are lively and positive. There is a straight-forward hard-hitting quality about them. As may be imagined, there is little sentiment or soft-pedalling. The singing is enthusiastic, the praise fervent, the preaching forthright, and the expectancy high. Some Pentecostal services give the sense of joyful spontaniety or of family fellowship; these qualities can be found in Revival Centres, too, but with them, there is also a sense of militancy. These people are more like an army than a club. The Melbourne Revival Centre has been frequently in the news. In March, 1966, they paid over $90,000 for a property in Harcourt Street, Auburn. This included one and a half acres of land and a seventeen-roomed house which had formerly been inhabited by the Lord Mayor of Melbourne. Nearby residents feared that the building of a hall on the property would spoil the previously quiet character of the area, and their protests made newspaper headlines both in Victoria and interstate. Ultimately, permission to build the hall was refused, but the residence was kept as a manse for Pastor Longfield. The assembly purchased the old Rialto Theatre in Kew where crowds of up to 800 have met for special meetings. Normally about 500 attend. In 1970, the Revival Centres again made the news when the Melbourne Truth launched vigorous attacks against them. The Christian Revival Crusade and other Pentecostals were also included in a series of articles which "exposed" many things that never happened in the first place. There is no evidence that any serious effect resulted from this: Longfield's meetings probably grew. He is the kind of man to revel in any publicity, good or bad. Hollins' assembly in Geelong eventually broke up. The majority of the congregation ultimately turned against him, and claimed the hall. This congregation applied for re-admittance to the Christian Revival Crusade, which was granted. Hollins began again, and fairly soon built up another strong assembly at Norlane, a Geelong suburb. In 1972, there was a further disagreement between Hollins and Longfield. At the time of writing, they were out of fellowship with each other. In 1969, there were 14 Revival Centres in various parts of Australia, six of them in Victoria, the rest mainly in capital cities elsewhere. Another feature of this ministry has been its radio voice. For years, Longfield has broadcast every Sunday over a number of stations. And on air as in pulpit, he lampoons the churches and proclaims his forthright, uncompromising message. Each year, a camp is held. The location has varied from year to year according to the availability of camp sites. Recently, no camp site being available, the people simply booked out normal public caravan parks along a Victorian coast. Each family provides its own tent or caravan and attends to its own cooking. Combined rallies are held in the evenings. Up to 1OOO people have attended such events. Evening rallies have been effective in winning converts, who are usually baptised in the sea as soon as possible. A periodical called the Voice of Revival is published. Although dated, individual issues are devoted to particular themes — Bible Prophecy, the baptism in the Spirit, divine healing. So they remain in stock for people seeking help on these subjects. Few photos appear; articles are often anonymous, or at most, initialled; the magazine is brief, normally of about twelve pages. True to the traditions of the Crusade from which it originated, the Voice of Revival is labelled as "proclaiming the gospel of salvation to the individual, the church and the nation." Thus, the original vision for national revival is still there. Early in Longfield's ministry, he was campaigning in Geelong. A man came to the service one day who was well-known for his divisionary spirit. He had caused trouble in other places by showing disloyalty among members of various Pentecostal churches. Longfield politely asked him not to come again. But next Sunday, he was again present. Standing at the door was a new convert named Jack Clay. An ex-sailor, he was muscular and strong. He had just been healed by the power of God from an incurable disease for which medicine had been of no avail. He looked at this man, and began to speak to him. "Didn't Mr, Longfield ask you not to come here again?" Then he grasped the man by the scruff of the neck and the seat of his trousers and bodily lifted him into the air. He continued: "Mr. Longfield is a gentleman. I'm not. If I see you here again, I'll pick you up, carry you outside and throw you over the fence." With that, he put the man down. He was never seen at these meetings again! Jack Clay later became a prominent preacher in the Revival Centres. With time, came also maturity, but nevertheless, this anecdote clearly reveals the enthusiasm and vigour that Longfield's ministry promotes. Not everyone can agree with him — indeed many are repelled. But none can deny that he knows what he wants and is determined to get it! |
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Glad-to be out | Share to: #51 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:16/10/2008 4:08 AMCopy HTML The list of Assemblies is in this thread.
