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Lisa: All through history self-anointed seers have predicted the end of the world and they've always been wrong.

Homer: But sweetheart I have something they didn't have. A good feeling about this!

I happened upon this news story last week and thought it was in line with the thoughts on this thread so far.

I'm not running with the global warming doomsdayers 'end is night; take on this. Al Gore is just another spin doctor in my opinion. Michael Moore showed us that any oaf can string together a bunch of facts into a nice spin to sell movie tickets. Go to any church and they'll show you how nicely stuff can be spliced together to make the end of the world seem like an immentant event. I'm not buying into the whole 'The end is nigh' scheme again. I agree with Ian Plimer (in the following news story) when he says that we're naive to think we can influence climate change. We modern humans think the world revolve around our existence.

Sure, digging up coal and oil and burning it into the atmosphere probably isn't the best thing for it, but I personally don't think we should be running around and stocking up our cupboards with cans as if it were the Y2K bug again. Fossil fuel is unrenewable and perhaps we need to fear 'hell' to keep us in line and conserving it. 


Top scientist debunks global warming
By Simon Kirby
April 11, 2007

MANKIND is naive to think it can influence climate change, according to a prize-winning Australian geologist. Solar activity is a greater driver of climate change than man-made carbon dioxide, argues Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide and winner of several notable science prizes.

"When meteorologists can change the weather then we can start to think about humans changing climate," Prof Plimer said.

"I think we really are a little bit naive to think we can change astronomical and solar processes." Prof Plimer said he had researched the history of the sun, solar and supernovae activity and had been able to correlate global climates with solar activity. "But correlations don't mean anything, you really need a causation," Prof Plimer said.

So he then examined how cosmic radiation builds up clouds. A very active sun blows away the cosmic radiation, while a less active sun allows radiation to build up, he said. "So you can very much tie in temperature, cloud formation, cosmic radiation and the sun," he said.

The next part of Prof Plimer's research was to examine the sources of carbon dioxide. He said he found that about 0.1 per cent of the atmospheric carbon dioxide was due to human activity and much of the rest due to little-understood geological phenomena.

Prof Plimer also argued El Nino and La Nina were caused by major processes of earthquake activity and volcanic activity in the mid-ocean ridges, rather than any increase in greenhouse gases. Nor does the melting of polar ice have anything to do with man-made carbon dioxide, he said. "Great icebergs come off, not due to temperature change but due to the physics of ice and the flow of ice," Prof Plimer said.

"There's a lag, so that if temperature rises, carbon dioxide rises 800 years later. "If ice falls into the ocean in icebergs that's due to processes thousands of years ago." On the same basis, changes to sea level and temperature are also unrelated to anything happening today, he said. "It is extraordinarily difficult to argue that human-induced carbon dioxide has any effect at all," he said.

Prof Plimer added that as the planet was already at the maximum absorbance of energy of carbon dioxide, any more would have no greater effect. There had even been periods in history with hundreds of times more atmospheric carbon dioxide than now with "no problem", he said.

The professor, a member of the Australian Skeptics, an organisation devoted to debunking pseudo-scientific claims, denied his was a minority view.

"You'd be very hard pushed to find a geologist that would differ from my view," he said. He said bad news was more fashionable now than good and that people had an innate tendency to want to be a little frightened.

But Prof Plimer conceded the politics of greenhouse gas emissions meant that attention was being given to energy efficiency, which he supported. The professor, who is writing a book on the subject, said he only used validated scientific data, published in reputable peer-reviewed refereed journals, as the basis of his theories.

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Reply to : mailboyLisa:All through history self-anointed seers have predicted the end of the world and they've always been wrong.Homer:But sweetheart I have something they didn't have. A good feeling about this!I happened upon this news story last week and thought it was in line with the thoughts on this thread so far.I'm not running with the global warming doomsdayers'end is night; takeon this.Al Gore is just another spin doctor in my opinion. Michael Moore showed us that any oaf can string together a bunch of facts into a nice spin to sell m

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Yea, and meanwhile the politicians have a nice red herring to focus our attention on, raise extra taxes etc.while the world suffers from their incompetance  in other ways , and they get fatter by the day. Take our minds off Iraq, and Afghanistan, and third world poverty

