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Date Posted:26/07/2011 12:27 PMCopy HTML

Hello,Is there nobody out there who can give us a meaningful update on the supposed court proceedings against ASW?I must admit this makes me really frustrated. I cannot find anything on the internet referring to this court case and its progress (or not as the case may be). In the UK, court cases are freely reported and the public can also visit them. It is only in very rare circumstances that there is a total media blackout. As Australian law must have been based on UK law at some time, it seems astonishing that this court case, or the scheduling of it is not reported somewhere.There are many ex emembers of CAI around the wrold. I'm sure they are like me in finding that this is the only resource where they can find out any information about CAI and the court case. I do not have contact with any ex members in Coffs Harbour as this is impossible for me being on the other side of the globe.So, please please please, can someone in the know give us an indication of - 1) Is this court case real?2) When did it start?3) Is it happening in Coffs Harbour or elsewhere?4) Has it yet ended?5) When is it likely to end?6) Has ASW played his ill-health card again to get out of it?Many thanks. It is much appreciated.
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Date Posted:27/07/2011 11:24 PMCopy HTML

Everything according to CAI is such a farse. ASW is guilty of so many crimes, and there has not been a court yet. Like Pinochet in Chile ASW says he is to ill for a court. But he can still manipulate all the members in CAI, as well. There is no justice at all here. CAI has whored with the world, and there hasn´t really been a real court-case yet. The world is upside down. It´s horrible! I bet ASW not even feel ashamed over what he has done to so many people. He will never make any excuses or he will never says he is guilty, I think. He is to guilty, so he can´t even say that he is guilty. What evil has the world done for seeing all this.
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Date Posted:28/07/2011 1:27 AMCopy HTML

This is all I can find. It at least gives us an indication that some thing is happening.

http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search
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Date Posted:28/07/2011 1:36 AMCopy HTML

Sorry should have added   Case number 200900057009

Date of next listing for Anthony Scott Williams is 10th August at 9am.

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Date Posted:29/07/2011 11:44 PMCopy HTML




this is a screen shot of the above mentioned page http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search.

So - 10. August. Go there, Coffs People and watch the fat fudge packer sweating. And post a report, quick! quick!
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Date Posted:30/07/2011 8:03 PMCopy HTML

I hope ASW and all the other guilty CAI-bastards will burn in hell, for what they have done to totally innocent people.
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Date Posted:31/07/2011 12:06 AMCopy HTML

Guest,

I hope ASW and all the other guilty CAI-bastards will burn in hell, for what they have done to totally innocent people. Personally I'm grateful that God doesn't follow the principle of lex talionis with us, given who we've wronged. Consequently, I don't think we have much right to be hoping that he'll apply it to those who've wronged us. In his prayer Jesus taught us to 'forgive us our sins as we forgive those who've sinned against us', clearly implying that the former won't happen unless the latter first takes place.

Something to ponder.

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Date Posted:31/07/2011 1:26 AMCopy HTML

I love the way Ian uses certain word phrases to express his comments. Causes me to look up scripture.

 

‘lex talionis’ was unknown to me until it came up at the court house while I was sitting in as an observer (just a hobby of mine) a couple of days ago.

   

Jesus and the law of retaliation: Mat 5:38-42; Ex 21:23-25; Lev 24:20.

 

Christ objected to an extremist use of this judicial principle to excuse private vengeance. (NIVSB)

I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Date Posted:01/08/2011 2:23 AMCopy HTML

How do you go to the district court in Sydney? The matter is horrible, but I really rejoice about this court-case. Maybe some kind of justice can be made, after a long time.
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Date Posted:01/08/2011 7:25 AMCopy HTML

 Catch a taxi at the Sydney International !!
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Date Posted:02/08/2011 7:46 AMCopy HTML

 I believe one reason they would move the case away from Coffs Harbour is the fact that most people in the area in and around Coffs have heard about CAI and/or the case in one way or another. There has been media coverage and, it's a small town, people talk. So to make sure that proceedings are up to scratch and the case dealt with appropriately, sometimes the courts move cases like this out of the area.

In a way, I like that idea. ASW won't know who to suck up to and play his pity-me-game on. Here's to a speedy and fair trial.

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Date Posted:04/08/2011 8:00 AMCopy HTML

CAI is finished. Is ASW still alive? How long will the court-case take?
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Date Posted:04/08/2011 8:43 PMCopy HTML

Nobody will miss the sexual predator(s) in CAI. Hope to get rid of them for good.

