Forum for ex-members of Revival Churches
Revival_Centres_Discussion_Forums > Bible, Beliefs, Scriptures and 'The Word' > Didaktikon debunks Revivalist 'Theology' Go to subcategory:
Author Content
Didaktikon
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Date Posted:16/07/2009 10:52 PMCopy HTML

Good morning, Tony.

I'd like to provide you with an opportunity to to publicly (and openly) present your "critiques" of my various exegetical essays. Here's a thread which you can fill with your evaluations to your heart's content

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #201
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:01/02/2010 11:54 AMCopy HTML

Tony,

Given that no-one's interested in your totally whacky opinions enough to visit that rip-off forum you established, I suppose you suddenly felt compelled to come back here to spruik your nonsense, huh? Craving a soapbox, but can't find anyone prepared to give you one? 

Now given that I don't like hypocrites very much, and that you continue to prove yourself one, you're banned forthwith.

Goose.

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Uncoolman Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #202
  • Rank:Poster Venti III
  • Score:10080
  • Posts:324
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:01/02/2010 10:36 PMCopy HTML

Hi Ian,

Just been doing a little bible reading and cited "Lukie" up with Pharisees and Sadducees in Mat.ch 3;
The type of fruit "in keeping with repentance" and we have Abraham (Lloyd) as our father etc.

fw it was w.

Ralph
Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #203
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:01/02/2010 10:57 PMCopy HTML

Hi, Ralph.

Naaah. The Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees actually knew Scripture, they understood it, and could interpret it's literal meaning correctly. "Lukie", on the other hand, simply hasn't a clue. Just as was the case with the medieval Jewish Kabbalists, our friend bypasses the literal meaning altogether, preferring instead to embrace the error of allegory. After all, if the obvious meaning doesn't suit one's ideology, then why not employ a method without checks and balances? Why not use an interpretative schema that enables one to make Scripture "say" whatever one wants?!

Our friend unashamedly is a self-professed Revivalist, after all

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Glad-to be out Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #204
  • Rank:Posterior Maximus
  • Score:15160
  • Posts:701
  • From:Faroe_islands
  • Register:07/04/2006 8:57 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:02/02/2010 9:32 AMCopy HTML

 Luke - you said that you hated the 'spiritual abuse' that takes place in the GRC and even offered to attend a meeting so that you could speak to them about the 'error of their ways'.

Your doctrine, or better still as Epi puts it, your dogma, is just as soul destroying as the GRC.

It is sad to see that by misinterpreting the Word, you are causing spiritual harm to people who have chosen to leave the GRC, RF and RCI and seek out spiritual truth and guidance from mainstream churches.

Your lack of understanding regarding the position of the GRC to the other Revivalist sects and mainstream churches is alarming.

People searching for answers on this site can't possibly find solace in rantings and long winded diatribes so similar to those experienced in the very sects that they are trying to escape from.

You may mean well, but your efforts here are misguided and more than likely a hindrance rather than a help to most folk.


"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
Luke735 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #205
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Australia
  • Register:12/06/2009 4:43 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:11/02/2010 12:26 PMCopy HTML

Reply to Episkopeo

"As I continue my journey away from the RF......"

Hi there to you Luke,

Luke, I can't understand why you ever left RF and I'm amazed that you haven't applied to re-enter.  You share to same basic dogma as they do.  As for any of your own strong opinions on anything other than how RF see it,  well they would quell those very quickly.  They'd be "phased" out in no time and you'd be a good little RFer again.

Something to think about d'ya think?

Epi




I will not be; as you say "applying to re-enter the RF" I have very much moved on the RF now with my family. You are correct when you say that I share the same basic dogma as the Rf. We do however very much differ on the treatment of people and the view of other churches.

Over time many in the RF have wrongly believed that the RF is the only church preaching the truth. This of course is untrue. I only hope that you people on this site are able to find the same peace and Godly contentment that I have found along with the many who have since joined me.

The Lord has blessed me more in the last 12 months than I could have asked or thought possible, both materially and Spiritually. I hope this is your testimony as well Epi.

God Bless

Tony
Luke735 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #206
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Australia
  • Register:12/06/2009 4:43 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:11/02/2010 12:44 PMCopy HTML

Reply to Glad-to be out

 Luke - you said that you hated the 'spiritual abuse' that takes place in the GRC and even offered to attend a meeting so that you could speak to them about the 'error of their ways'.