I'm in Mid kent, in what used to be the "Garden of  England " We've had water restrictions  for the last two summers, not enough rain to fill the resevoirs ,this winter has been unusualy dry, so it looks like the hosepipe ban will be back  on before long

I remember 1976, back in my bricklaying days, 6 solid weeks of cycling to work in just shorts, until I looked like a red indian. We would be constantly doused from above when some bright spark would empty a bucket of  cold water over our bent and sweaty backs. The shock took your breath away, but in 10 min. you were dry again. It was a great novelty here where  summer is always a mixture of rainy and sunny days.and you have to be prepared for both  if you work outside.  A mate of mine, back from a spell in Oz told us of how he was working away , head down , arse up, as we say, when a few drops of rain fell, and suddenly he was the only one left on the scaffold. He was told in no uncertain terms " we dont work in the rain here mate." But this is'nt rain ",my mate said, Pointing to a distant cloud on the horizon, the guy said  " no but it's on the way ".And they all took cover until the sky was clear again.    Maybe he exagerated ? Maybe they had more sense than us, I'm feeling all those wet days, working in the rain, in every joint now.   

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Reply to : old holbornReply to explodWear a scarf? Keep warm ? It's been 24 deg. here today, Had to dig out my shorts and leave off my longjohns. Just in from the garden where I've been soaking up the sunshine. That old global warming is kicking in, after one of the mildest winters on record, Spring is also in the record books, and nature is being fooled, wildlifecoming out of hibernation too soon and cant find enough food, and summer flowers and shrubs a good month in advanceWe strolled along to Church this a.m in shirtsleeve order, admiring all the early blooms, and were able to leave the Church doors open, so the word and praise drifted out into the community, whereSounds like the sort of weather that makes you want to put on your Bombay Bloomers, stand on a chair in the

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Hi Tarquin, where ya been,

Dunno about standing on a   chair, a friend was doing that recently, hanging some curtains, when the chair toppled over and she landed on top of it cracking 3 ribs  Very painful.  Not reccomended by the elf n safety tzars, who now are all powerful. It's a wonder she did'nt get arrested and banged up. Prob. would have been but the prisons here a full of people who have left their bins out on the wrong day, or put the wrong waste in. Had a good session on the old mouth organ when Joe paid us a visit recently bringing his guitar.. Like old times, but no rev, choruses. He 's built up a repertoire of Irish jigs, real foot tapping stuff, and I was able to provide an accompianment. Comb and paper  indeed!   I play a musical instrument I'll have you know, and there arent many of us left.!

Mind you I havent got the puff I once had, too much Old Holborn LOL

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Reply to : MothandRustReply to : mailboyLisa:All through history self-anointed seers have predicted the end of the world and they've always been wrong.Homer:But sweetheart I have something they didn't have. A good feeling about this!I happened upon this news story last week and thought it was in line with the thoughts on this thread so far.I'm not running with the global warming doomsdayers'end is night; takeon this.Al Gore is just another spin doctor in my opinion. Michael Moore showed us that any oaf can string together a bunch of facts into a nice spin to sell mYea, and meanwhile the politicians have a nice red herring to focus our attention on, raise extra taxes etc.while the world suffers from their incompetance in other ways , and they get fatter by the day

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god forbid they acctualy deal with the real environmental issues we have here-

over farming (causing errosion and salinity)

pollution of our waterways

water shortage (we need somethin better than water restrictions, esp since residential water usage is about 8% of water usage here the rest is industrial, also there is no limits on use of bore water)

insted they want to focus on global warming, a controversial theory where most of the money backing Al Gore is from the neuclear industry- and what is the conclusion?? we should invest in "safe clean neuclear energy" Chenobyl anyone?? do we realy want neuclear reactors here? and what about the waste products?

 

 

Nothing particular to say just wanted to see how it felt to have my avatar and a comment here.

General chit chat topic. I am missing a few of you regulars.

What happening out there in Church land plenty of stuff unfolding in RF (what's in a name anyway?)------ watch this space.