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Date Posted:06/08/2011 11:57 AMCopy HTML

Ian is an interesting character. So full of knowledge in so many ways.
Forgive, by all means, those who have wronged you. That's easy to say.
But if the manner in which you have been wronged is so wrong, disgusting, perverted, disgraceful and low it makes it so much harder.
ASW very possibly will burn in hell, but not because anyone wishes it so.
He isn't a shepherd. He isn't a pastor. He isn't a leader. He never was any of those.
He is a sexual predator and a thief.
It gets them every time.
Money and sex. Sex and money.
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"Ian is an interesting character. So full of knowledge in so many ways.
Forgive, by all means, those who have wronged you. That's easy to say.
But if the manner in which you have been wronged is so wrong, disgusting, perverted, disgraceful and low it makes it so much harder.
ASW very possibly will burn in hell, but not because anyone wishes it so.
He isn't a shepherd. He isn't a pastor. He isn't a leader. He never was any of those.
He is a sexual predator and a thief.
It gets them every time.
Money and sex. Sex and money."

Well written, but don´t forget the most powerful desire from Scott Williams, to has power over so many lost souls. Scott Williams has dragged them there, because he wanted to do so. Speak of satanic bounds over people!
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Date Posted:07/08/2011 12:15 AMCopy HTML

It´s game over for Williams. Let all this take as smooth finish now as it can be.
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Date Posted:07/08/2011 12:50 AMCopy HTML

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"Ian is an interesting character. "


Indeed so.

This is much in unanimity ... ... ... 

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Date Posted:07/08/2011 4:24 AMCopy HTML

Guest,

Forgive, by all means, those who have wronged you. That's easy to say. But if the manner in which you have been wronged is so wrong, disgusting, perverted, disgraceful and low it makes it so much harder. Sure. But the relative degree of difficulty doesn't remove the obligation to forgive.

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Date Posted:08/08/2011 4:48 PMCopy HTML

When all the money is paid back, from CAI, and all the abusive manners from CAI´s side are done right again. When justice is made, when the leaders in CAI have been guilty in court. Then I maybe forgive them if I can. Because they have done som much very evil things, so forgive is very hard to do. It´s so easy to sit outside all this mess and judge, from their own belief and teachings. But have been in this hell from CAI´s side for so many years now, noone can really tell one to do or not.
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Date Posted:08/08/2011 9:37 PMCopy HTML

No, I am so sorry, but I can´t forgive the CAI-leaders, they have already damaged so much things. It´s a catastrophe. I hope they will burn in hell, as they will in some way even if hell doesn´t exists, they belong there anyway. Now I will take care of my own life instead. But I hate the CAI-leaders. Hope not to see them anymore.
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Date Posted:08/08/2011 10:27 PMCopy HTML

Ok, I forgive the CAI-leaders. But I hope they will do no harm anymore.
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Date Posted:09/08/2011 1:42 AMCopy HTML

Guest,

When all the money is paid back, from CAI, and all the abusive manners from CAI´s side are done right again. When justice is made, when the leaders in CAI have been guilty in court. Then I maybe forgive them if I can. Because they have done som much very evil things, so forgive is very hard to do. It´s so easy to sit outside all this mess and judge, from their own belief and teachings. But have been in this hell from CAI´s side for so many years now, noone can really tell one to do or not. Jesus can, and his requirement is perfectly clear: we are to forgive.

No, I am so sorry, but I can´t forgive the CAI-leaders, they have already damaged so much things. It´s a catastrophe. I'm sorry too. In refusing to forgive their sins, you bring yourself under God's condemnation for your own. I hope they will burn in hell, as they will in some way even if hell doesn´t exists, they belong there anyway. And you don't? Now I will take care of my own life instead. But I hate the CAI-leaders. Hope not to see them anymore.  

I'm sorry, but the biblical mandate for us to forgive those who've wronged us isn't conditional on anything that they might do. It is, quite simply, God's command to us (and not a suggestion).

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Date Posted:09/08/2011 10:16 PMCopy HTML

No, Ian, I don´t belong in hell, but other people who had abused belong in hell. CAI and Scott Williams with their hate-propaganda all the time, for instance.
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Date Posted:09/08/2011 10:38 PMCopy HTML

No, I am so sorry, but I can´t forgive the CAI-leaders, they have already damaged so much things. It´s a catastrophe. I'm sorry too. In refusing to forgive their sins, you bring yourself under God's condemnation for your own. I hope they will burn in hell, as they will in some way even if hell doesn´t exists, they belong there anyway. And you don't?

Ian, what are your experiences from such hate-groups like CAI?