Some are now defunct and new ones have sprung up over the globe. Too depressing to dwell on. Maybe someone in the know can update the list. Cheers, Glad "Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
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Ex_Member | Share to: #52 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:20/11/2008 1:53 AMCopy HTML I would like to know what has happened to the cult in Milton Keynes.
I would like to know those people whom I loved and hope that they have left the cult. I would like to know what will happen to this cancer when the Nutter dies. I would like to know what is the cure or at least treatment for this cancer. I would like to know why it is growing and where it is growing. I would like to know what brought those former pastors and elders to the light and why they left and how they can help get others out. I like to know things? Information is power and power is what is needed to fight against cult friends and family members who are in the cult try to trap my others friends and family members into this cult. |
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motmot | Share to: #53 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:20/11/2008 9:22 AMCopy HTML Reply to brolga (20/11/2008 14:48:55) I think you just want to be a know-all. Gosh ! Your a hard man to please. It isn't easy being a know-all, when your up on top, everyone wants to knock you down - like that ' tall poppy syndrome ', it's not easy being a know-all ! Tere is so much you have to know . Cheers ....... " Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others"
Come-On !
always tell the truth
motmot
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Ex_Member | Share to: #54 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:21/11/2008 12:48 AMCopy HTML Sun Tzu stated: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
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Ex_Member | Share to: #55 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:20/07/2009 7:21 AMCopy HTML I pray that the whole truth should be revealed,investigation into Adelaide,Croydon,Avondale Heights,Sydney,Albury, I have heard the pastor in Singapore is a clone of addison( I hope not for their sakes)Canberra etc etc. All the wicked tele evangelists in America were revealed surely now is the time for these guys in Australia to face the spot light. |
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Uncoolman | Share to: #56 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:19/06/2010 12:25 PMCopy HTML While the GRC is getting all this publicity and people and the forum is alive, time to resurect this topic:
Help people to identify the GRC assemblies, if you know their various names please list them. |
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Uncoolman | Share to: #57 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:20/06/2010 11:35 AMCopy HTML Colin Plunkett has NOT left the church... He is in Croydon.. Top bloke just brain Washed like all Noels Sheep... I spent alot of time with him on camps and in the assembly
REALLY?? WHO ARE YOU?? Colin Plunkett is one of the cruellest, nastiest, ignorant Ted Fat Owen wanna bees I met whilst on the Croydon assembly. Get a grip who ever you are and see him for what he really is. |
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Uncoolman | Share to: #58 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:22/06/2010 4:26 AMCopy HTML GRC affiliated group in Singapore : REVIVAL FAITH ASSEMBLY |
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LSlurper | Share to: #59 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:22/06/2010 9:35 AMCopy HTML Grr...this forum is so hard to search......
So I don't think it has been mentioned in this thread. I know for a FACT of a young GRC couple (mid 20s) being dispatched to Queensland only a matter of weeks ago to assist in the spread of the cult. Couple sold up Geelong house (only purchased not so long ago), left job, etc..... This 'opportunity' came up very suddenly. He will have to find paid work and she will wait out impending arrival of first child - without GRC family members and known support system. Very sad story. Site of the new GRC? Nambour! Maybe others here have more detail? LS x Never been a GRC member.
35+ years as sibling of 2 x GRC members.
Victim of pre-teenage attempts at GRC brainwashing.
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Uncoolman | Share to: #60 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:22/06/2010 12:45 PMCopy HTML Townsville : Closed down , formally Colin Plunket, and he is now back in Croydon. |
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Uncoolman | Share to: #61 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:24/06/2010 4:35 AMCopy HTML Amit As this posts in the Geelong Advertiser has no reply I am posting it here and hope you find it and reply You did not give names as to the pastors. Why not give names?