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Reply to : franks ghostHi, Frank.What happening out there in Church land plenty of stuff unfolding in RF (what's in a name anyway?)------ watch this space.Let me guess?AnotherRevivalist schism is in the offing? Is it possible that we'll soon seeanotherRevivalist denomination spring into the world, preaching thesameRevivalist message, but havingnothingto do with the other members of the expanding Revivalist family?Said tongue-in-cheek, by the wayBlessings,Ian

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Ah how refreshing a voice of reason.

Well lets hope not Sott. I'd love to move with God. Oh a song "Move Move Move Oh move with God. "

Boy haven't sung that in Decades (maye a decade).

Sott, how about active relevant members of the diverse Body Of Christ.!!!!!

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Sott, how about active relevant members of the diverse Body Of Christ.!!!!!

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Can I butt in and ask what you're getting at?  

Feel free to tell me to butt out!

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Reply to : franks ghostSott, how about active relevant members of the diverse Body Of Christ.!!!!!Can I butt in and ask what you're getting at?Feel free to tell me to butt out!

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Reply to : RF_on_the_edgeReply to : franks ghostSott, how about active relevant members of the diverse Body Of Christ.!!!!!Can I butt in and ask what you're getting at?Feel free to tell me to butt out!If he means active relevent members of the true body of Christ, without heretical elitism and controling cultism of the RF orgs.that would be good news indeed, and I for one would say Hallelujha, praise the Lord. But I'm not holding my breath watching this space.

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Hi friend, I too am looking for the best possible outcome, one where God may be glorified.

I covet your prayers. I looked at your emoticon and pictured a group of guys in a garden a couple of thousand years ago.

ps my first response to your post went to cyberspace I don't know wether that was good or bad.

I reckon if a 3rd part of heaven has been cast into the earth and satan is the 'prince of the power of the air' I dare say anything can happen when your post may enighten, liberate, teach.

Hence the author of confusion would just love to see the sloppy comunication, misunderstanding and offence from wrong choice or turn of phrase. I especially apply that comment to myself.

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 reckon if a 3rd part of heaven has been cast into the earth and satan is the 'prince of the power of the air' I dare say anything can happen when your post may enighten, liberate, teach.

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Where does it say a third part of heaven was cast to the earth? Is that a scriptural cetainty?

Do you think 33.3 percent of the inhabitants of heaven were hurled down to Earth from a celestial location?

I'm curious.

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Reply to : MothandRustReply to : franks ghostreckon if a 3rd part of heaven has been cast into the earth and satan is the 'prince of the power of the air' I dare say anything can happen when your post may enighten, liberate, teach.Where does it say a third part of heaven was cast to the earth? Is that a scriptural cetainty?Do you think 33.3 percent of the inhabitants of heaven were hurled down to Earth from a celestial location?I'm curious.Just had a quick read in this web site to start. A version of what the third heaven is.http://www.cresourcei.org/thirdheaven.html

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MANKIND is naive to think it can influence climate change, according to a prize-winning Australian geologist. Solar activity is a greater driver of climate change than man-made carbon dioxide, argues Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide and winner of several notable science prizes.

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Oh no ... something I agree about with Ian Plimer. (As you might guess, I'm not a fan of the way he - at least sometimes - presents the argument for the materialist origin of the earth. Come to think of it some of his fellows have been quoted on the 'net that it has - at least sometimes - been caught out presenting "facts" that just ain't so. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/how-not-to-argue.html)

Do you know what peer-reviewed article "his research" is quoted from?

Personally, I find it quite interesting that people forget that in historic times Greenland was warmer than it is now.

It seems to me that many Western people, including teachers, can evaluate information reasonably well if they put their minds to it, but few have the wisdom to ask, "What else am I not being told?"

http://www.holloworbs.com/Greenland_vikings.htm reports (in part) -

Nevertheless, it likely follows that prior to this time - the " Viking Age " between 800 and 1100 CE especially - that a warmer climate prevailed along at least the eastern approaches to the Northwest Passage if not its entirety. Indeed, as Charles W. Moore notes ( Did 14th Century Scandinavian Explorers Visit Midwestern North America? ):

For the first century or so of their Greenland colonization, the Vikings and their descendants enjoyed a reasonably prosperous and pleasant life there. Greenland's climate c. 1000 A.D. was in an extraordinarily warm phase, and the name Eric chose for his new land may not have been quite the real-estate promoter's con-job as has been assumed. Even 350 years later, after a general global cooling had altered Greenland's climate for the worse, Ivar Bardson wrote that " On the mountains and lower down grow the best of fruits, as big as apples and good to eat. There also grows the best wheat that exists." Life in Greenland was hardly the rough outpost existence we might expect....

