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Just change a few of the names and presto - you have the GRC...

Ex-cult members speak out over abuse


June 23, 2008 12:01am

Article from: AAP


FORMER cult members have spoken out to warn others of a Brisbane church they say is emotionally abusing its followers.

Former followers have told ABC's Four Corners program, to air tonight, the Brisbane Christian Fellowship, in the north Brisbane suburb of Stafford, was ripping apart families under a veil of secrecy.

They said elders, including leader Victor Hall, made all members' decisions and drove wedges between couples, siblings and parents and children to create fear and control followers.


Followers are banished if they disobey directions.


The church is linked to others worldwide, including the Melbourne Christian Fellowship, and has been operating under different names in Australian since the 1950s.

Former member Helen Pomery, who was expelled for refusing to shun her excommunicated daughter, said she had considered suicide during her time with the group and had to travel to a deprogramming centre in the USA after she left.

"I was very sick emotionally, mentally, and I was at the point of suicide and I knew if I didn't get help then I would probably suicide... but if anything that infuriated my husband and the elders even more that I should go outside of the home for help,'' she told Four Corners.


Ms
Pomery said the emotional abuse was dished out as a way to control people.

While she was disciplined for things such as cooking too much food or making the bed the wrong way, her husband had obeyed orders so that he was not responsible for his family's damnation, she said.


Former BCF group leader and electrician David Lowe, whose job was to provide counselling to members, said the congregation's secrets were immediately conveyed to elders.


He said he had spoken out as a way to reach his wife and three children who remain church members.

"They need to know from me as a husband and a father that I believe they're in a bad place,'' Mr Lowe said.

Ms Pomery said she and a handful of others had spoken to the program.

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Date Posted:23/06/2008 6:07 AMCopy HTML

Gotta watch that, seems all to familier though, and i must say never saw it to this extent in to many of the rcf places ( there where some) but not all, certainly sounds close to scotts group, canrt say re noel's but sounds similar. just goes to show we arnt the only ones being abused i guess.
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I'm familiar with this particular cult and used to visit it while trying out other churches as I was trying to leave RF. The Sunshine Coast Christian Fellowship or SCCF was up the road from our SCRF or Sunshine coast revival fellowship. It smelt and dealt just like the Revivalists but was sans tongues and the talks were even more boring, as was the music. The people had a veil of happiness but it looked skin deep.

The doctrine was even more (or perhaps equally) convoluted than Revivals. You pretty much had to be brought up in that church to understand their interpretations and way of life. I couldn't make head or tail of it, and their websites don't give any clues either. There's a sign that it's a cult. Secrets and hidden fellowhip guideline rules.

For a people who believe god didn't make them robots, they walk and talk just like they're programmed to. The youth group were even more naive than the average Revivalist youthy... life's gonna gobble those suckers right up.
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Date Posted:23/06/2008 11:06 AMCopy HTML

Wow, thanks for letting us know this was on tonight. Am watching it now and evern recognise some people I know. Dinner nights seemed to be their favourite recruiting tool, accompanied with orchestral music. Their tithing was a big deal for them. Their disfellowshipping rules are even crueller than RFs, but not by much... in fact, probably just as bad. They use PNG as their flagship... hmm...

Wow, their attitude to churches outside of their own network is exactly like Revivalists. The controlling aspects of abusive churches are all so similar.

One of the weirdest characteristics of this church is the push to have all the youth learn an instrument. Each 'Christian Fellowship' church had a full youth group orchestra and it was all home grown chorus crap.
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Holy shit how similar was that show to the revivalist crap!!  Even the leader had the same name as the moron leader in Townsville.  Vic..... the ...........  Unbelievable. Same hallmarks - money for the leaders and no account of its expenditure and would be have been game to ask!!!!! No no no - it`s for the lord`s work - you just trust.
 When is rci going to be exposed for the damage and control they have executed over people`s lives. We are the lucky ones- we got out. Those poor souls.. Makes me so angry.
Sure isnt far removed from Brisbane rci Townsville rci  Mackay rci. the list goes on. 
I agree with the interviewee these churches CULTS need to be exposed. 
if you can`t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I did and what a relief!!
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I watched this show last night - very similar to the revival groups and even more legalistic in some ways.