Your doctrine, or better still as Epi puts it, your dogma, is just as soul destroying as the GRC.

It is sad to see that by misinterpreting the Word, you are causing spiritual harm to people who have chosen to leave the GRC, RF and RCI and seek out spiritual truth and guidance from mainstream churches.

Your lack of understanding regarding the position of the GRC to the other Revivalist sects and mainstream churches is alarming.

People searching for answers on this site can't possibly find solace in rantings and long winded diatribes so similar to those experienced in the very sects that they are trying to escape from.

You may mean well, but your efforts here are misguided and more than likely a hindrance rather than a help to most folk.



OK Glad, I appreciate your comments. I agree I have been (at times) out of line in my diologue with Ian and others. For this I apologise. The texts of scripture that I have posted is (in my opinion) perfectly legitimate for examination by my brothers and sisters on this site. They can decide for themselves whether they are true or false.

I have tried to be uplifting and possitive as much as I can.

The bottom line for me is that for many the following is believed:

Bad behaviour by individual Pastors in the RCI, RF etc therefore means that the their doctrine on salvation is also wrong. (I mean how can anybody who behaves so bad be right on salvation) 

I believe that the two are mutually exclusive and should be treated as such.


I believe that If you do not speak in tongues than you have not been filled with the Holy Ghost. Nothing I have seen here on this site compels me to alter this belief.

The question (for those of you who once belived as I do) is this:

Did the change eminate from the bad treatment you recieved at the hands of Poor Pastors etc in the Revivalist churches or through studying the Word of God?

If the latter then Why would you not welcome debate on this critical issue. To Ian's credit he at least believes his docrine and has studied it. Having read his work I find it to be based on a whole lot of supposition (but thats just my opinion) take it or leave it.

I for one am now am happier than ever and moving on.

God Bless

Tony
Uncoolman Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #207
  • Rank:Poster Venti III
  • Score:10080
  • Posts:324
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:11/02/2010 8:18 PMCopy HTML

Luke,

My answer to your question:

Did the change eminate from the bad treatment you recieved at the hands of Poor Pastors etc in the Revivalist churches or through studying the Word of God?

My permanent expulsion from RCI was the reason for studying the Bible.  It is only when you study the bible WITHOUT the predetermined conclusion WRT tongues being the catalyst of salvation, and just allow the bible to say what it says.  Only then does the issue of speaking in tongues take on it's rightful place as one of the spiritual gifts of God's Spirit.

One only has to study church history ( with an actual church history book Luke ) to find out the truth regarding the very RECENT and NEW AGE nature of alternative gospels such as:

I believe that If you do not speak in tongues than you have not been filled with the Holy Ghost.

Yes, there may be here and there some that are still stumbling at this stumbling block to the true gospel, but those that have bothered to study honestly, have rightfully done away with it.

Regards Paul. 
Luke735 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #208
  • Rank:
  • Score:0
  • Posts:0
  • From:Australia
  • Register:12/06/2009 4:43 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:11/02/2010 8:49 PMCopy HTML

Reply to misterkilometres

Luke,

My answer to your question:

Did the change eminate from the bad treatment you recieved at the hands of Poor Pastors etc in the Revivalist churches or through studying the Word of God?

My permanent expulsion from RCI was the reason for studying the Bible.  It is only when you study the bible WITHOUT the predetermined conclusion WRT tongues being the catalyst of salvation, and just allow the bible to say what it says.  Only then does the issue of speaking in tongues take on it's rightful place as one of the spiritual gifts of God's Spirit.

One only has to study church history ( with an actual church history book Luke ) to find out the truth regarding the very RECENT and NEW AGE nature of alternative gospels such as:

I believe that If you do not speak in tongues than you have not been filled with the Holy Ghost.

Yes, there may be here and there some that are still stumbling at this stumbling block to the true gospel, but those that have bothered to study honestly, have rightfully done away with it.

Regards Paul. 
Thanks Paul, That was well said!

If I am honest, I would have to concede that my perspective is so tainted and biased that I will find it difficult to rid my mind of the tongues = confirmation of Holy Ghost baptism doctrine enough to offer any really valuable perspective to some here.

I do however find that a great many scriptures clearly and emphatically tell us that tongues is in fact a requirement for salvation.


I guess that the scriptures that I post here are for the purpose of asking the following question:

"If tongues are not necessary than please explain the application".

Just one example of this approach is:  John 3:8 says that the Spirit will be identifiable via an audible voice. Please explain!