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http://www.holloworbs.com/Greenland_vikings.htm 

Just realised this article is from a "hollow earth" site. D'oh!!!

Try this site for the same info: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/9318/knutson.html

Of course the global warming experts now say that the Medieval Warm Period was local rather than hemispheric, so I wouldn't expect anyone to take my ramblings as authoritative

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I haven't been able to find the scriptures about Satan and the one third of his angels that fell with him, I know it is there somewhere and I don't think there is much reference to it in the bible.

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I know where it is, I know where it is. It's certainly not worded like you say ... and I've got it all unpacked in another thread here on the forum somewhere. but it's not as black and white as you may think. Mythology needs to be sorted from biblology?... It needs to be cross referenced with Exekial to get a good look at it.

I'm baiting you... but gotta have something to look forward to eh?

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"call every man a liar, but let God be true"

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What is a lie? If you honestly believed your car was going to blow up would you be lying to your family if you screamed at them to get out? What if you honestly believed that swimming less than an hour after eating would cause you to drown? I could think of better analogies.. but you get the point. Would you be lying? No, you'd just be doing the best you can do with the information you have available and are able to process.

All men aren't liers, they just haven't worked everything out, and never will. We do the best with what we got and I never felt like I was lying when I promoted the tongues gospel. Sure, i was uneducated and narrow-minded. Willfuly and happily ignorant of following the ideas or beliefs of others.

For God to be true you have to follow the teaching and idealogies of 'man'... that is unless you work it out yourself, not with the destination in mind, but keeping your feet on the road to it.

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Don't get me wrong, I am not a quitter. Sott1's message is the shiniest and the one that is making the most sense to me so far, lot's of study yet. Thankyou again.

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Yes, I'd be going down the same road if I was to get all Christian again.

Okay... quizmasters. You beat me fair and square... and I did so badly in the following test that I'm not even going to tell you my result:

Tricky Bible Quiz

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A typical day in my office...END

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Reply to : MothandRustA typical day in my office...ENDi feel for your wife and kids..... no-one should have to witness their dad peeing in a hose.... lol

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I just had to pass this on, the principle of Bible numerics applied to a typical Rev gee-up talk. we've all heard , maybe tithing, or attendance.......

" What makes100&%?  What does it mean to give more than 100%? Ever wonder about those who say they are giving more than 100%?  We've all been to those meetingswhere someone wants you to give over 100%, how about achieving 103%. What makes up 100% in life ?

Heres a little mathmatical formula that might help you to answer these questions.

If the alphabet is represented numericaly, A= 1, B=2 etc then:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K   is  8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%  and:

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E is 11+14+15+23+12+5+4+5 = 96%  but:

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E is 1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5  = 100%  and

B-U-L-L--S-H-I-T is 2+21+12+12+11+9+9+20 = 103% While:

A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G is 1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that while Hardwork and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there,it's the Bullshit and Asskissing will get you over the top.

REMEMBER< SOME PEOPLE ARE ALIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE   IT'S ILLEGAL TO SHOOT THEM.

Love it Old H, gave me a good wee giggle

earth5

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Just did the tricky Bible quiz and realized that the "Gospels" contain hearsay which inevitably leads to inconsistent accounts eg: how could the disciples give an account of the crucification when they weren't there; also Mary Magdalene would have told the disciples about the empty tomb to mention just a couple of issues I have with the Gospels; I think I have become more skeptical about Biblical matters having read the Da Vinci Code.

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Cool, I was waiting for someone to try the 'tricky' Bible Quiz. I got zero for that one too.

Hi Revhead.

I'm not sure the Da Vinci Code counts as a credible counter argument for the Bible (well, we all know that), but yeah I like that it suggests that it Ain't necessarily so.