It´s so easy to judge others, when you don´t have any real experiences of such difficulties from such groups like CAI yourself. I forgive the CAI-leaders, but I hate their sins. The CAI-leaders have destroyed people for the rest of their lives, probably. Can you really forgive that so easy? The CAI-leaders have only spread fear in so many people for som many years, for decades. The punishment over them must be severe. Otherwise there is no justice at all in this world!
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Date Posted:09/08/2011 10:53 PMCopy HTML

Don´t shot the messenger! Judge fair and see the sins of the guilty instead.
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Date Posted:09/08/2011 10:57 PMCopy HTML

CAI = terror and torture. Hope to see the guilty one´s in jail.
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Date Posted:10/08/2011 12:42 AMCopy HTML

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No, Ian, I don´t belong in hell, but other people who had abused belong in hell. According to Scripture any person who has ever sinned 'belongs' in hell. That Christians are spared this end is due solely to the FACT of God's G-R-A-C-E, which has its genesis in his act of F-O-R-G-I-V-E-N-E-S-S extended towards us. And as I pointed out in an earlier post, Jesus taught us to pray that we would be forgiven for our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us. One can't enjoy the latter without first enduring the former.

Ian, what are your experiences from such hate-groups like CAI? Quite possibly more broadly informed than your own. I've spent the better part of two decades helping people to leave Revivalist groups, including the CAI. Starting around 10 years ago I became active in the process of public exposure that eventually resulted in ASW's 'fall from favour'.

It´s so easy to judge others, when you don´t have any real experiences of such difficulties from such groups like CAI yourself. First, you've mistakenly assumed that I haven't any personal experience of such groups. Second, and more importantly, you've failed to reflect on the fact that such personal experience is completely irrelevant to the topic under discussion. What I've presented on the primacy of forgiveness in this thread is nothing less than the biblical teaching on the subject. I forgive the CAI-leaders, but I hate their sins. I'm glad to hear it. The CAI-leaders have destroyed people for the rest of their lives, probably. Can you really forgive that so easy? Forgiveness is never easy, but always necessary. Jesus forgave you for sending him to the cross. What right, then, do you have to withhold forgiveness from those who've wronged you after a far lesser fashion? The CAI-leaders have only spread fear in so many people for som many years, for decades. Indeed. The punishment over them must be severe. Otherwise there is no justice at all in this world! 'Vengence is mine, says the Lord; I will repay' (see Romans 12). The meting out of punishment isn't your prerogative, and neither is it yours to determine what is, or isn't 'justice'; and when, where or how such will be dispensed.

You aren't God, friend.

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If God exists. I must say that my experiences of CAI have made me become an atheist. I had a very strong belief before.
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Guest,

If God exists. Such has certainly been my working premise. I must say that my experiences of CAI have made me become an atheist. I had a very strong belief before. Okay. But if your time in the CAI has 'made' you become an atheist, than I can only surmise that your previous 'very strong belief' must have been in someone, or something, other than the God of the Bible. I'm reminded of what Paul had to share in Romans 8:35-39.

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Date Posted:10/08/2011 7:54 AMCopy HTML

Thanks Ian! I really appreciate your spirit.

Can someone also write a little from the trial, started today Wednesday?
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Date Posted:12/08/2011 9:24 AMCopy HTML

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Thanks Ian! I really appreciate your spirit.

Can someone also write a little from the trial, started today Wednesday?


I have the same Question:  any news or has nobody been there???

The only information I has is that the next round is on Augst 24th.

greetings Hydra_777

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 I don't think anybody's been there but, heck, I'd give quite a bit to actually find out what's going on right now.


~JP
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No piece of news? Strange! Come on, let write something new.
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Date Posted:23/08/2011 12:51 PMCopy HTML

It seems tomorrow is the day. Who knows though, we could still be waiting months to find out any news. It will seem like the blink of an eye when he's sitting in Grafton gaol whistling dixie to the ten foot sex starved tranny in the cell next to him. Who knows I might drop in a jar or corn relish just to make his day:D
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Write to the newspapers so they cover up this trial. Hope to see it in the newspapers tomorrow.
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Date Posted:24/08/2011 5:03 PMCopy HTML

What did Williams get? Only 15 years in prison, or lifetime?
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 Quite honestly, if you want to know anything, you will need to contact the authorities and see for yourself what you can get out of them. People directly involved such as victims and witnesses cannot talk about it and certainly won't post news on this forum until the hearings are closed as there is a danger that it will interfere with the case and also because there are CAI members monitoring this forum.

Good luck.

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I hope Williams will sit in jail for at least 15-20 years. Then he is to old so he can´t abuse so much more. The other evil bullying CAI-whores can go to hell! And take Williams with you. As*holes.
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 I so love the air of forgiveness in this forum. Such a breath of fresh air when compared to the tyranny of Adolf. 
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Forgiveness is the remission of sins. For it is by this that what has been lost, and was found, is saved from being lost again.
St Augustine
I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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who cares bout what Augustine had to say ? 