Maybe this will be the start of people speaking out against cults and cultish behaviour. 

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Absolutely BRILLANT Story !!! I have ordered in on DVD from The ABC...

I am keen to speak and gather ex GRCers and do simular
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Good on you NTL  - that`s a great idea to order on DVD. Might do the same.  And good on you wanting to get the GRCers together. Good luck.
if you can`t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I did and what a relief!!
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Date Posted:28/06/2008 11:28 AMCopy HTML

Anyone?? Come on guys this could be our 'worldly' calling.. To save others from so much hurt and pain..
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Good on you NTL  - that`s a great idea to order on DVD. Might do the same.  And good on you wanting to get the GRCers together. Good luck.


I'd be interested in getting a copy of that DVD... How would I go about it ??? What is it called or what Identifying features would I need to know. Is this ordered online ??


thanks

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http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20080623/bcf/default.htm

DOCUMENTS

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FURTHER READING & SUPPORT


LINKS


RELATED 4 CORNERS

    Separate Lives
    Life inside the secretive and puritanical Exclusive Brethren sect and the heart-rending price extracted from those who leave. First broadcast 25 September 2006. [Watch Online]


    The Brethren Express
    Quentin McDermott investigates the secret political campaigning by the elusive, Exclusive Brethren. First broadcast 12 October 2007. [Watch Online]

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Mothster,

Truly scary stuff but ... not exactly unique, is it? Anyway, I had a bit of a read of the counter-argument articles written by that David fellow and I've got to state: his heart's probably in the right place, but his 'scholarship' and theological insight just ain't up to par. My caution when reading his rather tendentious material: caveat emptor.

Blessings,

Ian
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Gotta watch that, seems all to familier though, and i must say never saw it to this extent in to many of the rcf places ( there where some) but not all, certainly sounds close to scotts group, canrt say re noel's but sounds similar. just goes to show we arnt the only ones being abused i guess.


hi earth-
one of noel's assemblies in malta has had alot of souls leave.
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MALTA !!!!!!###@@@$$%  Oh my, the cancer is spreading even further across the globe than I imagined.

Does anyone have a list of GRC affiliated Fellowships worldwide, so that we can see just how pervasive the rot has become??

Poor, poor people, searching for meaning and fulfillment and of course God and finding only Revival GRC style rubbish.

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                            " Does anyone have a list of GRC affiliated Fellowships worldwide, ... "


             There is a site here where all the 'known ' assemblies are listed and as to who was, and is, currently in charge.  I have tried to find in through the posts but ran out of time. Maybe some-one can help and tell me / us as to where it is . Then I or we can update it even further.

Cheers  ........
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I remember seeing the list before somewhere in the forum.  It listed 36 branches worldwide. Creepy..
Poor fellow human beings who come in contact with any of these 36 groups.
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I remember seeing the list before somewhere in the forum.  It listed 36 branches worldwide. Creepy..
Poor fellow human beings who come in contact with any of these 36 groups.


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             I cannot remember under 'what name ' or Topic it was under . I get the  feeling it has been removed in the new 're-vamped ' - ' updated '  Aimoo Site. Can anyone  help ?
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Hi, the list is in the thread GRC Associated Churches.
It is about two threads down now, under David Erwin's Testimony thread.
I found it and put a post in it to bump it to the front again.
It isn't very current, maybe someone can bring it up to date.
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I heard that one of Bob Addison's son's,are taking care of busness down in Malta.

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You can almost cross LA off the list.  That assembly is just about kaput!!!!!!!!

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You can almost cross LA off the list.  That assembly is just about kaput!!!!!!!!


How many people are left?
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 So I hear, it is only Heis left there on his own. He killed them all off the same way that Warren killed off Tarawa and is working at killing off Canberra. Just a matter of time before these rogues get their lot.
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 So I hear, it is only Heis left there on his own. He killed them all off the same way that Warren killed off Tarawa and is working at killing off Canberra. Just a matter of time before these rogues get their lot.
One only has to remember back to Paul Heis's assembly in Hamilton, Victoria. He ended up being there on his own and had to throw the towel in and return to Geelong, any wonder it hasnt worked out in LA, a leopard doesnt change spots!


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 That's right, I forgot about Hamilton.
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