God Bless

Luke 7:35



Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #209
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:11/02/2010 9:25 PMCopy HTML

Tony,

Just one example of this approach is:  John 3:8 says that the Spirit will be identifiable via an audible voice. Please explain!

You're quite the dogmatic, little Revivalist aren't you? I've previously demonstrated to you on this forum, beyond any shadow of doubt, and then from the grammar and syntax of the Greek text, why your "audible voice" nonsense with respect to John 3:8 is completely illegitimate. The fact that you would raise this disproven Revivalist claim again clearly indicates that you're neither teachable, nor open, to being corrected from God's Word. Good luck with that.

So let's sum up your demonstrated character, shall we? (1) Ignorant, (2) arrogant, (3) dogmatic, (4) untruthful, (5) hypocritical, (6) unteachable, (7) spiteful and (8) malicious. Superimpose the fact that you're also obnoxious, and I think I have more than adequate grounds for banning of you from this site. If you would care to dispute my taking this action, then you should take up the matter with our uber Moderator, Unkoolman.

It's time for you to face up to the fact that noone here is interested in buying the "pup" you seem so keen to sell. And given the complete lack of engagement at your own excuse for a forum, noone there seems over keen either.

In closing, you've set your sights too high; you really do need to find a much less discerning crowd to harangue with your unbiblical nonsense.

Goose.

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Talmid Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #210
  • Rank:Regular Rookier
  • Score:5980
  • Posts:293
  • From:Australia
  • Register:21/04/2008 10:04 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:11/02/2010 11:01 PMCopy HTML

Yo Luke

For the record, again, after 30 odd years of being convinced that the RCI/RF salvation message was correct, I came to the conclusion after working through scripture that it was wrong, and then left. I was invited to stay by my pastor, even after telling him that it was wrong, and did in fact stay for the best part of a year before choosing to part company. I even went camping with a number of my former RF co-religionists over the last Australia Day long weekend, which was over a year after leaving.

In answer to your question, then, "the change" was a result of studying scripture (enlivened by the Spirit who opened my understanding) not any bad treatment from RCI/RF leaders.
The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
Uncoolman Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #211
  • Rank:Poster Venti III
  • Score:10080
  • Posts:324
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:21/02/2010 12:07 PMCopy HTML

Hi Ianos, et all... It might be possible to ban Lukie from posting on these boards but at the same time allow him to come in and still be allowed to be able to read any posting he happens to come across. ( just like as if if he visited a genuine church where he would take his seat, sit down, shut up, listen and learn - that is if he is capable of learning anything..)   Just a thought !

Blessings

Eric.

Uncoolman Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #212
  • Rank:Poster Venti III
  • Score:10080
  • Posts:324
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:21/02/2010 8:25 PMCopy HTML

 Just noticed that Luke the Goose has altered his "Ian Thomason" discussion forum room to this:

"Ian Thomason is a disgruntled former member of the Revival Centres International that has committed a great deal of time to arguing against the Holy Ghost Baptism. He has a website called “Please Consider” where he uses eloquence of speech to support his twisted views. He is basically a modern day Pharisee, highly narcissistic and intolerant of any view but his own. Ian Thomason has somewhat of a cult following among other disgruntled former Revival Members and this accounts for most (if not all) his following. He is one among a number of "Cyber Cult Leaders".


---- POOP !!!

Eric
Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #213
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:22/02/2010 2:58 AMCopy HTML

Hi, John.

Thank you for pointing out the fact that I don't oppose baptism in/with the Holy Spirit at all, I simply oppose Revivalism's/Pentecostalism's mistaken assumption of what such actually entails. Anyway, Tony's commentary that: (1) I'm a modern day Pharisee (which is impossible given that I'm neither Jewish nor Talmudic in my beliefs); (2) that I'm highly narcissistic and intolerant of others' views (he almost makes me sound like a Revivalist there!); and (3) that I have something of a "cult" following among former Revivalists (which sounds remarkably like jealousy on his part) has really made my day. Perhaps I should follow his lead and (1) start my own "church"; (2) call myself "pastor"; and (3) rant long and hard on the internet on subjects about which I haven't the foggiest clue?

He really is a goose, hey?