Forgiveness is the remission of sins. For it is by this that what has been lost, and was found, is saved from being lost again.
St Augustine

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It´s not se easy to forgive ASW and CAI, when the only thing they wanted to do were to crack you and break you down for over a decade. Now, when they have to stand for their sins, I don´t fell sorry for them at all. They have to take it and to take responsibility for what they only have done.
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who cares bout what Augustine had to say ? 

and likewise; who cares what you have to say !

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It´s not se easy to forgive ASW and CAI, when the only thing they wanted to do were to crack you and break you down for over a decade. Now, when they have to stand for their sins, I don´t fell sorry for them at all. They have to take it and to take responsibility for what they only have done. 


Try forgiving yourself for getting involved in the first place.
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 Hi guys,
what Ian wrote is right: the demand to forgive is unconditional - else you yourself are in danger of God not forgiving you, as the bible says.

I myself was in the CAI for more than a decade and this group ruined much of my life - however, in such a situation it is the more important to trust in God and give all hatred and bitterness over to him - he can deal with it.

I forgive Scott and all the others who wronged me, knowing that I wronged athers also and hope they forgive me.

Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents.

Didn't Jesus say to rather pray for those who wronged us? DO you pray that God leads Scott to repentance?

Just a few thoughts...
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 Hi guys,
what Ian wrote is right: the demand to forgive is unconditional - else you yourself are in danger of God not forgiving you, as the bible says.

I myself was in the CAI for more than a decade and this group ruined much of my life - however, in such a situation it is the more important to trust in God and give all hatred and bitterness over to him - he can deal with it.

I forgive Scott and all the others who wronged me, knowing that I wronged athers also and hope they forgive me.

Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents.

Didn't Jesus say to rather pray for those who wronged us? DO you pray that God leads Scott to repentance?

Just a few thoughts...

Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents.

How do you know that his god did not forgive him? Do you know the mind of his god? Didn't think so.
It's sooooo easy to cast other down telling us what god has done or not done when it concerns others.
I might believe that Noel's god has forgiving him for all that (I,YOU) believe that he has done wrong. But I don't think there is an ...I know what god has or has not done... APP for you phone. Or is there one there are soooooo many apps.


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Scott is not a Christian, CAI is not a Christian church. They believe in violence towards single people.
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 Hi guys,
what Ian wrote is right: the demand to forgive is unconditional - else you yourself are in danger of God not forgiving you, as the bible says.

I myself was in the CAI for more than a decade and this group ruined much of my life - however, in such a situation it is the more important to trust in God and give all hatred and bitterness over to him - he can deal with it.

I forgive Scott and all the others who wronged me, knowing that I wronged athers also and hope they forgive me.

Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents.

Didn't Jesus say to rather pray for those who wronged us? DO you pray that God leads Scott to repentance?

Just a few thoughts...


ASW can go to hell, I'd be more than happy to put a bullet through him. I dont believe in god or the sanctity of life so it wouldnt phase me to remove this scum from our earth.
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Good morning, Guest.

ASW can go to hell, I'd be more than happy to put a bullet through him. I dont believe in god or the sanctity of life so it wouldnt phase me to remove this scum from our earth. First, if you don't believe in God on what basis would you consign Williams to hell? Second, if there is no God, then there is also no hope for justice. Consequently, you've no grounds whatsoever for railing against Williams, who would be only acting according to his nature (no God = life 'red in tooth and claw' as Darwin put things). Finally, the only reason that human life has instrinsic value is because God ascribes it such. No God = no value to your life or mine, which makes Williams' use of such as naught but a commodity for his personal benefit, perfectly reasonable.

Ultimately, when you take God out of the equation you lose all objective grounds for complaint about your treatment at the hands of ASW. He wins, you lose.

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this is a screen shot of the above mentioned page http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search.

So - 10. August. Go there, Coffs People and watch the fat fudge packer sweating. And post a report, quick! quick!


Any idea why the above indicates that the court is sitting in Sydney?  Is this the correct court case?

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What did Williams get? Only 15 years in prison, or lifetime?

Wishful thinking indeed...
What is he being charged with? A few forced blow jobs and hand jobs? Most of with boys who were over the age of consent, and who stayed around and milked it afterwards.

He will probably get probation or suspended sentence with a very large fine and have to pay some form of damages, a very large sum I would imagine that would force the selling of some of their properties.

As for sitting in a prison for any length of time I do not think that serves the public interest in any way. He is pretty past it now from what I heard, he can hardly stand on his own and has no proper memory now. Really ready to die. Some of the doctors that examine him have said that he is not fit enough to stand trial. The prosecution keep looking for a doctor who says he is fit enough but they are having a problem finding one.

The fact that he has had to hand over the main running of the church to some germans is probably punishment enough for him and the rest of the people in the church.
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