At least you were allowed to get married. I was told to return to my country with out getting married and soon left.
And I know all too well what Herbie does to move you about the world like a pawn on a chess board.
His ego is so great I'm sure he has a hard time finding hats.
And to all those in the GRCcult who would like to leave please find those who have left and we will make friends with you and help where we can and you will never be alone.
I wish I have gotten out earlier than I did as I would be healthier now. Some things take time to lead to problems and not feeling able that one should go to a doctor some things that could have been caught don't get caught.
And I know of others who are still in the cult who are ill and will not get treatment. And they will die and the pastor will say that “they are better off in heaven with Jesus than in pain here on earth” I guess your mid 30's is a good time to die in the cult.
So at least you got to get to Australia and marry your girlfriend and will most likely live a long and now happy life.
Herbie is a puppet master and you need to cut the stings. It's your life and yours along and don't let another control it. |
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CaSaMa | Share to: #62 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:24/06/2010 10:29 PMCopy HTML Guest,
I believe the pastor Amit was referring to was Reg Gray. He went to Canberra from India and subsequently lost his pastorship because his son left. He went to Geelong after that. All the time he was in India he didn't work, I remember comments during that time that he was living life a bit on the high side. They were receiving money from the Australian Government as well for their children. I am not surprised by Amit's story at all. I am glad he is free now and guest if you need to see a doctor please do so. your health is of the utmost, you have to live your life, not them. I didn't go to a doctor for 20 years, always thought I was healthy, then I had a few symptoms and ignored them, now I have a chronic condition which could have been dealt with earlier and probably have saved myself a lot of trouble and prevented some further issues. Hope things improve for you. CaSaMa |
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Uncoolman | Share to: #63 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:23/10/2011 10:23 AMCopy HTML Please note the title of the threads you reply in and STICK to the topic.
Discussions that veer off will be swept under the carpet until I have the time to sort them out. And I rarely have time. If you've been asked not to use the forum and agreed not to, please don't, Tracey. |
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Uncoolman | Share to: #64 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:24/10/2011 1:36 PMCopy HTML Please
note the title of the threads you reply in and STICK to the topic.
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Didaktikon | Share to: #65 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:24/10/2011 9:59 PMCopy HTML Canuck,
You can always be relied upon to provide the comic relief ;) Goose. Ian
email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Uncoolman | Share to: #66 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:05/04/2012 1:29 PMCopy HTML
there is so much you have missed out on I was an elder for some years and theres a lot of imfomation you have missed that could be told I was in noddys house for lunch at one stage and he informed me he could not be wrong how dare they tell me I'm wrong was his word he also noddy was staying in my house and he told me he was the great apposal of this age he has stuck himself up on a pedistal so far he thinks no one can take him down there is a lot more but I'm not a vary good writer regards oz pilgrim also Doug Sims and Neil Griggs are liars and decivers
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motmot | Share to: #67 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:06/04/2012 10:33 PMCopy HTML wow !
" Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others"
Come-On !
always tell the truth
motmot
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Dovetail | Share to: #68 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:08/04/2012 10:27 AMCopy HTML are there any ex hobart or launceston assembly members on here??collateral damage from Shurmer and Griggs??
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Arielle50 | Share to: #69 | |
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MLowden | Share to: #70 | |
Re:GRC History and associated churches Date Posted:07/03/2014 5:49 AMCopy HTML Pretty sad seeing your Dads name in the list of the equally deceived.
My brother mentioned that Doug indeed is Pastor in Perth. For the comment referring to all the confusing names of the "group", the differing names of all the groups isn't intended to hide the originating or original offshoot Revival groups. But rather differentiate themselves from all other religious groups be that Christian or otherwise. Referring to Tony Addison, what does it mean by "no fruit / growth / assemblies from him"? |