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
prezy Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #214
  • Rank:Poster Venti II
  • Score:7160
  • Posts:343
  • From:Scotland
  • Register:06/02/2007 11:02 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:22/02/2010 4:43 AMCopy HTML

Yes, our highly regarded cult leader.lol. he is among other things a goose. Reminds of grc talks where I couldn't help thinking that many of things that other people, in particular mainstream Christians, were being acused of were in fact a perfect desription of the acuser! Still amazed at the similarities between all the different "revival heretic groups". Wasnt the impression we were given while still "in". Bit like the Nazi party, same or very similar ideas in their groups, but leaders all wanted to kill each other.
¡uıɐƃɐ ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ƃuıʎnq ɹǝʌǝu
Uncoolman Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #215
  • Rank:Poster Venti III
  • Score:10080
  • Posts:324
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:22/02/2010 5:11 AMCopy HTML

Reply to prezy

Yes, our highly regarded cult leader.lol. he is among other things a goose. Reminds of grc talks where I couldn't help thinking that many of things that other people, in particular mainstream Christians, were being acused of were in fact a perfect desription of the acuser! Still amazed at the similarities between all the different "revival heretic groups". Wasnt the impression we were given while still "in". Bit like the Nazi party, same or very similar ideas in their groups, but leaders all wanted to kill each other.

Afternoon Prezy,

Amen to that - indeed.. All goose is doing is shouting accusation - too right !!

blessings 

Eric


 
MothandRust Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #216
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:41380
  • Posts:1877
  • From:Australia
  • Register:27/02/2004 11:21 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:22/02/2010 9:14 AMCopy HTML

Ha

Funnily enough, if you look up the word 'goose' on Urban dictionary you get the name 'Luke' in the example.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Goose%20Goose!&defid=3812663

Pretty dang funny :P
[LINK SiteName=Mothrust: Movies and Modern Myth Target=_blank]http://aintchristian.blogspot.com.au/[/LINK] Be nice, for everyone that you meet is fighting a harder battle - Anita Roddick
Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #217
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:23/02/2010 11:59 AMCopy HTML

Well, well,well.

Tony Barton (aka 'Luke735', et al), self-appointed pastor of HisWay Family Church, and author of a score or more anti-Ian Aimoo forae, just PM-ed the following:

Hi Ian Couldn't help yourself could you! Hmmm. In spite of your obvious (pride driven) opinion, Jesus is returning soon and the light of his coming will reveal all. Hope you are prepared for the dreaded statement "Depart from me you who work iniquity". That is what awaits if you do not repent today of your heresy.

BTW: Why are you so afraid to allow me to place your essays in context on "Please Re-Consider"? If I am so incapable of exposing you? Hmmmm

You are a con man and Jesus will reveal as much to your disciples in the light of his coming. Its just a shame that its too late to fix it then.

Goat!

I'm sure he means well, but I can always rely on this fellow to give just cause for a chuckle!

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Uncoolman Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #218
  • Rank:Poster Venti III
  • Score:10080
  • Posts:324
  • From:Unknown
  • Register:05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:23/02/2010 2:43 PMCopy HTML

Thanks for the little glimpse into the mind of madness Ian.

It is more than tempting to give the boy some more rope to see what else he comes up with, before he hangs himself with it, even moreso. But it's my opinion that entertaining him anymore will only feed his delusions and therefore be more damaging to himself. That there is one seared off heart, with an axe to grind who seems to take huge pleasure in making vendettas. A thoroughly unlikeable chap who needs to know it.

For his own sake, and for the sanity of anyone following the thread, Luke is permanently banned from the forum. I won't actually activate the forum's ban features against him, because I hope he rereads the thread and lets the penny drop. However, any further posts from the poor fool will be deleted.



Didaktikon Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #219
  • Rank:Forum Oracle
  • Score:62130
  • Posts:2958
  • From:Australia
  • Register:29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re:For 'Luke', an opportunity.

Date Posted:24/02/2010 2:44 AMCopy HTML

G'day, Progmodstigator.

I agree with you completely. However, I'd already banned the goose so there's little worry about him re-offending under (yet) another alias. Anyway, and although it may sound a bit weird, I'm thankful that he has all his little hate sites on Aimoo. They (1) provide a perfect and public object-lesson example of the insanity that is Revivalism, and its effects on the weak-minded. (2) They cause literally hours of enjoyment and mirth for well-read, thinking and spiritually discerning people. And (3) they constantly remind me of the fact that, "...there but for the grace of God (and some simple education, the capacity for reason, an objective outlook and a smattering of personality), go I."

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com
RCI prophesies
Copyright © 2000-2019 Aimoo Free Forum All rights reserved.